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[Hawktawk]

In our last 5 postseason losses we have never led in the second half of 4 of them, in 3 we never led . Couple that with a team like Green Bay that at least gets to the conference championship quite often . So our success has been a tier below .

I do feel as though the problems with Russ and the organization were affecting the product on the field and that’s the variable not many of you seen to consider. When I see DK in camp , when I hear Tyler say “ I’m excited for a fresh start , I think we’re going to have a great year , I really do . “ it’s affirmation these boys plan to shock the world . Just read an analysis by Joe Trotter from NFL network. He projects Locke as the starter , says with the offense they are building he doesn’t need to be Wilson and he thinks the playoffs are entirely possible for the team .

So I’m not alone

[RiverDog]

Nevertheless, I'm not satisfied until we're standing on a podium hoisting the Lombardi, and quite frankly, anyone that accepts less or settles for 2nd best has a loser mentality.

Well ..."loser mentality" over something that is pure entertainment? I'm beginning to see you in a different light...sadly so.

It's a figure of speech, not meant to be taken literally.

And I'd argue that the sport is just a little bit more than pure entertainment. It's become a cultural representation of the country. I had emigrants working for me that didn't know the first thing about football that would go buy Seahawks jerseys for the sole purpose of having it to wear on Fridays just so they could be part of the group as it made them feel like Americans.

[tarlhawk]

Agreed...not just entertainment... I just need a self-reminder to not be tempted to "get personal" when I invest a little of my time formulating an opinion. Certain branding of entertainment encourages emotional involvement when identifying the "rush/inspiration" it sometimes offers.

[Aseahawkfan]

In our last 5 postseason losses we have never led in the second half of 4 of them, in 3 we never led . Couple that with a team like Green Bay that at least gets to the conference championship quite often . So our success has been a tier below .

I do feel as though the problems with Russ and the organization were affecting the product on the field and that’s the variable not many of you seen to consider. When I see DK in camp , when I hear Tyler say “ I’m excited for a fresh start , I think we’re going to have a great year , I really do . “ it’s affirmation these boys plan to shock the world . Just read an analysis by Joe Trotter from NFL network. He projects Locke as the starter , says with the offense they are building he doesn’t need to be Wilson and he thinks the playoffs are entirely possible for the team .

So I’m not alone

I haven't heard anyone call Wilson a locker room cancer myself. Or any other personal insult for that matter.

Heard plenty question his play, but that's been the case since he entered the league. Always some guy questioning his height. A minority likes to think he's all done even after throwing for 40 TDs and leading us to 12-4 last year.

I know some fans took shots when he married Ciara claiming he was distracted and other rubbish. Never even seemed to cross their mind that we've been to the Super Bowl 3 times in 40 plus years. Won once. And that once was with Russell Wilson. I don't recall people taking the same personal shots at Hasselbeck or Krieg as they do at Wilson, though when Krieg was playing there were no forums. Russell Wilson has outperformed every single QB in Seahawks history, yet for some reason he takes a greater number of personal attacks and questions of his performance. You gotta wonder about that and the Seattle fan base, what exactly is motivating their attacks when they did not attack Matt Hass or Dave Krieg in a similar manner even though neither of them won a Super Bowl or performed nearly as well as Wilson?

You're even propping up Geno Smith who can't even touch Russell's performance or career. Yet your "analysis" is somehow building up Geno Smith as on par with Russ.

I don't know what has driven this small segment of the fan base to act like this, but it sure isn't true and it's tiresome. Even if Russ's performance isn't as good as his top years, he's still gonna be better than Dave Krieg, Matt Hasselbeck, Geno Smith, Drew Lock, and the like in their best years.

If you're all down on Russ for his "bad" football performance, why weren't you running your mouth and taking personal shots at Matt Hass, Dave Krieg, Geno, and the like? I better hear you taking shots at Geno Smith like you are at Russ right now if he's not performing better than Russ. That's your analysis right? If the QB can't perform as well or raise the team's win loss record, then they're a "locker room" cancer like Hass and Dave Krieg were for years because their win-loss record and football statistics were a hell of a lot worse than Russell Wilson.

Damn that Hass. We did so bad because Hass was a locker room cancer with a hot wife who distracted him from playing as well as he could have. I wish I had known back then, but I don't recall Hawktawk doing that analysis with Hass. Or any of the other "Russ has lost it" crowd who like to take personal shots at Russ.

[Hawktawk]

They can call baseball the America’s game all they want . The NFL is couch potato America’s game . Im a very passionate fan who came to my first game in the kingdome in the early 80s and can count on my fingers the number of games I have not either listened to , watched or attended in 45 years . So I’ve earned my right . I didn’t become a fan when Wilson was drafted or Sherman or whatever . I rooted for Steve Largent and Jim Zorn , coach Patera then Knox. So when I hear im out of line speaking my mind about this or that player or that one player well too bad . I call em like I see em . I’m ruthless as a fan . When you no longer help my team goodbye and thanks for the memories . I want to win , crave winning it all . Shouldn’t everyone ? But I am a realist too. We were up so long we had to come down . It’s sports gravity . Same for Russ . For 8.5 years he was too good to be true and in the last 20 games and 2 of seasons he proved he was just that . Too good to be true . Still credit where due in terms of personal and team goals accomplished . I’ve circled the wagons around Pete and John for this one year . Heard enough yapping about a HOF coach and a GM a superbowl draft away from it impugned . The architects of the most dominant sports franchise in the history of Seattle have lost it they say .
Well let’s see . I’m taking Pete at his word we are winning next year . If we don’t then it is time . One year without Russ after ten without him . I’ll never buy Pete’s come back expecting a rebuild . Me either . If it is fire Pete

[Hawktawk]

In our last 5 postseason losses we have never led in the second half of 4 of them, in 3 we never led . Couple that with a team like Green Bay that at least gets to the conference championship quite often . So our success has been a tier below .

I do feel as though the problems with Russ and the organization were affecting the product on the field and that’s the variable not many of you seen to consider. When I see DK in camp , when I hear Tyler say “ I’m excited for a fresh start , I think we’re going to have a great year , I really do . “ it’s affirmation these boys plan to shock the world . Just read an analysis by Joe Trotter from NFL network. He projects Locke as the starter , says with the offense they are building he doesn’t need to be Wilson and he thinks the playoffs are entirely possible for the team .

So I’m not alone :lol




I haven't heard anyone call Wilson a locker room cancer myself. Or any other personal insult for that matter.

Heard plenty question his play, but that's been the case since he entered the league. Always some guy questioning his height. A minority likes to think he's all done even after throwing for 40 TDs and leading us to 12-4 last year.

I know some fans took shots when he married Ciara claiming he was distracted and other rubbish. Never even seemed to cross their mind that we've been to the Super Bowl 3 times in 40 plus years. Won once. And that once was with Russell Wilson. I don't recall people taking the same personal shots at Hasselbeck or Krieg as they do at Wilson, though when Krieg was playing there were no forums. Russell Wilson has outperformed every single QB in Seahawks history, yet for some reason he takes a greater number of personal attacks and questions of his performance. You gotta wonder about that and the Seattle fan base, what exactly is motivating their attacks when they did not attack Matt Hass or Dave Krieg in a similar manner even though neither of them won a Super Bowl or performed nearly as well as Wilson?

You're even propping up Geno Smith who can't even touch Russell's performance or career. Yet your "analysis" is somehow building up Geno Smith as on par with Russ.

I don't know what has driven this small segment of the fan base to act like this, but it sure isn't true and it's tiresome. Even if Russ's performance isn't as good as his top years, he's still gonna be better than Dave Krieg, Matt Hasselbeck, Geno Smith, Drew Lock, and the like in their best years.

If you're all down on Russ for his "bad" football performance, why weren't you running your mouth and taking personal shots at Matt Hass, Dave Krieg, Geno, and the like? I better hear you taking shots at Geno Smith like you are at Russ right now if he's not performing better than Russ. That's your analysis right? If the QB can't perform as well or raise the team's win loss record, then they're a "locker room" cancer like Hass and Dave Krieg were for years because their win-loss record and football statistics were a hell of a lot worse than Russell Wilson.

Damn that Hass. We did so bad because Hass was a locker room cancer with a hot wife who distracted him from playing as well as he could have. I wish I had known back then, but I don't recall Hawktawk doing that analysis with Hass. Or any of the other "Russ has lost it" crowd who like to take personal shots at Russ.

Not sure what you are talking about with any of this . I met Krieg , have his autograph and when he screwed up I can’t repeat what I called him .same for hasslebeck. Toward the end in 2010 he was falling way behind in games then padding stats against prevent defenses I said he’s no longer helping . Get him the F out . I did watch him
Play a masterful game in beast quake before reverting back to old washed up Hass vs the bears . Geno ? He played far better against far tougher defenses this year than the 3 games following his three which were an average of 9
Points per game after Geno averaged 20. That’s all . If he plays like last year and is even starting we’re winning 10 games at a minimum . Geno freaking smith outplayed Russ this year which ought to tell you something about his game right now.


By any analysis Russ is our greatest QB although we have several I believe could have won with the legion of boom


. My issue with Wilson was his morphing from an aw shucks genuine team player to a flinty eyed ruthless me first negotiator and finally forced his way out ran his mouth about teammates not being good enough . I’ve made my issues with his current game known and no it’s not better than Hass in his prime at all . Hass moved chains . Kept his mouth shut , played his role , never complained despite being sacked about 3 times a game for his career . I think a guy like that , a team like the 2005 Seahawks should give Seattle 22 some hope .

[tarlhawk]

This post is about our schedule which looks plenty tough with the AFC West and our own NFC West on the agenda. Russell Wilson is gone and hopefully won't haunt us in our home opener. We are left with two "bridge" QB options until a viable "franchise" QB is found again...perhaps from one of these two men...although age gives Geno a definite handicap. Until camp and pre-season show otherwise...Geno is the favorite in the locker room and on the field with Pete's demands (of limited mistakes and Waldron's expectations of safe effective passing distribution.)

Drew will be afforded every opportunity to compete for the attention of Pete and Shane as well as win over the locker room...and in his arrival conference welcomes and expects a spirited competition to win respect and boost his own confidence...we shall see.

[NorthHawk]

Lots of pressure early on young OT's.
If they are going to start, we are going to have to take our lumps while they develop.
I'm just hoping the humiliating learning experience doesn't ruin their confidence.
I still expect the FO to sign a FA veteran OT to teach the young guys how to prepare, diet, sleep, film study, and all things required
of a professional going into their first 17 game season.

[RiverDog]

This post is about our schedule which looks plenty tough with the AFC West and our own NFC West on the agenda. Russell Wilson is gone and hopefully won't haunt us in our home opener. We are left with two "bridge" QB options until a viable "franchise" QB is found again...perhaps from one of these two men...although age gives Geno a definite handicap. Until camp and pre-season show otherwise...Geno is the favorite in the locker room and on the field with Pete's demands (of limited mistakes and Waldron's expectations of safe effective passing distribution.)

Drew will be afforded every opportunity to compete for the attention of Pete and Shane as well as win over the locker room...and in his arrival conference welcomes and expects a spirited competition to win respect and boost his own confidence...we shall see.

Geno definitely has the advantage going in as he knows the offense and is familiar with our coaches and players. However, if Lock shows some promise, even if they look relative close in the competition, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they go with him rather than Geno as he has a heck of a lot more of an upside to him than does Geno, age being just one of the factors.

[Hawktawk]

I’d love to see Geno go out on Monday night and hang up 5 TDs just to pay Russ back for Green Bay and being such a lousy selfish teammate .
I see the Locke angle and hope he wins out frankly . Obviously the potential ceiling may be higher .

But age isn’t a huge factor . Genos 2 years younger than Russ with a fraction of the hits . A unique situation for a potential starter at 31 years old .

I want the win now guy whichever it is . I think everyone but Pete John and I underestimate Genos potential. He will never be Russ but his game looks a lot like Hass with a bigger arm and more wheels .

[obiken]

I’d love to see Geno go out on Monday night and hang up 5 TDs just to pay Russ back for Green Bay and being such a lousy selfish teammate .
I see the Locke angle and hope he wins out frankly . Obviously the potential ceiling may be higher .

But age isn’t a huge factor . Genos 2 years younger than Russ with a fraction of the hits . A unique situation for a potential starter at 31 years old .

I want the win now guy whichever it is . I think everyone but Pete John and I underestimate Genos potential. He will never be Russ but his game looks a lot like Hass with a bigger arm and more wheels .

They are going to start Lock, he is not a good starter, we have seen Lock's ceiling and its low. We will see right outta the gate against the Broncos game one. All he has to do is throw a couple of picks and its done.

[Aseahawkfan]

Not sure what you are talking about with any of this . I met Krieg , have his autograph and when he screwed up I can’t repeat what I called him .same for hasslebeck. Toward the end in 2010 he was falling way behind in games then padding stats against prevent defenses I said he’s no longer helping . Get him the F out . I did watch him
Play a masterful game in beast quake before reverting back to old washed up Hass vs the bears . Geno ? He played far better against far tougher defenses this year than the 3 games following his three which were an average of 9
Points per game after Geno averaged 20. That’s all . If he plays like last year and is even starting we’re winning 10 games at a minimum . Geno freaking smith outplayed Russ this year which ought to tell you something about his game right now.


By any analysis Russ is our greatest QB although we have several I believe could have won with the legion of boom


. My issue with Wilson was his morphing from an aw shucks genuine team player to a flinty eyed ruthless me first negotiator and finally forced his way out ran his mouth about teammates not being good enough . I’ve made my issues with his current game known and no it’s not better than Hass in his prime at all . Hass moved chains . Kept his mouth shut , played his role , never complained despite being sacked about 3 times a game for his career . I think a guy like that , a team like the 2005 Seahawks should give Seattle 22 some hope .

You keep making stuff up about Russ.

So I decided to use your logic. If the team is doing bad, must be because the QB is some kind of locker room cancer.

Until I see you admit Pete and John have been drafting badly and maintaining the roster badly while throwing DCs and OCs under the bus to see they can get the crap talent they brought in to work, I just can't take you seriously blaming the one guy that maintained a consistent performance over the decline of this team never missing a game until last year and always working hard to learn what a new OC taught him and work with the new players on offense.

I don't think it's hard to understand that maybe Russ grew weary of Pete's musical OCs. Russ worked with Bevell who developed him doing what he was told by Bevell and Pete. He worked with Schottenheimer and had a great year and seemed to be getting that offense down. Then Pete brings in Waldron, handcuffs Waldron again making you wonder why he even brought Walrdon in, then suddenly we have a problem with Russ at the end of the season.

If we're speculating, maybe Russ got tired of Pete changing OCs as he was getting their offenses down and then getting handcuffed by Pete so he feels like he can't perform to the best of his ability.

You act like there was nothing going for a QB to be unhappy about. But we had a defense on the serious decline, constantly changing OCs every few years, and Pete apparently involving in himself in the offensive process every time he felt it wasn't what he wanted. When I see it, Pete seems like the tyrant head coach more than Russ seems like the ruthless negotiator. Seems to me Russ just reached a point where he wanted some stability on the offense and for Pete to let these new OCs he was bringing in do what they were brought in to do: refresh the offense and make the passing game the star.

Pete decided he didn't want to do that. So he and Russ parted ways. At the end of the day, it was always Pete's decision to get rid of Russ and not Russ's. Just as Pete has churned through OCs and DCs the last 5 years.

But you keep blaming Russ and ignoring all the moves Pete has made that would make a QB unhappy like they don't matter. They very much do.

[tarlhawk]

constantly changing OCs every few years, and for Pete to let these new OCs he was bringing in do what they were brought in to do: refresh the offense and make the passing game the star.

Such a picture we paint...we've had three new Offensive Coordinators under Pete Carroll...hardly musical chairs. Bevell from 2011 until 2017...a lengthy period of time to give RW stability as he grew into an elite QB... Schottenheimer from 2018 thru 2020 and the hiring of Shane Waldron starting in 2021. Russell Wilson even was given the opportunity to engage in pre-hiring selection of Waldron.

From NBC Sports PFT:

Waldron was hired away from the Los Angeles Rams last month to replace Brian Schottenheimer, who was let go by the team after three seasons in the role. Wilson had a role in the search process for a new coordinator and spoke with Waldron before he was hired by the team.

make the passing game the star?? Let Russell cook...is not a formula with a faltering defense and wasn't a winning formula when our defense was elite in the early years of RW's development. The eventual decline and departure of Marshawn Lynch was hard to replace via draft misfortunes and the RB NFL curse (Injury)...this allowed RW to flourish as pass plays began being more dominant...out of need...not necessity. Russell was on board with this balanced approach early in his career but comparisons with other styled elite QB and disappointment with MVP balloting began to take hold...

[Hawktawk]

Exactly tarihawk. Russell is about personal stats as much as winning anymore . I actually read a transcript of his comments to PC in his interview and he said he wanted to win championships (check ) and he wanted to lead the league in passing . In hindsight I think we’re on to something .

[NorthHawk]

Wilson had a role in selecting Waldron.
Pete then made Waldron play his brand of Offense.
Wilson was disillusioned because of that happening again.
There's not reason to expect things to change, so Wilson went to a team that valued his input and experience.

[tarlhawk]

Wilson was disillusioned because of that happening again.
There's not reason to expect things to change, so Wilson went to a team that valued his input and experience.

Boy that's quite some "spin" you put into your response...RW disillusioned? Really? RW has been an elite QB who often audibles out of plays he doesn't like and makes his own on field decisions often...that's a trust that lately became an abuse of the respect Pete gave. RW was not some outcast whose input and experience wasn't valued...input has boundaries...you think Belichick would tolerate being questioned on knowing what is best for the team. He'll have more say with the Broncos because Hackett is a first year coach whose livelihood depends on RW being kept happy...like I said you put great "spin" on some of your responses...

[Hawktawk]

I know I’ll be accused of repeating myself but Russell didn’t run the offense as called , certainly not last year . At the conclusion of our loss to the Rams where we scored 10 points Russ had ATTEMPTED 29 passes between the hash marks 10-15 yards downfield all season . In comparison Brady attempted 7 such passes per game . To be fair when we got Penney going he used the middle a bit more but still.. overlook check downs to launch rockets is not the McVeigh , Waldron offense at all .

[obiken]

I know I’ll be accused of repeating myself but Russell didn’t run the offense as called , certainly not last year . At the conclusion of our loss to the Rams where we scored 10 points Russ had ATTEMPTED 29 passes between the hash marks 10-15 yards downfield all season . In comparison Brady attempted 7 such passes per game . To be fair when we got Penney going he used the middle a bit more but still.. overlook check downs to launch rockets is not the McVeigh , Waldron offense at all .

HT, Over the last 10 years: top QB's 1. Brady, 2. Rogers 3. Wilson 4. Breez 5. Rapistburger Any questions.

[Aseahawkfan]

Such a picture we paint...we've had three new Offensive Coordinators under Pete Carroll...hardly musical chairs. Bevell from 2011 until 2017...a lengthy period of time to give RW stability as he grew into an elite QB... Schottenheimer from 2018 thru 2020 and the hiring of Shane Waldron starting in 2021. Russell Wilson even was given the opportunity to engage in pre-hiring selection of Waldron.

From NBC Sports PFT:

Waldron was hired away from the Los Angeles Rams last month to replace Brian Schottenheimer, who was let go by the team after three seasons in the role. Wilson had a role in the search process for a new coordinator and spoke with Waldron before he was hired by the team.

make the passing game the star?? Let Russell cook...is not a formula with a faltering defense and wasn't a winning formula when our defense was elite in the early years of RW's development. The eventual decline and departure of Marshawn Lynch was hard to replace via draft misfortunes and the RB NFL curse (Injury)...this allowed RW to flourish as pass plays began being more dominant...out of need...not necessity. Russell was on board with this balanced approach early in his career but comparisons with other styled elite QB and disappointment with MVP balloting began to take hold...

I'm not talking about during the good years when they were on the rise. I'm talking post Super Bowl loss where Pete's been changing DCs and OCs often, firing the OC and DC because the team isn't improving.

Russ had a great relationship with Brian Schottenheimer and had some great years under Brian.

I think the firing of Brian Schottenheimer by Pete Carroll is pretty much what sent Russell packing.

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/seahawks/russell-wilson-pens-open-letter-brian-schottenheimer-after-seahawks-exit

This is the most logical reason Russell is likely gone right now.

We can disagree on whether Pete or Russ is right, but Russ took the firing Brian Schottenheimer hard and it pretty much sent a clear message to Russ his input on the offense and his desire to run a more passing oriented offense wasn't going to be in Seattle. Pete decided he didn't want to be at odds with his QB over how they run the offense, so made the decision to trade someone who wasn't all aboard on how Pete likes to run the offense.

Waldron's gonna find out the same thing that Pete wants to run his offense. He only brings in guys like Waldron as a pretense to wanting change, while he keeps things the way Pete wants them. Now he can do that without the QB wanting something else. Not sure how long Waldron will last now as it's a huge waste to keep Waldron as OC when he runs an offense more like the Rams under McVay. So I don't expect Waldron to last long in Seattle with Pete as the HC.

Or any QB or OC who doesn't run the way Pete wants to run the offense.

[Hawktawk]

I’d have Russ top 5 for 8 years . Maybe top 3 . For all the accusations of being a hater I made that argument for years . Last season he completed 42% of his passes on 3rd down which led to the team being a league worst 33% third and 4th down conversion rate . It wasn’t much better in 2020 but in 2020 we went 7-1 in games decided by 3 or less and this year we went 0-5 . Russ had his worst completion % of his career and his total QBR was about the same as Tua.
That was then and this is now . We can start taking stock in a few Monday’s of who was right or wrong if either was .

[Hawktawk]

Such a picture we paint...we've had three new Offensive Coordinators under Pete Carroll...hardly musical chairs. Bevell from 2011 until 2017...a lengthy period of time to give RW stability as he grew into an elite QB... Schottenheimer from 2018 thru 2020 and the hiring of Shane Waldron starting in 2021. Russell Wilson even was given the opportunity to engage in pre-hiring selection of Waldron.

From NBC Sports PFT:

Waldron was hired away from the Los Angeles Rams last month to replace Brian Schottenheimer, who was let go by the team after three seasons in the role. Wilson had a role in the search process for a new coordinator and spoke with Waldron before he was hired by the team.

make the passing game the star?? Let Russell cook...is not a formula with a faltering defense and wasn't a winning formula when our defense was elite in the early years of RW's development. The eventual decline and departure of Marshawn Lynch was hard to replace via draft misfortunes and the RB NFL curse (Injury)...this allowed RW to flourish as pass plays began being more dominant...out of need...not necessity. Russell was on board with this balanced approach early in his career but comparisons with other styled elite QB and disappointment with MVP balloting began to take hold...

I'm not talking about during the good years when they were on the rise. I'm talking post Super Bowl loss where Pete's been changing DCs and OCs often, firing the OC and DC because the team isn't improving.

Russ had a great relationship with Brian Schottenheimer and had some great years under Brian.

I think the firing of Brian Schottenheimer by Pete Carroll is pretty much what sent Russell packing.

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/seahawks/russell-wilson-pens-open-letter-brian-schottenheimer-after-seahawks-exit

This is the most logical reason Russell is likely gone right now.

We can disagree on whether Pete or Russ is right, but Russ took the firing Brian Schottenheimer hard and it pretty much sent a clear message to Russ his input on the offense and his desire to run a more passing oriented offense wasn't going to be in Seattle. Pete decided he didn't want to be at odds with his QB over how they run the offense, so made the decision to trade someone who wasn't all aboard on how Pete likes to run the offense.

Waldron's gonna find out the same thing that Pete wants to run his offense. He only brings in guys like Waldron as a pretense to wanting change, while he keeps things the way Pete wants them. Now he can do that without the QB wanting something else. Not sure how long Waldron will last now as it's a huge waste to keep Waldron as OC when he runs an offense more like the Rams under McVay. So I don't expect Waldron to last long in Seattle with Pete as the HC.

Or any QB or OC who doesn't run the way Pete wants to run the offense.[/quote]



Once again the writer who shared the open letter didn’t watch the games as he explained Russ only threw 13 picks because he threw so much more . The reality is he was at something like 25 TDs and 2 picks till the AZ game where he threw 3 and that became a total of 11 picks in the last 11 games including the pick 6 in the putrid 11-29 disaster with Donald out half the game .
Imo he got Schottie fired with his second half of the year . I liked the guy but heard plenty of complaints about him right here too . Hell I could never understand the firing of Jeramy Bates after beast quake either .

[NorthHawk]

Boy that's quite some "spin" you put into your response...RW disillusioned? Really? RW has been an elite QB who often audibles out of plays he doesn't like and makes his own on field decisions often...that's a trust that lately became an abuse of the respect Pete gave. RW was not some outcast whose input and experience wasn't valued...input has boundaries...you think Belichick would tolerate being questioned on knowing what is best for the team. He'll have more say with the Broncos because Hackett is a first year coach whose livelihood depends on RW being kept happy...like I said you put great "spin" on some of your responses

Why would a Pro Bowl player want out if he was happy?
Clearly Wilson wasn’t.
His play changed when Pete took back control of the Offense.
We discussed it at length in this forum and some thought he was injured but it turns out he wasn’t.
He was then stuck doing the same old things and when he brought up new ideas was told they were going
to do it Pete’s way. He then started to make noise about wanting out.

But fanboys wouldn’t be able to connect those dots I suppose.

[Hawktawk]

Boy that's quite some "spin" you put into your response...RW disillusioned? Really? RW has been an elite QB who often audibles out of plays he doesn't like and makes his own on field decisions often...that's a trust that lately became an abuse of the respect Pete gave. RW was not some outcast whose input and experience wasn't valued...input has boundaries...you think Belichick would tolerate being questioned on knowing what is best for the team. He'll have more say with the Broncos because Hackett is a first year coach whose livelihood depends on RW being kept happy...like I said you put great "spin" on some of your responses

Why would a Pro Bowl player want out if he was happy?
Clearly Wilson wasn’t.
His play changed when Pete took back control of the Offense.
We discussed it at length in this forum and some thought he was injured but it turns out he wasn’t.
He was then stuck doing the same old things and when he brought up new ideas was told they were going
to do it Pete’s way. He then started to make noise about wanting out.

But fanboys wouldn’t be able to connect those dots I suppose.

A fan boy is someone who thinks the coach doesn’t have a right to reign it in after a 3 pick performance in a game AZ only led when they won in overtime . If not for DKs incredible play it would have been worse . And explain his the offense was bad . Russ and his camp reportedly stormed the coaches meeting prior to the second AZ game demanding control of the game plan . Ridiculous on its face , answer NO and by god we won the game with Pete ball .

Rejecting the formula that got him a ring is a huge mistake for Russ. A sad end . I think he’s HOF but first ballot has a lot to do with what happens next starting September 12.

[tarlhawk]

Why would a Pro Bowl player want out if he was happy?
Clearly Wilson wasn’t.
His play changed when Pete took back control of the Offense.
We discussed it at length in this forum and some thought he was injured but it turns out he wasn’t.
He was then stuck doing the same old things and when he brought up new ideas was told they were going
to do it Pete’s way. He then started to make noise about wanting out.

But fanboys wouldn’t be able to connect those dots I suppose.

Fanboy? Ow...must've touched a nerve...my statements hardly label me as a fanboy...but nice to know you resort to stereotypes. My goal is not to "attack" anyone...social media tends to bring out the worse in many.

Why would a Pro Bowl player want out if he was happy? Depends...do you know what makes Russell Wilson happy?? Russell endured a year of emotional turmoil and the results are pure speculation but some of his "fire" died and with the impact of "high salaried employees" (including his own) on the rest of the roster with handicapped drafting from stringing winning seasons together...RW realized Super Bowl aspirations needed him to relocate to a team whose roster was already built up by losing seasons and QB desperation...he abandoned ship...hardly "forced" whatever the claim...it was a mutual beneficial parting for most likely business reasons...not all conflicts have happy endings when "escape" becomes a temptation.

He was then stuck doing the same old things and when he brought up new ideas was told they were going
to do it Pete’s way. He then started to make noise about wanting out....all rumored speculation...STUCK?? When did his passing suffer when he was healthy? STUCK with play makers any other QB would love to be stuck with?

The passing snaps % compared to the running snaps % stayed consistent...the results didn't bear the same fruit...NFL defenses and their coordinators watch plenty of film ...and "surprise" make adjustments...RW's mobility plays a big role in his ability to escape/extend plays...certain O-line "practices" are allowed when the QB stays in the pocket...bail on the pocket and those overlooked "O-line practices" become holding penalties and the QB takes "hits" because he is now considered a "runner" outside of the pocket...D-line sack artists love it when the QB is flushed out of the "protection" of the pocket.

Pete’s way ? What kind of NFL coach thinks he has any say in how a "team" is run?? Who influences the hiring of a Defensive Coordinator or an Offensive Coordinator?? ...not the vice president of football operations? ...not the Head Coach?

No wonder our country is fixated on the "authority" of a President (Executive branch)...the legality of its Judicial Branch (US Supreme Court)...or the open/wanton spending of its congressional branches (Senate and House).

Management guides a team with defined roles within that team...input from outside these roles can be asked/offered...but demanded? I don't think RW went that far but some of you act like it was his "right" not a trusted/respected "privilege" to make known his displeasure.

What honor is a "contract"? Everybody "jokes" that the NFL is a business...but what kind of business can sustain its players becoming disgruntled when their High Cap contracts are "compared" to someone else and now they go into "team ransom mode". Aaron Rodgers constantly badgered his team into management decisions...DeShaun Watson "blackmailed" his team into unloading him to a "better tomorrow"...Free Agency is not enough to sustain a player suddenly displeased with being "shackled" to a team that forced him to sign a multi-year contract...perhaps 1 year contracts without a "happiness" clause should become the norm...just who does Management and team Ownership think they are?

[Hawktawk]

Another awesome post ..love the comments about Russ being unhappy with playmakers any other Qb would be delighted with. Also that it’s some right of a player to tell management who to sign and tell coach what plays to run. You’re making 35 million dollars “ hey Seattle we got a deal “ in bed with Ciara . Remember that what 3 years ago ?
I’m a blue collar supe that manages people on a golf course . I’ve been in management in golf and other businesses for 40 years . I’ve never put up with a belligerent employee no matter how talented . I had to terminate a guy who had been with the club 11 years s , another for 17 . They are called golden cows : Russ had become one albeit one still playing at a very high level. But he was untouchable , Teflon man , very popular with fans . I have a sense of what it was like for Pete and John and everyone else in that 50 man crew dealing with it . Part of my optimism is based on the weight being lifted , the breath of fresh air not dealing with a 500 lb gorilla every day .

[Aseahawkfan]

Fanboy? Ow...must've touched a nerve...my statements hardly label me as a fanboy...but nice to know you resort to stereotypes. My goal is not to "attack" anyone...social media tends to bring out the worse in many.

Why would a Pro Bowl player want out if he was happy? Depends...do you know what makes Russell Wilson happy?? Russell endured a year of emotional turmoil and the results are pure speculation but some of his "fire" died and with the impact of "high salaried employees" (including his own) on the rest of the roster with handicapped drafting from stringing winning seasons together...RW realized Super Bowl aspirations needed him to relocate to a team whose roster was already built up by losing seasons and QB desperation...he abandoned ship...hardly "forced" whatever the claim...it was a mutual beneficial parting for most likely business reasons...not all conflicts have happy endings when "escape" becomes a temptation.

He was then stuck doing the same old things and when he brought up new ideas was told they were going
to do it Pete’s way. He then started to make noise about wanting out....all rumored speculation...STUCK?? When did his passing suffer when he was healthy? STUCK with play makers any other QB would love to be stuck with?

The passing snaps % compared to the running snaps % stayed consistent...the results didn't bear the same fruit...NFL defenses and their coordinators watch plenty of film ...and "surprise" make adjustments...RW's mobility plays a big role in his ability to escape/extend plays...certain O-line "practices" are allowed when the QB stays in the pocket...bail on the pocket and those overlooked "O-line practices" become holding penalties and the QB takes "hits" because he is now considered a "runner" outside of the pocket...D-line sack artists love it when the QB is flushed out of the "protection" of the pocket.

Pete’s way ? What kind of NFL coach thinks he has any say in how a "team" is run?? Who influences the hiring of a Defensive Coordinator or an Offensive Coordinator?? ...not the vice president of football operations? ...not the Head Coach?

No wonder our country is fixated on the "authority" of a President (Executive branch)...the legality of its Judicial Branch (US Supreme Court)...or the open/wanton spending of its congressional branches (Senate and House).

Management guides a team with defined roles within that team...input from outside these roles can be asked/offered...but demanded? I don't think RW went that far but some of you act like it was his "right" not a trusted/respected "privilege" to make known his displeasure.

What honor is a "contract"? Everybody "jokes" that the NFL is a business...but what kind of business can sustain its players becoming disgruntled when their High Cap contracts are "compared" to someone else and now they go into "team ransom mode". Aaron Rodgers constantly badgered his team into management decisions...DeShaun Watson "blackmailed" his team into unloading him to a "better tomorrow"...Free Agency is not enough to sustain a player suddenly displeased with being "shackled" to a team that forced him to sign a multi-year contract...perhaps 1 year contracts without a "happiness" clause should become the norm...just who does Management and team Ownership think they are?

I don't care if you think this way.

But don't pretend we're not going to experience a substantial drop off from losing a franchise QB who according to any objective look at his stats is nowhere near to done or over or at the end of his ability.

You and hawktawk keep pretending that trading the franchise QB that is supposedly done but still putting up numbers most teams would kill for at QB is somehow not going to have any effect on our win-loss record or have some positive effect on it.

It's ridiculous. Russ is pretty far from done. I know Seattle fans who actually remember what it is like to have a non-elite QB before Russ who would love a QB who gave us 27 TDs and 6 ints in a good year, much less what Russ normally puts up when healthy and things are running as they should.

[Hawktawk]

Fanboy? Ow...must've touched a nerve...my statements hardly label me as a fanboy...but nice to know you resort to stereotypes. My goal is not to "attack" anyone...social media tends to bring out the worse in many.

Why would a Pro Bowl player want out if he was happy? Depends...do you know what makes Russell Wilson happy?? Russell endured a year of emotional turmoil and the results are pure speculation but some of his "fire" died and with the impact of "high salaried employees" (including his own) on the rest of the roster with handicapped drafting from stringing winning seasons together...RW realized Super Bowl aspirations needed him to relocate to a team whose roster was already built up by losing seasons and QB desperation...he abandoned ship...hardly "forced" whatever the claim...it was a mutual beneficial parting for most likely business reasons...not all conflicts have happy endings when "escape" becomes a temptation.

He was then stuck doing the same old things and when he brought up new ideas was told they were going
to do it Pete’s way. He then started to make noise about wanting out....all rumored speculation...STUCK?? When did his passing suffer when he was healthy? STUCK with play makers any other QB would love to be stuck with?

The passing snaps % compared to the running snaps % stayed consistent...the results didn't bear the same fruit...NFL defenses and their coordinators watch plenty of film ...and "surprise" make adjustments...RW's mobility plays a big role in his ability to escape/extend plays...certain O-line "practices" are allowed when the QB stays in the pocket...bail on the pocket and those overlooked "O-line practices" become holding penalties and the QB takes "hits" because he is now considered a "runner" outside of the pocket...D-line sack artists love it when the QB is flushed out of the "protection" of the pocket.

Pete’s way ? What kind of NFL coach thinks he has any say in how a "team" is run?? Who influences the hiring of a Defensive Coordinator or an Offensive Coordinator?? ...not the vice president of football operations? ...not the Head Coach?

No wonder our country is fixated on the "authority" of a President (Executive branch)...the legality of its Judicial Branch (US Supreme Court)...or the open/wanton spending of its congressional branches (Senate and House).

Management guides a team with defined roles within that team...input from outside these roles can be asked/offered...but demanded? I don't think RW went that far but some of you act like it was his "right" not a trusted/respected "privilege" to make known his displeasure.

What honor is a "contract"? Everybody "jokes" that the NFL is a business...but what kind of business can sustain its players becoming disgruntled when their High Cap contracts are "compared" to someone else and now they go into "team ransom mode". Aaron Rodgers constantly badgered his team into management decisions...DeShaun Watson "blackmailed" his team into unloading him to a "better tomorrow"...Free Agency is not enough to sustain a player suddenly displeased with being "shackled" to a team that forced him to sign a multi-year contract...perhaps 1 year contracts without a "happiness" clause should become the norm...just who does Management and team Ownership think they are?

I don't care if you think this way.

But don't pretend we're not going to experience a substantial drop off from losing a franchise QB who according to any objective look at his stats is nowhere near to done or over or at the end of his ability.

You and hawktawk keep pretending that trading the franchise QB that is supposedly done but still putting up numbers most teams would kill for at QB is somehow not going to have any effect on our win-loss record or have some positive effect on it.

It's ridiculous. Russ is pretty far from done. I know Seattle fans who actually remember what it is like to have a non-elite QB before Russ who would love a QB who gave us 27 TDs and 6 ints
in a good year, much less what Russ normally puts up when healthy and things are running as they should.

Russ won 6 games last year . Lost to 3 straight up backups . If Geno replicated his 13 quarters we will be better . Big if . But Asea WTF were the Seahawks supposed to do?

Guy was not happy , disruptive . Demanding . Didn’t want to be here . Force a declining checked out slacker to stay . Give him 50 million? That’s 9 million per win .

As I’ve said it was a foolish decision he began making when he decided to bow his back and get in a power struggle with a hall of fame coach .

He’s the ungrateful one . Not guys like me that are a fan of the Jersey .

If you want to tell me he would go to the jets and be winning a super bowl a year later I want a toke of your smoke it’s better then mine .
Let’s see what happens on MNF. No more excuses . Till then you or I know nothing about what will happen in reality .

[RiverDog]

Russ won 6 games last year . Lost to 3 straight up backups . If Geno replicated his 13 quarters we will be better . Big if . But Asea WTF were the Seahawks supposed to do?

Guy was not happy , disruptive . Demanding . Didn’t want to be here . Force a declining checked out slacker to stay . Give him 50 million? That’s 9 million per win .

As I’ve said it was a foolish decision he began making when he decided to bow his back and get in a power struggle with a hall of fame coach .

He’s the ungrateful one . Not guys like me that are a fan of the Jersey .

If you want to tell me he would go to the jets and be winning a super bowl a year later I want a toke of your smoke it’s better then mine .
Let’s see what happens on MNF. No more excuses . Till then you or I know nothing about what will happen in reality .

."

There's no doubt that Russell was unhappy, but I don't understand where you are getting the idea that he was "disruptive" and "demanding." Do you have any examples or quotes from players or coaches?

There's no doubt that Russell and our brain trust had some major issues, but there is no evidence whatsoever that it had spilled over into the locker room or onto the field to the point where it could be considered a major disruption.

[tarlhawk]

I don't care if you think this way.

But don't pretend we're not going to experience a substantial drop off from losing a franchise QB who according to any objective look at his stats is nowhere near to done or over or at the end of his ability.

You and hawktawk keep pretending that trading the franchise QB that is supposedly done but still putting up numbers most teams would kill for at QB is somehow not going to have any effect on our win-loss record or have some positive effect on it.

It's ridiculous. Russ is pretty far from done. I know Seattle fans who actually remember what it is like to have a non-elite QB before Russ who would love a QB who gave us 27 TDs and 6 ints in a good year, much less what Russ normally puts up when healthy and things are running as they should.

But don't pretend we're not going to experience a substantial drop off from losing a franchise QB

Do you really read my posts? I have no pretense that losing Russell hasn't put our team in "crisis" mode...I don't sense the Broncos are stupid...they offered the winning "bundle" (and let's not kid ourselves Russel's immense worth was reflected in what our team got) that allowed Russell to boost Elway "out of the fire" from Denver fans who had grown impatient with Elway's perceived insight on QB selections.

You and hawktawk keep pretending that trading the franchise QB that is supposedly done but still putting up numbers most teams would kill for at QB is somehow not going to have any effect on our win-loss record or have some positive effect on it.

Emotional backlash when you fail to realize I have never claimed Russell was "done"...FAR from it...I was in full support of the character and skills of Russell...I even rallied to defend his QB play being off with good reasoning concerning the many emotional things Russell was having to overcome (on and off the field) in 2021 and the off season that preceded it. Maybe its easier for you to lump me and HawkTawk together like some stereotype...but he is more emotional with an ardent fervor in the support of his ideas than I...the two of us are alike in expressing hope that the loss of RW can be overcome (not matched or exceeded) but we diverge in ideas of "blame" ...I sense no gain in finding blame...no one has insider info...so my own speculation falls on an unfortunate business decision between two unhappy parties who were once happily yoked together. For me...it ends there...Russell is gone...I am onboard for the team's recovery...not screaming for the heads of PC/JS and allow me some hope which only the off season provides...I have no doubts of the murky glass we face in 2022...such is the challenge of being an NFL underdog Go Hawks

[Hawktawk]

[quote="RiverDog"]Russ won 6 games last year . Lost to 3 straight up backups . If Geno replicated his 13 quarters we will be better . Big if . But Asea WTF were the Seahawks supposed to do?

Guy was not happy , disruptive . Demanding . Didn’t want to be here . Force a declining checked out slacker to stay . Give him 50 million? That’s 9 million per win .

As I’ve said it was a foolish decision he began making when he decided to bow his back and get in a power struggle with a hall of fame coach .

He’s the ungrateful one . Not guys like me that are a fan of the Jersey .

If you want to tell me he would go to the jets and be winning a super bowl a year later I want a toke of your smoke it’s better then mine .
Let’s see what happens on MNF. No more excuses . Till then you or I know nothing about what will happen in reality .[l



“There's no doubt that Russell was unhappy, but I don't understand where you are getting the idea that he was "disruptive" and "demanding." Do you have any examples or quotes from players or coaches?
“
There's no doubt that Russell and our brain trust had some major issues, but there is no evidence whatsoever that it had spilled over into the locker room or onto the field to the point where it could be considered a major disruption.

Let’s say I haven’t seen a lot of love letters penned by his teammates pining for their lost hero either . As a manager , as one who has also been parts of teams in 3 sports including a state title football team I gotta tell you RD there’s no I in team . And the comments about needing better players . Tired of being hit so much . Common sense dictates it had to be a huge weight . The hand thing was the most selfish thing I’ve seen from a player here . Part of being a teammate is knowing you just can’t go out and be yourself and improve on your loyal backup who prepared for 3 seasons , 80% three TD receptions 138 rating the previous game .


But shut out with the defense balling out holding GB to 17, 3 entering the 4th quarter . After the game Geno tweeted then deleted “ I’d like to vent but it’s not safe . Indeed . He got screwed worse than anyone . Do you think he’s the only guy upset with that clown show .? After being praised on Twitter by DK and Diggs among others. You think Russels teammates were happy ?. Looked to me like he spent a lot of time alone on the bench late in the year .

As I say common sense and my own experience tells me there is no love lost with that locker room and we may well see that on MNF . I thing the poison in the well is the biggest factor for optimism along with a top
3 draft and a raft of skill player talent . Addition by subtraction .

[Hawktawk]

And demanding input is demanding and disruptive , obviously “ checked out” what does that mean to you ?

[c_hawkbob]

And demanding input is demanding and disruptive , obviously “ checked out” what does that mean to you ?

It sure doesn't mean 10% of all cancer BS you're extrapolating from it! Your penchant for overstatement is exhausting.

[NorthHawk]

He didn’t “check out”.
There’s no indication he wasn’t the same professional he always was, but he was resigned to the fact
that he was going to have to move on if he wanted to expand his game.

[RiverDog]

And demanding input is demanding and disruptive , obviously “ checked out” what does that mean to you ?

That's your opinion, and that's fine. But it is not a fact. It's your personal interpretation.

You're cherry picking statements of his, like when he said that he is "getting hit too much", you conveniently leave out that he also said that "it's part of my job" and "not at all about the offensive line." You're selecting certain phrases that fit your narrative that he'd checked out and was demanding and disruptive while ignoring those quotes that contradict your version of the story as if he never said them.

There is no doubt that Russell was frustrated, but his saying that he's getting hit too much or that noting how many sacks he's taken isn't necessarily a self serving statement. The quarterback getting hit too much and getting sacked too often has a direct bearing on the success and failure of the team. There is no evidence that Russell was a locker room cancer, that he had alienated his teammates as you are suggesting. All you're doing is applying your "common sense" to the situation.

[Aseahawkfan]

That's your opinion, and that's fine. But it is not a fact. It's your personal interpretation.

You're cherry picking statements of his, like when he said that he is "getting hit too much", you conveniently leave out that he also said that "it's part of my job" and "not at all about the offensive line." You're selecting certain phrases that fit your narrative that he'd checked out and was demanding and disruptive while ignoring those quotes that contradict your version of the story as if he never said them.

There is no doubt that Russell was frustrated, but his saying that he's getting hit too much or that noting how many sacks he's taken isn't necessarily a self serving statement. The quarterback getting hit too much and getting sacked too often has a direct bearing on the success and failure of the team. There is no evidence that Russell was a locker room cancer, that he had alienated his teammates as you are suggesting. All you're doing is applying your "common sense" to the situation.

Hawktawk has some personal beef with Russ and is willing to spread lies to push his rubbish idea of Russ. Its's sickening to see, but par for the course I guess. Hawktawk is the jilted fan scorned by the star player taking out his rage by insulting and taking personal shots at Wilson.

As far as I see it, the deal is done. There's no point in any of us wasting our time taking shots at Russ or Pete. We have to move on to the new reality and hope for the best even if history tells us we're in for some bad seasons until hopefully these draft picks start showing us they can do it like when Pete first got here and guys like Okung and Earl and Sherm formed into some great players.

[Aseahawkfan]

rtunate business decision between two unhappy parties who were once happily yoked together. For me...it ends there...Russell is gone...I am onboard for the team's recovery...not screaming for the heads of PC/JS and allow me some hope which only the off season provides...I have no doubts of the murky glass we face in 2022...such is the challenge of being an NFL underdog Go Hawks

My apologies for lumping you with hawktawk. I see now you don't share his looney ideas. I'm getting real sick of people acting like Russ is some terrible person or terrible player because he left.

Russ is still an extremely viable QB that if Pete and John had rebuilt a quality team around him other than WRs, we might have challenged for another Super Bowl.

I know you disagree or to some degree disagree, but I see a real failure to draft and manage free agency well is why we have roster weaknesses that are costing us. But there is a segment who wants to blame Russ for everything because he was the one making the last bad pass or a bad turnover at a wrong time, while completely ignoring the defense giving up too many points or the running back not even in the game because he was hurt yet again. Pretty much everything was on Russ to win. I've seen plenty of elite guys like Rodgers or Mahomes with similar pressure and better teams around them fail when all that pressure is on them as well, no one would think either of those guys is some bad or done QB.

It's hard to win in the playoffs, much less get to a Super Bowl. It's even harder when all the other team has to do is disrupt a single player to win.

[RiverDog]

As far as I see it, the deal (Wilson trade) is done. There's no point in any of us wasting our time taking shots at Russ or Pete. We have to move on to the new reality and hope for the best even if history tells us we're in for some bad seasons until hopefully these draft picks start showing us they can do it like when Pete first got here and guys like Okung and Earl and Sherm formed into some great players.

Agreed about not taking shots at Russell, which is one of the reasons why I've been defending him. It's water under the bridge as he's no longer a Seahawk. Thanks for the memories.

But it's open season on Pete Carroll. I accept the fact that he's our coach and I hope he succeeds as that would mean that our team succeeds, but I still think that he should have been fired at the end of last season and was disappointed that he wasn't.

[Aseahawkfan]

Agreed about not taking shots at Russell, which is one of the reasons why I've been defending him. It's water under the bridge as he's no longer a Seahawk. Thanks for the memories.

But it's open season on Pete Carroll. I accept the fact that he's our coach and I hope he succeeds as that would mean that our team succeeds, but I still think that he should have been fired at the end of last season and was disappointed that he wasn't.

I'm not concerned about football criticism. We're here to talk football. I don't want to hear the personal insults and junk criticism about people's family or work ethic or what not.

You know my stance. Carroll's a great coach. He lifted us higher than we've ever been. But right now there is no good argument for what he and John have done with the roster. It's been a lot of mistakes mostly with failed trades and bad draft picks at key positions that have us where we're at. Not the OC or DC or the QB.

Given Pete Carroll has final say on the majority of this, it's mostly on him at this point. He's not doing things like he was doing them when he first got here where he was sifting rocks and building up draft picks and making late round players into superstars. Now he's trading for shiny toys that don't help much or do much. Making draft picks that don't work out at key positions like DE and RB. And generally not building this roster in the fashion we are accustomed to. He needs to get back to basics if he wants another build up to a Super Bowl roster.

[RiverDog]

Agreed about not taking shots at Russell, which is one of the reasons why I've been defending him. It's water under the bridge as he's no longer a Seahawk. Thanks for the memories.

But it's open season on Pete Carroll. I accept the fact that he's our coach and I hope he succeeds as that would mean that our team succeeds, but I still think that he should have been fired at the end of last season and was disappointed that he wasn't.

I'm not concerned about football criticism. We're here to talk football. I don't want to hear the personal insults and junk criticism about people's family or work ethic or what not.

That's how I see it. But some posters come in here to blow off steam, and that's fine with me. It's all in good fun. It's not like we have an audience of millions.

You know my stance. Carroll's a great coach. He lifted us higher than we've ever been. But right now there is no good argument for what he and John have done with the roster. It's been a lot of mistakes mostly with failed trades and bad draft picks at key positions that have us where we're at. Not the OC or DC or the QB.

Given Pete Carroll has final say on the majority of this, it's mostly on him at this point. He's not doing things like he was doing them when he first got here where he was sifting rocks and building up draft picks and making late round players into superstars. Now he's trading for shiny toys that don't help much or do much. Making draft picks that don't work out at key positions like DE and RB. And generally not building this roster in the fashion we are accustomed to. He needs to get back to basics if he wants another build up to a Super Bowl roster.

That's pretty much how I see things, too. But I was impressed with this year's draft as I felt it was the best one they've had since 2012, so who knows.

[Hawktawk]

What does “checked out “ mean ? It’s been reported by his teammates that he was checked out ? What did that mean ( these are the same sources that said he would leave . Does it mean slacking off ?
Rip me all you want . I’ve lauded Russels greatness over and over . He’s not the same . If I have any beliefs whatsoever he slacked it for 35 million in my jersey for 45 plus years I really lost a lot of respect . Maybe that’s why JODI ALLEN said “ we want people who are on board “ in her press remarks on Russ leaving .

He was a distraction in the end . That’s an analysis . I think the Seahawk team and coaching staff will make that evident in the season opener . They may lose but it won’t be for a lack of trying .
It’s ok to recognize the greatness of Russ and still recognize who he had become in the end . I make no apologies for doing so .