Schedule

[Hawktawk]

Don’t want to jump the gun but I’ve heard a rumor Seattle may play Denver in prime time week 1. Yahoo . Let’s find out . Also rumored broncos Rams on Christmas . We will know at 5

[RiverDog]

I was just going to start a thread about it. The 2022 full schedule release is tonight at 5pm PT. There's already been a number of games that have leaked besides the international series, so I wouldn't be surprised if what you've heard is correct.

The schedule release is always of prime interest to me as I try to make it to at least one road game and a couple of home games. There's a group of us that will meet at a Hawks away game, and in addition to the game in Munich, we're talking about hitting one of the two games we'll be playing in the $5 Billion stadium in LA as we're playing the Chargers there this season, too.

If someone would have told me 40 years ago that there'd be this much hype surrounding something that's such a seemingly trivial event, I'd told them that they were nuts. The league has timed the release so as to get the maximum amount of exposure in the news media as Thursdays are a travel day for many of MLB's teams.

[NorthHawk]

There was a story on PFt that suggested the NFL is moving towards a week long
schedule release. They like to keep the NFL in the news so that would fit that goal.

[TriCitySam]

Don’t want to jump the gun but I’ve heard a rumor Seattle may play Denver in prime time week 1. Yahoo . Let’s find out . Also rumored broncos Rams on Christmas . We will know at 5

That's what Florio is reporting

[RiverDog]

There was a story on PFt that suggested the NFL is moving towards a week long schedule release. They like to keep the NFL in the news so that would fit that goal.

It wouldn't surprise me. It's been the strategy of the league for quite some time to keep their sport in the news cycle year round.

I read an interesting book, "America's Game" by Michael McCambridge that talked about this strategy. It's a great read for those of us that are football fanatics.

[Hawktawk]

Hawks Donkeys MNF wow the nfl doesn’t waste an opportunity . Hopefully we don’t get those refs they have do our rams games no pressure on anyone

[obiken]

We got hosed we play every team in the AFC West!!

[Aseahawkfan]

We got hosed we play every team in the AFC West!!

So 10 games against two of the toughest divisions.

[Hawktawk]

Let’s get it on

[RiverDog]

We only have two games in Prime Time, and one of them is obviously driven by alure of Russell Wilson playing his old team in his old stomping grounds in the opener. The combination of a losing season and losing our star quarterback seems to have dampened the enthusiasm for our Hawks. It's fine by me as I've never been very excited about seeing my Hawks in Prime Time anyway as there's occasions where I'll meet up with the guys in the evening for a SNF or MNF game, and I'd rather not be distracted. When the Hawks are playing, I'm pretty focused.

Four out of our last 5 games are at home. That could be an advantage if we're still in the hunt by then. If not, there'll be a lot of very cheap tickets available. Who the hell wants to sit in an open air stadium in Seattle on New Year's Day and watch the Hawks play the Jets?

I've also noticed that in addition to playing our Munich game at 6:30am PT, it's going to be on NFL Network only. Our Thursday night game vs. the Niners on December 15th looks to be available on Prime Video only as are all Thursday Night games except for the 3 Thanksgiving games.

https://news.yahoo.com/analysis-amazon- ... 51323.html

Another oddity is that the bulk of Week 16 is being played on Saturday being that it happens to be Christmas Eve Day. They are treating Christmas Day as they would Thanksgiving, with 3 featured games (Packers vs. Fins, Donkeys vs. Rams, Bucs vs. Cards).

[Hawktawk]

We are being offered up as sacrificial lambs to 2 iconic QBs, Russ and Brady . Let’s get it on

[NorthHawk]

Apparently we are playing the 49ers on a Thursday night which is only broadcast on Amazon.
I'm not subscribed to Amazon and I'm not sure I will buy it just for Thursday night games.
I wonder if viewership will take an impact because of the sole rights to a streaming service?

[tarlhawk]

I think our season will be almost defined by our record after the first six games...playing a strong schedule is very beneficial to team growth as the roster gets younger...growing pains likely but our "easier" opponents seem to show up early...Denver will be a big test for our secondary and pass rush adjustments.

[NorthHawk]

An interesting schedule twist - the Packers are deferring their post London Bye week for later in the year.
I didn't know teams had a choice in moving their Bye week and it makes me wonder if it's only teams
playing in Europe that have that option.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... -for-rams/

[c_hawkbob]

I like the placement of our bye, both in that it follows the international game and that it is relatively mid season.

[NorthHawk]

It's probably the only schedule break we get this year.
Then again, it's always tougher when rebuilding.

[c_hawkbob]

It's probably the only schedule break we get this year.
Then again, it's always tougher when rebuilding.

True that.

As for game 1, no MNF doesn't shy away from revenge games, never have. In fact I think they were salivating over this one! I hope Russ has one of his 4 int. games without the game ending miracles (or at least with miracles that fall short), but I fear he might clean our collective clocks.

[RiverDog]

It's (when the bye falls) probably the only schedule break we get this year. Then again, it's always tougher when rebuilding.

True that.

As for game 1, no MNF doesn't shy away from revenge games, never have. In fact I think they were salivating over this one! I hope Russ has one of his 4 int. games without the game ending miracles (or at least with miracles that fall short), but I fear he might clean our collective clocks.

Having 4 of our last 5 games at home could be a huge break, depending on how the season plays out. We also have just one cold weather game, at Kansas City on 12/24.

Agreed about MNF, but I have no idea how it will turn out. Both teams are entering a different era. Denver's going to be in a test mode just as we will be.

[NorthHawk]

With Russell being who he is, we know he will be very well prepared.
And if you add in he's part of the group developing the playbook in Denver, he'll have a full understanding of what they want to do.
The question for Denver is how far along will the rest of the Offense be?
I think we have bigger question marks on Offense than they do and if they keep the same basic scheme on Defense they might be
better there, too.

In any case, it's going to be tough for our Offense to be really ready for the NFL starting this year.

[obiken]

We are being offered up as sacrificial lambs to 2 iconic QBs, Russ and Brady . Let’s get it on

Lets get it on???!! Are you outta your gord! We can win 5 games this year MAX, and that's giving us the Giants which is a pickem game to me. We do NOT beat the Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, Raiders, Rams 2x, Cards, Bucs. Now, where are going to get the wins bubba. Maybe the 9ers but we are not a better team than them. Atlanta, I give it to them but okay, you can make a case, but outside of the Jets, Saints, or Lions, I dont see any team that we are better than.

[tarlhawk]

We can win 5 games this year MAX, and that's giving us the Giants which is a pickem game to me. We do NOT beat the Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, Raiders, Rams 2x, Cards, Bucs. Now, where are going to get the wins bubba. Maybe the 9ers but we are not a better team than them. Atlanta, I give it to them but okay, you can make a case, but outside of the Jets, Saints, or Lions, I dont see any team that we are better than.

There are too many variables at play to have a "finger on the pulse" of what our team can and will accomplish...based on schedule alone. With the QB heavy opponents we'll see from this schedule...the quick outlook seems grim. Our improved secondary and perhaps "new" pass rush focus will be sorely tested as a defensive outlook. Our offense has "killer" play makers...but the strength of our various opponent's pass rushers will be sorely testing our new QB and his tackle protection. Pete will be leaning on both of his coordinators (newly promoted Clint Hurtt (on defense) and Shane Waldron (on offense with our newly promoted O-Line Coach Andy Dickerson) to guide our team thru these imminent challenges.

With so many variables we may yet become overachievers or rewarded by another round of high (2023) draft choices to edge our despair.

[Hawktawk]

It’s not a rebuild . We got rid of a team cancer and fading player who won 6 games last year and lost to 3 backups and numerous stiffs as well while spending the last season trashing his teammates and coaches , blaming them for his failures. You have no idea how bad these guys want to shut his mouth .

We released a great all time Hawk that was slowing down . Other than the locker room tackles 10 yards downfield v weren’t worth 20 million. Other than that almost every key free agent is back . We crushed the draft . We have at least one QB on the roster in Geno who is capable of more than replacing 2021 Russ . 3 others we don’t know

But Pete and john aren’t losing this 10 year debate without a fight . Bring it on little Russell . My theory about him lacking confidence and courage these days will be tested week one . Hopefully the refs let us play . Seahawks 27 - donkeys 16

[RiverDog]

It’s not a rebuild . We got rid of a team cancer and fading player who won 6 games last year and lost to 3 backups and numerous stiffs as well while spending the last season trashing his teammates and coaches , blaming them for his failures. You have no idea how bad these guys want to shut his mouth .

We released a great all time Hawk that was slowing down . Other than the locker room tackles 10 yards downfield v weren’t worth 20 million. Other than that almost every key free agent is back . We crushed the draft . We have at least one QB on the roster in Geno who is capable of more than replacing 2021 Russ . 3 others we don’t know

But Pete and john aren’t losing this 10 year debate without a fight . Bring it on little Russell . My theory about him lacking confidence and courage these days will be tested week one . Hopefully the refs let us play . Seahawks 27 - donkeys 16

Are we going to spend the next three months arguing about semantics, whether this season is considered a rebuild, retool, reboot, or whatever?

And while I might agree that Russell was "slowing down" as we do have some evidence of his diminished play, I'm not sure how you figure that he was a "team cancer". Specifically, who or what position group was it on the team that didn't get along with him? The offensive line? How do you know that his teammates and coaches were offended at his "trashing" them or that these guys want to "shut his mouth"?

You're assuming that the Seahawks players and coaches share the same feelings about Russell that you have.

[Aseahawkfan]

It’s not a rebuild . We got rid of a team cancer and fading player who won 6 games last year and lost to 3 backups and numerous stiffs as well while spending the last season trashing his teammates and coaches , blaming them for his failures. You have no idea how bad these guys want to shut his mouth .

We released a great all time Hawk that was slowing down . Other than the locker room tackles 10 yards downfield v weren’t worth 20 million. Other than that almost every key free agent is back . We crushed the draft . We have at least one QB on the roster in Geno who is capable of more than replacing 2021 Russ . 3 others we don’t know

But Pete and john aren’t losing this 10 year debate without a fight . Bring it on little Russell . My theory about him lacking confidence and courage these days will be tested week one . Hopefully the refs let us play . Seahawks 27 - donkeys 16

It is a rebuild.

One down year from Russell after his first serious injury is not a great test of his ability. Not sure why you think it is other than a personal bias against Russell. I have never seen any team mate of Russell's call him a team cancer, so not sure why you keep going there. I have never heard any of Russell's team mates or Pete or John ever have anything to say about Russ but compliments. So this seems to be solely your opinion not shared by anyone I know of including Russ's teammates.

Bobby was slowing down, but would have still been great to have if we were not rebuilding as his experience and leadership had not diminished. Not sure why you're attacking Bobby now when he had nothing to do with the poor defensive line he has playing in front of him now. That's all Pete and John missing on draft picks and not rebuilding the D-line which you don't seem to admit to even though it is as obvious as the sun rising.

This is not a debate. Pete and John did not trade Russ because they thought he could not play any more. They traded Russ because of some behind the scenes situation which we will never get the full information about. I'm quite sure Pete and John both know Russ gave them the best chance to win, but decided to let him go and start again like they did all those years ago and see if they can do something rebuilding without an expensive QB.

I don't know why you keep lying and rumor mongering. You should stop. It's not a good look. Not sure why you want to be a liar and rumormonger.

[obiken]

It’s not a rebuild . We got rid of a team cancer and fading player who won 6 games last year and lost to 3 backups and numerous stiffs as well while spending the last season trashing his teammates and coaches , blaming them for his failures. You have no idea how bad these guys want to shut his mouth .

We released a great all time Hawk that was slowing down . Other than the locker room tackles 10 yards downfield v weren’t worth 20 million. Other than that almost every key free agent is back . We crushed the draft . We have at least one QB on the roster in Geno who is capable of more than replacing 2021 Russ . 3 others we don’t know

But Pete and john aren’t losing this 10 year debate without a fight . Bring it on little Russell . My theory about him lacking confidence and courage these days will be tested week one . Hopefully the refs let us play . Seahawks 27 - donkeys 16

It is a rebuild, really a cancer, the guy holds passing and win records for the first 10 years of his career, and you’re calling him a cancer. All we have to do is get rid of Metcalf and would be an official rebuild. What makes you think it’s not?

[Hawktawk]

It’s not a rebuild . We got rid of a team cancer and fading player who won 6 games last year and lost to 3 backups and numerous stiffs as well while spending the last season trashing his teammates and coaches , blaming them for his failures. You have no idea how bad these guys want to shut his mouth .

We released a great all time Hawk that was slowing down . Other than the locker room tackles 10 yards downfield v weren’t worth 20 million. Other than that almost every key free agent is back . We crushed the draft . We have at least one QB on the roster in Geno who is capable of more than replacing 2021 Russ . 3 others we don’t know

But Pete and john aren’t losing this 10 year debate without a fight . Bring it on little Russell . My theory about him lacking confidence and courage these days will be tested week one . Hopefully the refs let us play . Seahawks 27 - donkeys 16

It is a rebuild.

One down year from Russell after his first serious injury is not a great test of his ability. Not sure why you think it is other than a personal bias against Russell. I have never seen any team mate of Russell's call him a team cancer, so not sure why you keep going there. I have never heard any of Russell's team mates or Pete or John ever have anything to say about Russ but compliments. So this seems to be solely your opinion not shared by anyone I know of including Russ's teammates.

Bobby was slowing down, but would have still been great to have if we were not rebuilding as his experience and leadership had not diminished. Not sure why you're attacking Bobby now when he had nothing to do with the poor defensive line he has playing in front of him now. That's all Pete and John missing on draft picks and not rebuilding the D-line which you don't seem to admit to even though it is as obvious as the sun rising.

This is not a debate. Pete and John did not trade Russ because they thought he could not play any more. They traded Russ because of some behind the scenes situation which we will never get the full information about. I'm quite sure Pete and John both know Russ gave them the best chance to win, but decided to let him go and start again like they did all those years ago and see if they can do something rebuilding without an expensive QB.

I don't know why you keep lying and rumor mongering. You should stop. It's not a good look. Not sure why you want to be a liar and rumormonger.

Not attacking Bobby just analyzing his play . Love Bobby . Love Russ too but in the end yeah 35 million guy “ hey Seattle we got a deal “ weird AF with his wife in bed. The last year and a half he played line a guy that got hit too much

[NorthHawk]

Here are some of the expected DE/OLBs that our young line will face up until the Bye week.
Some of these players play inside as well but the NFL is notorious for finding a weakness and exploiting it so if one or both of the OTs
aren't yet ready (and they probably won't be fully ready for a couple of years), it's going to be tough keeping the QB's upright.
H is home and A is away.

Denver (H)
Bradley Chubb
Randy Gregory
Nik Bonitto ( R-possible)


SF (A)
Nick Bosa
Dee Ford


Atlanta (H)
Nobody of note


Detroit (A)
Michael Brockers
Aidan Hutchinson (R-possible)


NO (A)
Cameron Jordan
Marcus Davenport
Taco Charlton (possible)


Arizona (H)
JJ Watt
Marcus Golden


Chargers (A)
Joey Bosa
Khalil Mack


Giants (H)
Dexter Lawrence
Kayvon Thibodeaux


Arizona (A)
JJ Watt
Marcus Golden


Bucs (A - GERMANY)
Shaquil Barrett
William Gholston

[Hawktawk]

Here are some of the expected DE/OLBs that our young line will face up until the Bye week.
Some of these players play inside as well but the NFL is notorious for finding a weakness and exploiting it so if one or both of the OTs
aren't yet ready (and they probably won't be fully ready for a couple of years), it's going to be tough keeping the QB's upright.
H is home and A is away.

Denver (H)
Bradley Chubb
Randy Gregory
Nik Bonitto ( R-possible)


SF (A)
Nick Bosa
Dee Ford


Atlanta (H)
Nobody of note


Detroit (A)
Michael Brockers
Aidan Hutchinson (R-possible)


NO (A)
Cameron Jordan
Marcus Davenport
Taco Charlton (possible)


Arizona (H)
JJ Watt
Marcus Golden


Chargers (A)
Joey Bosa
Khalil Mack


Giants (H)
Dexter Lawrence
Kayvon Thibodeaux


Arizona (A)
JJ Watt
Marcus Golden


Bucs (A - GERMANY)
Shaquil Barrett
William Gholston

Yeah so what everyone in the division plays those guys . And you forgot the Raiders bookends including Chandler Jones who strip 6d Russ in his final game here . It made Az we play twice much easier and the raiders who Russ plays twice much harder . It’s the NFL. We will put pressure on people too , our defense will be much improved . And we will run right at every one of those guys too .

[NorthHawk]

We don’t play the Raiders until after the bye week.
The point I was making was the challenge for our really raw OTs including the players we had last year.
Running at them won’t help much because most of those players are strong against the run, too.

If we keep the same pattern we won’t put pressure on the edges as we rarely run wide, swing the
ball out to the RBs, use bubble screens or use the RPO anymore.
This means the DEs job is much simpler with fewer responsibilities. The north/south aspect of
Peteball limits pressuring the edges even though it fits into the conservative nature of his style
of Offense.

[Hawktawk]

We have no idea what the 2022 Seattle offense will look like . We know we have 2 1000 plus yard receivers , Swain who had like 4 50 plus house calls getting lost in coverage . Eskridge reminds me of Harvin . We have a bevy of tight ends including Dissley a deceptive receiving threat , Parkinson and of course Noah fant who was Denver’s most difficult matchup . We have a projected starter in Penney who averaged 6.7 yards per carry last 6 games last year . Kenneth Walker III is a threat to take his Carrie’s according to multiple analysis . I coujd see us averageing 28 to 32 points a game .

[NorthHawk]

We’ve had 3 different OCs and still the same Offense. There’s no reason to think it will change now.
As for the 2 1000 yard receivers, well that was with a Pro Bowl caliber QB so it’s hard to see them
duplicate that productivity with lesser talent throwing them the ball.

[Hawktawk]

We’ve had 3 different OCs and still the same Offense. There’s no reason to think it will change now.
As for the 2 1000 yard receivers, well that was with a Pro Bowl caliber QB so it’s hard to see them
duplicate that productivity with lesser talent throwing them the ball.

We have had Russel at QB for all these coordinators . He doesn’t run the offense whatever it is at least the last year and a half . Whatever else one thought of Geno he threw over the middle , took what was there . In his first start in 5 years he led scoring drives on 4 of the last 5 drives to get to Ot. Our demise is greatly exaggerated

[NorthHawk]

One of the biggest reasons Wilson wanted out was his lack of influence in how it would function.
We saw that with the let Russ cook narrative and further discussions of how it wasn’t or isn’t
an Offense made for today’s game. Nothing has changed from that standpoint.

[RiverDog]

We have had Russel at QB for all these coordinators . He doesn’t run the offense whatever it is at least the last year and a half . Whatever else one thought of Geno he threw over the middle , took what was there . In his first start in 5 years he led scoring drives on 4 of the last 5 drives to get to Ot. Our demise is greatly exaggerated

So our failures of the past 7 years is due primarily to our quarterback play, is that what you're saying?

I don't disagree that Russell had digressed some and that he bears a good deal of responsibility for our past failures. But if there's something that's greatly exaggerated, it's your assigning him so much of the blame.

It's not Russell's fault that our defense went from being one of the most feared defenses of the 21st century to one of the worst in the league.

[tarlhawk]

Failures of our "past 7 years" sounds more like a political mantra than a true reflection ...on 2021 being our only losing season in the same "past 7 seasons". The complexity and numerous variables that create an NFL season are dismissed by such idle banter. Its akin to a "spoiled" child reminded of his parents giving him the security of a good home and loving atmosphere...only for the kid to respond like "yeah but you never game me a new car...like Johnny got"

[RiverDog]

Failures of our "past 7 years" sounds more like a political mantra than a true reflection ...on 2021 being our only losing season in the same "past 7 seasons". The complexity and numerous variables that create an NFL season are dismissed by such idle banter. Its akin to a "spoiled" child reminded of his parents giving him the security of a good home and loving atmosphere...only for the kid to respond like "yeah but you never game me a new car...like Johnny got"

That's where we digress. I don't consider simply winning more games than we lose a success. I want to see some real progress towards getting our team back to what it once was, and I view these past 7 seasons as simply treading water.

As far as my being a "spoiled child", I suppose that there is some truth to that being that we've been to the SB rather frequently in the past 15 or so years, more so than most teams. Nevertheless, I'm not satisfied until we're standing on a podium hoisting the Lombardi, and quite frankly, anyone that accepts less or settles for 2nd best has a loser mentality.

[Hawktawk]

[quote="RiverDog"]We have had Russel at QB for all these coordinators . He doesn’t run the offense whatever it is at least the last year and a half . Whatever else one thought of Geno he threw over the middle , took what was there . In his first start in 5 years he led scoring drives on 4 of the last 5 drives to get to Ot. Our demise is greatly exaggerated

So our failures of the past 7 years is due primarily to our quarterback play, is that what you're saying?

I don't disagree that Russell had digressed some and that he bears a good deal of responsibility for our past failures. But if there's something that's greatly exaggerated, it's your assigning him so much of the blame.

It's not Russell's fault that our defense went from being one of the most feared defenses of the 21st century to one of the worst in the league.



A quarterback who is constantly behind the sticks completing 42% on 3rd down affects a defense greatly . But of course it’s not a hall of fame unit anymore . That’s what happens when the stars suck up
The money .

. As for 7 years of failure I don’t even agree with that analysis . I’m not going to call playoff seasons failures per se . Disappointing ? Under achieving ? Sure. And to that degree sure Russ has to accept some blame for those postseason exits . Hard to say it’s the scheme when you go 10-6 to 12-4 , score a record number of points for the franchise then lose 30-20 to the Rams with a pick 6 , a garbage time TD to even make it appear closer than it was . 11-29 against a team he beat 3 weeks earlier and has never beaten again . But if Russ had lots to do with the postseason exits he’s had a lot to do with the playoff berths too. That was then . Last year he went 0-3 vs backups , 2 on bad teams .

My analysis of what I believe to be his decline is last year and a half coupled with the toxic environment he had created in the organization. He’s truly been hurting us more than helping for a while now and I think some people will be surprised how Seattle respond to seeing him again so soon

[Aseahawkfan]

A quarterback who is constantly behind the sticks completing 42% on 3rd down affects a defense greatly . But of course it’s not a hall of fame unit anymore . That’s what happens when the stars suck up
The money .

. As for 7 years of failure I don’t even agree with that analysis . I’m not going to call playoff seasons failures per se . Disappointing ? Under achieving ? Sure. And to that degree sure Russ has to accept some blame for those postseason exits . Hard to say it’s the scheme when you go 10-6 to 12-4 , score a record number of points for the franchise then lose 30-20 to the Rams with a pick 6 , a garbage time TD to even make it appear closer than it was . 11-29 against a team he beat 3 weeks earlier and has never beaten again . But if Russ had lots to do with the postseason exits he’s had a lot to do with the playoff berths too. That was then . Last year he went 0-3 vs backups , 2 on bad teams .

My analysis of what I believe to be his decline is last year and a half coupled with the toxic environment he had created in the organization. He’s truly been hurting us more than helping for a while now and I think some people will be surprised how Seattle respond to seeing him again so soon

You are just making this crap up about Russ.

I do agree there is no 7 years of failure. That's just ridiculous. Making the playoffs is the goal. Advancing far isn't a given. Winning a Super Bowl is not at all a realistic expectation. So if that is the only idea of success, then that fan is going to be disappointed 90 percent plus of the time. They can pretend they're as hardcore as they want, but Super Bowl victories are exceedingly rare and going just a little bit less rare. Only guy who has ever gone to a Super Bowl roughly 50% of the time is Tom Brady. He's the only one to do it with Bill B, the only coach to do it. If you're expecting to be the Patriots, well, it's not gonna happen. There's only been one team like that in NFL history and no other even legendary franchise has come close. There is only New England with Bill B and Tom Brady. They stand alone as the greatest championship head coach and QB in NFL history. No one is likely to ever touch their accomplishment.

[Stream Hawk]

I agree it would be unrealistic to expect Super Bowl every year. *Although I was expecting a Super Bowl before the 2013 season. I knew that team had the Juice!

It would also be reasonable to expect deeper playoff runs every year. A team with that continued success brings satisfaction every year. So just making to the NFC championship would be pretty great. Making it to the final 4 (obviously) greatly increases the likelihood of a Super Bowl berth. Hopefully we get to go back/come close within the next couple years. The past 6 or 7 seasons have been demoralizing as we were never remotely competitive beyond the wildcard games. Mediocrity sucks.

[tarlhawk]

Nevertheless, I'm not satisfied until we're standing on a podium hoisting the Lombardi, and quite frankly, anyone that accepts less or settles for 2nd best has a loser mentality.

Well ..."loser mentality" over something that is pure entertainment? I'm beginning to see you in a different light...sadly so.