2022 NFL Draft

[obiken]

punk was a bad choice of words . Russ is a good dude personally . But he disrespected It has nothing to do with word police, it's a personal insult that would earn one a knuckle sandwich in a lot of situation. You were called out for using it in the manner you did, and rightfully so IMO. By all accounts, Russell is a good guy.
Again, kudos for admitting to the mistake.

Punk is someone that pretends to be tough and is really afraid. (Sorry I worked in a Prison) Jerk is someone that is just arrogant. You can be a punky jerk, ala Donald Trump. Russ is not afraid, there are not many punks in the NFL, jerks abound.
River, we have never really talked about it but I think Russ rocks in Denver, I would be cheering for him IF he wast't in a Donkey dress. He has a way better line than in Seattle, good running game, 4 good WR's, and a good TE. Their Defensive line will be the best in the league IF they stay healthy. No doubt massive pressure, and I think to have a successful year he has to make it to the Divisional round. I just think Hawktalk is more wrong than anything else, but time will tell. IF we win 8 games this year I will be surprised.

[RiverDog]

River, we have never really talked about it but I think Russ rocks in Denver, I would be cheering for him IF he wast't in a Donkey dress. He has a way better line than in Seattle, good running game, 4 good WR's, and a good TE. Their Defensive line will be the best in the league IF they stay healthy. No doubt massive pressure, and I think to have a successful year he has to make it to the Divisional round. I just think Hawktalk is more wrong than anything else, but time will tell. IF we win 8 games this year I will be surprised.

I don't know how Russell will perform in Denver. As I mentioned in another thread, he's in a tough division with a lot of good pass rushers, plus this year, they're playing our division with guys like Aaron Donald and Nick Bosa. If he holds onto the ball forever like he did on a lot of occasions here, it could be a long season for them. But Russell is a competitor, and he'll be working his tail off to make things work as he has something to prove.

I'll be surprised if we win 8 games, too. Winning 8 would give us a good shot at making the playoffs, the epitome of a good season for many.

[NorthHawk]

He's in a good place in the sense that everyone is new to the HC and the development of the playbook will have Wilson's input and direction.
That's not to say he's creating the plays, but that he has influence and is in on the building of the playbook. It means he will have a deep
understanding of the concepts and philosophy Hackett and the OC want to run. He will from the start be a coach on the field which should
mean success fairly early.

[Hawktawk]

What I said is “many of my friends thought he was a punk in the end” my bad choice . If I had said jerk? Is that ok word police ? For the greatness of Russ over the last couple years and especially starting in 2020 he began demonstrating a complete lack of leadership , popped off publicly about the roster being inadequate ( his teammates ) . Complained about the offense but when you’re running 42% completions on 3rd down you may as well run the single wing . Blame shifting . A lack of accountability . A lack of work ethic . (Yeah I said it and can defend it).

Punk was a bad choice of words . Russ is a good dude personally . But he disrespected my rag greatly in the last 12 months and it’s gonna take me a while . I think he’s not going to be able to save Denver in that brutal division if he couldn’t win over guys like Colt MCCoy and Nick Foles here. Let’s see. I’ve got 1000 pages defending Russ and I give him his due , his greatness in his prime here to this moment . It’s just been over for awhile longer then his most ardent fans noticed .

Glad you manned up and admitted that you were guilty of using a poor choice of words.

"Punk" and "jerk" are synonymous in my book. It has nothing to do with word police, it's a personal insult that would earn one a knuckle sandwich in a lot of situation. You were called out for using it in the manner you did, and rightfully so IMO. By all accounts, Russell is a good guy.

Again, kudos for admitting to the mistake.

Russ seems to be generally a good guy . Whatever you want to call it though his performance as a Seattle icon , his departure and complete dishonesty , intentionally misleading the fans , dusrespecting his teammates by complaining he needed more help , more protection, more influence in the game plan . And dissect my comments on losing to backups and journeymen . Good luck with Mahomes , Herbert and Carr twice a year , I’ll be fascinated to see how Carr plays having seen Russ publicly reveal Vegas as somewhere he would play .

chandler Jones who strip sacked him with the raiders now and specifically mentioned getting to rush Wilson twice a year as one of his favorite things about the trade . Bosa and Mack in SD. And can we quit with the offense ? It doesn’t matter what it is Russ hasn’t run it in years . It’s off schedule stuff that made him and I don’t know how many wide open crossers he ignored the last few years to load up a deep ball. The last time we had a balanced offense was Bevfool , pistol, read , run , play D, take a few shots .

I truly don’t thjnk he’s going to a very good situation with a first time HC in a division with plenty of experience . I don’t envy Hackett . He’s going to have to have some backbone or he will get run over like Pete did .

[RiverDog]

Russ seems to be generally a good guy . Whatever you want to call it though his performance as a Seattle icon , his departure and complete dishonesty , intentionally misleading the fans , dusrespecting his teammates by complaining he needed more help , more protection, more influence in the game plan . And dissect my comments on losing to backups and journeymen . Good luck with Mahomes , Herbert and Carr twice a year , I’ll be fascinated to see how Carr plays having seen Russ publicly reveal Vegas as somewhere he would play .

chandler Jones who strip sacked him with the raiders now and specifically mentioned getting to rush Wilson twice a year as one of his favorite things about the trade . Bosa and Mack in SD. And can we quit with the offense ? It doesn’t matter what it is Russ hasn’t run it in years . It’s off schedule stuff that made him and I don’t know how many wide open crossers he ignored the last few years to load up a deep ball. The last time we had a balanced offense was Bevfool , pistol, read , run , play D, take a few shots .

I truly don’t thjnk he’s going to a very good situation with a first time HC in a division with plenty of experience . I don’t envy Hackett . He’s going to have to have some backbone or he will get run over like Pete did .

Keep in mind that Russell wasn't the only person in the RW to Denver trade that was dishonest about it. Just a week before the trade, when the two teams were obviously having serious discussions about it, Pete Carroll flatly denied that we were even considering trading Russell. You've chosen to pick out one actor in the drama and portray him as the villain while blowing kisses at the other.

Lying and dishonesty are part of the game. It's so public and with so many reporters demanding answers out of coaches and athletes alike, they are forced to lie to them just to get them out of their face. And if they are vague in their answers, they'll raise even more questions and the heat gets turned up even further with speculation. It's one reason why I don't emulate either coaches or players, why I take what they say with a grain of salt, why I'm not as upset as you apparently are. I don't like it any better than you do, but I've accepted it as par for the course and try not to be too judgmental about Russ and Pete as you have.

I don't like how things came to an end, but I've been down this road before. M's fans will remember how Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey Jr., and Alex Rodriguez departed our team. Same way with Hutch. A lot of people laugh at my pledge never to wear another player's name or number on my back, but it's due to how these players leave their fan base that has caused me to become very callous to them and why I'm neither shocked nor upset when they do.

[tarlhawk]

Its always hard as a fan to witness the ugly business side of professional sports...some teams are able to keep that side hidden until second/third contracts of popular players begin to take its toll (business risk).

[RiverDog]

Its always hard as a fan to witness the ugly business side of professional sports...some teams are able to keep that side hidden until second/third contracts of popular players begin to take its toll (business risk).

Having been born in 1954, I grew up well before the days of free agency in all sports. It used to be that teams essentially owned players, indeed, the Supreme Court eventually used the 13th Amendment, the one that outlawed slavery, to justify their decision to abolish the reserve clause. It was a living hell for players, but for us fans, we didn't have to worry about our heroes leaving to play for the highest bidder unless their team decided to trade them. Willie Mays was always a Giant, Paul Hornung a Packer.

It was quite a shock for me personally when players began to change teams. It was back then that I started losing my appreciation for the individual player and became more a fan of the team than the individual than I had been before. It used to be that if the team played poorly but if an individual player did well, it gave me some solace. Seahawk losses were sufferable if Steve Largent continued his consecutive game streak of catching a pass alive. Not anymore. I couldn't give a rip how many home run titles or touchdowns accumulate over the season. All I care about now is the team.

[Hawktawk]

Keep in mind that Russell wasn't the only person in the RW to Denver trade that was dishonest about it. Just a week before the trade, when the two teams were obviously having serious discussions about it, Pete Carroll flatly denied that we were even considering trading Russell. You've chosen to pick out one actor in the drama and portray him as the villain while blowing kisses at the other.

Lying and dishonesty are part of the game. It's so public and with so many reporters demanding answers out of coaches and athletes alike, they are forced to lie to them just to get them out of their face. And if they are vague in their answers, they'll raise even more questions and the heat gets turned up even further with speculation. It's one reason why I don't emulate either coaches or players, why I take what they say with a grain of salt, why I'm not as upset as you apparently are. I don't like it any better than you do, but I've accepted it as par for the course and try not to be too judgmental about Russ and Pete as you have.

I don't like how things came to an end, but I've been down this road before. M's fans will remember how Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey Jr., and Alex Rodriguez departed our team. Same way with Hutch. A lot of people laugh at my pledge never to wear another player's name or number on my back, but it's due to how these players leave their fan base that has caused me to become very callous to them and why I'm neither shocked nor upset when they do.

There’s Pete and John being coy as they had to be ,john said almost nothing . Pete said “we are not shopping Russell but we are always looking to improve our team” kind of political mealy mouth .

But then there’s Russ within weeks of a trade telling Seattle FANS lies “ I want to win 3 more and hope it’s here “ openly mocking suggestions of a trade to the Commanders “ I like being on the west coast” arguing with an ESPN reporter “ you guys just invent stuff”. All this while he’s watching Denver film , having his apparel company producing orange theme butt ugly clothing to be released when his trade went through . No that is lying to lie , to be a narcissist and be the center of attention

All of a sudden he’s let’s ride. He and Ciara adopted a dog and named it bronco after 10 years of so charming it’s alarming seeing it just a flip of a switch it’s clear he’s cared more about himself and his image than winning for a while now .

[c_hawkbob]

Keep in mind that Russell wasn't the only person in the RW to Denver trade that was dishonest about it. Just a week before the trade, when the two teams were obviously having serious discussions about it, Pete Carroll flatly denied that we were even considering trading Russell. You've chosen to pick out one actor in the drama and portray him as the villain while blowing kisses at the other.

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There’s Pete and John being coy as they had to be ,john said almost nothing . Pete said “we are not shopping Russell but we are always looking to improve our team” kind of political mealy mouth .

But then there’s Russ within weeks of a trade telling Seattle FANS lies “ I want to win 3 more and hope it’s here “ openly mocking suggestions of a trade to the Commanders “ I like being on the west coast” arguing with an ESPN reporter “ you guys just invent stuff”. All this while he’s watching Denver film , having his apparel company producing orange theme butt ugly clothing to be released when his trade went through . No that is lying to lie , to be a narcissist and be the center of attention

All of a sudden he’s let’s ride. He and Ciara adopted a dog and named it bronco after 10 years of so charming it’s alarming seeing it just a flip of a switch it’s clear he’s cared more about himself and his image than winning for a while now .

Dude, that's you illustrating his point, not refuting it. Nothing Russ said was couched as an absolute; "I hope it's here" allows for the possibility that it may not be. Whereas Pete flat out lies couching what he said as an absolute, but for him that's just being coy. Your bias is obvious and undeniable.

[RiverDog]

Keep in mind that Russell wasn't the only person in the RW to Denver trade that was dishonest about it. Just a week before the trade, when the two teams were obviously having serious discussions about it, Pete Carroll flatly denied that we were even considering trading Russell. You've chosen to pick out one actor in the drama and portray him as the villain while blowing kisses at the other.

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There’s Pete and John being coy as they had to be ,john said almost nothing . Pete said “we are not shopping Russell but we are always looking to improve our team” kind of political mealy mouth .

But then there’s Russ within weeks of a trade telling Seattle FANS lies “ I want to win 3 more and hope it’s here “ openly mocking suggestions of a trade to the Commanders “ I like being on the west coast” arguing with an ESPN reporter “ you guys just invent stuff”. All this while he’s watching Denver film , having his apparel company producing orange theme butt ugly clothing to be released when his trade went through . No that is lying to lie , to be a narcissist and be the center of attention

All of a sudden he’s let’s ride. He and Ciara adopted a dog and named it bronco after 10 years of so charming it’s alarming seeing it just a flip of a switch it’s clear he’s cared more about himself and his image than winning for a while now .

Dude, that's you illustrating his point, not refuting it. Nothing Russ said was couched as an absolute; "I hope it's here" allows for the possibility that it may not be. Whereas Pete flat out lies couching what he said as an absolute, but for him that's just being coy. Your bias is obvious and undeniable.

Although I think that Russell was a little more dishonest with us than you've portrayed him, there's absolutely no doubt that Pete Carroll lied his ass off.

On March 2nd, Pete said " We have no intention of making any move there (trading Russell). On March 8th, the Russell Wilson trade news broke. That was an undeniable, blatant bold faced lie. There is no way that a trade of that magnitude and complexity which involved a franchise quarterback with a no trade clause, 5 draft choices, and 3 players goes from "no intention" to "done deal" in such a short amount of time.

It's obvious except to those with their heads in the sand that this trade was in the works for at least a month, if not longer. Both Pete and Russell were very disingenuous with their fans.

[Hawktawk]

So is yours Bob. The only reason anyone had to deny anything is because Russ demanded out . But even then he couldn’t just say it , saying Seattle had reached out to the Broncos . Uh yeah after several years of his demands . A year ago his agent leaked 4 teams including 2 in Dallas and Vegas with established QBs . I hear what a great guy he is but he publicly lobbied for one of his peers job . What kind of guy does that ?

Bring on Vegas twice a year . Carr is beloved by his teammates .

[c_hawkbob]

Show me proof Russ demanded out. Not indications to your mind, proof.

[tarlhawk]

You guys are getting a bit carried away with semantics of what clearly was a high stakes "business venture". Both sides had good reasons to play everything off till John Schneider had made it a done deal. Both sides clearly knew it was in the works...thats business politics...you don't reveal anything while "negotiations" are in progress. Fans are going to want to place "blame" on anything that seemed distasteful with the results being unpopular for both sides. Thru his agent and collective "team" RW used passion aggression to reveal it as a possibility but his hand was very unlikely "forced" being in possession of a "no trade" clause...while Pete and John Schneider played a "good cop" "bad cop" roles when the idea of getting RW to agree to an extension to lower his cap hit an impasse...(speculation) reached an impasse. Doesn't matter "how" or "why" it happened we offer fan "support" thru buying merchandise or watching games on television...nothing in control of the business model the NFL utilizes. It's sad...but he didn't take the team with him...there was "buy-in" on both sides...and our team moves on with best wishes for both sides to benefit. Go Hawks

[Hawktawk]

Show me proof Russ demanded out. Not indications to your mind, proof.

4 teams leaked a year earlier after public complaints about the roster Etc. the fact JS did not bite on a huge offer from Chicago proved this was not their idea and they did what they could to meet his demands .

Bob maybe I’m too hard on Russ but after 45 years as a fan it’s my right . You’re far too easy on him . It’s pretty clear he wanted out according to the same sources that were dead right about the trade rumors . If you can not accept Russ wanted out and made clear to Seattle he would not sign an extension then you’re struggling with the reality of the situation . It’s ok to say he was great and that in the end he wanted out , “checked out”( That means not 100% preparation and effort , not mentally focused on being the Seahawk qb for 35 mil) those are those same anonymous sources who have been dead right about all of the other stuff .
What were john and Pete supposed to do ?

[Aseahawkfan]

There’s Pete and John being coy as they had to be ,john said almost nothing . Pete said “we are not shopping Russell but we are always looking to improve our team” kind of political mealy mouth .

But then there’s Russ within weeks of a trade telling Seattle FANS lies “ I want to win 3 more and hope it’s here “ openly mocking suggestions of a trade to the Commanders “ I like being on the west coast” arguing with an ESPN reporter “ you guys just invent stuff”. All this while he’s watching Denver film , having his apparel company producing orange theme butt ugly clothing to be released when his trade went through . No that is lying to lie , to be a narcissist and be the center of attention

All of a sudden he’s let’s ride. He and Ciara adopted a dog and named it bronco after 10 years of so charming it’s alarming seeing it just a flip of a switch it’s clear he’s cared more about himself and his image than winning for a while now .

None of this was all of a sudden. Russ was here for 10 years. Both sides had the power to stay with the team and they both decided to part ways. Russ cannot force his way out just as Rodgers and Murray cannot force their way out. Rodgers and Murray were far worse than Russ in pushing for a trade publicly. So the decision to move Russ was Pete and John's. Russ has input, but cannot force the team to trade him. The likely talked a lot and both sides decided parting was the best decision.

Once a trade is made, the player needs to fully commit to the new team.

That's the business they are in.

None of that changes Russ is a high character man. And that Pete Carroll and John Schneider are both higher character guys too.

We're all loyal to the team, not the players. So thanks for the ten years Russ, good luck in Denver after a hopefully losing season this year.

[RiverDog]

You guys are getting a bit carried away with semantics of what clearly was a high stakes "business venture". Both sides had good reasons to play everything off till John Schneider had made it a done deal. Both sides clearly knew it was in the works...thats business politics...you don't reveal anything while "negotiations" are in progress. Fans are going to want to place "blame" on anything that seemed distasteful with the results being unpopular for both sides. Thru his agent and collective "team" RW used passion aggression to reveal it as a possibility but his hand was very unlikely "forced" being in possession of a "no trade" clause...while Pete and John Schneider played a "good cop" "bad cop" roles when the idea of getting RW to agree to an extension to lower his cap hit an impasse...(speculation) reached an impasse. Doesn't matter "how" or "why" it happened we offer fan "support" thru buying merchandise or watching games on television...nothing in control of the business model the NFL utilizes. It's sad...but he didn't take the team with him...there was "buy-in" on both sides...and our team moves on with best wishes for both sides to benefit. Go Hawks

The voice of reason. I agree completely.

As I said, both Pete and Russell were, at the very least disingenuous with their fans during the past few months, if not years, and although I don't particularly like how either one of them handled it, I completely understand why they acted like they did.

It's water under the bridge now. No sense crying over spilled milk. Or any other of the half dozen or so old sayings that my old man used to codger up to draw an an analogy that would apply to our current situation.

[c_hawkbob]

Thru his agent and collective "team" RW used passion aggression to reveal it as a possibility but his hand was very unlikely "forced" being in possession of a "no trade" clause...while Pete and John Schneider played a "good cop" "bad cop" roles when the idea of getting RW to agree to an extension to lower his cap hit an impasse...(speculation) reached an impasse.

Never happened. In fact Russ offered to do exactly that and they chose not to. I'm quite certain Russ was standing firm in wanting a greater hand in the offense and possibly involvement in some personnel decisions but he was always willing to stay and I believe him when he said he wished his career had continued here. Arron Roger actually tried to "force" his way out, Deshaun Watson did force his way out, look to those two for what that really looks like. Russ merely made it clear that if he couldn't get what he wanted in Seattle he'd be willing to do so elsewhere. If you can't see the difference I'm sorry for you.

[RiverDog]

Thru his agent and collective "team" RW used passion aggression to reveal it as a possibility but his hand was very unlikely "forced" being in possession of a "no trade" clause...while Pete and John Schneider played a "good cop" "bad cop" roles when the idea of getting RW to agree to an extension to lower his cap hit an impasse...(speculation) reached an impasse.

Never happened. In fact Russ offered to do exactly that and they chose not to. I'm quite certain Russ was standing firm in wanting a greater hand in the offense and possibly involvement in some personnel decisions but he was always willing to stay and I believe him when he said he wished his career had continued here. Arron Roger actually tried to "force" his way out, Deshaun Watson did force his way out, look to those two for what that really looks like. Russ merely made it clear that if he couldn't get what he wanted in Seattle he'd be willing to do so elsewhere. If you can't see the difference I'm sorry for you.

With a no trade clause, if Russell's "intent" was to play for the Hawks the rest of his career, he damn sure could have had he wanted to as badly as he claimed. Keep in mind that he didn't just say that he didn't intend to waive his no trade clause, he put multiple exclamation points behind it by saying that "I’ve always wanted to play here for my whole career, obviously" and "For the city, I hope I play my whole career here." Russell also attempted to minimize the breach between him and Pete by saying "I think there were some unfortunate frustrations after the season. Obviously you want to win it all and do it all, and do everything you can. I think everybody on our team does. We all want to win it. I think, unfortunately, it got a little bit blown out of proportion."

In other words: Naw, you guys got it all wrong. Things between Pete and me aren't as bad as everyone's making them out to be. What a croc!

While I don't think that Russell's statements were as blatant of a lie as Pete said when he claimed that they weren't considering a trade a week before one of the biggest trades in the decade occurred and I don't blame Russell for answering as he did, they were still very disingenuous. He was setting himself up not to be the bad guy should a trade happen.

[tarlhawk]

Never happened. In fact Russ offered to do exactly that and they chose not to. I'm quite certain Russ was standing firm in wanting a greater hand in the offense and possibly involvement in some personnel decisions but he was always willing to stay and I believe him when he said he wished his career had continued here. Arron Roger actually tried to "force" his way out, Deshaun Watson did force his way out, look to those two for what that really looks like. Russ merely made it clear that if he couldn't get what he wanted in Seattle he'd be willing to do so elsewhere. If you can't see the difference I'm sorry for you.

Let your sorrow continue as an RW apologist...I argued many times for valid reasons to indicate Russell was sincere in wanting to play his career here...what insider knowledge do you have that RW was willing to sign a reasonable extension? Your "quite certain" statement still rings of a "strong" opinion vice any supporting back-up. Is all authority in question at some point? Why should a QB be able to question personnel decisions off the field and coaching decisions on the field? These decisions are made by highly paid individuals hired by the owner to bring success to a "TEAM" that all associated with the team benefit from. QBs should get a third of the salary cap AND have a strong influence on who the team hires and what play calling occurs in the game? I'm sorry you don't see the hazard of allowing such an environment to exist...

[c_hawkbob]

Never happened. In fact Russ offered to do exactly that and they chose not to. I'm quite certain Russ was standing firm in wanting a greater hand in the offense and possibly involvement in some personnel decisions but he was always willing to stay and I believe him when he said he wished his career had continued here. Arron Roger actually tried to "force" his way out, Deshaun Watson did force his way out, look to those two for what that really looks like. Russ merely made it clear that if he couldn't get what he wanted in Seattle he'd be willing to do so elsewhere. If you can't see the difference I'm sorry for you.

Let your sorrow continue as an RW apologist...I argued many times for valid reasons to indicate Russell was sincere in wanting to play his career here...what insider knowledge do you have that RW was willing to sign a reasonable extension? Your "quite certain" statement still rings of a "strong" opinion vice any supporting back-up. Is all authority in question at some point? Why should a QB be able to question personnel decisions off the field and coaching decisions on the field? These decisions are made by highly paid individuals hired by the owner to bring success to a "TEAM" that all associated with the team benefit from. QBs should get a third of the salary cap AND have a strong influence on who the team hires and what play calling occurs in the game? I'm sorry you don't see the hazard of allowing such an environment to exist...

Contract talks between Jamal Adams, Seahawks at a standstill; Russell Wilson willing to restructure his deal

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... r-sources/

Knock off the apologist crap, I make no apologies on his behalf at all, and I don't think they are necessary. Meanwhile, honestly do compare things Russ said to things Rogers and Watson said, objectively, and see if you can tell the difference.

[tarlhawk]

Knock off the apologist crap, I make no apologies on his behalf at all, and I don't think they are necessary. Meanwhile, honestly do compare things Russ said to things Rogers and Watson said, objectively, and see if you can tell the difference.

I was responding to your strong "never happened" response. I really liked Russell Wilson on and off the field and see no comparison with Rodgers or Watson...the news surrounding his PR "team" I found disappointing and impacted my solid view of RW. I find no joy in what went down. I just see no good outcome in a search for blame on either side of the two "parties" involved...I just expect it was more business related than any real personal rift between Russell and Pete.

[NorthHawk]

I see it as Russell was tired of banging his head against the wall and they both realized it was time to make a change.
So they went their separate ways. Now Russ is in a much more dynamic and challenging Offense and Pete gets to try
to rebuild a team that has been sorely stocked with talent relative to the LoB years.

[c_hawkbob]

You said:

while Pete and John Schneider played a "good cop" "bad cop" roles when the idea of getting RW to agree to an extension to lower his cap hit an impasse...(speculation) reached an impasse.

All I did was tell you your speculation about the good cop/bad cop scenario never happened, and that in fact Russ had offered and they declined. I have no idea how that could be considered too "strong".

[RiverDog]

I really liked Russell Wilson on and off the field and see no comparison with Rodgers or Watson...the news surrounding his PR "team" I found disappointing and impacted my solid view of RW. I find no joy in what went down. I just see no good outcome in a search for blame on either side of the two "parties" involved...I just expect it was more business related than any real personal rift between Russell and Pete.

Although I always have and always will have a personal liking of Russell, I have never been comfortable with his obsession about his image. Everything he says and does is with the conscious thought of how he's going to be perceived, and is what led directly to his little white lie about wanting to play here for the rest of his career. It's not a bad trait to be image conscious, but as an old wise man once told me, an overdone strength becomes a weakness. With me, it got to the point where Russell would say something and I'd just roll my eyes. It gets old after awhile.

I don't blame either him or Pete, at least knowing what we do about the situation. We don't know exactly what was said behind closed doors or how it all came unraveled. All any of us can do is speculate, and there's been a lot of it going on in this forum.

[tarlhawk]

All I did was tell you your speculation about the good cop/bad cop scenario never happened, and that in fact Russ had offered and they declined. I have no idea how that could be considered too "strong".

True...that speculation on how Pete plays the good cop role and John Schneider plays the bad cop role when a "business" decision impacts the team...is just that (speculation)...since you used my entire quote (not just the good cop/bad cop speculation)...I didn't know your "never happened" comment wasn't related to the early part of my post. My bad...we usually don't suffer from such misunderstandings between our comments.

Russell has maintained that unselfish part of his good character in his willingness to restructure his contract to "create" more cap room...similar to when Doug Baldwin made similar offers to help bring in a player who would help the team.

[c_hawkbob]

Look again, I quoted a single sentence.

[tarlhawk]

Look again, I quoted a single sentence.

Your first post 6:04 AM used my full quote and its your 6:04 AM post/response that I was responding to...not knowing the direction of your "never happened" comment...not your 8:08 AM response. I see our mistake...its water under the bridge...

[Hawktawk]

I really liked Russell Wilson on and off the field and see no comparison with Rodgers or Watson...the news surrounding his PR "team" I found disappointing and impacted my solid view of RW. I find no joy in what went down. I just see no good outcome in a search for blame on either side of the two "parties" involved...I just expect it was more business related than any real personal rift between Russell and Pete.

Although I always have and always will have a personal liking of Russell, I have never been comfortable with his obsession about his image. Everything he says and does is with the conscious thought of how he's going to be perceived, and is what led directly to his little white lie about wanting to play here for the rest of his career. It's not a bad trait to be image conscious, but as an old wise man once told me, an overdone strength becomes a weakness. With me, it got to the point where Russell would say something and I'd just roll my eyes. It gets old after awhile.

I don't blame either him or Pete, at least knowing what we do about the situation. We don't know exactly what was said behind closed doors or how it all came unraveled. All any of us can do is speculate, and there's been a lot of it going on in this forum.

There’s no I in team. For the last half decade Russ has blended his job with outside interests while continuing to be one of the best quarterbacks in the league . He always had that extra play in him but not recently. . Let’s get it on . Let’s see Pete Carrol vs Russel Wilson. Who would have thought we would ever see it . Getcha popcorn

[RiverDog]

There’s no I in team. For the last half decade Russ has blended his job with outside interests while continuing to be one of the best quarterbacks in the league . He always had that extra play in him but not recently. . Let’s get it on . Let’s see Pete Carrol vs Russel Wilson. Who would have thought we would ever see it . Getcha popcorn

That's a fair assessment, and if you'd just leave out the over the top inflammatory superlatives to describe him, like cancer and punk, you wouldn't be rubbing so many forum members the wrong way.

Yeah, it will be a fun game, and like Brady vs. Belichick, lots of people will read into the result whether it was the player or coach that was most responsible for the past success/failures, although one of them won't be me. It will have a lot more interest than your garden variety game: Season opener, home opener, return of a very popular player, we win we score double as draft slotting is dependent on the opponent's record. There hasn't been an opening game like this since the season following our SB win.

I would not want to bet on the outcome, though. Since it's the opener for both teams, we won't have very much information to base a prediction on. I suppose that since it's a home game, that we should be a slight favorite.

[NorthHawk]

I think they are the favorite at this point.
They have an established team with a lot of talent on both sides of the ball and we are in a rebuild cycle.
As well, the talent they do have is mostly established and our OL is very weak on the edges from an experience standpoint.
The matchup between their Defense and our Offense doesn't look good for us. They have strengths where we have weaknesses so on balance they look like the better team.

[Hawktawk]

There’s no I in team. For the last half decade Russ has blended his job with outside interests while continuing to be one of the best quarterbacks in the league . He always had that extra play in him but not recently. . Let’s get it on . Let’s see Pete Carrol vs Russel Wilson. Who would have thought we would ever see it . Getcha popcorn

That's a fair assessment, and if you'd just leave out the over the top inflammatory superlatives to describe him, like cancer and punk, you wouldn't be rubbing so many forum members the wrong way.

Yeah, it will be a fun game, and like Brady vs. Belichick, lots of people will read into the result whether it was the player or coach that was most responsible for the past success/failures, although one of them won't be me. It will have a lot more interest than your garden variety game: Season opener, home opener, return of a very popular player, we win we score double as draft slotting is dependent on the opponent's record. There hasn't been an opening game like this since the season following our SB win.

I would not want to bet on the outcome, though. Since it's the opener for both teams, we won't have very much information to base a prediction on. I suppose that since it's a home game, that we should be a slight favorite.

I already said punk was a throwaway term I used to describe how my friends felt he acted in the end. Exchange jerk, a hole , liar etc . Just saw my hairdresser again yesterday and as a huge Wilson fan for 10 years she thinks he was selfish , all about Russ, did not like anything about his exit .

But team cancer ? I stand behind it 100%. For 3 years at least I heard him publicly ask for more players after seasons end . “ need more dudes” “Getting hit too much “ was a direct attack on his line by a quarterback who is estimated to cause almost half his sacks by some analysts including Paul Moyer who concluded Russ was at least partly responsible for getting hit too much half the time in 2020 .

Leaking teams he would take a trade to a year ago. These players don’t live in a bubble . When the guy whose salary is why you can’t get a new deal or more players starts acting like that do you think they don’t affect the team? The qb, field general , team leader ? It went to another level of anger in this fans mind when reports surfaced post trade from teammates that he had “ checked out” this year . Dogged it. Went through the motions in a year my lifelong team went 0-5 in 3 point or less games . I had argued against that with someone during the season , maybe I5. I had too much respect for Russ to believe he would do that .

Yeah it really caused me to lose respect for Wilson when those reports surfaced . I think the best thing for the future of the league is if he falls on his face . I’m rooting for it . I see Tyler Lockett saying he thinks it’s gonna be a great year” excited for a fresh start” , DK in camp raring to go . Gonna be a hell of an okie dokey on the league after the surgical removal .