2022 NFL Draft

[RiverDog]

I agree with everything except with your playoff prediction. I agree that it's more likely than not that we'll miss them again as like you, I'm not that confident in our quarterbacking, but the only certainties in life are death and taxes.

14 out of the 32 NFL teams qualify for the playoffs. There have been some pretty mediocre teams that have made the playoffs over the years. Last season, the Dolphins lost 7 straight games and damn near made them, and by mid December, just 3 teams had been mathematically eliminated. Pete's very first Seahawk team qualified with a losing record. It's not a very high bar to clear and is why I think that it's foolish to measure a team's performance based on playoff appearances.

It's up to 14 teams in the playoffs now? I must have missed that memo.

Yes, it was one of the results of the new CBA along with the 17 game schedule. More games, more money for the owners.

All I'm basically saying is we won't be a real contender next year. All this yapping by Hawktawk with this contention crap is just BS. Lock and Smith aren't the answer at QB. This team will need some of these players to come out of the gate strong for this team to do well enough to make playoffs when we didn't last year in a division where 3 of the teams in it made the playoffs and all those teams have far fewer question marks than us.

I agree that the odds are that we won't be competitive this season. Even having played as poorly as Russell did over the past 1.5 years, we still would have stood a much better chance of winning than with either Geno or Lock. That would be true of any team that loses their franchise quarterback then replaces him with a backup. But until the season starts, we really don't know that for sure. Stranger things have happened.

[Aseahawkfan]

If it’s a rebuild it’s surely a year late 12-4 record be damned . Should have done it a year ago after hit too much wwwaAA. Could have had 3 first round picks and Kalil Mack.but old HT don’t know anything about then or now .


I think we lost a malcontent Qb who was a team cancer in the end and had few friends left in that locker room .
We lost a linebacker who was a tremendous leader who had lost his range and explosion . Everyone but the guy who couldn’t cover the mike real estate and a qB who won 6 games for the year , 4 in the last 6 weeks and bailed out pointing fingers returned for a dog meat rebuilding team .

Every other significant player re signed other then Reid . I can absolutely not wait for this season . Pete and John ain’t losing this ten year debate . We will win more than Denver . Book it .

What are you even talking about? No one can control what the team does. We watch and enjoy and hope for the best. The players, coaches, and GM do what they do. We have no control over it.

If I had control of the team, we would have two Super Bowl rings with Russ and still be competing for more because I never would have made that dumb play call at the end of the Patriots Super Bowl. And I wouldn't have traded our franchise QB away either.

But the team does what the team does. We have to hope it works.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yes, it was one of the results of the new CBA along with the 17 game schedule. More games, more money for the owners.

I see.

I agree that the odds are that we won't be competitive this season. Even having played as poorly as Russell did over the past 1.5 years, we still would have stood a much better chance of winning than with either Geno or Lock. That would be true of any team that loses their franchise quarterback then replaces him with a backup. But until the season starts, we really don't know that for sure. Stranger things have happened.

Not really. I've never seen a team like Seattle contend in the playoffs after trading their franchise QB.

I've seen a legendary defense lie Baltimore having the best defensive year in history win with Brad Smith? But that defense was arguably the greatest NFL defense in history.

I'm trying to think if I've ever seen a team like Seattle compete in the entire time I've been watching the NFL and I have to say no, I have not, never in its history growing up.

So if Seattle did anything other than some backdoor losing record push into the playoffs, I'd have to say I've never seen it. I've never seen a team like Seattle is right now win a Super Bowl or even contend.

[RiverDog]

Not really. I've never seen a team like Seattle contend in the playoffs after trading their franchise QB.

I've seen a legendary defense lie Baltimore having the best defensive year in history win with Brad Smith? But that defense was arguably the greatest NFL defense in history.

I'm trying to think if I've ever seen a team like Seattle compete in the entire time I've been watching the NFL and I have to say no, I have not, never in its history growing up.

So if Seattle did anything other than some backdoor losing record push into the playoffs, I'd have to say I've never seen it. I've never seen a team like Seattle is right now win a Super Bowl or even contend.

How many people predicted that the Bengals would go from 4-11-1 in one season then not only go to the Super Bowl, but come within 2 minutes of winning it the following year? Sure, Joe Burrow made a world of difference, but that's a huge swing in just one season and can't be attributed to any one player. After all, lots of HOF QB's have gotten off to miserable starts. Peyton Manning's Colts were 3-13 in his first season. Troy Aikman was 0-11 as a starter in his rookie year.

[Aseahawkfan]

How many people predicted that the Bengals would go from 4-11-1 in one season then not only go to the Super Bowl, but come within 2 minutes of winning it the following year? Sure, Joe Burrow made a world of difference, but that's a huge swing in just one season and can't be attributed to any one player. After all, lots of HOF QB's have gotten off to miserable starts. Peyton Manning's Colts were 3-13 in his first season. Troy Aikman was 0-11 as a starter in his rookie year.

That is not Seattle's situation. You only make my point more. Joe Burow is a bonafide franchise starting QB able to take a franchise from 4-11-1 to the Super Bowl. QBs are that big a difference maker.

Aikman and Manning both Hall of Fame QBs.

Seattle has none of that. Aikman, Burow, and Manning never relinquished the starting job.

It changes nothing I said. I have never seen a team trade away their franchise QB and compete. You bringing up teams that turned around once they had franchise QBs on the rise doesn't change that.

Even Russell Wilson came in and took a 7-9 team with an elite running game and defense to the divisional round and then won a Super Bowl in his second year. QBs make that much of a difference and Lock and Smith aren't even close to a bonafide starter.

[RiverDog]

That is not Seattle's situation. You only make my point more. Joe Burow is a bonafide franchise starting QB able to take a franchise from 4-11-1 to the Super Bowl. QBs are that big a difference maker.

Aikman and Manning both Hall of Fame QBs.

Seattle has none of that. Aikman, Burow, and Manning never relinquished the starting job.

It changes nothing I said. I have never seen a team trade away their franchise QB and compete. You bringing up teams that turned around once they had franchise QBs on the rise doesn't change that.

Even Russell Wilson came in and took a 7-9 team with an elite running game and defense to the divisional round and then won a Super Bowl in his second year. QBs make that much of a difference and Lock and Smith aren't even close to a bonafide starter.

My point was that a team doesn't turn around in one season just because they drafted a very good QB, unless you want to argue like Hawktalk has that Joe Burrow is the GOAT.

No one, and I mean no one, predicted that the Bengals would get anywhere close to the Super Bowl. They were 75/1 to win it, tied with 4 other teams (Broncos, Jags, Jets, and Lions) for the worst odds in the league going into the 2021 season. If they can turn it around in one season, then the Hawks, with a better starting point, could certainly at least make the playoffs.

[Hawktawk]

Russ came in with Wags , Bennett , Avril , Chris Clemons , Bruce Irvin . Robert Turbin .
Pretty sure there were offensive line improvements as well . Russ was great as a part of a championship team and long run of success in the regular season but Asea stop spitting this bs about Russ inheriting the same 2011 team Tavares played on .

Not close to the truth . False information .

As for trading our franchise qb he left and he’s not franchise anymore as his 6 wins showed last year . We won’t be worse off . Denver’s gonna have a hell of a rude awakening . Can not wait

[tarlhawk]

Its called opportunity and timing. You give a skilled QB a boost in confidence coupled with offensive play calling that fits his playing strengths ...and the ability to outperform his expectations becomes possible.

John Elway as an owner hasn't shown any demonstrated insight on getting a true "franchise" QB via the draft but Drew Lock was Elways attempt at bringing such a QB thru the draft...did he give up too soon? ...we shall see.

[Hawktawk]

Its called opportunity and timing. You give a skilled QB a boost in confidence coupled with offensive play calling that fits his playing strengths ...and the ability to outperform his expectations becomes possible.

John Elway as an owner hasn't shown any demonstrated insight on getting a true "franchise" QB via the draft but Drew Lock was Elways attempt at bringing such a QB thru the draft...did he give up too soon? ...we shall see.

I’m friends with lifelong Broncos fans who attended their recent Super Bowls . They are wary of Wilson and upset the organization quit on Locke so soon . Apparently he’s got lots of fans in Denver .

I watched every hawks game over last year , first time ever which has shaped my views on everything from where Russ is in his career to Penney, Geno , my optimism for next year , you name it . I’m a fan of Geno , think he played well in a tough spot and got screwed out of a true audition to see if he might have the right stuff by his selfish narcissist teammate who got shut out and lost 3 in a row ending the season knowing the whole time he wasn’t coming back .


With all that said most projected starter analysis has Locke starting in week one and I wouldn’t beg against that.watching film I’m captivated by the freakish arm strength and tight spiral . If they get him anywhere near Genos per game stats look out with all the weapons .

[NorthHawk]

The success or failures of this team will be determined by how well the OTs play.
If we start both rookies, it’s going to be bad early and the existing OTs are also
short of experience. As we go against the Bosas, Mack, Chubb, and a host of
other top DEs, this could be a long season. I think they are going to have to
sign a veteran OT at some point to show the young players what’s required to be
a pro not just on the field but in film study and mental preparation along with
diet and rest for a 17 game season.

[RiverDog]

The success or failures of this team will be determined by how well the OTs play.
If we start both rookies, it’s going to be bad early and the existing OTs are also
short of experience. As we go against the Bosas, Mack, Chubb, and a host of
other top DEs, this could be a long season. I think they are going to have to
sign a veteran OT at some point to show the young players what’s required to be
a pro not just on the field but in film study and mental preparation along with
diet and rest for a 17 game season.

Yeah, if we start two rookie bookends, there's going to be a lot of chaos in the backfield. Combine two rookie bookend with a new center/QB combo and there's likely to be a lot of chaos along the LOS, meaning that we might have a lot of protection issues early in the season. That kind of pressure doesn't bode well for either one of our QB's, both of whom have struggled with turnovers over the course of their careers.

[tarlhawk]

The draft has set us up for success with my own hopes targeting 2024 for meaningful playoff opportunity. If Drew Lock becomes more than a "bridge" QB and our O-Line quickly forms and communicates under the coaching of Andy Dickerson (Acknowledged Big "IF" on both accounts...but potential allows hope) our team can begin to create fear in our opponents once again (Russell Wilson was a HUGE part of that fear factor so its going to take a TEAM effort until we get a new QB settled in).

I would characterize my pre-2024 hopes as "guarded optimism".

[RiverDog]

The draft has set us up for success with my own hopes targeting 2024 for meaningful playoff opportunity. If Drew Lock becomes more than a "bridge" QB and our O-Line quickly forms and communicates under the coaching of Andy Dickerson (Acknowledged Big "IF" on both accounts...but potential allows hope) our team can begin to create fear in our opponents once again (Russell Wilson was a HUGE part of that fear factor so its going to take a TEAM effort until we get a new QB settled in).

I would characterize my pre-2024 hopes as "guarded optimism".

"Guarded optimism" is a more reasonable outlook than some of the comments I've been reading here lately.

I'm with ya on the draft, but we have to keep in mind that there's going to be a learning curve. It might be a year or two before any of our draft picks start making meaningful contributions.

[NorthHawk]

It's growing pains along the OL that most young lines have - the Chiefs being the exception last year when they replaced 4 of the 5 and
still became one of the better OLs.
Unfortunately this year we face the AFC West with all of the monster DEs in that division. It's a tall order to be sure.

[RiverDog]

It's growing pains along the OL that most young lines have - the Chiefs being the exception last year when they replaced 4 of the 5 and
still became one of the better OLs.
Unfortunately this year we face the AFC West with all of the monster DEs in that division. It's a tall order to be sure.

Not to mention playing the Rams and Niners twice, plus the Bucs and Saints ain't too shabby, either. All 4 of those teams finished in the top 10 in sacks last year.

[Hawktawk]

Run the ball . Then run some more . Lines love to run. I saw Duane Brown 20 yards downfield blocking with a smile on his face .

Part of my extreme optimism for next season was our run game =Rashaad Penney down the stretch . The line looked great . Russ looked great for the most part which WAS NOT THE CASE earlier in the season . Our defense wasn’t on the field all game and it showed . My 2 questions for Penney were will someone come after him and can he stay healthy . Never a question what I saw on the field was legit. No concern . He gave a hometown discount now let’s see about part 2. But that was a big IF with his history . But now we have Walker III and the more I watch him, look at his film and how cut the guy is I may owe C Hawk Bob an apology .
it’s gonna be tough to keep him on the sidelines so now I can double up
We’re gonna run on people . Penney or no Penney . When evaluating Geno keep up in mind he never started a game with a fully healthy Penney on the field . Hence pedestrian rush numbers in his 13 quarters , another overlooked point here . Imagine the play action with that going to DK or Lockett or Swain or Fant who has caught 74 passes from Locke already , Eskridge jet sweeps off of it . Rested rejuvenated reloaded defense . Playoffs will be next season . How deep to be determined by how much better they are then you all think . Plenty of talent and impact players and a hall of fame coach , a motivator who will not be beaten by a sawed off malcontent .
They have made no move that tells me they expect to lose personell wise only moves to improve on 7-10 such as letting a 6 win 35 million qb have his way . No I in team . The cloud is lifted .

I don’t think the detractors of Pete understand what it’s been like walking that tight rope . Expect some exotic blitzes when Denver comes to town. There’s no love lost . I can feel it in my bones . The hawks are ready to prove a point .

[tarlhawk]

Interesting how our upper management and coaching seeks players with "a chip on their shoulder" ...but based on last season's performance...AND having lost our elite QB...we now have a TEAM with "a chip on their shoulder". Our "last place" schedule isn't very rosy by adding the AFC West to the "peaking" teams in our own NFC West...so we are extreme underdogs...and maybe that can be inspiring on its own merits...nothing is truly expected of us. Go Hawks

[Hawktawk]

Interesting how our upper management and coaching seeks players with "a chip on their shoulder" ...but based on last season's performance...AND having lost our elite QB...we now have a TEAM with "a chip on their shoulder". Our "last place" schedule isn't very rosy by adding the AFC West to the "peaking" teams in our own NFC West...so we are extreme underdogs...and maybe that can be inspiring on its own merits...nothing is truly expected of us. Go Hawks

We have a team and a coach and a FO with a chip on their shoulder , exactly . I feel it . 2022 matters very much to them and not to suck for more picks . I’ve seen zero evidence .

[c_hawkbob]

I’m friends with lifelong Broncos fans who attended their recent Super Bowls . They are wary of Wilson and upset the organization quit on Locke so soon . Apparently he’s got lots of fans in Denver

I lived in Denver for 10 years before moving to KY and I have a love of friends that are Broncos fans, "wary" is not at all how I'd describe them. "Giddy" is more like it for the most of them. It's like getting Peyton Manning again with more left in the tank.

[Hawktawk]

My friends definitely aren’t giddy and they are lifers. Craig is curious , maybe even a bit optimistic but his wife Cynthia is furious . On the balance I’m sure it was a popular move in Denver but not universal and I personally know and have also read other accounts . Let’s check back with the giddy fans after a few games .

I just watched a breakdown of Locke on film with Micheal Bumpus and Shane Waldron . He’s the perfect drop back play action plant the foot and fire guy . I dint see him run backwards out of the pocket once but saw him complete passes running laterally . I didn’t see a great line either , saw him stand in and make throws getting hit in the mouth . Of course they didn’t show lowlights but PC is growing louder in his praise of the skill set after spending time with him.

. My suspicion is on him behind center opening day at this point .Then we will all find out . No more speculation
I don’t think Russ has any more left than Peyton had left ether . Manning played what ? 4 years there with some of the most prolific offenses in history , went to 2 Super Bowls winning one .
I predict Russ will not be starting there in 4 years , maybe less . He won’t win a divisional any more than he did here last 7 years . He will never win or attend a super bowl without a ticket . His game is more messed up than Manning was coming in by far . It’s what PC and John saw .

All you gotta see is no contract talks to see the FO is in wait and see mode . Worst 3rd down completion % in the league makes it tough to win . Really excited to see what happens .

[RiverDog]

I’m friends with lifelong Broncos fans who attended their recent Super Bowls . They are wary of Wilson and upset the organization quit on Locke so soon . Apparently he’s got lots of fans in Denver

I lived in Denver for 10 years before moving to KY and I have a love of friends that are Broncos fans, "wary" is not at all how I'd describe them. "Giddy" is more like it for the most of them. It's like getting Peyton Manning again with more left in the tank.

Cbob is right on this one. Take a look at one of the Broncos message boards. Just thumbing through the 87 pages of comments, it's running about 10 to 1 in favor of the Wilson trade. "Giddy" is an understatement. More like delirious.

https://forums.denverbroncos.com/forum/ ... -to-denver

[Hawktawk]

10 to 1 is 90%. Like I say check in when he runs himself into sacks , misses throws in critical situations , missed reads and protection assignments . All happened right up till his very last game here.

My guess the Seahawks nation is 80% off the bandwagon right now . Who cares . Opinions don’t play a down . Although plenty in my circle thought Russ was a punk in the end .

Russ admitted he had lost his courage “ tired of getting hit so much “ and he plays like it now . Unload your haterade comments on me all you want . I watched the film twice or more . At this point in their careers it is far more likely that Locke will improve then Wilson .

Hit too much is something few QBs recover from .

[RiverDog]

10 to 1 is 90%. Like I say check in when he runs himself into sacks , misses throws in critical situations , missed reads and protection assignments . All happened right up till his very last game here.

My guess the Seahawks nation is 80% off the bandwagon right now . Who cares . Opinions don’t play a down . Although plenty in my circle thought Russ was a punk in the end .

Russ admitted he had lost his courage “ tired of getting hit so much “ and he plays like it now . Unload your haterade comments on me all you want . I watched the film twice or more . At this point in their careers it is far more likely that Locke will improve then Wilson .

Hit too much is something few QBs recover from .

You're the one that's insinuating that the Broncos fans are "wary" of Russell and upset that they gave up on Lock too soon. Going off the sampling of remarks in the linked forum, that judgement is wrong.

Being off the Russell bandwagon is one thing, and it includes me. Thinking that he's a punk is quite another, and I'd be surprised if 10% of Seahawks fans think of him as you do. It most definitely does not include Yours Truly.

[Hawktawk]

You would be surprised . Maybe you run in different circles . Maybe punk is too strong but you know HT my hairdresser goes to games all the time and we would talk about how great Russ was for years . How about a self serving self promoter who’s goodbye clip was all about him . That’s her opinion .. Another businesswomen I know , huge fan . Same deal . GTFO. Im actually surprised by how many people I know who are cool with him leaving , thought it was due .

Opinions don’t play a snap
Time will tell .

[tarlhawk]

Been watching the weekend of rookie camp feedback/various rookie conferences...very impressive collection of personalities and skills...for those of you who are Pete haters...you probably were not impressed by the gushing adoration many rookies were giving Pete and the coaches he has recruited. Many had a glow of appreciation that it was Seattle who came calling. Pete Carroll...John Schneider and their "collective" of enthusiastic coaches are a treasure trove that many seem to take for granted. Meaningful competition...balanced offensive approach with an emphasis on running...restoration in the pride of assembling a swarming defense that LOVES to hit...there is no atmosphere of "quit" but an eagerness to put the chaos of 2021 behind them. This represents our team identity...you better not sleep on us. Go Hawks

[NorthHawk]

Of course Pete is gushing about the players.
What's he going to say - These guys are awful and it's not worth watching them practice let alone play?
Part of his job is to sell tickets and we hear the same thing every year about his observations of rookies running about in their underwear.
Then the reality of the NFL hits them and they aren't what he's sold us - with a few exceptions of course.

Let's see what happens in the pre season where we can evaluate how good the rookies actually are.

[RiverDog]

Of course Pete is gushing about the players.
What's he going to say - These guys are awful and it's not worth watching them practice let alone play?
Part of his job is to sell tickets and we hear the same thing every year about his observations of rookies running about in their underwear.
Then the reality of the NFL hits them and they aren't what he's sold us - with a few exceptions of course.

Let's see what happens in the pre season where we can evaluate how good the rookies actually are.

Yeah, like I said in another thread, when Pete's talking about his players, you have to take what he says with a grain of salt. He's full of more chit than a Christmas goose.

[tarlhawk]

Neither of you guys responded correctly to that part of my post...I said the rookies were really gushing about Pete Carroll and the environment and culture he establishes...of course a coach will talk up his players...the responses during various conferences revealed a genuine adoration of being glad to have Pete as coach and being pleased they got the call from Seattle.

[RiverDog]

Neither of you guys responded correctly to that part of my post...I said the rookies were really gushing about Pete Carroll and the environment and culture he establishes...of course a coach will talk up his players...the responses during various conferences revealed a genuine adoration of being glad to have Pete as coach and being pleased they got the call from Seattle.

Not all coaches talk up their players, at least not to the same degree that Pete does. You won't see Belichick talking about his players the way Pete does about his. Same with his mentor, the Tuna. I once saw Parcells tell a press conference that his quarterback needed to work on his jersey identification. Pete's initials stand for Politically Correct, the complete opposite of a coach like Lombardi or Ditka.

Pete has a management style where he motivates players by giving them pep talks, a rah rah, go out and win one for the Gipper type of technique. It works for a lot of players, not as much for others. Pete has been highly successful with his style, at least until recently, so don't interpret my remarks as being critical of it. It's just after having listened to him for as long as I have, I've learned not to take his remarks seriously as he can be so full of malarkey.

[Aseahawkfan]

What Pete says is not something I much listen to. To be honest, I don't use what a coach says in my analysis of anything. Not Holmgren or Bill B or any of them. All of them tend to use coach speak and are never really gonna tell you to much real when giving interviews or general conversations. Guys whose jobs depend on Pete's opinion of their play gushing about Pete or any coach is not meaningful to me. I don't even read that part of any player or team analysis if someone brings it up. One of the worst forms of evidence I ever see people post is "Pete said..." I don't care what they say. I only care what they do on the field, which we won't find out for quite a while. The reality is most of these draft picks and undrafted free agents, probably half of them or more, will be cut by roster time. Only reason they might make it is because we have a weak roster right now. But back when we had a Super Bowl caliber team, most of the draft picks were getting cut and cast off because we already had everything set.

I still remember people claiming Pete was "rah-rah" guy and that turned out to be both true and not matter at all because he was also an amazing coach. Pete didn't tell anyone he was an amazing coach as they debated how he would do when he returned to the league and they questioned whether he could succeed at the NFL level. He was the same Pete when he was going 7-9 his first two years. He was the same Pete when going 13-3 or winning a Super Bowl. Pete don't change.

All I'll be looking for other than listening here and there to stories of camp for entertainment is to see what they do on the field when the season starts. That's when you know what you got. The rest is speculation.

[Aseahawkfan]

10 to 1 is 90%. Like I say check in when he runs himself into sacks , misses throws in critical situations , missed reads and protection assignments . All happened right up till his very last game here.

My guess the Seahawks nation is 80% off the bandwagon right now . Who cares . Opinions don’t play a down . Although plenty in my circle thought Russ was a punk in the end .

Russ admitted he had lost his courage “ tired of getting hit so much “ and he plays like it now . Unload your haterade comments on me all you want . I watched the film twice or more . At this point in their careers it is far more likely that Locke will improve then Wilson .

Hit too much is something few QBs recover from .

Russ is a better man than you by far. Your crowd calling him a punk just shows a low character I want no part of.

Russ not wanting to play in Seattle doesn't change at all Russ's personality or good nature. That's just rubbish.

You are a real punk, hawktawk.

[Hawktawk]

10 to 1 is 90%. Like I say check in when he runs himself into sacks , misses throws in critical situations , missed reads and protection assignments . All happened right up till his very last game here.

My guess the Seahawks nation is 80% off the bandwagon right now . Who cares . Opinions don’t play a down . Although plenty in my circle thought Russ was a punk in the end .

Russ admitted he had lost his courage “ tired of getting hit so much “ and he plays like it now . Unload your haterade comments on me all you want . I watched the film twice or more . At this point in their careers it is far more likely that Locke will improve then Wilson .

Hit too much is something few QBs recover from .

Russ is a better man than you by far. Your crowd calling him a punk just shows a low character I want no part of.

Russ not wanting to play in Seattle doesn't change at all Russ's personality or good nature. That's just rubbish.

You are a real punk, hawktawk.

As I explained to RD the term “punk “ was a flip comment by me generalizing the attitude of a surprising number of my Seahawks friends . As I said to RD one is my hair stylist who we have talked Hawks and Russell who we adored for years . She feels like he was self serving and dishonest and all about himself . So is that bad ? Can we criticize his royal highness?
As for him being a better man than I ? You don’t know a damn thing about me . I’d say he’s a good person but I have 100 friends who think I’m a great person . I’ve preached and sang at funerals by request . Picked up people along side the road
Fed them, gave them dry clothes. My first wife had an affair and became pregnant and Joel is 35 now and I paid support then raised him . You don’t know a god damn thing about me .

As for a punk that’s an attitude . Never been called a punk . I’m 62 but I’m 6’1” 255 and not fat . Still very powerful , bipolar AF. Generally peaceful in person but I rather doubt you would call me a punk if I was in front of you . Let’s back up to the subject . A lot of people blame Russ more than Seattle . It’s not all one way . Bring on the season and let’s find out whose right or wrong .

[tarlhawk]

Russells departure and method of departing creates a variety of emotions...some may bare a natural hatred...others appreciate the good feelings evoked by many highlight reels of inspiring his team mates thru close games...in the end its opinion driven and fueled by an individuals perception.

Fortunately I fall somewhere in between...when Russell and Pete were motivating each other's visions and the team's overall benefit meshed...somewhere along the road boundaries were crossed...somewhere satisfaction of mutual achievements began to digress...but from there the answers become blurry as speculation fueled by outside writers took advantage of vulnerabilities to sow seeds of doubt while exacerbating a man of good character exposed to sudden real life hardships...the loss of a trusted close friend...a disruption of a world wide pandemic...being a Super Bowl guest of the NFL Commissioner allowing close comparisons to other QB's team set-ups and "how good they got it"...perhaps adversity gave Russell a darker mood with the realization that life is short if taken for granted...his agent headed team used social media as a passive aggressive weapon to escape the "burden" of a signed contractural commitment.

John Schneider needed to ease financial restraints normally achieved by a multi year contract extension creating "business friction" as RW "seemed" to favor no such commitment...Pete Carroll perhaps became concerned of clubhouse morale and usurped authority as Russell gave the reported perception of wanting an equal or increased say in personnel decisions.

All of these perceptions are only fueled by speculation of frustrated fans...since no insider knowledge exists. In the end a trade was the result and once completed leaves little to be gained by fooling ourselves into knowing why or how this occurred...whether business driven or personal.

We can focus on moving forward just like any broken relationship and wait for results with best wishes to both parting interests. Did it help coming on the heels of a losing season and coupled with the loss of another richly deserved fan favorite? No...it dampens a recovery effort from a losing season and as a team ...guarded optimism should trump the drama of feeling doomed. Go Hawks

[NorthHawk]

here’s an independent look at some of our draft choices this year:

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1615063/ ... nior-bowl/

[Aseahawkfan]

As I explained to RD the term “punk “ was a flip comment by me generalizing the attitude of a surprising number of my Seahawks friends . As I said to RD one is my hair stylist who we have talked Hawks and Russell who we adored for years . She feels like he was self serving and dishonest and all about himself . So is that bad ? Can we criticize his royal highness?
As for him being a better man than I ? You don’t know a damn thing about me . I’d say he’s a good person but I have 100 friends who think I’m a great person . I’ve preached and sang at funerals by request . Picked up people along side the road
Fed them, gave them dry clothes. My first wife had an affair and became pregnant and Joel is 35 now and I paid support then raised him . You don’t know a god damn thing about me .

As for a punk that’s an attitude . Never been called a punk . I’m 62 but I’m 6’1” 255 and not fat . Still very powerful , bipolar AF. Generally peaceful in person but I rather doubt you would call me a punk if I was in front of you . Let’s back up to the subject . A lot of people blame Russ more than Seattle . It’s not all one way . Bring on the season and let’s find out whose right or wrong .

I don't much change how I speak according to a person's size. I'm respectful with them if they act in a respectful manner. If someone thinks they can scare or bully people and talk smack because of their physical size, we're gonna have a problem. I don't tolerate bullies or bullying.

Just because Russ has left your team doesn't make him some kind of punk. I doubt you call Russell Wilson a punk to his face not because of Russ's size, but because he seems like a real nice guy face to face. So try not to do it on the forum. Just accept he has moved on and you can stop taking little personal shots at him. He takes care of his family. He's worked hard to get where he is. He's done nothing but show himself to be a high character person. I don't care if you want to get down on his ability to play football or make reads or hope he fails (even I hope the Broncos tank as it is better for us). But just stop with the personal shots at Russ. It's not respectful and it's not right.

People should be respectful on forums. A lively debate is one thing, but vulgar personal shots is another level you don't need to go unless the person gives you a real good reason like he who I will not name who teaches that by example.

[RiverDog]

here’s an independent look at some of our draft choices this year:

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1615063/ ... nior-bowl/

Nagy is a former Seahawk scout, so it's not a completely independent look, but it is a good breakdown of our picks. He brought up some good points that I hadn't thought of, like Coby Bryant's having to had played opposite Sauce Gardner, the #4 overall, which meant that he got picked on a lot, and Tariq Wollen, a 6'4" long armed DB that ran a 4.26 40.

Odds are that we're not going to hit on all of these picks, but IMO we have the best chance at success with this group than any draft class we've had in 10 years.

[Hawktawk]

Cobe might be the best pick of all.
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[Hawktawk]

As I explained to RD the term “punk “ was a flip comment by me generalizing the attitude of a surprising number of my Seahawks friends . As I said to RD one is my hair stylist who we have talked Hawks and Russell who we adored for years . She feels like he was self serving and dishonest and all about himself . So is that bad ? Can we criticize his royal highness?
As for him being a better man than I ? You don’t know a damn thing about me . I’d say he’s a good person but I have 100 friends who think I’m a great person . I’ve preached and sang at funerals by request . Picked up people along side the road
Fed them, gave them dry clothes. My first wife had an affair and became pregnant and Joel is 35 now and I paid support then raised him . You don’t know a god damn thing about me .

As for a punk that’s an attitude . Never been called a punk . I’m 62 but I’m 6’1” 255 and not fat . Still very powerful , bipolar AF. Generally peaceful in person but I rather doubt you would call me a punk if I was in front of you . Let’s back up to the subject . A lot of people blame Russ more than Seattle . It’s not all one way . Bring on the season and let’s find out whose right or wrong .

I don't much change how I speak according to a person's size. I'm respectful with them if they act in a respectful manner. If someone thinks they can scare or bully people and talk smack because of their physical size, we're gonna have a problem. I don't tolerate bullies or bullying.

Just because Russ has left your team doesn't make him some kind of punk. I doubt you call Russell Wilson a punk to his face not because of Russ's size, but because he seems like a real nice guy face to face. So try not to do it on the forum. Just accept he has moved on and you can stop taking little personal shots at him. He takes care of his family. He's worked hard to get where he is. He's done nothing but show himself to be a high character person. I don't care if you want to get down on his ability to play football or make reads or hope he fails (even I hope the Broncos tank as it is better for us). But just stop with the personal shots at Russ. It's not respectful and it's not right.

People should be respectful on forums. A lively debate is one thing, but vulgar personal shots is another level you don't need to go unless the person gives you a real good reason like he who I will not name who teaches that by example.

What I said is “many of my friends thought he was a punk in the end” my bad choice . If I had said jerk? Is that ok word police ? For the greatness of Russ over the last couple years and especially starting in 2020 he began demonstrating a complete lack of leadership , popped off publicly about the roster being inadequate ( his teammates ) . Complained about the offense but when you’re running 42% completions on 3rd down you may as well run the single wing . Blame shifting . A lack of accountability . A lack of work ethic . (Yeah I said it and can defend it).

Punk was a bad choice of words . Russ is a good dude personally . But he disrespected my rag greatly in the last 12 months and it’s gonna take me a while . I think he’s not going to be able to save Denver in that brutal division if he couldn’t win over guys like Colt MCCoy and Nick Foles here. Let’s see. I’ve got 1000 pages defending Russ and I give him his due , his greatness in his prime here to this moment . It’s just been over for awhile longer then his most ardent fans noticed .

[RiverDog]

Cobe might be the best pick of all.

We'll see. One of the detractions is that he played at a mid major in a conference with teams like Tulsa, East Carolina, SMU, etc, so the level of competition wasn't the same as playing in the SEC or Big Ten. But he definitely has the physical tools, that's for sure.

[RiverDog]

What I said is “many of my friends thought he was a punk in the end” my bad choice . If I had said jerk? Is that ok word police ? For the greatness of Russ over the last couple years and especially starting in 2020 he began demonstrating a complete lack of leadership , popped off publicly about the roster being inadequate ( his teammates ) . Complained about the offense but when you’re running 42% completions on 3rd down you may as well run the single wing . Blame shifting . A lack of accountability . A lack of work ethic . (Yeah I said it and can defend it).

Punk was a bad choice of words . Russ is a good dude personally . But he disrespected my rag greatly in the last 12 months and it’s gonna take me a while . I think he’s not going to be able to save Denver in that brutal division if he couldn’t win over guys like Colt MCCoy and Nick Foles here. Let’s see. I’ve got 1000 pages defending Russ and I give him his due , his greatness in his prime here to this moment . It’s just been over for awhile longer then his most ardent fans noticed .

Glad you manned up and admitted that you were guilty of using a poor choice of words.

"Punk" and "jerk" are synonymous in my book. It has nothing to do with word police, it's a personal insult that would earn one a knuckle sandwich in a lot of situation. You were called out for using it in the manner you did, and rightfully so IMO. By all accounts, Russell is a good guy.

Again, kudos for admitting to the mistake.