Over/Under On Number of Wins

[RiverDog]

I thought that this was interesting. For those of us that enjoy putting down an occasional bet, here's the over/under for all 32 NFL teams on the number of wins they'll have during the 2022 regular season:

Bills 11.5
Bucs 11.5
Packers 10.5
Chiefs 10.5
Rams 10.5
Cowboys 10.5
Chargers 10.5
Broncos 10.5
Niners 9.5
Ravens 9.5
Colts 9.5
Bengals 9.5
Titans 9.5
Vikings 8.5
Eagles 8.5
Patriots 8.5
Dolphins 8.5
Cards 8.5
Raiders 8.5
Saints 8.5
Steelers 7.5
Giants 7.5
Commanders 7.5
Bears 7.5
Jags 6.5
Lions 6.5
Seahawks 5.5
Jets 5.5
Falcons 4.5
Texans 4.5

https://www.thelines.com/odds/nfl-win-t ... 5549ae298d

Although I'm not predicting a playoff appearance, I think we will win more than 5 games.

[c_hawkbob]

So do they ... 5.5 is more than 5

[tarlhawk]

5.5 is what I would call "brutal honesty" ...but perceptions are sometimes based on recent past performances...potential for underdogs to be transformed when there are still many variables at play make betting a true gamble...guarded hope is somewhere between 7-9 games if cash is involved...a foray into divisional playoffs under "best case" non cash scenarios.

[Oly]

Even before opening the thread I was thinking 6-11 sounds most likely.

[RiverDog]

We have to keep in mind that these are betting odds and not an expert, objective appraisal of the various team's chances. Take the Cowboys, for example. They have a huge fan base, and as we all know, a lot of people are casual bettors, some not knowing all that much about football and don't care what the odds are. They'll lay down $50 or $100 on their team just for the heck of it, to add a little interest. This has a tendency to inflate their odds. The opposite is true of the Bengals, who have a relatively small fan base when you compare them with teams like the Cowboys and Niners.

As in all betting on sporting events, the odds are forecasts of people's betting tendencies and are adjusted as the bets start coming in. If everybody is taking 'over' on the Seahawks, they'll raise the odds to 6.5 in order to encourage more people to bet on 'under' so as to equal out the number of bets, thus minimizing their chances of losing big. Gambling institutions get their money from taking a percentage of the winning payout, so they don't care who wins.

It is interesting in that it gives us an overall perception, true or not, of what fans in general are thinking about the upcoming season, but I wouldn't use it as an objective appraisal of our likely results.

[RiverDog]

One other thing I'd like to point out is the Broncos over/under of 10.5. They finished last season with 7 wins, they play in a tough division with the Chiefs, Chargers, and Raiders, and their 2022 schedule includes the NFC West, arguably the toughest division in the NFC, having advanced 3 teams to the playoffs, both participants in the NFCCG, and home of the reigning SB champ.

The difference, of course, is the Russell Wilson trade. Most people, including Bronco fans, feel that Russell is going to result in a significant improvement in that team's performance.

[NorthHawk]

I think 6 wins is doable and maybe squeak out a 7th if luck falls our way.
But we are very thin at some positions like OT and LB, so injuries could mean a worse season record than what we should have.
But we're not a strong team at the moment.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm expecting 5 to 7 wins like Pete usually does when he doesn't have a starting caliber QB if he can get the defense turned around and maintain the run game. If the run game and defense are bad, I don't know where the bottom will be. Pete's never won less than 6 games in his tenure as an NFL head coach. So we'll be somewhere in there I figure with what we have now. So 5.5 isn't a bad guess given the current state of the team and Pete's coaching history.

[Hawktawk]

Blah blah blah . Not sure who compiled this but they didn’t watch the games . I keep reading oh no Seattle lost their great franchise QB this off-season . They lost their best defensive player . They are doomed to 5.5 wins .
Yeah we lost our franchise qb but it started mid season 2020. By seasons end he was 11-29 with a pick 6 in his last ever playoff game . Then hit too much wasaaaaaa.

This last season he lost to and was outplayed by Ryan Tannehill , Kirk Cousins , Taylor Heinike , Colt McCoy , nick Foles . Got shut out as the crap defense gave up 17 to Arod. Worst 3rd down completion % in the league most of the last 2 years . That’s what we traded and swindled Denver with , not the top 5 guy we had for 8.5 years here .

We will win 10 games next year . Donkeys will win 7 or 8. pFF had them between 8-9 wins after getting the greatest ever QB in the history of football .

. None of that crap matters . There has never been a coach like Carroll in this situation. Gonna shock the world .

[c_hawkbob]

Numbers are great when they say what you want them to say, hell you'll cite them over and over ad nauseum ... but when you don't like 'em they're "blah blah blah". How convenient.

[Oly]

Blah blah blah . Not sure who compiled this but they didn’t watch the games . I keep reading oh no Seattle lost their great franchise QB this off-season . They lost their best defensive player . They are doomed to 5.5 wins .
Yeah we lost our franchise qb but it started mid season 2020. By seasons end he was 11-29 with a pick 6 in his last ever playoff game . Then hit too much wasaaaaaa.

This last season he lost to and was outplayed by Ryan Tannehill , Kirk Cousins , Taylor Heinike , Colt McCoy , nick Foles . Got shut out as the crap defense gave up 17 to Arod. Worst 3rd down completion % in the league most of the last 2 years . That’s what we traded and swindled Denver with , not the top 5 guy we had for 8.5 years here .

We will win 10 games next year . Donkeys will win 7 or 8. pFF had them between 8-9 wins after getting the greatest ever QB in the history of football .

. None of that crap matters . There has never been a coach like Carroll in this situation. Gonna shock the world .

Not everything is about the QB. There are plenty of other reasons to think the 2022 Hawks will be worse than the 2021 team:
--We are transitioning to a new scheme on defense and growing pains are inevitable. Will they be able to scheme Adams back to being an elite defender? Who knows.
--We lost our defensive leader, 2 of our 3 sack leaders, and a starting CB.
--We lost our best offensive lineman on a shitty line. We're starting two rookies--very promising rookies whom I like, but still rookies--and integrating a new center between solid-but-not-great guards.

I share some of your optimism that some areas will be better, including:
--The RB corps is much improved. Penny being healthy is big, and him staying healthy will be huge. Walker is also going to be very good, I think.
--I think the receiving corps will be slightly improved. Fant will be good, but DK will continue to mature and that alone will make that group better.

Last year, with Russ, we ended 7-10. Even if Geno/Lock were as good as Russ, I think the negatives above outweigh the positives, so I'm expecting them to be just a little worse. Note, though, that by not predicting them to be way worse I'm closer to your position than you think; I agree that the gap between Russ and Geno/Lock won't be as big as many think. I'm not as excited as you are, but I do agree that many Hawks fans were overestimating Russ and underestimating Geno. The difference is that I teach statistics and don't make any conclusions from a small sample size, and so as good as Penny and Geno looked in a few games last year, it was just a few games. I won't have any crow to eat if they do well, because I'm not doubting their potential at all. I'm just reserving any judgement until I see a few more games.

[RiverDog]

Blah blah blah . Not sure who compiled this but they didn’t watch the games.

The numbers are set by the bookies, the folks that run the gaming business. They are not necessarily football experts. What they do is look at historical betting trends and set the over/under of the various teams according to how they expect bettors to lay their wagers. Once the bets start coming in, if more people are betting on the Hawks to finish with 6 or more wins, they'll adjust the over/under from 5.5 to 6.5 to encourage more people to bet on 'under'. Their object is to get roughly the same number of people betting on each outcome so as to minimize their risk of losing money if one outcome happens to occur. They make their money by keeping a percentage of the payout, normally 5%.

They are relevant to our discussions as it is a reflection of the overall expectations of the fans, how people feel about our upcoming season.

[NorthHawk]

It’s of note that the betting lines are frequently quite accurate when it’s all over.

[Hawktawk]

Numbers are great when they say what you want them to say, hell you'll cite them over and over ad nauseum ... but when you don't like 'em they're "blah blah blah". How convenient.

Stats are facts . Betting lines are guesses and set by bookies to make maximum profits . Not sure what numbers you don’t like hearing ? All world for 8.5 years was a big part of the problem on and off the field last season. Stats prove it. Only the most observant objective Seahawks fans get that along with some analysts and Pete and John obviously . Wags was a leader sure but Wyman was calling him a “finesse linebacker “ all year pointing out his unwillingness to crash downhill and his diminishing range . Nether of those losses will hurt on the field IMO. Wags will hurt in the locker room but no Russ will help greatly , more than enough to offset it . Imo
We will hopefully have an opportunity to see what actually happens . I’ve had this giddy feeling as a hawks fan pre season 3 times now . After the 2004 season losing 3 times to the rams , Hass pounding his fists on the turf as his 4th down missile bounced off Engram in the end zone.

It’s the year I met Prob. We were down at Incas hitting tequila shots screaming GO HAWKS! Switching back and forth wearing his Largent autographed helmet . I just felt it . The second time was after the mad comeback fell short in Atlanta in 2012. I felt it , that one was easier to see coming .

Third time was this year . I started feeling good the last few games as our offense resembled the last few games of 2012. I was surprised Russ was actually traded but again watching the film he’s become the black 5’10” Kirk Cousins. You need 8 he gets you 7. Nice stats just not clutch . Our only 2 minute drive all year was Geno vs a team that led the NFL in sacks with 55, 5 on Geno . It doesn’t take all world qb play to be better then Russell was much of last year .
I know you adore him and I love what he did for 8.5 years but good luck Denver . We won the deal .

[obiken]

Got shut out as the crap defense gave up 17 to Arod. Worst 3rd down completion % in the league most of the last 2 years . That’s what we traded and swindled Denver with , not the top 5 guy we had for 8.5 years here .

We will win 10 games next year . Donkeys will win 7 or 8. pFF had them between 8-9 wins after getting the greatest ever QB in the history of football .

. None of that crap matters . There has never been a coach like Carroll in this situation. Gonna shock the world .

You’re part of the cult of Pete now, it’s too late take the poison HawkTalk it’s just too late! Seriously, First of all, to win 10 games we have to have a decent defense and we don’t, second were transitioning to two quarterbacks when they had their shot they didn’t have what it took. Forget that you to say that we can get 10 wins, that’s just ludicrous completely ludicrous. Russell Wilson has worked harder in this off-season than he’s ever worked, he has a much better offensive line, four good wide receivers, and the donkeys are going to have the best defensive line in the league. But you want to continue to demean Russ knock yourself out till he reaches 10 wins and we reach five.

[Hawktawk]

Let’s find out . Denver gave up 40 sacks last year with Bridgewater starting 14 games and Locke 3. Seattle gave up 45, only 32 on Russ . Geno was actually sacked at a higher rate with 13 sacks in 13 quarters . Why is their line so much better ? Let’s see Obi I just have a feeling the old graybeard is gonna have one more season to remember in him . This isn’t quite Belichick /Brady cause nothing is but it’s similar . Pete intends to win now. He may not but it’s the plan. Let’s see. I say 10 wine .

[RiverDog]

Got shut out as the crap defense gave up 17 to Arod. Worst 3rd down completion % in the league most of the last 2 years . That’s what we traded and swindled Denver with , not the top 5 guy we had for 8.5 years here .

We will win 10 games next year . Donkeys will win 7 or 8. pFF had them between 8-9 wins after getting the greatest ever QB in the history of football .

. None of that crap matters . There has never been a coach like Carroll in this situation. Gonna shock the world .

You’re part of the cult of Pete now, it’s too late take the poison HawkTalk it’s just too late! Seriously, First of all, to win 10 games we have to have a decent defense and we don’t, second were transitioning to two quarterbacks when they had their shot they didn’t have what it took. Forget that you to say that we can get 10 wins, that’s just ludicrous completely ludicrous. Russell Wilson has worked harder in this off-season than he’s ever worked, he has a much better offensive line, four good wide receivers, and the donkeys are going to have the best defensive line in the league. But you want to continue to demean Russ knock yourself out till he reaches 10 wins and we reach five.

I agree with you, Obi, but you're going over the top by calling a playoff prediction for us "ludicrous." At the beginning of last season, the odds of the Bengals winning the Super Bowl were pegged at 150-1, worse than all but a couple of teams, yet they came within two minutes of winning it all. If they can get that close to winning a Lombardi, we can certainly challenge for the playoffs.

As far as Russell's chances with the Broncos, I haven't a clue. I do think that he has a tall order to fill being that they're playing in the most competitive division in the AFC that's loaded with pass rushers and they have to face our division with the likes of Aaron Donald and Nick Bosa. But you're absolutely right about Russell. He's the hardest working player in the league, and he's itching to prove himself all over again. He knows that all eyes are on him, and whether it's fair or not, people are going to pass judgement on him by how successful his team is. I wouldn't put anything past him.

[Hawktawk]

The last 2 games and 4 of 6 Russ looked a lot like Russ . But even in the season ender in a 38-30 shootout he handed AZ 14 quick points , first by failing to account for Chandler Jones being unblocked in the pre snap read . He didn’t audible anyone over and still pulled down the ball instead of one read and throw it away for a strip 6. Not sure it wasn’t the next series he overthrew Homer by 3 feet on a short out leading to a pick to the 1 foot line . I could list games , titans , bears , commanders , both Rams games , Vikings where his inability to convert points or even change field position was the difference . Often due to bone headed rookie mistakes like taking a 14 yard sack when a field goal wins the game . Taking a 12 yard sack to the 1 vs the titans with homer wide open after 2 bad missed throws on first and second .
To my eyes he plays like a guy that’s been hit too much . He’s only played 10 years but he’s got 14 or 15 years worth of sacks. Seeing the rush instead of the field . Innacurate under pressure . Feeling pressure that isn’t there . Not finishing throws and standing in to take a shot.

It’s what I see . Still a great arm and good wheels , generally good football intelligence . So let’s see . Will I be stunned if they go 12-5 ? Sure but probably more than if they go 7-10

[NorthHawk]

Stats are facts . Betting lines are guesses and set by bookies to make maximum profits

Betting lines are far from guesses.
The people who make them study teams far more than you and I. As well they use analytics, trends, and sometimes
inside information if they can get it to establish the odds. It’s their business and how they make money so they
leave as little to chance as they possibly can.

[Hawktawk]

Oh I get it the house always wins. My point is Vegas odds don’t play a snap . Talking heads don’t either . Nor do fans . Nobody had Cincy in the super bowl . Nobody had the 99 rams either with a garbage castaway Kurt Warner forced into the lineup . Jeff Hostetler won one , Brad Johnson, Trent freakin Dilfer . Run , play defense , don’t turn it over .

When I look at this team there’s more than 5.5 wins unless we simply get nothing from our quarterback . If we get 2021 Geno and or Locke beats that we’re winning 10 minimum Vegas be damned . Maybe I should make my own wager .

[NorthHawk]

Oh I get it the house always wins. My point is Vegas odds don’t play a snap . Talking heads don’t either . Nor do fans . Nobody had Cincy in the super bowl . Nobody had the 99 rams either with a garbage castaway Kurt Warner forced into the lineup . Jeff Hostetler won one , Brad Johnson, Trent freakin Dilfer . Run , play defense , don’t turn it over .

When I look at this team there’s more than 5.5 wins unless we simply get nothing from our quarterback . If we get 2021 Geno and or Locke beats that we’re winning 10 minimum Vegas be damned . Maybe I should make my own wager .

They might win 6 or thereabouts but ask yourself how you would try to nullify our Offense.
Most teams when looking at another look for weaknesses to exploit. So what are our weaknesses
on Offense? There are a couple that stand out with the first being youth and inexperience at the Tackle
positions and the other is the relative downgrade at QB.
So the obvious tactic is to eliminate the run game and put it in the hands of the QB. But since the Tackles
are inexperienced, pressure the edges and force quick throws. This eliminates deep throws to DK as a threat
and forces shorter throws underneath that might not be enough for a first down.
As well, with the inexperience on the edges our OTs will be susceptible to DL “games” to sow confusion.

Now, consider the talented DEs we are going to face this year going against the AFC West, our own
division and I’m sure other teams with very talented players. It’s going to be tough early to get untracked
up front if we ever do this year so more than 6 wins might be a lot to ask.

[Hawktawk]

Run run and run some more . With Penney and Walker we will run on everyone. That sets up the pass . I don’t expect us to be invalids at either the tackle or the QB for that matter . We haven’t had franchise qb play for the last year and a half but we’ve game planned as if we did . At the end of last year we had franchise play out of our no longer franchise QB because Penney was running all over everyone . This year we are playing the hand we are dealt. Haven’t tried it in 10 years . Really looking forward to it .

[RiverDog]

Run run and run some more . With Penney and Walker we will run on everyone. That sets up the pass . I don’t expect us to be invalids at either the tackle or the QB for that matter . We haven’t had franchise qb play for the last year and a half but we’ve game planned as if we did . At the end of last year we had franchise play out of our no longer franchise QB because Penney was running all over everyone . This year we are playing the hand we are dealt. Haven’t tried it in 10 years . Really looking forward to it .

You are making a lot of assumptions, my friend. "We will run on everyone"? Your stating your opinion as if it is a fact.

Penny and Walker are just a couple of factors, and even they aren't a sure thing. Despite your assurances, Penny hasn't played a full season in the NFL, and even when he was healthy, didn't always show the flashes of brilliance he showed at the end of last season. There are still huge questions about our offensive line. Can our #1 pick run block? How will two rookie bookends meld into our offense? How will our new center perform?

[NorthHawk]

Run run and run some more . With Penney and Walker we will run on everyone. That sets up the pass . I don’t expect us to be invalids at either the tackle or the QB for that matter . We haven’t had franchise qb play for the last year and a half but we’ve game planned as if we did . At the end of last year we had franchise play out of our no longer franchise QB because Penney was running all over everyone . This year we are playing the hand we are dealt. Haven’t tried it in 10 years . Really looking forward to it .

That only sets up the pass if the runs are successful. If it's 3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out while the opposing Offense is scoring points, you are forced to pass which puts pressure on the OT's.
And with the dominant DEs we are going against this year, it could be disastrous.

[tarlhawk]

Northhawk brings up some valid concerns for our rookie tackles but if our team becomes "forced" to pass...both of our rookies seem comfortable in pass pro growth. As for stud DE's... play action and running directly at them can help back off some of their aggression.

[NorthHawk]

Being comfortable in pass pro and being able to play well against the 2 Bosas, Khalil Mack, Chandler Jones, Bradley Chubb, and others is a massive learning curve even for
a 2nd year OT let alone raw rookies who have never experienced the explosiveness, quickness, power, speed, and perfected techniques that these and other DE's we are
going to face have in their toolbag of tricks. And then there are the stunts and other games the DL uses to confuse that work against seasoned Pro's so just how well will
they work on inexperienced players?
It's a tall order for any pair of OT's let alone raw rookies and it's why I think we might end up signing a veteran OT at some point to help these guys along.

[RiverDog]

Being comfortable in pass pro and being able to play well against the 2 Bosas, Khalil Mack, Chandler Jones, Bradley Chubb, and others is a massive learning curve even for
a 2nd year OT let alone raw rookies who have never experienced the explosiveness, quickness, power, speed, and perfected techniques that these and other DE's we are
going to face have in their toolbag of tricks. And then there are the stunts and other games the DL uses to confuse that work against seasoned Pro's so just how well will
they work on inexperienced players?
It's a tall order for any pair of OT's let alone raw rookies and it's why I think we might end up signing a veteran OT at some point to help these guys along.

A lot would seem to depend on how our schedule falls, which we'll find out tomorrow. If we face some teams early with a great pass rush, say if we open with the Rams, Saints, and Niners, we could struggle. Hopefully, we'll draw some relatively weak teams early, like the Panthers, Giants, Falcons, and Jets, and give our new blood some time to get adjusted to life in the NFL. Imagine being a rookie LT and having to face Aaron Donald in your first game as a pro.

[Hawktawk]

Just read some comments from let’s ride Russels security blanket Tyler Lockett . I’ve always seen him as a soft spoken truth teller . Last year when Russ was struggling Lock said teams weren’t defending us like we saw on film . He got jumped on by Russ and even PC clapped back . Tyler said “ I’m looking forward to a fresh start” it’s exciting . I think we are going to have a great year , I really do” never known him to be anything but a great hawk , certainly not a cheerleader who will say anything .
DK is also all in and on the record praising Geno and defending Locke .

I just don’t think you all understand how this locker room feels . Chip on their shoulder is an understatement . Sitting around listening to a guy making 5 or 10 times most of the guys on the team say he needs better players . Coaches hearing he knows more about offense than they do. They are fired up.

You greatly underestimate how poor our QB play was and also the potential to have a more consistent offense . We will freakin run on anyone if Penney is healthy and / or Walker is who he looks like . It will be our best running year since beast mode . But the qb won’t be 500 yards of it . I feel good

[Hawktawk]

Being comfortable in pass pro and being able to play well against the 2 Bosas, Khalil Mack, Chandler Jones, Bradley Chubb, and others is a massive learning curve even for
a 2nd year OT let alone raw rookies who have never experienced the explosiveness, quickness, power, speed, and perfected techniques that these and other DE's we are
going to face have in their toolbag of tricks. And then there are the stunts and other games the DL uses to confuse that work against seasoned Pro's so just how well will
they work on inexperienced players?
It's a tall order for any pair of OT's let alone raw rookies and it's why I think we might end up signing a veteran OT at some point to help these guys along.

A lot would seem to depend on how our schedule falls, which we'll find out tomorrow. If we face some teams early with a great pass rush, say if we open with the Rams, Saints, and Niners, we could struggle. Hopefully, we'll draw some relatively weak teams early, like the Panthers, Giants, Falcons, and Jets, and give our new blood some time to get adjusted to life in the NFL. Imagine being a rookie LT and having to face Aaron Donald in your first game as a pro.

Just read we have the 11th toughest strength of schedule . So much for finishing last .

[RiverDog]

Being comfortable in pass pro and being able to play well against the 2 Bosas, Khalil Mack, Chandler Jones, Bradley Chubb, and others is a massive learning curve even for
a 2nd year OT let alone raw rookies who have never experienced the explosiveness, quickness, power, speed, and perfected techniques that these and other DE's we are
going to face have in their toolbag of tricks. And then there are the stunts and other games the DL uses to confuse that work against seasoned Pro's so just how well will
they work on inexperienced players?
It's a tall order for any pair of OT's let alone raw rookies and it's why I think we might end up signing a veteran OT at some point to help these guys along.

A lot would seem to depend on how our schedule falls, which we'll find out tomorrow. If we face some teams early with a great pass rush, say if we open with the Rams, Saints, and Niners, we could struggle. Hopefully, we'll draw some relatively weak teams early, like the Panthers, Giants, Falcons, and Jets, and give our new blood some time to get adjusted to life in the NFL. Imagine being a rookie LT and having to face Aaron Donald in your first game as a pro.

Just read we have the 11th toughest strength of schedule . So much for finishing last .

I guess I don't understand. We have a strength of schedule that is in the top 1/3 toughest and it means we aren't finishing last? It seems to me that having a tougher than average SOS would suggest a better chance of finishing last.

[c_hawkbob]

Being comfortable in pass pro and being able to play well against the 2 Bosas, Khalil Mack, Chandler Jones, Bradley Chubb, and others is a massive learning curve even for
a 2nd year OT let alone raw rookies who have never experienced the explosiveness, quickness, power, speed, and perfected techniques that these and other DE's we are
going to face have in their toolbag of tricks. And then there are the stunts and other games the DL uses to confuse that work against seasoned Pro's so just how well will
they work on inexperienced players?
It's a tall order for any pair of OT's let alone raw rookies and it's why I think we might end up signing a veteran OT at some point to help these guys along.

A lot would seem to depend on how our schedule falls, which we'll find out tomorrow. If we face some teams early with a great pass rush, say if we open with the Rams, Saints, and Niners, we could struggle. Hopefully, we'll draw some relatively weak teams early, like the Panthers, Giants, Falcons, and Jets, and give our new blood some time to get adjusted to life in the NFL. Imagine being a rookie LT and having to face Aaron Donald in your first game as a pro.

Just read we have the 11th toughest strength of schedule . So much for finishing last .

I guess I don't understand. We have a strength of schedule that is in the top 1/3 toughest and it means we aren't finishing last? It seems to me that having a tougher than average SOS would suggest a better chance of finishing last.

I think he meant so much for a last place finish (last year) buying you a cushy schedule (this year).

[RiverDog]

I think he meant so much for a last place finish (last year) buying you a cushy schedule (this year).

Ah, IC. That makes more sense.

But there's only what, 3 games that are determined by the same place finisher?

[Hawktawk]

I think he meant so much for a last place finish (last year) buying you a cushy schedule (this year).

Ah, IC. That makes more sense.

But there's only what, 3 games that are determined by the same place finisher?

We’re playing in a tough division and playing the AFC west . But Russ gets to play it twice