Mayfield

[Aseahawkfan]

Not me. The more I see the more evident it is that Wilson wasn't overpaid and that we're gonna wind up having to pay more to get much less. Or just suck until we get a new front office.

I want to see if at some point Pete blames John and has him fired before he goes or if they both go at the same time.

[mykc14]

Not me. The more I see the more evident it is that Wilson wasn't overpaid and that we're gonna wind up having to pay more to get much less. Or just suck until we get a new front office.

It is going to be interesting to see what happens. I know I have been beating this drum for awhile, but we are still waiting to see a QB take up more than 13% of the cap and win the SB. I don't think JS/PC were concerned with his current contract as much as they were worried about the next one. He is going to get over 50 mil/year. 3 years ago, in 2019 RW was the highest paid QB at 35 mil/year. Since then the salary cap has gone up about 20% while QB pay has gone up 50%. QB's getting signed right now are overpaid compared to what they were just 3 years ago, and they were overpaid then (Overpaid in terms of % of salary cap taken up, obviously it is a free market and they get to make whatever the market dictates, but if I'm a GM I'm looking at how much I'm giving my QB and if it is over a certain amount of the salary cap I am calling them overpaid). There are ways to manipulate salaries to absorb a few years of a high cap hit, but overall you are looking at QB's pricing themselves out of your market.

[Aseahawkfan]

40 mil a year is still 16.6% of a 240 million cap. That's just nuts for one player. And Aaron Rodgers is 50 mil a year? It's just getting stupid.

[Hawktawk]

For the Broncos RW has a $24MM cap # this year and $27MM next - but that's his last year, and so will want the new contract next year. They'll get two years with him, but then it get expensive. So, he'll be 36 after that and cost a lot. So Denver better cash in in the next 2 years.

Yup. Especially now that Watson signed for $50m/season and a wanna be like Derek Carr signed for an embarrassingly overpaid $40M. The more I see, the better I feel about the Wilson trade.
Not me. The more I see the more evident it is that Wilson wasn't overpaid and that we're gonna wind up having to pay more to get much less. Or just suck until we get a new front office.

Russ was overpaid by 35 million to check out last year . Lost to several backups who outplayed Russ . Geno outplayed him . I’m angry about a wasted year . Should have traded him a year ago . But better late than never . His time in Denver will decide who was right or wrong but my money is on Denver still being the third or 4th team in their division . If they don’t cash in the next 2 years they and Russ will look pretty silly . One can only hope .

[Hawktawk]

I don't think that they'll ever be able to de-emphasize the quarterback position. The media is always going to want a star to keep viewers tuned in.

But yeah, it is getting way out of balance if a QB like Derek Carr, who hasn't done squat since he came into the league, can bring home that big of a paycheck.

Derek Carr has gotten 2 raiders teams to the postseason in the past 5 years . He broke his leg in the season finale and missed the first one . This year he made the playoffs with no wide receivers left and an interim coach after his friend and mentor left . I guess it’s fitting that he lost on an endzone pick to the AFC champs His handling of the Gruden and Ruggs situation was admirable , demonstrated a very real honest caring for other human beings . And he showed a toughness this year , mental toughness . I think his career is still young and it’s going to include Devonta Adams and Chandler Jones next year . And 2 games against the guy who let it out that he wanted his job . I think Carr has done some things , more than Jack Squat Imo. I said when Russ left he could QB my team.

[NorthHawk]

40 mil a year is still 16.6% of a 240 million cap. That's just nuts for one player. And Aaron Rodgers is 50 mil a year? It's just getting stupid.

I'm on the fence with the QB at that price, but what I think is worse is paying starting QB money for a WR who may only see the ball 5 to 10 plays a game. For me that's a
greater waste of Cap space.

[NorthHawk]

Derek Carr has gotten 2 raiders teams to the postseason in the past 5 years . He broke his leg in the season finale and missed the first one . This year he made the playoffs with no wide receivers left and an interim coach after his friend and mentor left . I guess it’s fitting that he lost on an endzone pick to the AFC champs His handling of the Gruden and Ruggs situation was admirable , demonstrated a very real honest caring for other human beings . And he showed a toughness this year , mental toughness . I think his career is still young and it’s going to include Devonta Adams and Chandler Jones next year . And 2 games against the guy who let it out that he wanted his job . I think Carr has done some things , more than Jack Squat Imo. I said when Russ left he could QB my team.

I was on board last year for trading Wilson to the Raiders for Carr.
I think he's a better QB than people think and would be a very good fit in a Pete Ball Offense.

[Hawktawk]

Yeah when the leaking started again and knowing LV was a possibility I was all over that . It’s tough to win with a bad QB but neither does he need to be all world . Carr might just be getting started .

[jshawaii22]

OH no! Carolina just drafted their next QB so they have confirmed they are no longer pursuing Baker. That means the Seahawks are back on all the fake news media outlets again. I don't care if they give him to us along with a couple of their draft picks and pay all his salary, he's a locker room cancer, NO, NO, NO. Tank this year and wait for the 2023 draft for our next QB.

[NorthHawk]

It’s not like we HAVE to acquire him and he comes with a large Cap hit so there are valid reasons not to.

[Hawktawk]

OH no! Carolina just drafted their next QB so they have confirmed they are no longer pursuing Baker. That means the Seahawks are back on all the fake news media outlets again. I don't care if they give him to us along with a couple of their draft picks and pay all his salary, he's a locker room cancer, NO, NO, NO. Tank this year and wait for the 2023 draft for our next QB.

We may not need him. May already have QBOTF

[govandals]

Looking bleak for Baker now. Where's he gonna go?? If Cleveland can unload him, it will be something akin to the Osweiler trade a few years back. Cleveland will send Baker AND a mid round pick, the other team (hopefully not us) will pay most of Bakers salary. Maybe 75%. Basically, the other team is just buying a draft pick.

[NorthHawk]

Looking bleak for Baker now. Where's he gonna go?? If Cleveland can unload him, it will be something akin to the Osweiler trade a few years back. Cleveland will send Baker AND a mid round pick, the other team (hopefully not us) will pay most of Bakers salary. Maybe 75%. Basically, the other team is just buying a draft pick.

That was crossing my mind, too.
I don't think we have the Cap space to take on his contract as it stands.
They might end up just cutting him and taking the almost $19M hit.

[RiverDog]

They could also keep him on their roster. Watson is far from being in the clear as the league could, and probably will, slap him with a 6 game suspension. The Browns see themselves as a contender, and I don't think they'd be naive enough to think that they could win with Jacoby Brissett.

[Aseahawkfan]

I want to keep all of our round 3 and up picks. Only trade I'd make for Mayfield is a late round pick as he is far from a sure thing.

[NorthHawk]

They could also keep him on their roster. Watson is far from being in the clear as the league could, and probably will, slap him with a 6 game suspension. The Browns see themselves as a contender, and I don't think they'd be naive enough to think that they could win with Jacoby Brissett.

Could they really keep him on their roster?
How would that work with him demanding a trade and feeling disrespected?
A dysfunctional team adding more dysfunction.

[Hawktawk]

They could also keep him on their roster. Watson is far from being in the clear as the league could, and probably will, slap him with a 6 game suspension. The Browns see themselves as a contender, and I don't think they'd be naive enough to think that they could win with Jacoby Brissett.

Great point River

[Hawktawk]

They could also keep him on their roster. Watson is far from being in the clear as the league could, and probably will, slap him with a 6 game suspension. The Browns see themselves as a contender, and I don't think they'd be naive enough to think that they could win with Jacoby Brissett.

Could they really keep him on their roster?
How would that work with him demanding a trade and feeling disrespected?
A dysfunctional team adding more dysfunction.

Well he’s getting 19 million regardless so should the browns just cut him
? Or keep him and hope some team that loses their starter gives them something for him .as river has said the pervert Watson could be suspended . Baker and the browns screwed the pooch on so many levels including him running his mouth non stop
And the team signing a pervert for A QUARTER BILLION DOLLARS guaranteed ……….beam me up Scottie glad I’m not a browns fan .

[NorthHawk]

I don’t think they could go back to him and say play for us now until you get replaced.
I just don’t think it would work.

[RiverDog]

They could also keep him on their roster. Watson is far from being in the clear as the league could, and probably will, slap him with a 6 game suspension. The Browns see themselves as a contender, and I don't think they'd be naive enough to think that they could win with Jacoby Brissett.

Could they really keep him on their roster? How would that work with him demanding a trade and feeling disrespected? A dysfunctional team adding more dysfunction.

It's not their best option by any means as you're right, both Mayfield and the Browns have burned the bridges. But whatever else we think of Mayfield, he's a professional and knows that if he plays poorly or acts like a locker room cancer that it's going to have a major effect on his marketability. On the other hand, if he goes out and plays well, it could be a huge benefit in a QB hungry league, especially when the trading deadline rolls around and teams are in need of that one player that could get them over the hump or a team in the hunt that loses their starting QB. There's plenty of motivation for both sides to bury the hatchet at least for a few months.

[Hawktawk]

I agree with this .the best thing for Mayfiejd may welll be to STFU, take his 19 million guaranteed and play nice till someone calls . I’m guessing if he’s called upon and refuses to play it will affect his contract I would think. It just cracks me up how he’s making 19 million to be a bad QB and the guy can’t be happy .

[mykc14]

I agree with this .the best thing for Mayfiejd may welll be to STFU, take his 19 million guaranteed and play nice till someone calls . I’m guessing if he’s called upon and refuses to play it will affect his contract I would think. It just cracks me up how he’s making 19 million to be a bad QB and the guy can’t be happy .

I don't think his unhappiness has anything to do with his compensation.

[mykc14]

The Browns have F-ed this up as much as any team has have ever screwed up their QB position. They alienated Mayfield before the Watson trade, had to offer the stupidest contract in NFL history to get Watson to agree to go there, manipulated the cap hits so he only has a $10 mil hit this year- to protect him from losing money because he is probably going to be suspended, probably thought they could trade Mayfield for a day 2 pick, were wrong about that and are now stuck with his 19 million this year. After this year Watson carries a $54 million cap hit every year for the remainder of this contract and the one year they could have possibly had a low enough cap hit to possibly win it- this year- they have to pay Mayfield $19. They could have carried over $30 million in cap rollover, essentially lowering Watson cap number to $24 million next year, but nope they couldn't even figure that out. They should have sent Mayfield and picks to somebody to take him how many draft picks is that $19 million worth? If I'm them I'm sending a day two pick to somebody just to take him. What a cluster!!

[NorthHawk]

I read a comment about Watson’s contract and it’s fully guaranteed after this year.
So, if his legal action isn’t settled this year and is finished next year, the NFL as it often does
wait’s until it’s all over then decides to suspend him, the Browns still have to pay him his fully
guaranteed salary. If he’s suspended this year, they won’t. So, in essence they protected themselves against
a $10M hit but didn’t against a $54M hit.

[Hawktawk]

I agree with this .the best thing for Mayfiejd may welll be to STFU, take his 19 million guaranteed and play nice till someone calls . I’m guessing if he’s called upon and refuses to play it will affect his contract I would think. It just cracks me up how he’s making 19 million to be a bad QB and the guy can’t be happy .

I don't think his unhappiness has anything to do with his compensation.

F him
Quarterbacks are supposed to elevate their teams not b**** and team shop. Sick of every one of them . Inckuding you know who . I wish I could push a button and they wake up on the front lines of a war , dig ditches , drive a taxi or a garbage truck and try paying their bills like the rest of us . F them

[jshawaii22]

Mayfield has stated he will refuse to report or practice with the Browns. He can do this without affecting his $$$ until ( I think) game #8, where he has to report. I doubt it really matters at this point. Cleveland will cut him now that the draft is over and be required to pay him "only" the difference between the new and old salaries. That means any team could pick him up for the Vets minimum... I still wouldn't want him. Let Geno or Lock or any QB? start and play for a year. Next year has 3 QBs rated higher then any of this years! Lets go for the gusto and get a top 3 pick. With 4 picks in the first 2 rounds we could really start filling out our team of the future.

[RiverDog]

Mayfield has stated he will refuse to report or practice with the Browns. He can do this without affecting his $$$ until ( I think) game #8, where he has to report. I doubt it really matters at this point. Cleveland will cut him now that the draft is over and be required to pay him "only" the difference between the new and old salaries. That means any team could pick him up for the Vets minimum... I still wouldn't want him. Let Geno or Lock or any QB? start and play for a year. Next year has 3 QBs rated higher then any of this years! Lets go for the gusto and get a top 3 pick. With 4 picks in the first 2 rounds we could really start filling out our team of the future.

I hadn't heard that about Mayfield threatening not to report to camp. Sounds like he's trying to turn up the pressure to trade him.

There's still rumors floating around that he could end up with the Hawks. Prior to the draft there was speculation that the Panthers could be a potential landing spot, but they drafted Matt Corral in the 3rd round, so with Sam Darnold already on their roster, they've likely taken themselves out of the sweepstakes. Plus Jimmy G. is still being dangled out there. Bottom line is that there isn't a heck of a lot of teams that are still in the market.

[RiverDog]

We've all made the assumption that we're going into the 2022 season with Geno, Lock, and Jacob Eason as our signal callers, but there's still a chance that we could end up with Baker Mayfield in the mix:

So what are the chances that Seattle goes after Mayfield? Former NFL quarterback Jake Heaps broke it down during Tuesday’s Jake and Stacy on Seattle Sports 710 AM.

“Via trade? 0% chance,” Heaps said. “Via free agency after being cut? 100% chance. That’s how I feel. That is the disparity between the two. There is no way, no how the Seahawks are going to be anywhere close to being interested in trading for Baker Mayfield.”

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1617027/ ... HFi2pss5Ag

So there's still more drama to come, perhaps.

[NorthHawk]

If he only costs the veteran minimum, bring him in.
His on field production isn't any worse than what we have, but he has to tone down his personality. Basically keep his mouth shut and go to work - where ever he lands.

[Hawktawk]

Heaps was Wilson’s qb guru .he didn’t get much right about him last year .

It really doesn’t matter if he’s cut someone still has to pay him which would be Cleveland ? I see no reason to cut a guy in this QB starved league and pay him . Someone’s star gets hurt they get compensation and part of that salary paid . There’s no more pressure to cut or move him then Watson last year .


Regardless I’ve seen nothing from Pete or John to suggest an interest in Mayfield period . They have 4 guys under contract now . They have told those guys one of them will be the starter .

Mayfield has so greatly damaged his stock with his malcontent attitude , attacks on fans and the organization . He’s had 1 really decent season , ok stats his rookie year . Last year bad , hurt . 17 TDs to 13 picks . Genos #s over a season would be 1500 yards and 20 TDs targeting DK alone . Probably 30 TDs and 4200 yards overall. Yeah I know it’s 13 quarters but there is the math and it’s all we got . Just like Penney over 17 games is a 2k plus RB with 15 house calls . Yeah I’m optimistic . Roll with these guys we have
What is the upside of Mayfield coming in to this organization . Russels stature , a worse attitude , never had or will have the athletic skill . Why ?

[NorthHawk]

If they can't trade him they will have to cut him.
It's too much of a distraction and maybe even an impediment to productivity with him lurking in the background.
The Browns have pretty much lit a fire to almost $19M with his guaranteed contract so getting rid of him is in their best interest.

[obiken]

If they can't trade him they will have to cut him.
It's too much of a distraction and maybe even an impediment to productivity with him lurking in the background.
The Browns have pretty much lit a fire to almost $19M with his guaranteed contract so getting rid of him is in their best interest.

We agree! They are going to take one hellava cap hit for him HT. I would rather have Jimmy G, he would be a perfect bridge qb for us. The problem as you know however, is the 49ers are never going to give him to someone in their own division.

[Hawktawk]

Jimmy G threw 3 picks and 1 TD in the postseason . His special teams unit won in Green Bay along with his defense . He is the reason we swept them . He is the perfect example of why we should be optimistic with the guys we have because as bad as he is and playing hurt they won 2 of 3 from LA and were a dropped Stafford rocket ball from a super bowl . Why is everyone so dead set on bringing in some middle of the road veteran with half the arm strength ? We can win with the guys we already have .

[RiverDog]

I doubt that we'd get Mayfield for the league minimum. There's several teams that might be interested in him if he's cut and Cleveland has to eat the $19M. His experience alone would be enough to earn a backup job somewhere. I'm also not buying the injury excuse for his performance last season, and apparently the Browns aren't, either, or else they wouldn't have gone after Watson like they did. I'm glad that we didn't take the bait on him, but I wouldn't mind letting him come in here and compete for a job so long as it didn't cost us anything.

I agree with Hawktalk about Jimmy G. I don't want anything to do with him.

I'm good to go with the 3 QB's we have on the roster.

[Hawktawk]

We have 4 with the UDFA. One left hand run around guy somewhat reminicent of Wilson and 3 big tall dudes with rifle arms.

[RiverDog]

We have 4 with the UDFA. One left hand run around guy somewhat reminicent of Wilson and 3 big tall dudes with rifle arms.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about him. Thanks for the correction.

[NorthHawk]

I don’t know if it will happen but if i did, I wouldn’t be surprised.
Mayfield will be able to choose where he goes so he may choose here if invited.
With a league minimum contract he will still get about $20M for 1year and he has to
look at which team gives him the best chance to resurrect his image (and career).

[mykc14]

Looks like June 2nd could be the catalyst to getting Mayfield out of Cleveland. After June 1st his salary can be changed to a bonus and cap hit spread over multiple years. Like I have said many times before I am all for bringing Mayfield on as long as we aren't paying anywhere near to his full salary or giving up a day 1 or 2 draft pick, but a round 4 or 5 pick with a $9 million cap hit spread over the next two years would be OK with me.

[Hawktawk]

Looks like June 2nd could be the catalyst to getting Mayfield out of Cleveland. After June 1st his salary can be changed to a bonus and cap hit spread over multiple years. Like I have said many times before I am all for bringing Mayfield on as long as we aren't paying anywhere near to his full salary or giving up a day 1 or 2 draft pick, but a round 4 or 5 pick with a $9 million cap hit spread over the next two years would be OK with me.

Why? He’s considered a bust in Cleveland , they could not unload him to anyone . He’s going to cost more than Geno and Locke put together plus a draft pick ? And you get a guy with Russel Wilson’s stature without the arm talent or wheels or football intelligence . Coupled with a terrible attitude . Listening to DK and Lockett they are pretty fired up with what’s going on right now and they would know . Shane Waldron repeated yesterday that Geno remains in the lead , picked up where he left off in 21 , very comfortable with the offense . He said Locke is fighting his tail off to catch up . He did say that they are in shorts and tennis shoes right now so there’s lots of time left to see who wins . Nowhere in his or Pete’s or JS comments do I get any indication they are adding any other veteran . Especially a guy who threw 17 TDs with OBJ and Jarvis Landry , nick Chubb in back of him
Not my choice at all.

[RiverDog]

Looks like June 2nd could be the catalyst to getting Mayfield out of Cleveland. After June 1st his salary can be changed to a bonus and cap hit spread over multiple years. Like I have said many times before I am all for bringing Mayfield on as long as we aren't paying anywhere near to his full salary or giving up a day 1 or 2 draft pick, but a round 4 or 5 pick with a $9 million cap hit spread over the next two years would be OK with me.

That's a good scoop, mykc. My gut feeling is that if Pete were uncomfortable with his QB situation, that he would have drafted one as there were a number available that had dropped further than anyone had expected.