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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Aseahawkfan » Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:20 am

mykc14 wrote:I'm hoping we look elsewhere. If we do pick a QB in round 2 I really only want Corral, but honestly I hope we keep drafting OL/DL. Get me a good EDGE or G!! I would love to have somebody to pair with Taylor and somebody who will compete with Jackson for a that starting G spot. I also wouldn't hate picking a Center or Corner.


I'm with this.

D-line and CBs and O-line, good by me. Get them rebuilt. You don't get to bully anyone if your lines can't bully at the LoS. Once you have your lines built, then you can dictate and it makes it easier to develop a QB who doesn't have to be a rabbit runner to stay alive.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby obiken » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:41 pm

I Seattle’s up please let it be Willis please!
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby obiken » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:47 pm

Damn it prick, They better not screw it up here.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby obiken » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:51 pm

I’m done guys I’m off pee Carol it was a great run it really was but were are coming up on 10 years now. Sorry, in the last seven or eight drafts have just sucked! I may not watch a live Seattle game this year, DVR! Willis to me just had all the upside that you want in a quarterback with a great arm, all he lacked was experience. Well how many teams have quarterbacks last year that had very little experience with first round pics, I’m just off.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:53 pm

Mafe should be a good complement to Taylor and a good Pass rush immediately helps the Secondary.

Kenneth Walker is another good pick at a position of need.
Productive 2nd round!
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby TriCitySam » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:53 pm

I like both picks - Daniel Jeremiah had both as 1st rounders. Was kinda looking for a CB, but these are both solid picks. Again, pleased we didn't jump into this weak QB class. Amazing how some who have complained about their drafting in years past, are pissed because they took solidly rated players and didn't reach. :?
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:55 pm

obiken wrote:I’m done guys I’m off pee Carol it was a great run it really was but it were coming up on 10 years now in the last seven or eight drafts have just sucked! I may not watch a live Seattle game this year old issues DVR! Willis to me just had all the upside that you want in a quarterback with a great arm all he lack was experienced well how many teams have quarterbacks last year they had very little experienced with first round pics I’m just off.


Willis needs a lot of work. He’s not even as good as Drew Lock at this point and will take a couple of years before
he’s ready to start. He would be good value in the 3rd.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Aseahawkfan » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:55 pm

I'm liking both these second round picks. Look like strong potential. And both fast and athletic.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Aseahawkfan » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:59 pm

NorthHawk wrote:Mafe should be a good complement to Taylor and a good Pass rush immediately helps the Secondary.

Kenneth Walker is another good pick at a position of need.
Productive 2nd round!


Given we're switching to a 3-4, I'm thinking Taylor and this guy probably be the outside with Brooks and Cody inside.

Now we gotta find some fat boys in the 3rd round to anchor at the line of scrimmage. Nice thing about 3-4 DEs and is they more like run stuffing DTs. Just big boys there to anchor and take up blockers while your LB pass rushers go get it.

You have Taylor and Mafe sliding back and forth waiting for the opportunity to smash the QB.

3rd round a good place to find some fat boy 3-4 DEs or a good guard.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Old but Slow » Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:05 pm

Good impact picks. My furniture seems relieved.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby obiken » Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:46 pm

Old but Slow wrote:Good impact picks. My furniture seems relieved.


Yeah I am sure, you and HT, better hope that Pickett or Willis don't become good starters, or RW doesn't go to the 2 round of the Playoffs, or you guys are going to be my human verbal chum!
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Aseahawkfan » Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:48 pm

obiken wrote:Yeah I am sure, you and HT, better hope that Pickett or Willis don't become good starters, or RW doesn't go to the 2 round of the Playoffs, or you guys are going to be my human verbal chum!


Did anyone take Willis yet or do we have a chance to take him in the 3rd round?
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:02 pm

Still not taken.
I would like to pass on a QB this year and concentrate on building a better base.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby obiken » Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:27 pm

NorthHawk wrote:Still not taken.
I would like to pass on a QB this year and concentrate on building a better base.
Of course you would.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby obiken » Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:41 pm

Aseahawkfan wrote:I'm liking both these second round picks. Look like strong potential. And both fast and athletic.


Who do you honestly think is going to be the starter ASHF, do you think we get Mayfield or go with Locke? Just wondering. IF I were picking I would go with Geno Smith, I just have zero faith in DL, after all the time that Denver put into him.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Aseahawkfan » Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:55 pm

Another tackle. Interesting. They really do intend to try to rebuild the lines. Nice.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:58 pm

Next years QB draft will be much better.
There’s a reason they’ve all fallen as far as they have this year (the kid from Pitt being the exception) and
Rider just went to Atlanta.

Abraham Lucas graded out as one of the best run blockers in this draft. Immediate help for
the run game.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby mykc14 » Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:00 pm

Very good pick- last three have been outstanding! I'm really liking this draft so far. We could have bookend tackles from this draft!! Mafe has major upside and we all knew they'd draft a RB and this one looks pretty good. Best draft in awhile, IMO, and that's without me loving our pick at #9!
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby tarlhawk » Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:04 pm

Drew Lock reflects the possibility that the QB's in 2022 are no better than what he already offers. John Elway drafted Lock as a future franchise QB and should have realized the scouts were revealing a lot of talent but probably least prepared due to shaky off coordinator turnover/turmoil in college...wasn't ready to be thrown to the wolves in the NFL then suffers same experience in the NFL with 2nd year change in Denver off coordinators. Geno Smith is insurance to be bridge QB if he wins battle with Lock...Jacob Eason a dark horse candidate. Baker Mayfield extreme long shot unless Cleveland gives him a release outright. 2023 offers good QB hope if our 2022 competition doesn't pan out.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:10 pm

Rumor has it that the Panthers are working on trading for Mayfield.

It would seem we’re giving Lock a chance to show what he has and go after a QB next year if he isn’t
the answer.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby tarlhawk » Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:35 pm

Outstanding draft filling needs without trading up or down. We had our choice of QB's with our 2nd rd selections (Pickett was never really a rumored choice) so Drew Lock must have been a sincere want...not a "throw-in". John Schneider/Pete Carroll continue to take advantage of an unfortunate trade of RW. Can't afford a one-two punch of Penny/Carson? ...Penny/Walker might be even better. Our Bookends (LT/RT) got the needed infusion making Stone Forsyth and Jake Curhan as solid depth behind Charles Cross and Abe Lucas. We still need a solid corner and back-up center to make this an excellent draft for talent infusion.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Oly » Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:49 pm

It's been a long time since I was this happy with a draft. After the first pick I wondered, like most of you, what the offensive philosophy is going to be given Cross' profile. But with two OTs from similar offenses, it seems less like they chose Cross despite his background and skillset, and more like they are intentionally building a different kind of offense under Waldron.

And both the other picks seem like good value at need positions. I would have loved a CB or an interior lineman on either side of the ball, but 4 picks can't fill all of the holes on this roster. Plus, they avoided this shitty class of QBs. So great start, and let's hope for more of the same tomorrow.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Hawktawk » Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:44 pm

tarlhawk wrote:Drew Lock reflects the possibility that the QB's in 2022 are no better than what he already offers. John Elway drafted Lock as a future franchise QB and should have realized the scouts were revealing a lot of talent but probably least prepared due to shaky off coordinator turnover/turmoil in college...wasn't ready to be thrown to the wolves in the NFL then suffers same experience in the NFL with 2nd year change in Denver off coordinators. Geno Smith is insurance to be bridge QB if he wins battle with Lock...Jacob Eason a dark horse candidate. Baker Mayfield extreme long shot unless Cleveland gives him a release outright. 2023 offers good QB hope if our 2022 competition doesn't pan out.



They are really gonna do it... Enter the season with a QB room of Geno, Locke, and the forgotten man Jacob Eason :lol: :lol: . 3 big Dudes with big arms. Locke has the biggest arm and hard to say between Eason and Geno. What I saw in the development of Geno in the last 3 years is good news for the Seahawks and all 3 of these guys. The cupboard isn't bare .

Who knows they might take some guy in the 6th and hes Brady :D :D
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Hawktawk » Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:47 pm

NorthHawk wrote:Rumor has it that the Panthers are working on trading for Mayfield.

It would seem we’re giving Lock a chance to show what he has and go after a QB next year if he isn’t
the answer.

Don't forget Pete said Geno is ahead of the competition right now . I hope Locke beats him too but as I've said I'm not a bit concerned if Geno winds up under center.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby obiken » Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:13 pm

Hawktawk wrote:Don't forget Pete said Geno is ahead of the competition right now . I hope Locke beats him too but as I've said I'm not a bit concerned if Geno winds up under center.


Locke is NOT going to be a good starting NFL QB, period, get over it. He is arrogant and his decision making process sucks!! The Broncos invested A LOT of time and money into this guy, and is the reason that John Elway gave up control. They went and got RW for a reason. The reason is DREW LOCKE!!. Man HT, I am starting to think I had your football intelligence on too much of
a pedestal!
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:17 pm

Oly wrote:It's been a long time since I was this happy with a draft. After the first pick I wondered, like most of you, what the offensive philosophy is going to be given Cross' profile. But with two OTs from similar offenses, it seems less like they chose Cross despite his background and skillset, and more like they are intentionally building a different kind of offense under Waldron.

And both the other picks seem like good value at need positions. I would have loved a CB or an interior lineman on either side of the ball, but 4 picks can't fill all of the holes on this roster. Plus, they avoided this shitty class of QBs. So great start, and let's hope for more of the same tomorrow.


Actually Cross and Lucas are from two different Offenses. Lucas’s last 2 years were in a more traditional
Offense where they ran the ball more than 45% of the time while Cross was in an offense that ran it about 20%
of the time. Leach was at Washington State but he left 2 years ago so Lucas has had better coaching in being
a RT in a style of Offense that’s much closer to what is played in the NFL. Lucas started about twice as many
games as Cross.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby mykc14 » Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:04 am

I'm really liking this draft so far. RTOTF (Lucas), EDGE, and RB were all huge value picks that also fill needs. All 3 are scheme fits with huge upside. I do t get too optimistic around drafts but I imagine that if we are serious SB contenders in the next 3 years all three will be starting for us.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby RiverDog » Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:10 am

I was fully expecting us to take Ridder with one of those two first round picks and was shocked when all three of the most often talked about QB's that could end up with us were still there in the 3rd, but I'm glad we didn't. We have two first round picks, with a good chance that at least one of them could be a top 10, so I'm good waiting till next season to find our QBOTF if Lock doesn't pan out. This has to be a historic draft for QB's, with just one taken in the first 2.5 rounds with Ridder, Willis, and Corral all falling past us all the way to #74. Told you, Obi!

Sam Howell, QB out of North Caroliina, and Carson Strong out of Nevada, of whom I've heard discussed as a potential Hawk target, could be taken by us at #109, so there's still a good chance that we could be drafting a QB.

I'm generally against taking RB's in the first round of the draft for the reasons we've discussed earlier, but since we had two selections, it doesn't seem as if it's an outrageous move to take one. Those little fire hydrants don't seem to be as exposed to injury as other body types, so hopefully he won't be competing with Penny and Carson for time in the hot tub. But he's going to see limited use, especially given that he's not reported as being a very good blocker or receiver.

The other guy, Mafe, looks like a solid pick, as does the tackle out of WSU. I don't see any huge reaches in the first 3 rounds like we have in other drafts. I'm also surprised that we didn't execute any trades in the first 3 rounds. Perhaps Pete and John aren't feeling their oats like they have in the past. Sometimes I think that they trade just for the sake of trading and reach for players just to prove to the world how unique and superior their system is.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:32 am

They seemed to have been caught up in their own hype about picking "their guys" instead of the best player at a position of need in recent past.
I think Lucas is the better OT at this point. He's solid in pass blocking and one of the best run blockers in this draft, but he's a RT and not a LT
which lowered his stock. He had a real good Sr Bowl week and very good Combine, but like all players there are some things to work on.
The RB Walker should be fine in our Offense. He has more than just speed, he has some power and lateral quickness. He's only about 1 inch
shorter than Lynch and 5 or so lbs lighter so he's not that small, but we can't expect him to break tackles like Marshawn could.
Mafe was an interesting selection as he has short arms. Maybe they just looked at his production and thought he can overcome that or perhaps
Desai and Hurtt told them he was a guy who can help off the edge. In any case he should be a good pairing with Taylor to add pressure.

In all it was a good 2nd day for building the team and maybe it will carry on to day 3.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby govandals » Sat Apr 30, 2022 7:14 am

Wow, what got into PCJS
No trade down
No reaches
No overthinking or getting too cute
Letting the draft come to them
Not selecting a QB

Excellent job so far! Looking forward to what today brings. My only nitpick is a 2nd round RB. I would have preferred a LB as I think there is good depth at RB. Again, minor nitpick.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby govandals » Sat Apr 30, 2022 7:18 am

RiverDog wrote: Those little fire hydrants don't seem to be as exposed to injury as other body types, so hopefully he won't be competing with Penny and Carson for time in the hot tub.


True! Great comment
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Old but Slow » Sat Apr 30, 2022 8:07 am

This has been a good draft for us and there is reason for optimism. Keep in mind that some "can't miss" picks miss.

The Lucas pick is the topper for me. He may be the best overall tackle in the draft. His agility numbers (short shuttle and 3-cone) were the best of the offensive linemen at the combine, he is a strong run blocker, and he has a slot waiting for him. He was down graded mainly because he is not a LT. Most of the tackles taken before him will end up as guards, Cross needs some sand in his pants, and Penning is just a clone of Giacomini/Ifedi. Even Neal and Ekwonu, who will play as tackles, and play well, are more suitable as guards.

The talent for the 3d day looks strong, and it will be a good year for the udfa class. Teams that have multiple holes in depth attract the free agents because of the better chance to earn a job. For today, Zach Tom is a good player who can play center, but a third OL might be a bit much. Michael Clemons (edge) has my fingers crossed, and this might be the time to take a QB finally.

It was nice to wake up in a good mood this morning, which is rare for a draft day.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Sat Apr 30, 2022 8:32 am

Old but Slow wrote:This has been a good draft for us and there is reason for optimism. Keep in mind that some "can't miss" picks miss.

The Lucas pick is the topper for me. He may be the best overall tackle in the draft. His agility numbers (short shuttle and 3-cone) were the best of the offensive linemen at the combine, he is a strong run blocker, and he has a slot waiting for him. He was down graded mainly because he is not a LT. Most of the tackles taken before him will end up as guards, Cross needs some sand in his pants, and Penning is just a clone of Giacomini/Ifedi. Even Neal and Ekwonu, who will play as tackles, and play well, are more suitable as guards.

The talent for the 3d day looks strong, and it will be a good year for the udfa class. Teams that have multiple holes in depth attract the free agents because of the better chance to earn a job. For today, Zach Tom is a good player who can play center, but a third OL might be a bit much. Michael Clemons (edge) has my fingers crossed, and this might be the time to take a QB finally.

It was nice to wake up in a good mood this morning, which is rare for a draft day.


I'm pretty much on board with this except I think Cross has a massive learning curve ahead.
Interestingly I heard he is going to be his own agent. I wonder if it will affect the contract even though there is salary slotting now.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby TriCitySam » Sat Apr 30, 2022 8:42 am

I said on here a couple of days ago that I'd be thrilled to have Cross on one side and Lucas on the other....so I remain very happy (other than being convinced Cross would go in the top 5 and modifying my 3-deep) . With Carson's injury bug and question marks around Penney, RB was a need.

Brock Huard has done a number of MSU games:

"YES!! Kenneth Walker is my Russell Wilson and Tyler Lockett over the last decade. Just simply one of my favorite players in college football. Look MSU coach Mel Tucker in the eyes and ask him about Walker and you'll know why SEA made this pick......I watched first hand how his power, speed and pedigree transformed a program."

Not everyone likes Brock, and no doubt, some feel they learned more from their recliner. I hope he's spot on.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Hawktawk » Sat Apr 30, 2022 9:02 am

The LT is described as the best pass protector in the draft . The right tackle is the best run blocker . The back is described as the best back in the draft . Carson is reportedly toast and DeeJay and Collins are not prime time players . He may be a true change of pace back . The edge guy looks really good . Looks to me they have filled key needs without a single reach so far
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Sat Apr 30, 2022 9:06 am

The back is described as the best back in the draft


By who?
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Hawktawk » Sat Apr 30, 2022 9:17 am

[quote="obiken"][quote="Hawktawk"]Don't forget Pete said Geno is ahead of the competition right now . I hope Locke beats him too but as I've said I'm not a bit concerned if Geno winds up under center.

Locke is NOT going to be a good starting NFL QB, period, get over it. He is arrogant and his decision making process sucks!! The Broncos invested A LOT of time and money into this guy, and is the reason that John Elway gave up control. They went and got RW for a reason. The reason is DREW LOCKE!!. Man HT, I am starting to think I had your football intelligence on too much of
a pedestal!
Last year Russ wasn't a good QB and then he asked to be dealt. As for whose in the room right now you have to remember the same guys who found Wilson and developed him have had Geno in the system 3 year and were high on Locke in the draft. HIs comparable soma type is Josh Allen, one of my favorite QBs. Big strong mobile widebody, super tight spiral withy a "hose" arm. I've watched some tape and its true, highest velocity I've ever seen on a football. Locke can throw it 70 yards . Looked good, 4-1 last 5 as a rook then a new regime and system. Hes had 3 or 4 coordinators. Had a grumpy old man, lifelong defensive guru Fangio as a head coach last 2 years.

Listening to the kid hes nothing like you describe. If anything he lacks confidence. He surrendered number 3 which he didn't have to do. Said all the right things. Tyler Polumbus who played both places and has a radio show said the biggest thing he has going for him is an insane arm, best under center out of play action or first read." He has never had a coach like Pete Carroll" was my takeaway.

He is physically far bigger and stronger than Wilson at 6'4". Imagine him handing off to Penney and the new guy then play action to DK, Lock ,Swain , Eskridge, Dissley, Fant who has already caught 74 balls from Locke. I never get a response but I find it a fascinating side note to the trade.

We will be loaded at the skill positions. And who knows about Eason, hes the biggest strongest guy of all. Maybe they coach him up. We will be quite a bit better on offense than last year and a half whoever wins this competition and we will be able to run a QB sneak if we need to.
It looks to me like the FO and PC had enough of little guy running scramble drill. as scouts said last year "risk averse with a great deep ball"

Geno 6'3".5. Lock 6'4", Eason at least 6'5" all gunslingers. The world champs QB is a gunslinger. The QB that almost beat him is a gunslinger. The QB both AFC QBs beat to get to the big game are gunslingers. You could say Carr is. Its the winning formula. In the case of Stafford he threw 17 picks, 4 for pick 6s but he put his foot in the ground and unleashed it. So does Geno. So does Locke. Waldron is going to have an easier year.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Hawktawk » Sat Apr 30, 2022 9:25 am

c_hawkbob wrote:The back is described as the best back in the draft

By who?


it’s a draft analysis I read . Who knows ? He’s compact , extremely fast at 4.38 speed and elusive and productive finishing 5th in heisman voting . Short powerful elusive fast guys create problems for defenses . We will have a great offense next year .
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby TriCitySam » Sat Apr 30, 2022 9:39 am

c_hawkbob wrote:The back is described as the best back in the draft

By who?



By PFF, Chris Sims and others, and almost all had him #2 (Hall was not #1 or #2 in some). Walker led all of college football with 89 broken tackles, called a "violent ball of muscle". Pete and John's comments about Carson didn't leave one optimistic about his return.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Sat Apr 30, 2022 9:40 am

Coby Bryant in the 4th at #109.
He played opposite of Sauce Gardner in Cincinnati and won the Jim Thorpe DB of the year.
It seems he was overshadowed by Gardner and might be a good nickel or dime back if not
a starting CB.
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