Trade Metcalf

[RiverDog]

The College game is producing more good WRs because of the devaluation of the running game. There are far more spread type Offenses than ever and this draws
better coaching along with attracting better athletes to the position. I would think that this years 2nd round WR's would have been high 1st round options 15
years ago, it's changed that much. So getting a good WR shouldn't be very difficult. Getting the exceptional WR will always be difficult as it is with every
position.

Precisely. They're a dime a dozen. Not the elite receivers, mind you, but there are plenty of very good wide receivers in the mold of a Doug Baldwin or Tyler Lockett. There's no sense spending high draft picks on them or in paying them 10-12% of the cap. A good, solid offensive tackle is much harder to come by than a good, solid WR.

[Aseahawkfan]

What's so odd is that if you do have a good run game combined with a good pass game, your entire team usually does better. Run game grinds clock and keeps the opposing offense off the field even better than a good passing game and defense.

[RiverDog]

What's so odd is that if you do have a good run game combined with a good pass game, your entire team usually does better. Run game grinds clock and keeps the opposing offense off the field even better than a good passing game and defense.

Yep. The best defense is a good offense.

[Hawktawk]

What's so odd is that if you do have a good run game combined with a good pass game, your entire team usually does better. Run game grinds clock and keeps the opposing offense off the field even better than a good passing game and defense.

Yep. The best defense is a good offense.

Yes or should I say reliable consistent movement of chains . Over the seasons our offense became more boom or bust as Russ became more the feature of the offense . A great example would be the Titans where Seattle stormed to an early lead on long bombs from Russ while the D got gassed tackling Henry . In the second half we had one big play I remember , a TD bomb to Swain on a blown coverage on 3rd and 12 . Other than that enough punts to allow Tenessee to come all the way back to OT. Our D stops them and we go 3 and out -12 yards to end it . Shut out second half vs Vikes . Shut out first half of the following game . I could go on and it’s not necessarily all Russ but if you have the worst 3rd down completion % in football most of the last TWO Seasons your D has no chance .

[tarlhawk]

but there are plenty of very good wide receivers in the mold of a Doug Baldwin or Tyler Lockett. There's no sense spending high draft picks on them or in paying them 10-12% of the cap.

Tyler Lockett is not your common college WR...Great WR normally have quickness (allowing them to exploit good route running) or Top flight speed to get quick separation on go or deep cross routes. Lockett has both which at this stage in DK's development makes Tyler the more dangerous target if the QB doesn't throw behind...making Lockett slow and losing his wider gap burst distance.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yep. The best defense is a good offense.

I wouldn't say that myself. Part of the defensive game plan is a good run game. Passing games move the ball too fast, score too quickly, and don't eat clock. If you have two good passing games with weak defenses and no run game, you end up in shootouts. Those are not offenses providing good defense. It's more keep throwing and hope you're the last one standing at the end.

The more solid team if going against a great passing offense is a run game with good defense and adequate passing game. The run game doesn't stop the clock and keeps the opposing offense off the field with clock and yard grinding drives.

That's why Pete's scheme, which is a classic scheme and not Pete Ball, works so well even now when it has the parts needed. To me it's the classic ball control strong defense you seen as a staple for teams like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New England, and us when those teams have the personnel to execute. It works great and is the very best option for winning Super Bowls if you can build the units and have the running game and QB to get it done.

[NorthHawk]

You can have a good Offense that doesn’t restrict the special qualities that make them great, just look
at KC or the WCO of Bill Walsh. The formula is to get superior talent and let those players use it.
Peteball on the other hand doesn’t permit that and we’ve seen it with them trying to make Graham
a complete TE. Greg Olsen commented that he was surprised by that in meetings when different
plays were suggested but dismissed because it didn’t fit what Pete wanted to do. I suspect it’s part
of what caused Wilson to want out.

[Aseahawkfan]

You can have a good Offense that doesn’t restrict the special qualities that make them great, just look
at KC or the WCO of Bill Walsh. The formula is to get superior talent and let those players use it.
Peteball on the other hand doesn’t permit that and we’ve seen it with them trying to make Graham
a complete TE. Greg Olsen commented that he was surprised by that in meetings when different
plays were suggested but dismissed because it didn’t fit what Pete wanted to do. I suspect it’s part
of what caused Wilson to want out.

Bill Walsh's WCO worked best with a strong run game which is why Roger Craig was a dual 1000 receiver and back. Run game is very important.

Pete's football scheme works fine. It's a classic football game plan. It won a Super Bowl and went to another.

This talk of Pete dismissing plays is after the fact criticism. You start losing, suddenly the critics come out of nowhere. When you're going to the Super Bowl and winning, everyone is happy and talking smack.

I have zero issues with Pete's scheme. I don't buy any of the Pete Ball gossip. Pete likes a ball control offense with a strong run game with a play-action passing game with some innovation if the QB can do like Russ with a strong defense. Only problem with it he doesn't have the personnel to execute it right now.

I've heard Belichick maintains tight control of the offense and defense with no cowboying or deviation. Probably nearly every coach does including Mike Holmgren and Bill Walsh when they ran their teams.

I'm not real sure what point you're trying to make. Pete's scheme is a classic scheme. It works. There aren't coaches who adapt or change things too much from what they do. So this idea that KC or Frisco did much different isn't holding water. They run what their coaches wanted to run and found the players to execute it.

We know with 100 percent certainty that the type of scheme Pete wants to run works extremely well when the talent is there just like any other scheme.

To me scheme and the like are mostly unimportant. It all comes down to drafting and talent management. You win during the offseason and you'll win during the season.

[NorthHawk]

My understanding of Belichick is he goes into the meetings at the beginning of the week and they
talk about the Defense they are playing and points out the strengths and weaknesses then they
discuss players who they have to watch out for and others they can take advantage of. The rest
is left up to the OC and coaches so the game plan changes from week to week and nothing is off
the table. Note how different their Offense was with Moss and the deep balls and when they had
a dominating RB like Dillon. He uses the players to their strengths. Peteball doesn’t do that as
we’ve seen and heard from former players.

[Aseahawkfan]

My understanding of Belichick is he goes into the meetings at the beginning of the week and they
talk about the Defense they are playing and points out the strengths and weaknesses then they
discuss players who they have to watch out for and others they can take advantage of. The rest
is left up to the OC and coaches so the game plan changes from week to week and nothing is off
the table. Note how different their Offense was with Moss and the deep balls and when they had
a dominating RB like Dillon. He uses the players to their strengths. Peteball doesn’t do that as
we’ve seen and heard from former players.

You're never gonna convince me that is the issue. I've never seen this as the issue with any team ever. Every single great coach I've ever watched had their way of doing things built around experience and strategy. When they have the personnel, it works. When they don't, it doesn't. It's that simple.

Anyone claiming otherwise really doesn't know what they're talking about and is trying to overcomplicate what is overall a very simple sport played a specific way over and over again.

Pete's way is not some special thing he does. It's an accumulation of knowledge and use of metrics that he considers important like turnover ratio and the like which is probably one of the reasons he reduces the number of risky plays and likes to keep the ball on the ground because it's better for turnover metrics. The turnover ratio is a huge component of consistent winning.

I do not know nor will I ever worry about Pete or most coach's schemes.

I might worry a bit about the ability to make adjustments during the game. That is a very real coaching factor. If an opponent is exploiting some miscalculation in the weekly game plan and you cannot adjust, that's bad coaching. In game adjustments are where coaches and especially OCs and DCs make their money. If they can't adjust, then Houston we have a problem.

Pete's schemes and general offensive and defensive philosophy are not a problem at all. He just needs the talent to execute them which they have been failing to find for quite a few years.

[Hawktawk]

My understanding of Belichick is he goes into the meetings at the beginning of the week and they
talk about the Defense they are playing and points out the strengths and weaknesses then they
discuss players who they have to watch out for and others they can take advantage of. The rest
is left up to the OC and coaches so the game plan changes from week to week and nothing is off
the table. Note how different their Offense was with Moss and the deep balls and when they had
a dominating RB like Dillon. He uses the players to their strengths. Peteball doesn’t do that as
we’ve seen and heard from former players.

This is correct. I've heard that Belichick is the only guy in the league that develops a completely different game plan on both sides of the ball every week depending on who hes playing. It shows...He had a pretty good play for the rub route. Just sayin