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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby tarlhawk » Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:40 pm

Aseahawkfan wrote:I've been watching the NFL long enough to know what's going on in Seattle and it's a rebuild. We've gotten rid of all our veteran players and don't have a competitive team right now.


Does semantics even matter? Rebuild/Reset...whatever...its entertainment not one of life's true dramas. I don't watch a bad movie and "pretend" its not so bad to feel good about the small fortune I spent watching it away from home. My investment in following football is time and effort... and enjoying the gathering of knowledge about it. I give it the same diligence as I would a hobby. Your standards must be pretty high to call this team shabby but whatever its your opinion and your time. You boast of having experienced thirty plus years of watching as if that qualifies your dismay. Rebuild doesn't mean you tear it all down...you don't attract new coaches to a sinking ship...how many coaches actively seek jobs in cities with poorly run organizations? An NFL team has a lot of ever changing dynamics to overcome...this team's leadership has been steady since its arrival in 2010. To many cities a Super Bowl is a never ending fantasy...our city entered as an expansion team and has been there three times...twice under this leadership. I trust in history and experience for accomplishing difficult goals and PC/JS have been showing success where many...many have failed. Most NFL teams have failed to achieve what the few teams better than our own have accomplished. Fear and defeatism are shared in the unknown...not what is understood. So...to each his own...
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:32 pm

Semantics do matter.
By not calling it like it is shows Pete is in denial. What follows is probably more of the same which has us in the
position we are in.

How many coaches would be attracted to a poorly run organization? Most who are looking for a chance to be a
HC in the NFL. As well, in a poorly run organization there is a chance that they could get more power than
in other organizations. Being a HC in the NFL is a huge accomplishment for any aspiring coach.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby RiverDog » Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:45 am

tarlhawk wrote:Does semantics even matter? Rebuild/Reset...whatever...its entertainment not one of life's true dramas. I don't watch a bad movie and "pretend" its not so bad to feel good about the small fortune I spent watching it away from home. My investment in following football is time and effort... and enjoying the gathering of knowledge about it. I give it the same diligence as I would a hobby. Your standards must be pretty high to call this team shabby but whatever its your opinion and your time. You boast of having experienced thirty plus years of watching as if that qualifies your dismay. Rebuild doesn't mean you tear it all down...you don't attract new coaches to a sinking ship...how many coaches actively seek jobs in cities with poorly run organizations? An NFL team has a lot of ever changing dynamics to overcome...this team's leadership has been steady since its arrival in 2010. To many cities a Super Bowl is a never ending fantasy...our city entered as an expansion team and has been there three times...twice under this leadership. I trust in history and experience for accomplishing difficult goals and PC/JS have been showing success where many...many have failed. Most NFL teams have failed to achieve what the few teams better than our own have accomplished. Fear and defeatism are shared in the unknown...not what is understood. So...to each his own...


NorthHawk wrote:Semantics do matter. By not calling it like it is shows Pete is in denial. What follows is probably more of the same which has us in the position we are in. How many coaches would be attracted to a poorly run organization? Most who are looking for a chance to be a HC in the NFL. As well, in a poorly run organization there is a chance that they could get more power than in other organizations. Being a HC in the NFL is a huge accomplishment for any aspiring coach.


I don't know if semantics means anything or not. Pete is so full of it that even if he truly believed that he was rebuilding, he could, and probably would, make it sound like he was making plans for the 2nd Sunday in February. As we've both said on multiple occasions, Pete is not a credible source of information, even less credible when it comes to something as general and subjective like his philosophy.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:10 am

With Pete and John, I think it's a matter of extreme hubris which plays into how they talk to the media and think.
It's quite unfounded going by the moves they've made in previous drafts, FA, and overall personnel management.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby RiverDog » Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:17 am

NorthHawk wrote:With Pete and John, I think it's a matter of extreme hubris which plays into how they talk to the media and think.
It's quite unfounded going by the moves they've made in previous drafts, FA, and overall personnel management.


We'll see if they're reloading or rebuilding this Thursday and Friday. If we take a quarterback at #9, #40, or #41, then it's likely that they see us as reloading. If they draft linemen or cornerbacks, then it would be a strong indication of a rebuild.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:49 am

Since we don't have much in the way of OT now, I would expect them to take at least one this draft.
But then if history is a guide, they will probably not draft any and we will go into the season with 2 inexperienced starters or they will trade 2 first round picks for an old OT who
is now backup material then be forced to pay Duane Brown $20M to come back for a season.
That pretty much sums up their most recent style of team building.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby tarlhawk » Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:40 am

Some of the posters on here continue to amaze me with their ire/disdain of a coach/GM tandem that has given us continued success in the modern NFL era and continue to put out a highly entertaining product to the television audience and the local community. Yes Russell Wilson and Bobby Wagner played huge roles ever since their arrival in our storied 2013 draft ...but its the team inspired by these two great on the field leaders that bear the earmarks of our coach and GM. A talent laden team is a big boon to making coaching life easy...but a very good coach can inspire an above average team to play at its very best and give any team nightmares if they come unprepared. Those of you that insist on being "over the top" with some of your criticisms of our team in general and our management in particular offer no convincing arguments to deter my own views and acknowledgement of enjoying a very good football TEAM...top to bottom.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:51 am

tarlhawk wrote:Some of the posters on here continue to amaze me with their ire/disdain of a coach/GM tandem that has given us continued success in the modern NFL era and continue to put out a highly entertaining product to the television audience and the local community. Yes Russell Wilson and Bobby Wagner played huge roles ever since their arrival in our storied 2013 draft ...but its the team inspired by these two great on the field leaders that bear the earmarks of our coach and GM. A talent laden team is a big boon to making coaching life easy...but a very good coach can inspire an above average team to play at its very best and give any team nightmares if they come unprepared. Those of you that insist on being "over the top" with some of your criticisms of our team in general and our management in particular offer no convincing arguments to deter my own views and acknowledgement of enjoying a very good football TEAM...top to bottom.


The players you mentioned are all gone.
We are left with an empty shell and some good memories.
The last 7 years have been an example of how to systematically ruin a talent rich team with bad drafts, bad trades, and bad FA acquisitions.
It's why we don't have a solid talent base today. It's why we have so many holes and are without any semblance of team identity.
It's been a scat show for 7 years and there's no indication it's going to change with this regime.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby tarlhawk » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:45 am

NorthHawk wrote:The players you mentioned are all gone.
We are left with an empty shell and some good memories.
The last 7 years have been an example of how to systematically ruin a talent rich team with bad drafts, bad trades, and bad FA acquisitions.
It's why we don't have a solid talent base today. It's why we have so many holes and are without any semblance of team identity.
It's been a scat show for 7 years and there's no indication it's going to change with this regime.


Where to begin? Past 7 years? Beginning in 2015? ...after back to back Super Bowl invites? ...after assembling one of the best young teams and therefor very cheap with many on the roster being paid like rookies but performing like champions? Where does such logic begin? As those players age and earn real pay with 2nd and 3rd contracts...we suddenly suffer because of the wins they enjoy? Our salary cap baloons at the same time our draft positions plummet...there is good reason the draft is kindly referred to as a "Lottery"...your talent base drops because your odds of becoming "lucky" in the draft have been greatly decreased (because now many teams are given "first dibbs" on talented players...wait your turn) while at the same time your financial budget has shrunk. Can you lure big time Free Agents by asking them to play for less pay? When does the reality of the complexity of running a dynamic business under the NFL guidelines set in?

Your mantra of "last 7 years" gets old when during those SAME 7 years our team has never finished less than 2nd in our tough division and twice (2016 and 2020) we were NFC West Champions. Pity the poor Arizona Cardinal fans whose team has had to basically play the role of "spoiler" the last dozen years...at least the Rams and 49ers have taken turns being our nemesis.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Aseahawkfan » Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:36 pm

tarlhawk wrote:Does semantics even matter? Rebuild/Reset...whatever...its entertainment not one of life's true dramas. I don't watch a bad movie and "pretend" its not so bad to feel good about the small fortune I spent watching it away from home. My investment in following football is time and effort... and enjoying the gathering of knowledge about it. I give it the same diligence as I would a hobby. Your standards must be pretty high to call this team shabby but whatever its your opinion and your time. You boast of having experienced thirty plus years of watching as if that qualifies your dismay. Rebuild doesn't mean you tear it all down...you don't attract new coaches to a sinking ship...how many coaches actively seek jobs in cities with poorly run organizations? An NFL team has a lot of ever changing dynamics to overcome...this team's leadership has been steady since its arrival in 2010. To many cities a Super Bowl is a never ending fantasy...our city entered as an expansion team and has been there three times...twice under this leadership. I trust in history and experience for accomplishing difficult goals and PC/JS have been showing success where many...many have failed. Most NFL teams have failed to achieve what the few teams better than our own have accomplished. Fear and defeatism are shared in the unknown...not what is understood. So...to each his own...


All I need from you is to provide examples of a team doing what Pete and John have done and succeeding. As in trading away the franchise QB and rebuilding a Super Bowl contender with the same team with a full rebuild. Same coach.

We have examples of QBs going to Super Bowls or winning with the same team rare as it is. Brady with the Patriots. Elway with the Broncos going with Reeves and winning with Shanahan. It's rare for QBs too, but it's almost unheard for head coaches to rebuild and win with the same team.

Yeah. Pete and John built the greatest era of Seahawk football ever and likely as good as any of us will ever see in our lifetimes in Seattle. But the pattern is they have done it as well as they can and it is not repeatable. In the NFL coaches have a limited time to get it done and once they get it done as Pete and John did in spectacular fashion, they don't get it done again with the same team. Why? I don't know. I only know the pattern and that is nearly absolute as I rack my brain to figure out anyone else who has done it and come up with no one other than Shula taking Marino to the Super Bowl one time and losing. And Bill B with Tom Brady doing it with newly constructed teams across two decades and he had the greatest QB of all time fully committed to winning under center to accomplish this including taking less money to keep a better team around him.

The chances of Pete and John building another Super Bowl Era are slim to none. That is what the pattern says.

You don't want to accept the pattern, I really don't care. If they get rid of Pete within the next few years which is what I'm expecting or this year is irrelevant. It's going to happen. You are unlikely to see any change to the pattern.

Your rubbish talk of "fear and defeatism" is ridiculous. It has nothing to do with my analysis which is based on the NFL ebbs and flows I've seen over the years. The pattern will play out as it has for the history of the NFL for a variety of reasons that likely have to do with difficult to pinpoint variables like luck, age, stale offensive and defensive principles, burnout, and a variety of other factors that make patterns like this common in the NFL and many sports.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:41 pm

Yah, the last 7 years when we’ve gone how far in the playoffs?
We’ve seen a team rich in talent in 2014 slowly fall to middling status.
Now we don’t have a QB that can win games so we see another degradation of talent.
So you think our FO is so great? Why haven’t they been able to build an OL?
Pete has been talking about improving the pass rush for 4 years and it’s still not there.
RB? Knowing both RBs can’t put in a full season and bypassing RBs in the draft that
go on to Pro Bowls. CB? The once feared talent has become just a memory and now we’re
hoping to get some help in the draft. Safety? How about the Jamal Adams trade for
great trading moves.

The fact is our FO is far beyond its expiry date and it’s starting to smell. I fear this draft
will be another stink it up session where they select “Their Guys” and bypass more players
in positions of need who go on to long careers as regular Pro Bowl participants. You know,
like bypassing TJ Watt in favor of LJ Collier after talking about needing to upgrade the
pass rush.

It’s time for them to move on. Actually it was time to go a few years ago.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby tarlhawk » Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:42 pm

NorthHawk wrote:I fear this draft will be another stink it up session where they select “Their Guys” and bypass more players
in positions of need who go on to long careers as regular Pro Bowl participants. You know,
like bypassing TJ Watt in favor of LJ Collier after talking about needing to upgrade the
pass rush.
It’s time for them to move on. Actually it was time to go a few years ago.


TJ Watt was from 2017 draft...LJ Collier from 2019 draft...we had no 1rst rd pick in 2017...we traded down into 2nd rd selecting Malik McDowell. Due to a severe (almost loss of life) tragic ATV accident Malik never made it through camp let alone a single snap of meaningful football for us. You have expressed your mistrust of John Schneider and Pete Carroll to the degree that you no longer need to try to be convincing of your own opinion basis. We shall see...regardless of outcome I seldom gloat or point out "I told you so"...I'll be thankful of good results whether expected or unexpected...
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:55 pm

My mistake. We traded down past Watt for a player who had character flaws that were well known.
We see the results today. One is a Pro Bowl player, the other is a FA after
playing for the Browns. It’s still a case of outsmarting themselves which is a common
theme with this regime.

I’m just not a fanboy like you and am critical when the facts say so.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby tarlhawk » Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:47 pm

A fanboy idolizes his subject when there is clear/contrary evidence suggesting the subject is worthy of critique and not any form of admiration. Opinions are a viewpoint not needed to be shared but offered. I respect other's opinions and enjoy opinions that make me look things up or illicit a response. I favor neither Pete Carroll or Russell Wilson...but in opinion have heavily supported both...both of these men have benefited from each other's inspiring characters.

Timing and opportunity often shape history in sports. I have witnessed from the comfort of home what I acknowledge as great coaching...John Thompson from College Basketball with the Georgetown Hoyas...Don Shula who steered the Miami Dolphins successfully...and Pete Carroll upon his arrival in 2010. Many good players...final year of Patrick Ewing and "sleepy" Floyd...the twin towers of Alonzo Mourning/Dikembe Mutumbo...the span of Bob Griese to Dan Marino/Mercury Morris to David Overstreet and the great Dolphin safety combo of Jarvis Williams and Louis Oliver...the oldest Seahawk game I attended was a Monday Night Football game with John Elway's Broncos dueling Dave Krieg and Curt Warner/Steve Largent. The 2005 Super Bowl shook my trust of referee involvement in a game's outcome.

Critiquing a team you are a fan of is often expressed in the heat of a game...but I try not to critique in an open forum those things I have no true insight on or knowledge of...its always tempting to state opinions as fact...I prefer subjective opinions over objective ones...my opinions are not exclusive of my personal feelings so I apologize to those of you who seem "targeted"...I am not a fanboy or threat to those of you who are set to express mostly dismay. Certain topics should foster passion or stated beliefs...I don't see sports as that kind of venue.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Stream Hawk » Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:15 pm

NorthHawk wrote:My mistake. We traded down past Watt for a player who had character flaws that were well known.
We see the results today. One is a Pro Bowl player, the other is a FA after
playing for the Browns. It’s still a case of outsmarting themselves which is a common
theme with this regime.

I’m just not a fanboy like you and am critical when the facts say so.

For sure, and they used to be very coy the first four years.
Many of us stood by the trust in PC/JS.Then the OMG picks started.

I did a lot of mock drafts a few weeks back. Kind of just ready for it to happen now. Excited for tomorrow! I want to see some over due generational talent brought. Hope they don’t try to outsmart and draft down. Hopefully not go below top 12 pick. Still wanting to focus on the lines. I will accept either cornerback, but would prefer a trade down to get a cb or anyone other than one of the top edge or OTs that fell.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Aseahawkfan » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:11 pm

One more day. I am hoping for some stud DT, but those guys are hard to find. I hope they hit this 9 pick out of the park. We need a stud player at some key position.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby RiverDog » Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:31 am

Draft Day is upon us.

The first round of the 2022 NFL draft, held on The Strip in Las Vegas, starts at 5pm this evening and will be carried live on ESPN, NFL Network, and ABC. Ten minutes are allowed from when one team makes their announced pick and when the next team's pick is due to be submitted. The first round is expected to last 3.5 hours, so our first pick, the #9 overall, is likely to occur around 6pm if we don't trade out of it.

There are a record 8 teams without a first round selection. This includes the Bears, Browns, Broncos, Colts, Raiders, Rams, Dolphins, and 49'ers. Consequently, there are also 8 teams with two first round picks: The Jets, Giants, Texans, Lions, Eagles, Saints, Packers, and Chiefs. With that kind of disparity, the likelihood of a trade, which obviously can occur at any time, is enhanced.

There's always some Hollywood added into the first round of the draft, with former players or celebrities making announced picks or teams making them from some remote location, and you can expect them to heap on the baloney when making the announcement.

Rounds 2 and 3 begin at 4pm PT. The rules change slightly with 7 minutes allowed between selections. Rounds 4-7 starts at 9am Pacific Time.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby tarlhawk » Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:40 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:One more day. I am hoping for some stud DT, but those guys are hard to find. I hope they hit this 9 pick out of the park. We need a stud player at some key position.


Well recent buzz has been about Jordan Davis (stud DT-Georgia)

By PFN
Oliver Hodgkinson
March 5, 2022

Coming into the 2022 NFL Combine, we knew that Jordan Davis was a stellar athlete for his behemoth size. What we couldn’t predict was that the imposing Georgia defensive tackle would emerge from Indianapolis with one of the greatest athletic testing performances of all time.

Jordan Davis annihilates the opposition at the 2022 NFL Combine
If you’ve watched Georgia on their run to their 2022 National Championship success, you know that Davis has emerged as one of the most imposing interior defensive linemen in the nation. While he might not have been the statistical standout like Michigan’s Aidan Hutchinson or David Ojabo, he still finished ninth in the Heisman Trophy voting.

On Saturday night in Indianapolis, Davis put Hutchinson, Ojabo, and Co. in the shadow of his incredible frame. The 6’6″, 340-pound defensive tackle shocked the NFL world with a frankly insane 4.78 40-yard dash. Although teammate Devonte Wyatt emerged as the fastest defensive tackle in the NFL Combine’s marquee drill, it was Davis who stole the show.

To put Davis’ achievement in perspective, it was the fastest 40-yard dash time for any player over 310 pounds since 2006. Despite weighing more than Jason Peters and measuring taller than Rob Gronkowski, Davis’ time was faster than renowned mobile quarterback Patrick Mahomes. Furthermore, his 10-yard split of 1.68 was quicker than Cleveland Browns wide receiver Jarvis Landry.

While NFL Network showed the defensive line prospects going through on-field drills, Davis went and broke the broad jump record for a player over 300 pounds. At 340 pounds, he jumped 10’3″. At this point, we’re running out of superlatives to describe Davis’ incredible athletic testing performance.

RAS demonstrates the rarity of Davis’ 2022 NFL Combine performance
Relative athletic score (RAS) is a metric that showcases how athletic a player is compared to their positional peers. Well, Davis literally has no peers. According to the creator of RAS, Kent Lee Platte, the Georgia defensive tackle put in the most athletic performance of any defensive tackle in the history of the metric.

His height and weight are both classed as “elite” by RAS. There’s no doubting that he’s an imposing nose tackle. The size and weight make him an unmovable object who often requires double and triple-team blocks. His command of such attention has allowed his teammates to prosper from a statistical standpoint.

The 40-yard dash time of 4.78 gives him a RAS of 9.9. While his 20-yard split of 2.8 isn’t official, it earns a RAS of 9.63. Finally, from the speed perspective, Davis’ 10-yard split of 1.68 garners a 9.54 RAS. There’s just one word to summarize his speed: Elite.

With elite size and speed, Davis confirmed his domination of the 2022 NFL Combine with elite grades from the drills that help determine explosion. His 32″ vertical jump earned an 8.81 RAS. Sensationally, his record-breaking 10’3″ broad jump garnered a 9.98 RAS. Davis came into the Combine as one of the best defensive tackle prospects in the class. He leaves as one of the most athletic prospects of all time, with the potential for an early first-round selection in the 2022 NFL Draft.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby RiverDog » Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:49 am

After the Aaron Curry debacle, I am very leery of placing too much faith in these combine workout wonders. You don't mind reaching for a pick in the later rounds, but at #9 overall, I want to make that pick count.

That doesn't mean I'm against taking Davis at #9, just that we not put too much weight on the measurables displayed at the combine or pro days.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby tarlhawk » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:07 am

RiverDog wrote:After the Aaron Curry debacle, I am very leery of placing too much faith in these combine workout wonders. You don't mind reaching for a pick in the later rounds, but at #9 overall, I want to make that pick count.

That doesn't mean I'm against taking Davis at #9, just that we not put too much weight on the measurables displayed at the combine or pro days.


Wisely spoken...Davis isn't just a combine hero...he already has many defensive accolades and even Heismann Trophy considerations (not really close but in the top ten for an award treasured by QB and RB).
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:52 am

What the Combine did show with Davis is his ability to bend and his quickness and explosion at 340lbs. He played at 360lbs and some say more but was also limited to a rotation
so he didn't get the chance very often to try to rush the passer. One of the questions that keep popping up about him is can he keep his weight at 340? But there's no question
he's far more athletic than a lot of people thought. He has a chance to be a boom or bust type of player but it's all up to him. If he can stay at 340, I would like to have him if we
trade down a few spots. We really miss a player that can collapse the pocket but how he was used by Georgia doesn't give us much info on if he can be effective doing that.
Pass rush has been a real need for years here so if they get one of the top DE's we can pair him with Taylor and be set for years. If Davis can get real pressure up the middle it
can be a lesser substitute but still quite helpful.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:58 am

Are we going to trade up?

On the subject of moves, which are mentioned often in the days ahead of a draft, teams have contacted the Giants about the No. 7 overall pick, Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.com tweets. The Seahawks are one of them, having shown interest in moving from 9 to 7. Seattle has often traded down in Round 1 under John Schneider, though the team has not enjoyed top-10 real estate since Schneider and Pete Carroll‘s first draft together (2010). Possessing needs at several spots, the Giants have been connected to using their No. 5 pick and trading down from 7.


https://www.profootballrumors.com/2022/ ... ys-penning

I think it might be more of just feeling out how entrenched teams are about moving from their current slot. That would give others a feel for who might move up and for what player.
It's all part of getting the lay of the land before the draft starts. But if they did move up, it wouldn't surprise me if they overpay and give up one of their 1sts next year and more to
move up 2 spots.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Aseahawkfan » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:27 pm

We need a few HRs this draft and a few solid contributors. Please, please find us an amazing D-line, pass rusher, or CB. I want a fearsome defense again.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby TriCitySam » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:31 pm

Watching NFL Draft Countdown....right away saw Donnie Osmand and Wayne Newton...think I’m gonna puke.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby RiverDog » Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:35 pm

TriCitySam wrote:Watching NFL Draft Countdown....right away saw Donnie Osmand and Wayne Newton...think I’m gonna puke.


If I have to watch those two, I'll never complain about entertainment like the rap artists they had at this year's SB halftime ever again.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby TriCitySam » Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:14 pm

Well...I had him as my 3-deep pick until I got convinced he wouldn’t be there. I like the pick, as I’ve said: long term, you want a LT to be a pass protector as the #1 trait, and many feel he’s the best.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby RiverDog » Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:33 pm

TriCitySam wrote:Well...I had him as my 3-deep pick until I got convinced he wouldn’t be there. I like the pick, as I’ve said: long term, you want a LT to be a pass protector as the #1 trait, and many feel he’s the best.


This is Pete Carroll's run first offense we're talking about, so he's going to have to be a bulldozer as well as a pass protector.

But on the other hand, maybe it's a signal that he's letting his OC make the offensive calls. Only time will tell.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:35 pm

TriCitySam wrote:Well...I had him as my 3-deep pick until I got convinced he wouldn’t be there. I like the pick, as I’ve said: long term, you want a LT to be a pass protector as the #1 trait, and many feel he’s the best.

RiverDog wrote:This is Pete Carroll's run first offense we're talking about, so he's going to have to be a bulldozer as well as a pass protector.

But on the other hand, maybe it's a signal that he's letting his OC make the offensive calls. Only time will tell.

I can just see Russ: "oh sure NOW you pick one!"
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby RiverDog » Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:00 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:I can just see Russ: "oh sure NOW you pick one!"


Well, that was the pick we got from Denver for Russell, so he can't complain and keep a straight face.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:05 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:I can just see Russ: "oh sure NOW you pick one!"

RiverDog wrote:Well, that was the pick we got from Denver for Russell, so he can't complain and keep a straight face.

Oh come on, tell me you can't see the irony in it.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby obiken » Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:08 pm

I think Cross is a good pick he is better as a prospect than GI but with Willis out there I think its a bad choice.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby RiverDog » Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:17 pm

obiken wrote:I think Cross is a good pick he is better as a prospect than GI but with Willis out there I think its a bad choice.


Obi, Willis bailed out of Auburn to go play at mighty Liberty. He has played against substandard, inferior competition. He's too big of a risk to take with a top 10 pick, which is why he's falling out of the first round.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby NorthHawk » Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:22 pm

I’m hoping that they stay away from a QB until later in the draft and let them see what they have
in Lock. As well, next years draft is expected to be a much deeper QB draft and we have 2 1st round
picks to more up if we want. This year should be about putting the building blocks in place for
the future with so much depth in the next 3 or 4 rounds. But we have to make these next picks
count and hopefully get a good Center.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby RiverDog » Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:37 am

There was only one QB taken in the first round, Kenny Pickett to the Steelers at #20. How long has it been since that's happened?

Looking at the teams ahead of us in the 2nd round, there's only one QB needy team ahead of us, so if we don't trade out of one of those picks, I fully expect us to take a QB. Obi, you could end up with Willis after all.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby Hawktawk » Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:13 am

I like the pick. Not sexy but smart . As for Russ being upset you know what ? He had Duane Brown whose life he made pretty hard trying to figure out where he was running away from the pocket to. The line will be fine . Our Qb won’t get hit too much. :D
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:42 am

Seeing that a good bit about finally taking a top flight tackle. Well, like HT said, the Seahawks went and got Duane Brown to satisfy Wilson and he didn’t take advantage of it. Add the fact that the Seahawks never drafted high enough in the Wilson era to pick a top flight tackle barring trading the farm to move up. It’s a nifty headline, but doesn’t hold up next to reality.

As MS State alum, I’m happy to have him on the Seahawks, but I do hope he can become a legit NFL LT.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby tarlhawk » Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:25 am

Interesting post I saw where Cross is lauded on having good athleticism and great mirroring ability and then Stone Forsythe was also mentioned at having similar skills (a 6th rd steal...expected as high as 3rd rd) but not as polished so now we have Cross and have Cross Lite (Forsythe) in development/back-up.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby tarlhawk » Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:32 am

RiverDog wrote:But on the other hand, maybe it's a signal that he's letting his OC make the offensive calls. Only time will tell.


Sam Gold (known for film study) really likes Charles Cross for his fit in a Waldron type offense...so Dickerson and Waldron should be able to utilize him while fine tuning him with Andy Dickerson's coaching.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:35 am

Hopefully this also helps. Cross stated he’s been training at both LT and RT as well as working out of a 3 point stance. Happy to hear he’s aware of what he’ll be asked to do and is working on it.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft

Postby mykc14 » Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:34 am

RiverDog wrote:There was only one QB taken in the first round, Kenny Pickett to the Steelers at #20. How long has it been since that's happened?

Looking at the teams ahead of us in the 2nd round, there's only one QB needy team ahead of us, so if we don't trade out of one of those picks, I fully expect us to take a QB. Obi, you could end up with Willis after all.


I'm hoping we look elsewhere. If we do pick a QB in round 2 I really only want Corral, but honestly I hope we keep drafting OL/DL. Get me a good EDGE or G!! I would love to have somebody to pair with Taylor and somebody who will compete with Jackson for a that starting G spot. I also wouldn't hate picking a Center or Corner.
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