Hawks to Resign Geno

[Aseahawkfan]

I’m not focusing at all on his injured season. The very season you mention where he threw for 40 tds, he laid an egg in the biggest game of the season. Something is off, dude. Russel hasn’t been the same, and it isn’t all on the team. I really wanted him to come back and right his ship, and, therefore, the Seahawks ship. Either he didn’t want it, didn’t think it could be done with the current team/coaching, they didn’t see eye-to-eye on the offensive, or Pete and John didn’t think he could get right again.

And the very company Russel Wilson holds himself with make it work with RB injuries or mediocre back fields. When you make the kind of salary they make, you have to deliver in the big games.

Plenty of guys have been paid big money and they fail more often than they succeed unless you're name is Tom Brady. Aaron Rodgers is paid big money, he has one Super Bowl ring. Football is one of those sports where a lot of things have to come together in a given year to win it all.

All you pay the Pro Bowl QB for is to punch your ticket to the playoffs every year. Russ got this team to the playoffs and gave them a chance to win.

Not having a great game against the Rams last year isn't exactly a surprise. They seem to have our number.

Once again, nothing you say will change that this team is bad. It's not a great team around Russ. This team would have fallen out of the playoffs 5 years ago if not for Russ. It's about to go through a period of no playoffs for probably at least 2 years, possibly more if they keep failing to build the talent back up.

No matter how good your QB is, you won't win it all without good talent around them including a quality defense.

[Aseahawkfan]

In 13 quarters Geno threw to DK 17 of 21 for 4 touchdowns , 251yards and a passer rating of 151.5 for Geno . When Russ returned DK had to wait till his 7th game back vs the bears to get another. Did you really say Russ made DK great ? Lockett? Not lately . And don’t bring up the injury thing cause he said he was ready after 3 games doing his 2 minute drill pre game , look at Russ . Geno completed 10 passes to Lockette IN THE FIRST HALF . Yeah it was the jags that beat Buffalo 9-6 the next week . Geno was 1-2 and was a play away from winning all of them including the rams . Facing the super bowl champ , a hall of famer and 2 #1 overall Quarterbacks , 3 great defenses and a bad one that held Buffalo to 6 points the following week . Our receivers will be just fine not running the scramble drill . Geno played good .

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Geno at starting QB. 1 win and 3 losses. Stat that matters.

[Hawktawk]

He only started 3 games . He scored 10 in the 4th quarter of the rams game , same as Russ the entire second game . None of this has to do with the roster , Pete’s bad decisions , Johns misses . Like Tri City Sam says we are about as successful as many other teams and some of our recent drafts are gonna show up.


This is about whether we should have forced a declining Wilson to play out his deal and franchise him or lose him for nothing . With his reported attitude why would you ? This post is about whether Geno can somehow beat the great RWs 42% completion % on 3rd and 4th down , league worst and it wasn’t much better last year . We had 3 games with 4 three and outs in a row and all were Russ games .

You want to talk record ? Russ is 6-9 in his last 15 including a brutal playoff performance . He returned to a 3-5 team coming off a huge win and ruined the season with 3 straight losses , 2 to backups .

We’re not replacing what we would have been a few years ago .

[RiverDog]

He only started 3 games . He scored 10 in the 4th quarter of the rams game , same as Russ the entire second game . None of this has to do with the roster , Pete’s bad decisions , Johns misses . Like Tri City Sam says we are about as successful as many other teams and some of our recent drafts are gonna show up.


This is about whether we should have forced a declining Wilson to play out his deal and franchise him or lose him for nothing . With his reported attitude why would you ? This post is about whether Geno can somehow beat the great RWs 42% completion % on 3rd and 4th down , league worst and it wasn’t much better last year . We had 3 games with 4 three and outs in a row and all were Russ games .

You want to talk record ? Russ is 6-9 in his last 15 including a brutal playoff performance . He returned to a 3-5 team coming off a huge win and ruined the season with 3 straight losses , 2 to backups .

We’re not replacing what we would have been a few years ago .

Coming off a huge win? It was against the 4-13 Jaguars, the team that earned the #1 overall, for crying out loud!

Look, I understand where you're coming from. In a lot of respects, I'm right there with you. Russell hasn't played well for some time, and even though I feel that he was far from being our biggest problem, his sub par play contributed to our demise into mediocrity. But please, try to restrain yourself when you put your heavily biased spin on your comments. It compromises the very valid and legitimate points you're trying to make.

[Hawktawk]

He only started 3 games . He scored 10 in the 4th quarter of the rams game , same as Russ the entire second game . None of this has to do with the roster , Pete’s bad decisions , Johns misses . Like Tri City Sam says we are about as successful as many other teams and some of our recent drafts are gonna show up.


This is about whether we should have forced a declining Wilson to play out his deal and franchise him or lose him for nothing . With his reported attitude why would you ? This post is about whether Geno can somehow beat the great RWs 42% completion % on 3rd and 4th down , league worst and it wasn’t much better last year . We had 3 games with 4 three and outs in a row and all were Russ games .

You want to talk record ? Russ is 6-9 in his last 15 including a brutal playoff performance . He returned to a 3-5 team coming off a huge win and ruined the season with 3 straight losses , 2 to backups .

We’re not replacing what we would have been a few years ago .

Coming off a huge win? It was against the 4-13 Jaguars, the team that earned the #1 overall, for crying out loud!

Look, I understand where you're coming from. In a lot of respects, I'm right there with you. Russell hasn't played well for some time, and even though I feel that he was far from being our biggest problem, his sub par play contributed to our demise into mediocrity. But please, try to restrain yourself when you put your heavily biased spin on your comments. It compromises the very valid and legitimate points you're trying to make.

As I have said till I’m blue in the face if you start a game with 15 completions against any team it’s damn good . 20 for 24 with 2 passing TDs and one that missed by a yard that he cashed in with a slam dunk himself Is good . 138 passer rating is damn good . Dk said it well “
Never had a ball like that “ after the game but nobody cares . That Jags team was coming off a close loss to Cincy and BEAT THE BILLS 9-6 the week after Seattle throttled them in all phases . Their final win of the year was in the season finale knocking the Colts out of the playoffs with a convincing win .

It’s the freakin NFL river . It’s a field goal league . 31 to 7 is very good . If you want to minimize the amazing game the entire team had to support your argument fine . I think it was a great win and so did Pete . The next game the D even kept it up until it became clear Russell had forced his way back far too soon and the season was lost .
I think looking at who Geno had to play his stats are great and we can win with the guy . Schneider said today that signing Geno won’t stop them from taking a qb if there’s one they want so it might not matter . If they draft a guy who is going to make the roster I would see Geno as released long before Locke unless they were going to deal him as I think Locke may have a bit of trade value .

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

My premise isn't that this team is great nor are they necessarily better without Wilson. It's that Russ hasn't been himself for a while now, and, in moving on, the Seahawks are probably a .500 team with Geno unless some breaks go our way.

Geno isn't a savior, but he isn't useless either.

[Aseahawkfan]

My premise isn't that this team is great nor are they necessarily better without Wilson. It's that Russ hasn't been himself for a while now, and, in moving on, the Seahawks are probably a .500 team with Geno unless some breaks go our way.

Geno isn't a savior, but he isn't useless either.

I doubt they'll be 500. I think they are a 5 to 7 win team at best with Geno, maybe worse if they don't hit on any defensive picks in the draft.

I think the Seattle fan base is in for a wake up call like they haven't had since the 90s as to how bad this team is and how much Russ was the only thing preventing them from complete collapse, which is I believe one of the major reasons he wanted out. I'm not usually the down guy like some others, but I call it like I see it. This is a bad team on both sides of the ball that Russ was holding together like elite QBs can do when a team has crashed like ours did 3 or 4 years back.

Even though the fan base won't admit it, Russ could see the writing on the wall with Carroll. Carroll has lost his way. He hadn't been drafting well for a while. The longshot picks and crap trades were wasting draft capital with nothing to show for it. Russ didn't want to stay around to watch Carroll throw more O and D-coordinators under the bus to cast blame for their crappy drafting and roster management.

Carroll came in, did amazing things in those first five years, but you want to talk about a guy who is under-performing and has lost his way it is Pete Carroll more than any of them. He runs the team and has the whole the time he's been here. This entire team is a reflection of his decision making and bad drafting and free agency moves. Until we move on from him, we're not going much of anywhere because Carroll has spent all of his chips creating the most amazing Seahawks team in history. Now he's like so many other great coaches who come in strong, really focused and energetic, then find reaching that level of success continuously or ever again is just out of reach because they are at the point where they can't let go of what they think is still there (Carroll claiming we're not rebuilding) and are unable to recapture that energy when they first arrived and had a chip on their shoulder with something to prove. Now Carroll's at that point where he's had so much success and so much money, he's desperately trying to squeeze out the last drop of what he can get out of that team he built. But it's just not there any more.

That's what I think is going on. I think the next few years will bear it out in the record and possibly even the drafting.

Sad thing is we don't have a Paul Allen around any longer to fix it. I do not think Russ is on another team if Paul Allen is still alive and he would have already moved to fix what was wrong, specifically a head coach no longer practicing the methods that built the Super Bowl team when he first arrived.

We'll probably be sold in the next few years. Hopefully we can find an owner who loves the team as much as Paul did.

[Aseahawkfan]

As I have said till I’m blue in the face if you start a game with 15 completions against any team it’s damn good . 20 for 24 with 2 passing TDs and one that missed by a yard that he cashed in with a slam dunk himself Is good . 138 passer rating is damn good . Dk said it well “
Never had a ball like that “ after the game but nobody cares . That Jags team was coming off a close loss to Cincy and BEAT THE BILLS 9-6 the week after Seattle throttled them in all phases . Their final win of the year was in the season finale knocking the Colts out of the playoffs with a convincing win .

It’s the freakin NFL river . It’s a field goal league . 31 to 7 is very good . If you want to minimize the amazing game the entire team had to support your argument fine . I think it was a great win and so did Pete . The next game the D even kept it up until it became clear Russell had forced his way back far too soon and the season was lost .
I think looking at who Geno had to play his stats are great and we can win with the guy . Schneider said today that signing Geno won’t stop them from taking a qb if there’s one they want so it might not matter . If they draft a guy who is going to make the roster I would see Geno as released long before Locke unless they were going to deal him as I think Locke may have a bit of trade value .

1 and 3 is all that matters. Russ wouldn't be Russ if he had went 1 and 3 during his years as QB. He wouldn't have been the starter. And we wouldn't have seen the playoffs or won anything.

[Hawktawk]

My premise isn't that this team is great nor are they necessarily better without Wilson. It's that Russ hasn't been himself for a while now, and, in moving on, the Seahawks are probably a .500 team with Geno unless some breaks go our way.

Geno isn't a savior, but he isn't useless either.

Geno was garbage when he came here . Now I’m not sure what he is it was so dramatically different than his whole career in the time he played . We all get the sample size . It’s wasn’t larger than it was because look at me Russ had to get out under the cameras again hand or no hand .
Nobody serious would ever suggest Genos an improvement over a healthy Russ in his prime on that he could improve the offense . Last year ? We don’t know but we know Genos last game was brilliant by THE WHOLE TEAM. High spirits , tweeting jokes and compliments to Geno . Then the Russel Wilson hand docudrama “ no more pin time to win “ pulls a pin 3 weeks early and goes 0-3 losing 2 to backups and getting shut out for the first time . Yeah I think Geno might have been a better option but we just don’t know . It was a strategic blunder by Carroll that ended the season . But Russ hasn’t been himself for about a season and a half . As for Geno being a 500 guy like I say who knows . If he’s old Geno we’re lucky if we win 4. If he plays like last year I say 10-7 because I give this roster and coach a bit more credit .

I think the animosity and divisiveness the saga with Wilson had created in that locker room was a bigger drain than anyone realized . It’s going to be a difference maker . 50+ men who have been hearing for at least 3 years they and the coach are why Russ can’t win here are planning a surprise. Book it

[RiverDog]

It’s the freakin NFL river . It’s a field goal league . 31 to 7 is very good . If you want to minimize the amazing game the entire team had to support your argument fine . I think it was a great win and so did Pete . The next game the D even kept it up until it became clear Russell had forced his way back far too soon and the season was lost .
I think looking at who Geno had to play his stats are great and we can win with the guy . Schneider said today that signing Geno won’t stop them from taking a qb if there’s one they want so it might not matter . If they draft a guy who is going to make the roster I would see Geno as released long before Locke unless they were going to deal him as I think Locke may have a bit of trade value .

This is the freaking NFL is right. Jacksonville also lost to the 4-13 Jets and lost twice to the 4-13 Texans. Teams can look like SB champs one weekend against one team then look like dog$h!t the next. It's the same in any sport. To give you an example, in MLB, a career .200 hitter can go 5-5 with two home runs and a double against the Cy Young winner, but does that one game make him an All-Star? Does that one game make up for the 5 games where he went 2-25?

I attended the Jacksonville game last season, and I can tell you that Jags were horrible. Lawrence played very poorly, the team was completely unenthusiastic and uncaring, no excitement or congratulations even when they made a good play. They were simply going through the motions, playing for themselves rather than for the coach or for their teammates. No pursuit downfield. Lots of standing around. They treated it more like a scrimmage or preseason game. Here's my comments from back in October about the contest:

A few comments about the game itself. Jacksonville is horrible. Trevor Lawrence looked like the rookie that he is. Big kid and he could easily end up like Josh Allen in a few years but he was inaccurate and indecisive yesterday. The pick he threw was horrible, under threw his intended receiver by at least 10 yards. The defense obviously had their best game of the season by far, getting good pressure on Lawrence for most of the game. Geno had an excellent day, decent protection most of the time and didn't miss a pass in his first 15 or so attempts, although most of his attempts were of the short to medium range throws. Didn't spread the ball around, Metcalf and Lockett had 18 of the 20 receptions and 19 of 22 targets. Tight ends are nearly non existent in Waldron's offense. Running game was very weak. Penny is worth just about the same amount as his last name suggests.

Like most of your arguments surrounding your Flavor of the Day, you're concentrating on the anomaly to support your predetermined conclusion while ignoring or rationalizing the bigger, more mathematically correct picture, ie cherry picking. The law of averages tends to smooth out those peaks and valleys. Like the Big Tuna once said: You are what your record says you are. Jacksonville was unquestionably the worst team in the league last season. Period. It is not a "big win" when you beat up on a 97 lb weakling. A big win is when you beat a team that is equal or better than you are. As mediocre as we were last season, we were still heads and shoulders better than the Jags.

So please, quit talking about the Jacksonville game! It was not a representative sample of last season and is not reflective of the competition we are likely to face this season.

[NorthHawk]

My premise isn't that this team is great nor are they necessarily better without Wilson. It's that Russ hasn't been himself for a while now, and, in moving on, the Seahawks are probably a .500 team with Geno unless some breaks go our way.

Geno isn't a savior, but he isn't useless either.

I think Russ changed when Pete pulled back the reins in 2019 after he almost single-handedly won the first 5 games when the Defense was almost non existent.
He had a change in demeanor then and some of us talked about it. It was almost like it was the deciding factor in him moving on and once that decision was
made, things changed in his performance. It was still pretty good, but it wasn't the same as prior to that when he seemed excited to play, not just going to work.

Geno? If he makes the team this year he will start a few games, maybe most but he's a backup for a reason.

[RiverDog]

My premise isn't that this team is great nor are they necessarily better without Wilson. It's that Russ hasn't been himself for a while now, and, in moving on, the Seahawks are probably a .500 team with Geno unless some breaks go our way.

Geno isn't a savior, but he isn't useless either.

I think Russ changed when Pete pulled back the reins in 2019 after he almost single-handedly won the first 5 games when the Defense was almost non existent. He had a change in demeanor then and some of us talked about it. It was almost like it was the deciding factor in him moving on and once that decision was made, things changed in his performance. It was still pretty good, but it wasn't the same as prior to that when he seemed excited to play, not just going to work.

Geno? If he makes the team this year he will start a few games, maybe most but he's a backup for a reason.

I think those are both fair assessments, at least as fair as one can be viewing the situation from our vantage point. Things clearly changed when Pete decided to pull back the reigns, but by the same token, Russell got spoiled as in those 5 games that he rang up the impressive stats, we were going up against some horrible defenses. He wasn't going to continue that tear against the better teams in the league, so some realignment of purpose was justified.

I agree with both your takes about Geno. He's not useless, to the contrary, under the circumstances we find ourselves this season, he's very valuable. But he's an average backup, no more, no less. 1-2 as a starter is almost exactly the average winning percentage for backup quarterbacks.

[NorthHawk]

Geno and maybe Lock, too are temporary fill-ins until a true starting QB comes along.
Maybe Lock is that guy, I don't know but we all know Geno isnt' the long term answer.

[RiverDog]

Geno and maybe Lock, too are temporary fill-ins until a true starting QB comes along. Maybe Lock is that guy, I don't know but we all know Geno isnt' the long term answer.

Agreed. And if we should happen to draft a QB next week, Geno might not even be on the team when the bell rings this September.

[Agent 86]

Agreed. And if we should happen to draft a QB next week, Geno might not even be on the team when the bell rings this September.

My gut feeling is if a QB is drafted next week that the 'Hawks will carry 3 QB's on their roster for the first time in a long time with the new one being a clear cut 3rd. I will also say I had no idea who Russell Wilson was in 2012 and laughed at the training camp speak of Pete saying he had a chance to start over Matt Flynn. So there's that.

[RiverDog]

My gut feeling is if a QB is drafted next week that the 'Hawks will carry 3 QB's on their roster for the first time in a long time with the new one being a clear cut 3rd. I will also say I had no idea who Russell Wilson was in 2012 and laughed at the training camp speak of Pete saying he had a chance to start over Matt Flynn. So there's that.

That would be very unusual. Some teams carry 3 QB's if their starter is injured or injury prone and it may have made sense last season with the covid protocols, but most carry just the two. It would be a first for Pete, especially when you consider that he could save quite a bit of money by cutting Geno.

I definitely knew who Russell was back in 2012, even before we drafted him. I was shocked that we spent a 3rd rounder on him. I bought into the stereotype back then, that a sub 6' QB couldn't make it in the NFL. Ironically, Russell didn't clearly beat out Flynn. Russell might have had a slight edge on Flynn, but most of the preseason, Flynn was facing first team defenses while Russell was going up against 2nd and 3rd stringers. As I recall, Flynn didn't play that badly. It wasn't until Flynn got hurt late in the preseason that Russell got the job by default and played just well enough to keep it through the first few games. Then midway through the season, he really started to blossom and nailed down the position for good. The rest is history.

[Hawktawk]

Geno and maybe Lock, too are temporary fill-ins until a true starting QB comes along.
Maybe Lock is that guy, I don't know but we all know Geno isnt' the long term answer.

You don’t know that at all.

Pete Carrol knows nothing apparently . We know it’s how you feel . But a guy with playoff teams with 3 franchises , 2 Super Bowls with a win , second most wins in the decade and about 9 league championships and 2 Nattys at USC , yeah he’s a dunce with garbage players except Russ .he doesn’t understand quarterbacks . Doesn’t know what playing a great game in the NFL is. Without the great Wilson we are doomed . As I’ve said I hope it’s Locke . Cleaner sheet of paper , younger , bigger but still mobile with a huge arm . But Geno can win if he’s like last year . Maybe a lot. If you think they are trading Wilson to tank and be ridiculed your delusional .
You people sound ridiculous .

[NorthHawk]

He’s 32 and hasn’t been able to keep a starting role in his career.
He’s not going to start for 5 years now.

[Hawktawk]

He’s 32 and hasn’t been able to keep a starting role in his career.
He’s not going to start for 5 years now.

I think he’s 31. Regardless he’s younger than Russ with a fraction of the contact . With career averages of 58% completions and damn near 1-1 TD to int rate it’s not surprising he wasn’t starting . I’m surprised he was still in the league . But Garbage Pete and John chose to keep him 3 years . Then he outperformed his career average by a mile . Why? Waldron ? DK ? His qbr targeting him was all pro 151.5 over 13 quarters with 251 yards and 4 TD passes . If you notice DK is in camp . How did he average 68.5 % completion ?

Pittsburgh , the saints and the Rams had great defenses too, and the jags held Buffalo to 6 points with one of the best quarterbacks in the league a week after the hawks smashed them . Yeah he could start a few years . I’ll take Pete at his word if he says he’s ahead of everyone right now . If he plays like last year he could start as long as he wants .
As I’ve said repeatedly I’d like Locke to go off but I don’t understand why so many fans don’t root for cool stories like Penney and Geno .
Playoffs next year .

[Aseahawkfan]

Geno and maybe Lock, too are temporary fill-ins until a true starting QB comes along.
Maybe Lock is that guy, I don't know but we all know Geno isnt' the long term answer.

All we know for sure is Pete is going to sell it like these guys are the answer and everything else is rainbows and unicorns until he's gone or he does rebuild the team.

I can already hear the spin from Pete and Schneider on sports radio that this is 2010 all over again and they're going to draft their way while the world says they're wrong and they prove they're right. They're selling they can get it done like they did when they first got here. We shall see.

[Aseahawkfan]

I think he’s 31. Regardless he’s younger than Russ with a fraction of the contact . With career averages of 58% completions and damn near 1-1 TD to int rate it’s not surprising he wasn’t starting . I’m surprised he was still in the league . But Garbage Pete and John chose to keep him 3 years . Then he outperformed his career average by a mile . Why? Waldron ? DK His did he average 68.5 % completion ?Pittsburgh , the saints and the Rams had great defenses too, and the jags held Buffalo to 6 points with one of the best quarterbacks in the league a week after the hawks smashed them . Yeah he could start a few years . I’ll take Pete at his word if he says he’s ahead of everyone right now . If he plays like last year he could start as long as he wants .

1 win and 3 losses under center for other than garbage time.

Keep ignoring the W-L record as long as you can selling these other stats which don't mean jack squat if you don't get the W.

If Russ went 1 and 3 you'd be bagging on him hard, you and the other "Russ has lost it" crowd.

[Hawktawk]

Russ is 6-9 his last 15 games counting 2020 wc 11-29 not injured but apparently hit too much for 35 million . A ten year vet . If Geno winds up in the postseason or whatever he’s getting 7 million . Frankly I’ll be pretty surprised if he starts if Locke looks good . That’s not the point . Point is he could start playing like last year .

And Holmes it’s 1-2 not 1-3. Russ started against the rams and put up 7 in 3 quarters before Geno scored 10 in the 4th . Hard to pin that on him . Russ overthrew Lockett by 3 yards for a TD wide open on the play he got hurt on .
Point is you want results ? Geno is a 500 qb? I don’t think the numbers show it yet ? But franchise QB and owner of one of the biggest contracts in history when signed should elevate normal players and be the difference maker . As you say Russ did for many years but not the last season and a half . Look at the record right ? Worse then 500.

[RiverDog]

Geno and maybe Lock, too are temporary fill-ins until a true starting QB comes along.
Maybe Lock is that guy, I don't know but we all know Geno isnt' the long term answer.

You don’t know that at all.

Pete Carrol knows nothing apparently . We know it’s how you feel . But a guy with playoff teams with 3 franchises , 2 Super Bowls with a win , second most wins in the decade and about 9 league championships and 2 Nattys at USC , yeah he’s a dunce with garbage players except Russ .he doesn’t understand quarterbacks . Doesn’t know what playing a great game in the NFL is. Without the great Wilson we are doomed . As I’ve said I hope it’s Locke . Cleaner sheet of paper , younger , bigger but still mobile with a huge arm . But Geno can win if he’s like last year . Maybe a lot. If you think they are trading Wilson to tank and be ridiculed your delusional .

You people sound ridiculous .

Pot calling the kettle black.

Before the Russell trade, you wanted Pete Carroll gone. Now suddenly, he's a genius. From a post of yours from back in December of this year:

I say clean house . Carroll has lost credibility badly with his favoritism of Russ. They are both done here . Or need to be . We have 1 playoff win in 5 years . ARod gets grief for losing the nfc title game every year .
Wake up 12s


What changed? Who sounds ridiculous?

[Aseahawkfan]

Russ is 6-9 his last 15 games counting 2020 wc 11-29 not injured but apparently hit too much for 35 million . A ten year vet . If Geno winds up in the postseason or whatever he’s getting 7 million . Frankly I’ll be pretty surprised if he starts if Locke looks good . That’s not the point . Point is he could start playing like last year .

And Holmes it’s 1-2 not 1-3. Russ started against the rams and put up 7 in 3 quarters before Geno scored 10 in the 4th . Hard to pin that on him . Russ overthrew Lockett by 3 yards for a TD wide open on the play he got hurt on .
Point is you want results ? Geno is a 500 qb? I don’t think the numbers show it yet ? But franchise QB and owner of one of the biggest contracts in history when signed should elevate normal players and be the difference maker . As you say Russ did for many years but not the last season and a half . Look at the record right ? Worse then 500.

1 and 2 then. And couldn't pull out a win against the Rams.

And you make my point for me. You're bagging on Russ for 6-9, but building up Geno after 1 and 2.

Russ earned every bit of the 35 million he was making keeping this team in the playoffs like elite QBs do. We wouldn't even have seen the playoffs with Geno under center, just like we didn't see the playoffs with Tarvaris Jackson while Pete was selling him as some option for starting QB. And Tarvaris had a much better defense and run game to help him than Geno is likely to have unless Penny continues to bloom, which I'm not real high on either.

You keep selling your narrative hard. You get to do it until the season starts. Then if your narrative doesn't play out, then we'll revisit this. And I'm not talking over a few games, but an entire season. Russ kept us winning for a decade including two Super Bowl trips when he was getting paid next to nothing and making receivers like Chris Matthews look like Super Bowl MVPs.

But keep on selling your narrative. We have a lot of months to wait until we see how this happens. I think it's going to be a clown show myself, but you're expecting the playoffs. We'll see who is right.

[NorthHawk]

But Geno can win if he’s like last year . Maybe a lot. If you think they are trading Wilson to tank and be ridiculed your delusional .
You people sound ridiculous

Nobody thinks they traded Wilson to tank. Don’t make stuff up.
If you think they are set on Geno starting, here’s a quote from a recent interview:


Coach Pete Carroll previously said that, if/when Geno Smith re-signs, they’d still be in the “quarterback business.” During Thursday’s pre-draft press conference, G.M. John Schneider was asked whether their thoughts at the quarterback position have changed since Smith returned.

Carroll provided a concise response: “No.

So they are still going to pursue a QB in some form or another. It doesn’t sound like Geno is a long term plan.

[Hawktawk]

But Geno can win if he’s like last year . Maybe a lot. If you think they are trading Wilson to tank and be ridiculed your delusional .
You people sound ridiculous

Nobody thinks they traded Wilson to tank. Don’t make stuff up.
If you think they are set on Geno starting, here’s a quote from a recent interview:


Coach Pete Carroll previously said that, if/when Geno Smith re-signs, they’d still be in the “quarterback business.” During Thursday’s pre-draft press conference, G.M. John Schneider was asked whether their thoughts at the quarterback position have changed since Smith returned.

Carroll provided a concise response: “No.

So they are still going to pursue a QB in some form or another. It doesn’t sound like Geno is a long term plan.

All Carroll said of Geno was “ he’s ahead of everyone right now “ for obvious reasons . He might or might not start . He may not be on the roster . I don’t care . My point was he played well enough to start which is why he is ahead . And what do you mean nobody’s saying we’re tanking . You all are . Listen to yourself . Pete sucks Russ is gone we have no talent blah blah blah . We are doomed till everyone’s fired and then of course hire another hall of fame coach and GM cause they are all over the place . I’m gonna have Pete and Johns back on this one. Talk to me in a year .

[Hawktawk]

My point is right now Geno is part of the plan which I suggested he might be after his brief stint . I got laughed out of the forum .
obviously he’s not playing til 40 . His numbers were starter numbers , Carroll’s said so and in the same interview he talked about still looking at QBs that Geno is ahead of everyone . I’ve said it repeatedly I don’t really give a rip who starts . I want the best person but if it’s Geno he can win . If he plays like he did last season and gets beat out by Locke or Eason or some rookie it’s all the better . You doom and gloomers . Good grief . GO HAWKS!!!!

[Hawktawk]

Pot calling the kettle black.

Before the Russell trade, you wanted Pete Carroll gone. Now suddenly, he's a genius. From a post of yours from back in December of this year:

I say clean house . Carroll has lost credibility badly with his favoritism of Russ. They are both done here . Or need to be . We have 1 playoff win in 5 years . ARod gets grief for losing the nfc title game every year .
Wake up 12s


What changed? Who sounds ridiculous?

The dude digging up a 5 month old quote written probably right after the bears or rams brutal games by Russ ragging on PC for coddling him. That’s who looks ridiculous .
But if you have all this time in your hands to dig up stuff then fast forward to the last couple games as my optimism grew . Penney ran wild . Defense balled . Russ looked like Russ .

My posts about being cool with walking back , accepting everyone including Russ back another year . That’s when you and I were mixing it up about how Penney going for 360 last 2 didn’t matter because they were a bad team and then a team with nothing to play for . An 11 win team yeah run over and around an all pro safety yeah no biggie buck ninety Same utter nonsense you spew about Jacksonville . The same guy you ding for only targeting 2 guys sucked against Pittsburgh despite completing passes to TEN RECEIVERS!!!!!and compiling a 102 passer rating and a 2 minute drive getting plastered all night in his first start in 5 years on the road .
So if you’re gonna dig back 5 months to play gotcha sift through all of it or you look ridiculous . Some of us are free enough thinkers we can adjust to facts and changing circumstances and adjust our view . Not sit around and argue non stop . Heard enough of the piling on .Pete is all we got left. Let’s nail this draft and shut the doubters mouth till the crow arrives

[RiverDog]

Pot calling the kettle black.

Before the Russell trade, you wanted Pete Carroll gone. Now suddenly, he's a genius. From a post of yours from back in December of this year:

I say clean house . Carroll has lost credibility badly with his favoritism of Russ. They are both done here . Or need to be . We have 1 playoff win in 5 years . ARod gets grief for losing the nfc title game every year .
Wake up 12s


What changed? Who sounds ridiculous?

The dude digging up a 5 month old quote written probably right after the bears or rams brutal games by Russ ragging on PC for coddling him. That’s who looks ridiculous .
But if you have all this time in your hands to dig up stuff then fast forward to the last couple games as my optimism grew . Penney ran wild . Defense balled . Russ looked like Russ .

My posts about being cool with walking back , accepting everyone including Russ back another year . That’s when you and I were mixing it up about how Penney going for 360 last 2 didn’t matter because they were a bad team and then a team with nothing to play for . An 11 win team yeah run over and around an all pro safety yeah no biggie buck ninety Same utter nonsense you spew about Jacksonville . The same guy you ding for only targeting 2 guys sucked against Pittsburgh despite completing passes to TEN RECEIVERS!!!!!and compiling a 102 passer rating and a 2 minute drive getting plastered all night in his first start in 5 years on the road .
So if you’re gonna dig back 5 months to play gotcha sift through all of it or you look ridiculous . Some of us are free enough thinkers we can adjust to facts and changing circumstances and adjust our view . Not sit around and argue non stop . Heard enough of the piling on .Pete is all we got left. Let’s nail this draft and shut the doubters mouth till the crow arrives

You still didn't answer my question: Why have you suddenly changed your tune about Pete Carroll? Why is it that you were all for cleaning house and getting rid of Pete but now you defend him like a junkyard dog? It's not like it was a gradual progression. It's been very recent and quite a dramatic 180 degree flip, no luke warm period, no failure to meet a criteria like going deep into the playoffs, which is when I jumped off the bandwagon.

I'm not trying to start an argument, just trying to see where you are coming from, what it is that Pete has done to warrant such an adoring and complimentary stance from you. Perhaps I can learn something.

[NorthHawk]

All Carroll said of Geno was “ he’s ahead of everyone right now “ for obvious reasons . He might or might not start . He may not be on the roster . I don’t care . My point was he played well enough to start which is why he is ahead . And what do you mean nobody’s saying we’re tanking . You all are . Listen to yourself . Pete sucks Russ is gone we have no talent blah blah blah . We are doomed till everyone’s fired and then of course hire another hall of fame coach and GM cause they are all over the place . I’m gonna have Pete and Johns back on this one. Talk to me in a year .

Nobody is saying we want the team to tank.
We simply think this team isn't very good and that PC/JS should be replaced because they presided over the slow decline in talent over the course of 7 years or thereabouts. Over that time
they've tried to plug holes instead of constantly rebuilding or resetting a solid foundation from which to get back to that level. It's been a litany of bad drafts and bad trades.

[Hawktawk]

River this is for you.

It really started when Penney came on , I saw some of the good things the young defenders were doing , watched Phil
Haynes road grading people . I said at the time the team scoring 50 and kneeling on the ball plus losing an onside scored 50 then 38 beating AZ despite Wilson giving up both a strip 6 and a basic pick 6 to the 1 yard line in the first half. Once it was clear he was back I’m gonna support him . Russ had half his stats the last 6 weeks no coincidence with the run game . It’s your research project to look back at everything I’ve written and decide when my abrupt 180 arrived . When the Wilson trade happened I had to take a hard look at the facts . I’ve concluded the fault is 90% Russ being petulant , uncoachable and almost a pathological celebrity seeker who no longer felt his best personal opportunity to enhance his celebrity was here. That’s hardened my position . You gotta pick a side . At least I did . I attended beast quake . Pete did that , motivated a bad team and broken quarterback to do that . I get tired of hearing it’s all Russ . I remember in our championship year we were in St Lois and Russ and our offense put up like 120 yards and 10 points, 6 first downs . The TD was the tate wave bye bye . In the end the Rams drove the field to our red zone as Carroll left timeouts on the board . He knew better then to put the offense out there . The ball fell incomplete on 4th down as Browner avoided a flag somehow despite being pretty grabby. It’s why we had HFA 2 years in a row , the play of our defense and special teams . We were lucky to have Russ and he was lucky to get a chance right away and an offense geared to hus strengths . Bottom line he was very unthankful in the end , really didn’t level with the 12s including lots on the forum . And I’ve said since his presser after the Atlanta playoff loss with much of the LOB still intact and a dreadful personal performance he starts talking about some off season stadium project after basically sayung we will get them next time , zero personal accountability . I’m on the record if you want to dig it up . River it’s been a long transition , years . But having time to rewatch the games gave me perspective . I am not for writing a blank check even though upon further evaluation I think we have better players then some think . We potentially have the most explosive offensive weapons in the league and we need someone who can stand in and get them the ball . They say they are not rebuilding and it doesn’t look like it to me . If we suck it’s at least time for Pete to go . Let’s see the draft . They may have only had a few home runs but some were out of the park . I like our chances this season .

[RiverDog]

River this is for you.

It really started when Penney came on , I saw some of the good things the young defenders were doing , watched Phil
Haynes road grading people . I said at the time the team scoring 50 and kneeling on the ball plus losing an onside scored 50 then 38 beating AZ despite Wilson giving up both a strip 6 and a basic pick 6 to the 1 yard line in the first half. Once it was clear he was back I’m gonna support him . Russ had half his stats the last 6 weeks no coincidence with the run game . It’s your research project to look back at everything I’ve written and decide when my abrupt 180 arrived . When the Wilson trade happened I had to take a hard look at the facts . I’ve concluded the fault is 90% Russ being petulant , uncoachable and almost a pathological celebrity seeker who no longer felt his best personal opportunity to enhance his celebrity was here. That’s hardened my position . You gotta pick a side . At least I did . I attended beast quake . Pete did that , motivated a bad team and broken quarterback to do that . I get tired of hearing it’s all Russ . I remember in our championship year we were in St Lois and Russ and our offense put up like 120 yards and 10 points, 6 first downs . The TD was the tate wave bye bye . In the end the Rams drove the field to our red zone as Carroll left timeouts on the board . He knew better then to put the offense out there . The ball fell incomplete on 4th down as Browner avoided a flag somehow despite being pretty grabby. It’s why we had HFA 2 years in a row , the play of our defense and special teams . We were lucky to have Russ and he was lucky to get a chance right away and an offense geared to hus strengths . Bottom line he was very unthankful in the end , really didn’t level with the 12s including lots on the forum . And I’ve said since his presser after the Atlanta playoff loss with much of the LOB still intact and a dreadful personal performance he starts talking about some off season stadium project after basically sayung we will get them next time , zero personal accountability . I’m on the record if you want to dig it up . River it’s been a long transition , years . But having time to rewatch the games gave me perspective . I am not for writing a blank check even though upon further evaluation I think we have better players then some think . We potentially have the most explosive offensive weapons in the league and we need someone who can stand in and get them the ball . They say they are not rebuilding and it doesn’t look like it to me . If we suck it’s at least time for Pete to go . Let’s see the draft . They may have only had a few home runs but some were out of the park . I like our chances this season .

Thanks for the explanation and I can understand your going from wanting him gone to granting him another year.

But you've been defending Pete with such veracity, rattling off his resume and telling respectable posters like North Hawk that they are delusional and look ridiculous because they don't agree with your take, that your turnaround seems too dramatic for the results of 4 or 5 meaningless regular season games against some of the worst teams in the league at the end of our worst season in 10 years to have caused such a huge flip.

[Hawktawk]

By my own words I sounded ridiculous in the post you shared . Like lots of fans in the heat of the moment watching a quarterback who can’t throw because of injury starting and losing and the coach saying he doesn’t understand . It was his screw up. Deferring to Russ and respecting his word till the very end . I had no such blinders . And quit with the bad team stuff . We were the first team to shut out the jags in the first half . We scored 31 on them and the bills 6 a week later . You score 50 on any team while losing 2 possessions , 1 on an onsides and 1 when Eskridge hook slid on the 1 and let the clock expire rather then make it 58 points or whatever it’s very impressive .it’s impressive to hand an 11win team 14 quick points then outscored them 38-16 the rest of the day as Penney set another NFL record. Maybe saying people are ridiculous is over the top but I’ve heard plenty of it and I’ve been right in the end plenty of times . If I am this time we will both be happier than if all the negative minded are right .

[RiverDog]

And quit with the bad team stuff . We were the first team to shut out the jags in the first half . We scored 31 on them and the bills 6 a week later . You score 50 on any team while losing 2 possessions , 1 on an onsides and 1 when Eskridge hook slid on the 1 and let the clock expire rather then make it 58 points or whatever it’s very impressive .it’s impressive to hand an 11win team 14 quick points then outscored them 38-16 the rest of the day as Penney set another NFL record. Maybe saying people are ridiculous is over the top but I’ve heard plenty of it and I’ve been right in the end plenty of times . If I am this time we will both be happier than if all the negative minded are right .

First team to shut out the Jags in the first half?! They were 3-14, the worst team in the league! How many times and by how many posters do you need to be reminded of that fact?

You can spin it however you like, but 7-10, a 41% winning percentage, is a cold, hard, fact that was the worst performance for a Seahawk team since 2009 when Jim Mora led us to a 5-11 record. That's the worst team in 12 frigging years. "Bad" is as G rated of a metaphor I can think of to describe our team from last season.

Here's some more very inconvenient facts for you to spin. Besides the Jim Mora season in 2009, there have been just 3 other Seahawk teams in the past 40 years with a worse W/L record than the 2021 squad: 1992, 2000, and 2008.

[Hawktawk]

I’m talking about what I saw as the year ended , also what I saw watching every game twice and some 3 times . There’s more talent than the record . I’ve had enough insults about being drunk on haterade for Russ so all I’m gonna say is I have some thoughts after watching film , comparing QBR with results . I think if whoever is under center is competent and runs the damn plays we’re going to have a better offense than last year . And if you can’t celebrate the great win over the jags it’s your problem . Pete loved it . I’m with Pete .

[RiverDog]

I’m talking about what I saw as the year ended , also what I saw watching every game twice and some 3 times . There’s more talent than the record . I’ve had enough insults about being drunk on haterade for Russ so all I’m gonna say is I have some thoughts after watching film , comparing QBR with results . I think if whoever is under center is competent and runs the damn plays we’re going to have a better offense than last year . And if you can’t celebrate the great win over the jags it’s your problem . Pete loved it . I’m with Pete .

I'm not accusing you of being drunk on haterade. I was simply curious why you had done such an about face in your appraisal of Pete Carroll. Although I appreciate your trying to explain yourself, it still doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

But enough is enough. This forum isn't for discussing the motivations of individual posters, so I'll leave you and Pete to bask in the glory of that rousing win over Jacksonville.

[Aseahawkfan]

I’m talking about what I saw as the year ended , also what I saw watching every game twice and some 3 times . There’s more talent than the record . I’ve had enough insults about being drunk on haterade for Russ so all I’m gonna say is I have some thoughts after watching film , comparing QBR with results . I think if whoever is under center is competent and runs the damn plays we’re going to have a better offense than last year . And if you can’t celebrate the great win over the jags it’s your problem . Pete loved it . I’m with Pete .

I think he's drunk on haterade. I think he is using his anger towards Russ to try to rewrite everything Russ did for this team and try to build up his replacement. I think he's making every excuse in the book to blame it on Russ. He gets to do that. He gets to be drunk on haterade right now.

Sobriety will come next year when it all sinks in that Russ is gone and the only thing sustaining this team the past five years was Russ. It's gonna be a huge wake up call next year for all the people that think Russ was the problem. The ones that have forgotten what it was like to be a Seattle fan before Russell Wilson took the helm at QB. All the years of mediocrity, all the up and down years with crap records. All the years missing the playoffs.

Elite QBs get paid to make a team a consistent winner. They can't guarantee deep playoff runs or Super Bowls. But elite QBs like Russ make you a consistent playoff team which we were not prior to Russ after the team Mike H built fell apart. It will be the same with Pete prior to drafting Russell Wilson, the years all the fans drinking that Russ haterade have forgotten.

[Hawktawk]

I took crap for choosing russ over Flynn. Defended him on the forum in his early games when lots of people were saying he’s a run around fart in the wind . I’ve lauded his great plays for years. But as a realistic fan not a total fanboy jock rider I’ve seen the decline in his attitude , his single focus on wining , his Facebook shares “ no time to sleep “ as he spread his interests. I saw his production dip dramatically last half of 2020. I thought his comments about getting hit too much were incredible, never heard a franchise QB say such a thing . It exposed a lack of courage and a disrespect for Duane Brown and that line . And I said get rid of him he’s done here when I heard it a few months after I was rooting for him to win the MVP.

Maybe River can go look up my comments at the time to verify it . Tell me where I was wrong ? 6-8 losing to 3 backups and a few stiffs , shut out , the hand thing , popping back when Pete would criticize his dumb ass rookie mistakes that cost us ballgames . “ checked out” that’s a guy going through the motions , protecting his body , refusing to run wearing the rag of my lifelong team collecting 35 million of Jody’s money Asea if you don’t know what checked out means . Yeah that pissed me off .

There’s something to hate about this ending . I’ve said it till I’m blue in the face . Russ was great . Russ is HOF . Russ played one of the best superbowls ever to not be named MVP in 48. But I blamed him the most for 49 too because he threw the ball . I’ve praised his regular season magic for most of a decade . But I’ve been critical of he and the team for being popcorn farts in the postseason , the offense that wins 10-12 games suddenly can’t score .

We’re 3-6 last 9 playoff games . Atlanta was played with the LOB mostly intact . We should have lost in minny . Our last playoff win was 3 years ago vs Philly with Josh NcCown playing . We’ve won nothing in 7 seasons .

As I’ve said Arod gets bashed for losing conference championships . You can’t say 35 million guy needs help to win . He’s supposed to be the difference . I’m a fan of the Jersey . I’ll remember the greatness of Wilson in due time but he was not great in the end and he wanted to go and knowing what I now know I think it was a good thing .

I’m I’m like a ref. I call it like I see it . It’s ok to say he was great and say he was a petulant Jackass and team wrecker in the end
Let’s talk in a few months . I’m excited for next season

[NorthHawk]

I’m I’m like a ref. I call it like I see it .

I get the impression you call it like you want to see it.
But I might be wrong.

[Hawktawk]

I’m I’m like a ref. I call it like I see it .

I get the impression you call it like you want to see it.
But I might be wrong.

My argument is based on stats = facts . Go at my facts . Whether it’s Genos 68.5 % completion % or Wilson’s 6-8 losing to 3 backups worst third down completion% in the league . Or any other stats I quote from this year . Those are stats. It’s not 2014 anymore ,.nobody wants to talk stats and facts . Just scream in defense of a guy who trashed the FO and left .