Aseahawkfan wrote:Right now we're not a playoff team and we got worse losing our star QB. We have a lot of injury questions like Quandre Diggs and Jamal Adams. Penny is on a prove it contract, so we'll see if he can.
I expect to miss the playoffs for the next few years. As long as I see progress, I'll be happy. If I see regression, I'll wait for the final head to roll.
NorthHawk wrote:Sure, they have the talent to win some games, but they don't have the talent to win a championship or division.
MAYBE they will squeak into the playoffs, but we have quickly become close to irrelevant to the contending teams of the NFL.
Hawktawk wrote:But it’s not a rebuild . It was team cancer surgical removal .
Hawktawk wrote:I think they have plenty of talent to win it all . Doesn’t mean they will . But I expect this to be a good physical team on both sides of the ball with good to great or potentially great players at every position . It’s going to be a good competetive team.DK at voluntary workouts unlike anyone else in his position is another sign . This team is committed . So many of our guys came back . Why not flee the sunken ship?
Players that have heard for 3 years that they aren’t good enough for Russ have a serious chubby to prove some people wrong . So do Pete and John being told they can’t build a roster anymore .
Someone’s eating crow . Can’t all be right . But it’s not a rebuild . It was team cancer surgical removal .
Aseahawkfan wrote:No top pass rushes. Bad D-line. Not a great O-line. Running back inconsistency. Young LBs which is probably their best position group. Two safeties with injury issues and one recovering from a severe injury. Not a single high quality CB to speak of on the team.
RiverDog wrote:But it’s not a rebuild . It was team cancer surgical removal .
tarlhawk wrote:OK you have some solid legit counters to my optimism...but I'll offer this in response :
"No top pass rushes" ...Top usually infers an established or "top ten drafted rookie". Those are high priced thrills...outside of drafting very early (or getting LUCKY) or paying for a "pricey" free agent...you have to cultivate your own. Darryl Taylor has great upside and Nwosu just got here...no reason either can't make big impacts in 2022/2023 and beyond...becoming a "top" pass rusher.
"Bad D-line" ...more a reflection on recent past...not an "ankle shackle" going forward. With good man press coverage from your secondary you'd be surprised how your D-line can come alive...if your secondary is allowing "open QB targets" within 3 sec of their routes it's no wonder your D-line can't "get home" to the QB. Defense is a TEAM concept...press coverage makes a QB hesitate affording time for D-line to make an impact and vice versa...an effective pass rush limits the time your secondary needs to "mirror" the opponents play makers. Our new defensive coaches are a reason for restoring our defensive bragging rights.
"Not a great O-line" ...another coaching inspired shift to more zone blocking and less power blocking does wonders in a wide spread offense scheme. We have definite concerns to shore up...especially with our "bookends" LT/RT...but this picture will become clearer post-draft.
"Running back inconsistency" ...Rashaad Penny is an example of rare skills suddenly allowed to bloom in an atmosphere of strong confidence and finally good health. Penny was solidly "consistent" ...exiting our ill-fated 2021 season.
"Two safeties with injury issues" ...valid concerns but the one who suffered seriously "Diggs"...has offered to show the coach back flips to prove his recovery is on track. Injuries are always "wait and see"
"not a single high quality CB" ...Tre Brown has demonstrated upside and Sidney Jones was rated the 3rd best corner in his draft class scouted by many to be 1rst rd talent until his Pro Day injury "ruptured achilles" wiped out his "top shelf" expectations and rookie season. He has legit top skills that are talent blessed and very promising in press coverage.
I doubt your remarks were flippant so I offered some positive views in the expression of my own opinions.
Aseahawkfan wrote:The reality of that is going to sink in next year no matter how many people try to spin it otherwise. I don't care if someone wants to be an optimist in the offseason. I only know what I believe is going to happen during the regular season because Russell Wilson was the only reason this team made the playoffs for quite a few years now. With him gone, barring some other QB surprising us, we'll be lucky to win 6 games a year.
tarlhawk wrote:We are talking about a sport...about entertainment...right? The state of our team observed by any fan is not some life changing event...there's no need to convince anyone on the merits of what is pure opinion. As a fan I enjoyed the thrill of watching Russell Wilson inspire/lead our team in snatching victory out of the jaws of defeat...I'll miss that for sure.
I am not sold on the idea that an individuals importance rises above a team effort to where the QB uses passive aggression to bail out on a contract he sheepishly agreed to. But I am an outsider...a viewer with only opinions not judgement on a person whose very livelihood is impacted by the decisions he makes. I trust Russell Wilson and our team did whats best for those directly involved and offer no blame on something I have no insider knowledge of.
Idle banter is like idle gossip...its likely to fall on the side of harm vice any real felt goodness. My opinion is that Pete Carroll is a very good coach and I use the present tense as well as future hopes until he disappoints me in that ability. If others see my bar set too low...it is merely opinion and my own enjoyment. If others are truly upset by the state of the team...then guess what ?
You are blessed to live in a country where many entertainment options abound to reward one's time and efforts.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Barring that, I expect a losing season. I'll tough out the losing season like I did every year Seattle had down times in the past. Same as I always do.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I'm not some short-memory optimist blowing rainbows and unicorns because I don't like to see reality. I see this team's current state and will patiently wait for the rebuild as I've done many times in the past whether it happens under Carroll or another coach.
RiverDog wrote:I don't know what to expect. I want to see what Drew Luck looks like in preseason and the first few regular season games, see what our OL ends up shaping up as, if Carson is going to make it all the way back, if we're able to finally utilize Adams, and so on. There's just too many variables to be predicting great things or face plants.
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