Hawks to Resign Geno

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

That would be Giacomini. Called the Big Russian in Green Bay.

[mykc14]

Yup, between him and Kam. That big right tackle of ours that used to draw a lot of PF's was a mean dude, too. Can't remember his name, Italian sounding or something.

Breno Giacomini (I don't think I spelled his last name correctly)... the Big Russian!!!

[mykc14]

That would be Giacomini. Called the Big Russian in Green Bay.

Dang... you beat me to it!

[RiverDog]

That would be Giacomini. Called the Big Russian in Green Bay.

Yeah, that's the guy! I used to get upset when he'd get tagged for a meaningless personal foul penalty, but for the intensity he brought, it was worth it. We should have never let him go.

[NorthHawk]

That was when we had an identity.
We lost a lot of it when Lynch left and I have no idea what it is now or what they want it to be.

[RiverDog]

That was when we had an identity.
We lost a lot of it when Lynch left and I have no idea what it is now or what they want it to be.

Agreed. Trading for Jimmy Graham, a soft player that was the exact opposite of the type of team we used to be, was another sign of that change of identity.

[tarlhawk]

Agreed. Trading for Jimmy Graham, a soft player that was the exact opposite of the type of team we used to be, was another sign of that change of identity.

I mentioned this before based on a John Schneider response to why Jimmy Grahm was pursued...JS didn't go looking for Jimmy Grahm but was inquiring about an unknown/undisclosed reason when the Saints GM revealed he had soured on Jimmy G. during negotiations the year before and was making Jimmy Grahm available if the price was right. Perhaps JS pictured him as the tall red zone target RW was lacking since the departure of Sidney Rice...the trade became an achilles heel to any eventual SB return and cost us our last great center Max Unger and a 1rst rd pick to boot. When Germain Ifedi "needed" the help of an inline blocking TE...Jimmy Grahm was no help at all.

[RiverDog]

Agreed. Trading for Jimmy Graham, a soft player that was the exact opposite of the type of team we used to be, was another sign of that change of identity.

I mentioned this before based on a John Schneider response to why Jimmy Grahm was pursued...JS didn't go looking for Jimmy Grahm but was inquiring about an unknown/undisclosed reason when the Saints GM revealed he had soured on Jimmy G. during negotiations the year before and was making Jimmy Grahm available if the price was right. Perhaps JS pictured him as the tall red zone target RW was lacking since the departure of Sidney Rice...the trade became an achilles heel to any eventual SB return and cost us our last great center Max Unger and a 1rst rd pick to boot. When Germain Ifedi "needed" the help of an inline blocking TE...Jimmy Grahm was no help at all.

Although I don't think that the genesis of the trade makes a big difference, I agree with your statement. Had we used Graham as more of a wide receiver and less of an inline tight end, it wouldn't have been so bad. But Pete kept insisting on trying to fit a round peg into a square hole by asking him to block.

And you bring up a good point about Unger. He was still a very good player with a lot of tread left on the tires when we traded him. It wouldn't have been so bad had we an heir apparent on the roster to step in, but we had no plan for his replacement. Bad deal all around.

[NorthHawk]

That statement that JS wasn't looking for a trade of Unger makes John look like an easy target.
Pete had to approve that trade and he knew full well he didn't have a suitable replacement for Unger who went on to be on a couple of Pro Bowls.
Pete also knew that Graham wasn't a traditional TE who wanted to be treated like a WR, so that was mistake #2, and finally they never used
Graham like a proper Red Zone target like he should have - mistake #3.
It was a crap show of a deal only surpassed in it's stupidity by the Adams trade.

[Hawktawk]

Was the commitment to T Jack made before the draft ? And I agree he had done nothing to deserve a shot. I recall him making some of the dumbest plays ever like taking a sack on 4 th down when he had plenty of time to throw it up . Jesus he was stupid . Similar athletic skills to Geno and even Russ a bit but no football intelligence whatsoever . Whitehurst started 2, the loss to Cleveland in which beast mode was injured and didn’t play . He started the following week vs Cincy and their new QB Andy Dalton and his rookie compadre AJ Green . We actually led 6-3 midway through the first half but PC yanked Whitehurst and put Tjack in . I attended the game with my best friend . It featured a long bomb to AJ burning Sherman and Cincy building a big lead . T Jack came storming back almost all the way and then a pick 6 house call . And that was Tjack and the 2011 hawks in a nutshell .

I'll trust your memory over mine regarding the number of Clipboard Jesus starts. I remembered the low scoring Cleveland game for sure. And I remember how TJack was so hesitant to throw, very indecisive or overly cautious about interceptions. Nevertheless, the guy played with his balls out, sort of like Dave Krieg without the production.

I honestly don't know if Pete made the commitment that TJack be allowed to compete for the starting job before or after the draft, but it doesn't really matter. Wilson was projected to go in the 5th or 6th round tops as I remember complaining about over spending for him. Since it wasn't a case of a QB unexpectedly falling to us, Pete had to have known well in advance of the draft that we were going to go after Russell, so either way, he was very disingenuous with TJack. But apparently all was forgiven as he eventually returned and served as Russell's backup for a couple of years.

I was at what was actually Whitehursts 3rd and final start as a Seahawk vs Cincy . The first as you recall was a gritty performance getting past the Rams in the season Finale in 2010 to win the division with Hass injured . I remember so many fans on this forum and elsewhere were angry , wanted a better schedule and higher draft picks.
And beast quake which was one of the more amazing playoff games would never have happened . Everything happened for a reason . It’s why I never root to lose for a damn draft pick or soft schedule . I cherish every win , every great play .

As for TJack I shed no tears . Obviously he wasn’t beating out Wilson and I’m not sure Carroll planned on starting him right away when training camp started . As I recall and it was a year I was super busy and not locked in on TC. But it’s like there was a buzz that grew about Wilson’s play in practice , huge accurate arm far stronger than Flynn and more accurate than TJack.

I saw a few plays vs Kc in the preseason game 3 and I wanted Wilson who I had never seen play football starting . I don’t think the situation with Geno is the same . As I’ve said I don’t care . My preferred starter is Locke winning a fair competition . If Geno outperforms him and rides the pine or gets cut then it’s a popularity contest . Then I will revisit it .

But I think PC is serious based on the film I saw . Jackson never made the throws Geno did. Geno abused teams with our star receivers particularly DK. Pete has been praising Geno since his brief period starting . I can see why when he trusts his franchise guy when he says he is ready and went from 80% completions with 31 points to shut out.I don’t know how many times I heard him say “ Geno was ready to go , he played great “ while explaining another dismal offensive performance . But he’s never stopped talking about Geno .

Dave Wyman thought he looked like a starter . Chris Collinswirth said during the broadcast he thought Geno could get a chance as a “Late bloomer “ He described Genos pocket awareness on his one completion calling his moves “Russell esque “. It looked more like Rodgers esque the way he played keep away sliding up and back till Hart cleared , never took his eyes off the field or spun out . It’s one play so no not saying he’s Wilson or Rodgers , just that he played pretty good . I think he will be on the roster when the season starts . Unless we draft another Wilson .

[mykc14]

But I think PC is serious based on the film I saw . Jackson never made the throws Geno did. Geno abused teams with our star receivers particularly DK. Pete has been praising Geno since his brief period starting . I can see why when he trusts his franchise guy when he says he is ready and went from 80% completions with 31 points to shut out.I don’t know how many times I heard him say “ Geno was ready to go , he played great “ while explaining another dismal offensive performance . But he’s never stopped talking about Geno .

Dave Wyman thought he looked like a starter . Chris Collinswirth said during the broadcast he thought Geno could get a chance as a “Late bloomer “ He described Genos pocket awareness on his one completion calling his moves “Russell esque “. It looked more like Rodgers esque the way he played keep away sliding up and back till Hart cleared , never took his eyes off the field or spun out . It’s one play so no not saying he’s Wilson or Rodgers , just that he played pretty good . I think he will be on the roster when the season starts . Unless we draft another Wilson .

I am sure that none of us would be upset if Geno turned into a "late-bloomer," but the odds are very much against this. The two issues I have with resigning Geno is the fact that we are giving him $4 million. Obviously in the scheme of things it's not much, but I am of the mindset that everything this team invests in should be with the mindset to compete for a SB for 2-3 years down the road and I don't think Geno does that. In fact, I think he takes us away from that. The second issue I have is with the timing. Why not wait until after the draft? Obviously this could be because another team was going to sign him (possible but not likely). Who knows what will happen- A QB you like could fall to you and then you are in a situation where you either have to cut Lock or eat the $4 million you spent on Smith.

[RiverDog]

But I think PC is serious based on the film I saw . Jackson never made the throws Geno did. Geno abused teams with our star receivers particularly DK. Pete has been praising Geno since his brief period starting . I can see why when he trusts his franchise guy when he says he is ready and went from 80% completions with 31 points to shut out.I don’t know how many times I heard him say “ Geno was ready to go , he played great “ while explaining another dismal offensive performance . But he’s never stopped talking about Geno .

Dave Wyman thought he looked like a starter . Chris Collinswirth said during the broadcast he thought Geno could get a chance as a “Late bloomer “ He described Genos pocket awareness on his one completion calling his moves “Russell esque “. It looked more like Rodgers esque the way he played keep away sliding up and back till Hart cleared , never took his eyes off the field or spun out . It’s one play so no not saying he’s Wilson or Rodgers , just that he played pretty good . I think he will be on the roster when the season starts . Unless we draft another Wilson .

I am sure that none of us would be upset if Geno turned into a "late-bloomer," but the odds are very much against this. The two issues I have with resigning Geno is the fact that we are giving him $4 million. Obviously in the scheme of things it's not much, but I am of the mindset that everything this team invests in should be with the mindset to compete for a SB for 2-3 years down the road and I don't think Geno does that. In fact, I think he takes us away from that. The second issue I have is with the timing. Why not wait until after the draft? Obviously this could be because another team was going to sign him (possible but not likely). Who knows what will happen- A QB you like could fall to you and then you are in a situation where you either have to cut Lock or eat the $4 million you spent on Smith.

Nice post, mykc.

But there is one aspect that you overlooked, and that is the fact that we do not have a quarterback on our roster that has any kind of game experience or familiarity with our players and coaches, which could explain both the timing and the amount of the signing. There's reason to believe that a team could have been willing to sign him for $3M. Although I was initially surprised at the amount, signing him now was a smart move IMO.

Besides, $4M isn't enough to create a dilemma where we don't want to cut him due to the amount of money we have invested.

[mykc14]

Nice post, mykc.

But there is one aspect that you overlooked, and that is the fact that we do not have a quarterback on our roster that has any kind of game experience or familiarity with our players and coaches, which could explain both the timing and the amount of the signing. There's reason to believe that a team could have been willing to sign him for $3M. Although I was initially surprised at the amount, signing him now was a smart move IMO.

Besides, $4M isn't enough to create a dilemma where we don't want to cut him due to the amount of money we have invested.

I agree $4 million isn't enough to worry about but that is what our FA has done over the past few years. It has been extremely frustrating. We just signed a FA to the largest contract in the PC/JS era a few months ago and it is shockingly low. PC and JS lost RW and this team's shot at the SB a few off-seasons ago when they had $60 million in cap space and spend it on a handful of mediocre players instead of a guy or two who could get us over the hump. Actually Geno's connection to our system is something that supports my point that Geno puts us closer to mediocracy. His familiarity probably adds a win or two on the season which, unless we are a Super Bowl contender actually hurts us next year. The only way I could get behind this move would be if he was signed because PC/JS really saw him as a guy who knows our offense well enough that he will mentor whoever eventually becomes or QBOTF (which is a possibility) or he is the QB who has the ability to lead us to the SB (extremely unlikely).

[Hawktawk]

Terms of contract actually reported as 3.5 base, 3.5 bonuses and 500k guaranteed . Pretty reasonable for a potential starter .

And can we ever tone down the whining about the miserable roster and the idiots in charge ?
. Can we stop blaming departure of Teflon man whiner on the FO and pin it on his unwillingness to accept personal responsibility for his shortcomings and most of all because he wanted that celebrity and he’s proving it throwing out the first pitch at the Rockies , throwing footballs in nuggets games . Look at Russell .

He went 6-8 last year . 0-3 against backups . He was a team cancer in the end . It was never getting better. We were worse than mediocre paying a guy 35 million that wasn’t worth it anymore . It’s notable Denver has made no move to resign him .

I have a problem with a dude filming himself in bed with Ciara “ Seattle we got a deal “ signing the biggest deal in league history .
A couple years and 11-29 with a pick 6 in his last playoff game hopefully ever and he’s hit too much . “ checked out “ this year according to teammates. Can’t win in Seattle need 3 or 4 more blah blah blah .
Played like a middle of the pack hack . I think we will find out JS swindled Denver with a player with declining skills and a massive unchecked ego . Good luck Nathanial Hackett and Denver o line .
Our offense will be better next year no matter who is starting .

[mykc14]

500k guaranteed

I like this. I don't have a big issue as long as we can get out of this contract without paying him the whole 4-7 million... but I also don't want him to be our backup at 4 million.

[RiverDog]

500k guaranteed

I like this. I don't have a big issue as long as we can get out of this contract without paying him the whole 4-7 million... but I also don't want him to be our backup at 4 million.

I do, too, and it explains a lot. If we draft or bring in another QB and decide to keep him and Lock, we're only out the $.5M. Very low risk all things considered.

[c_hawkbob]

The way I saw it broken down from Adam Schefter:

Seahawks are giving QB Geno Smith a one-year, $3.5 million deal that includes $500,000 guaranteed, plus another $3.5 million in incentives, per source.

Looks like the $500K guarantee is part of the base $3.5M.

[RiverDog]

Par for the course for a backup quarterback. No shame on that contract no matter which side you look at it from. If Geno makes the team but doesn't play, he gets what most experienced backups are getting, and if he does manage to start, he'll get a nice little reward. The Hawks still have the flexibility to cut him and not lose a bundle.

[NorthHawk]

3.5 M is a lot better than 7M that was first reported.
Still it’s a 300% raise if he makes the team.
I wonder what the incentives are as some of them might not be expected to be earned
which I think might have some mitigation of the Cap hit.

[Hawktawk]

I saw a report yesterday afternoon that the NFL had rejected the contract for some reason that was not disclosed but it was thought it would be resolved quickly and would eventually be approved . We shall see. I wouldn’t be surprised if Pete and John actually want to prove their point by using Russels backup as much as any other reason .
I don’t care . I want to win . We can with Geno if he’s similar to who he was last year . We can win with Locke if he’s able to win the job . We lost to 3 backups and a few journeyman starters last year so it’s not like we are replacing a great offense .
Addition by subtraction.

[NorthHawk]

It's going to be a reality check stepping down from a top 5 QB to a bottom 30 QB.
But if most of what he does is hand off then it might work.

[Hawktawk]

It's going to be a reality check stepping down from a top 5 QB to a bottom 30 QB.
But if most of what he does is hand off then it might work.

Our ( former ) top 5 qb went 6-8 last year losing to Kirk Cousins( shut out in the second half ) Ryan Tannehill ( blew a chance to win in overtime ) Taylor Heinike , Colt McCoy for the second time in 2 years , Nick Foles . Genos stats were comparable to better in some respects in his first 3 starts in 5 years . PFF has Denver at somewhere between 8 and 9 wins after getting their top 5 guy . Like the scout said this year “ the film doesn’t match the stats “ . You are what your record says you are . We sucked with Russ and he wanted out so good . We will have a better more consistent offense no matter what competent NFL QB is starting for us cause they are gonna run the plays .

[Aseahawkfan]

Our ( former ) top 5 qb went 6-8 last year losing to Kirk Cousins( shut out in the second half ) Ryan Tannehill ( blew a chance to win in overtime ) Taylor Heinike , Colt McCoy for the second time in 2 years , Nick Foles . Genos stats were comparable to better in some respects in his first 3 starts in 5 years . PFF has Denver at somewhere between 8 and 9 wins after getting their top 5 guy . Like the scout said this year “ the film doesn’t match the stats “ . You are what your record says you are . We sucked with Russ and he wanted out so good . We will have a better more consistent offense no matter what competent NFL QB is starting for us cause they are gonna run the plays .

You keep yapping cherry picking stats like Russell isn't a top 5 QB and you'll just keep being wrong again and again and again.

[Hawktawk]

Our ( former ) top 5 qb went 6-8 last year losing to Kirk Cousins( shut out in the second half ) Ryan Tannehill ( blew a chance to win in overtime ) Taylor Heinike , Colt McCoy for the second time in 2 years , Nick Foles . Genos stats were comparable to better in some respects in his first 3 starts in 5 years . PFF has Denver at somewhere between 8 and 9 wins after getting their top 5 guy . Like the scout said this year “ the film doesn’t match the stats “ . You are what your record says you are . We sucked with Russ and he wanted out so good . We will have a better more consistent offense no matter what competent NFL QB is starting for us cause they are gonna run the plays .

You keep yapping cherry picking stats like Russell isn't a top 5 QB and you'll just keep being wrong again and again and again.

Some of Russels stats are top 5. I think his qbr is tied for 3rd but only a fraction ahead of Geno . His completion % was his worst in years . Mostly no clutch gene anymore , no big plays with the game on the line . . He’s always been off schedule and unwilling to risk picks over the middle but it worked due to his athleticism and creativity . Then halfway through 2020 something changed . Blame PC but they didn’t average a pick a game right up to the pick 6 in the playoff game . This year blows chance to win late vs Tennesse , Commanders and Bears , 2 playing backups. Even the second Rams game was in reach as the defense battled but Russ scored 10 points , the same amount Geno put up
In the 4th quarter of the first game . Where’s the beef ? He’s become 5-10 Kirk cousins . Put up lots of stats and win nothing .

So let’s see. Someone is gonna be wrong , maybe both sides . But I don’t think Russ is gonna ignite Denver like some think . If he does I’ll eat the crow but it won’t taste good . I think JS swindled Denver while there was still time . .

[TriCitySam]

Yeah this deal is goo, and we should have known, JS doesn't fo stupid deals, fiscally conservative.

[Aseahawkfan]

Some of Russels stats are top 5. I think his qbr is tied for 3rd but only a fraction ahead of Geno . His completion % was his worst in years . Mostly no clutch gene anymore , no big plays with the game on the line . . He’s always been off schedule and unwilling to risk picks over the middle but it worked due to his athleticism and creativity . Then halfway through 2020 something changed . Blame PC but they didn’t average a pick a game right up to the pick 6 in the playoff game . This year blows chance to win late vs Tennesse , Commanders and Bears , 2 playing backups. Even the second Rams game was in reach as the defense battled but Russ scored 10 points , the same amount Geno put up
In the 4th quarter of the first game . Where’s the beef ? He’s become 5-10 Kirk cousins . Put up lots of stats and win nothing .

So let’s see. Someone is gonna be wrong , maybe both sides . But I don’t think Russ is gonna ignite Denver like some think . If he does I’ll eat the crow but it won’t taste good . I think JS swindled Denver while there was still time . .

I don't give a crap what he did in Denver. He set every good Seahawks record we had. He kept us in the playoffs when our team fell apart. He was putting up efficiency stats and making this team competitive on a yearly basis.

Just because you forgot what it was like before Russ and after Russ, doesn't change what he did for this team. It was a night and day difference having an elite QB like Russ for ten years. I'm going to miss having that solid QB we knew at least gave us a shot to get to the playoffs every year.

All this puffed up talk pretending we had some great team around Russ is just horse puckey.

[Hawktawk]

Some of Russels stats are top 5. I think his qbr is tied for 3rd but only a fraction ahead of Geno . His completion % was his worst in years . Mostly no clutch gene anymore , no big plays with the game on the line . . He’s always been off schedule and unwilling to risk picks over the middle but it worked due to his athleticism and creativity . Then halfway through 2020 something changed . Blame PC but they didn’t average a pick a game right up to the pick 6 in the playoff game . This year blows chance to win late vs Tennesse , Commanders and Bears , 2 playing backups. Even the second Rams game was in reach as the defense battled but Russ scored 10 points , the same amount Geno put up
In the 4th quarter of the first game . Where’s the beef ? He’s become 5-10 Kirk cousins . Put up lots of stats and win nothing .

So let’s see. Someone is gonna be wrong , maybe both sides . But I don’t think Russ is gonna ignite Denver like some think . If he does I’ll eat the crow but it won’t taste good . I think JS swindled Denver while there was still time .

I don't give a crap what he did in Denver. He set every good Seahawks record we had. He kept us in the playoffs when our team fell apart. He was putting up efficiency stats and making this team competitive on a yearly basis.

Just because you forgot what it was like before Russ and after Russ, doesn't change what he did for this team. It was a night and day difference having an elite QB like Russ for ten years. I'm going to miss having that solid QB we knew at least gave us a shot to get to the playoffs every year.

All this puffed up talk pretending we had some great team around Russ is just horse puckey.

When we won anything we had a GREAT team around Russ . Then we were easily 3/4 games above what we would have been without Russ for several more years , he won lots of games here yes but he’s one of 22 guys . In his last 25 games he’s been average to bad to terrible in key moments which is why we’ve lost so many of his starts.

None of that diminished what Russ Wilson did here , how he transformed the league , the number of midget quarterbacks who got rich claiming they were the next Wilson . But none of that changed the fact the guy gave up , slacked off for 35 million and begged out . And I think Seattle was ready to accommodate him this time after holding back the year before . The way it went down soured lots of fans on Russ one being myself . I said do it now the instant I heard “ hit too much “

Time will tell Asea. Maybe he will be great in Denver . I don’t think he will be great again anywhere . Hit too much . And I read an analysis of former GM Scott Pioli who thinks what I said, Denver bought damaged goods and brought him to a team no more complete than the one he left , probably less offensive weapons .

It doesn’t change his greatness on the Seattle scene at all but it might mean it was time to do it and PC and JS did the right thing. I think they have a definite plan . I’m excited . I don’t think anyone not in that locker room or in the coaching staff or FO understands how bad it got .

[NorthHawk]

When we won anything we had a GREAT team around Russ .

After 2014 we no longer had a great team around Russ, but we kept on having winning seasons.
In 2019 we started the year with a Defense that was on pace to be the worst in NFL history, but we won the first 5 games.
That's the impact of having a great QB and nobody on this team and only a few other QBs in the league could have done that.
This year, if the Defense goes through a rough patch those wins won't be there. Not with Geno starting and playing even
with Waldron as OC in his 2nd year. Pete has said he isn't changing his philosophy so that will mean pretty much the same
Offense, but this time we won't have a QB capable of elevating his play to make up for it.

[RiverDog]

When we won anything we had a GREAT team around Russ .

After 2014 we no longer had a great team around Russ, but we kept on having winning seasons.
In 2019 we started the year with a Defense that was on pace to be the worst in NFL history, but we won the first 5 games.
That's the impact of having a great QB and nobody on this team and only a few other QBs in the league could have done that.
This year, if the Defense goes through a rough patch those wins won't be there. Not with Geno starting and playing even
with Waldron as OC in his 2nd year. Pete has said he isn't changing his philosophy so that will mean pretty much the same
Offense, but this time we won't have a QB capable of elevating his play to make up for it.

I'm with North Hawk on this one. We went 12-4 and won a division championship in 2020 with a very substandard team around Russell, then were exposed as Fool's Gold in the playoffs when Russell played poorly and the defense was unable to take advantage of the Ram's quarterbacking situation. Although I think there were more flaws in Russell's game than many want to admit, he wasn't what was wrong with this team over the past 7 years, at least not in its entirety.

[Hawktawk]

I said AFTER 2014 and losing us our second super bowl Russ was worth 3 or 4 wins a year over average which is giving him quite a bit of credit . But from the first Arizona game in 20 on Russ has gone sideways . I along with many others called the 12-4 record hollow. The first half was Russ cooking and no defense and at the end of the year it was no Russ and all defense . And that playoff loss was square on mr 11-29 with a pick 6 , utter meltdown . It started in 2020. Then the hit too much comments and the rest of the nonsense .

Other than a few glimpses late in the year with Penney running wild it never came back . I’m not sure which of Russell’s playoff losses was a good performance by him. We have 3 Wc wins in 8 years .
It was time . Playoffs in the fall .

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I don’t understand why Wilson’s past success some how absolves him of his lack of recent success. That last playoff game had other issues, but Wilson didn’t look even remotely like a $35 million QB. Where’s was the guy who could change the game like he used to? For the all the good he did, something is off, and it isn’t just because of the team around him. The back breaker in the playoff game was the fumbled punt fielding by Reed, but that was half way into the 4th quarter. Wilson and the offense only managed 3 points on 5 drives for 28 yards starting from the beginning of the second half to that point. That’s not what a qb like Wilson should be generating.

I’m not reveling in the fact that he’s gone. I would rather have him under center and find his game again this season. Perhaps Pete and John didn’t think he would. Perhaps Russel felt his game doesn’t align with what they want anymore. Whatever the reason, change had to happen. Geno likely isn’t the answer long term but he also wasn’t useless; far from it. It makes sense to re-sign a guy who knows the offense, offer competition, and help put a passable product on the field. Draft position be damned, Id rather see a team that has a shot to win and gives other teams a run for their money. Geno probably ruins any chance for a high draft pick next year. I’m fine with that.

[Hawktawk]

I don’t understand why Wilson’s past success some how absolves him of his lack of recent success. That last playoff game had other issues, but Wilson didn’t look even remotely like a $35 million QB. Where’s was the guy who could change the game like he used to? For the all the good he did, something is off, and it isn’t just because of the team around him. The back breaker in the playoff game was the fumbled punt fielding by Reed, but that was half way into the 4th quarter. Wilson and the offense only managed 3 points on 5 drives for 28 yards starting from the beginning of the second half to that point. That’s not what a qb like Wilson should be generating.

I’m not reveling in the fact that he’s gone. I would rather have him under center and find his game again this season. Perhaps Pete and John didn’t think he would. Perhaps Russel felt his game doesn’t align with what they want anymore. Whatever the reason, change had to happen. Geno likely isn’t the answer long term but he also wasn’t useless; far from it. It makes sense to re-sign a guy who knows the offense, offer competition, and help put a passable product on the field. Draft position be damned, Id rather see a team that has a shot to win and gives other teams a run for their money. Geno probably ruins any chance for a high draft pick next year. I’m fine with that.

I agree with all of this . Even the part about wishing he had got it together and they could figure out how to co exist . They did such a good job of concealing the trade I had come to believe he was here another year I was cool with it based on the last few games where the offense was as explosive as late 2012 . Once the trade went down hindsight is 20-20. The sides downloaded on one another and it just looks bad for Russ .

I’m a fan of the rag , the Jersey . Not any individual player who no longer improves the Seahawks . You don’t want to be here I don’t want you here . The greatness of Russell does not cancel the events of the past few years . And yes Geno won’t be as dazzling and off schedule but based on film I’ve watched numerous times he’s going to be able to move the chains and score points . And nobody seems to care when I say it but he is loved by his teammates . It was part of pre game chatter on the networks . Michelle Tafoya reported Tyler Lockett had said “ sometimes the best thing you can do is sit back and watch “ referring to Russell’s injury . Obviously Russ didn’t take the hint . The whole hand thing . Film didn’t match the stats anymore

It’s a sad ending to a great chapter in our history .

[Aseahawkfan]

I don’t understand why Wilson’s past success some how absolves him of his lack of recent success. That last playoff game had other issues, but Wilson didn’t look even remotely like a $35 million QB. Where’s was the guy who could change the game like he used to? For the all the good he did, something is off, and it isn’t just because of the team around him. The back breaker in the playoff game was the fumbled punt fielding by Reed, but that was half way into the 4th quarter. Wilson and the offense only managed 3 points on 5 drives for 28 yards starting from the beginning of the second half to that point. That’s not what a qb like Wilson should be generating.

I’m not reveling in the fact that he’s gone. I would rather have him under center and find his game again this season. Perhaps Pete and John didn’t think he would. Perhaps Russel felt his game doesn’t align with what they want anymore. Whatever the reason, change had to happen. Geno likely isn’t the answer long term but he also wasn’t useless; far from it. It makes sense to re-sign a guy who knows the offense, offer competition, and help put a passable product on the field. Draft position be damned, Id rather see a team that has a shot to win and gives other teams a run for their money. Geno probably ruins any chance for a high draft pick next year. I’m fine with that.

I wouldn't bet on that myself. Geno sat behind Wilson because Wilson was healthy every year but last year. Coming in and winning 1 of 3 games isn't exactly great. Just because he put up stats in one game, the main stat that matters is wins and he was 1 and 2. The only team we beat was the Jaguars. We lost to the Rams when he came in, but that was off the bench. Then lost to Pitt and New Orleans.

The cherry picking of stats for a single game against a terrible team making it seem like Geno is some guy who can win does not fit the reality of what he did. Fact is with Geno under center, we went 1 and 3. Won against Jacksonville. Lost to the Rams, Steelers, and Saints.

So people expecting a lower draft pick because Geno is in the game may be quite surprised that the most important stat of wins Geno did not do well at all.

Whereas Russ went 6-7 playing a few of those games obviously hurt. If he were fully healthy, I have little doubt we would have at least had a positive record though likely still not playoff bound.

Still not sure why the wins and losses are being ignored when building Geno up, but Geno did not win but one game against possibly the worst team in the NFL.

This has nothing to do with absolving Wilson of anything. His numbers indicated he was a top level NFL QB year after year. His performance was high. He did not miss a game until his 10th year. He won a Super Bowl and went to another. He kept us playoff bound. These are not speculations, they are a fact. Now the Seattle fan base is going to remember what it was like before Wilson. Which it seems a lot of Seattle fans have forgotten all those down years without a top level QB missing the playoffs and eeking out a positive record when we were in a bad division. Now this division is one of the strongest in football and we're going to be the team without the QB in it.

[Hawktawk]

I don’t understand why Wilson’s past success some how absolves him of his lack of recent success. That last playoff game had other issues, but Wilson didn’t look even remotely like a $35 million QB. Where’s was the guy who could change the game like he used to? For the all the good he did, something is off, and it isn’t just because of the team around him. The back breaker in the playoff game was the fumbled punt fielding by Reed, but that was half way into the 4th quarter. Wilson and the offense only managed 3 points on 5 drives for 28 yards starting from the beginning of the second half to that point. That’s not what a qb like Wilson should be generating.

I’m not reveling in the fact that he’s gone. I would rather have him under center and find his game again this season. Perhaps Pete and John didn’t think he would. Perhaps Russel felt his game doesn’t align with what they want anymore. Whatever the reason, change had to happen. Geno likely isn’t the answer long term but he also wasn’t useless; far from it. It makes sense to re-sign a guy who knows the offense, offer competition, and help put a passable product on the field. Draft position be damned, Id rather see a team that has a shot to win and gives other teams a run for their money. Geno probably ruins any chance for a high draft pick next year. I’m fine with that.

I wouldn't bet on that myself. Geno sat behind Wilson because Wilson was healthy every year but last year. Coming in and winning 1 of 3 games isn't exactly great. Just because he put up stats in one game, the main stat that matters is wins and he was 1 and 2. The only team we beat was the Jaguars. We lost to the Rams when he came in, but that was off the bench. Then lost to Pitt and New Orleans.

The cherry picking of stats for a single game against a terrible team making it seem like Geno is some guy who can win does not fit the reality of what he did. Fact is with Geno under center, we went 1 and 3. Won against Jacksonville. Lost to the Rams, Steelers, and Saints.

So people expecting a lower draft pick because Geno is in the game may be quite surprised that the most important stat of wins Geno did not do well at all.

Whereas Russ went 6-7 playing a few of those games obviously hurt. If he were fully healthy, I have little doubt we would have at least had a positive record though likely still not playoff bound.

Still not sure why the wins and losses are being ignored when building Geno up, but Geno did not win but one game against possibly the worst team in the NFL.

This has nothing to do with absolving Wilson of anything. His numbers indicated he was a top level NFL QB year after year. His performance was high. He did not miss a game until his 10th year. He won a Super Bowl and went to another. He kept us playoff bound. These are not speculations, they are a fact. Now the Seattle fan base is going to remember what it was like before Wilson. Which it seems a lot of Seattle fans have forgotten all those down years without a top level QB missing the playoffs and eeking out a positive record when we were in a bad division. Now this division is one of the strongest in football and we're going to be the team without the QB in it.

Once again saying JAx horrible team was all Geno did . Never mind competing your first 15 of the game and 20 of 24 against any nfl team is impressive . Like Dk said post game in a tweet “ never had a ball like that “ . He completed 72 % vs a playoff bound Steelers game on the road despite being sacked 5 times by TJ watt and having 2 passes tipped by watt and another severely influenced by a chop from guess who . I was surprised it wasn’t an empty hand .he led 4 of 5 scoring drives in the 3rd and 4th quarter including a last minute drive to get to overtime . He had moved the team pretty close to field goal range and got sacked. Got it back and got stripped . But he drew a very tough assignment his first start , first week with the starters . Completed passes to 10 receivers. I was already on board after his amazing 4th quarter 98 yards cold”surgical” as the announcers correctly said . 131 yards passing including a TD to DK to cap it , a beautiful dime. 10 points . 23 yards rushing on 3 carries. Russ had 7 points, a pick in 3 quarters , should have been 2 picks , overthrew Lockett for a sure TD by 3 yards on the play he got hurt on . The only thing stopping Geno was a defender tripping Lockett coming out of his break on a timing route . For a game his numbers would be 520 passing yards and 40 points with 4 TDs . 4 picks too to be fair . But when is the last time Russ lit up the Rams in any quarter ? We haven’t beaten them since Goff was starting . To look at it another way Geno scored as many points in one quarter vs the world champs as Russ in the second game .
Saints in a downpour was his worst game against a filthy defense but still 60% completion and 10 points with missed field goals leading to a 13 -10 loss . But he still dropped a dime on DK burning Lattimore . A couple weeks later Tom Brady scored as many against them as Russ did on Green Bay the jags won the following week over Buffalo 9-6.
Geno played great . I know you aren’t happy how Russ left but you didn’t watch what I did .

[Hawktawk]

Remember that these same coaches and the GM that drafted and developed Wilson had this guy sitting on the bench for 3 years . I didn’t understand why . Career 58% passer with a TD to int ratio that was terrible . Suddenly he’s shockingly called upon and he played nothing like earlier in his career. Statistically he was as good or better than Wilson for the season . It’s good news for Drew if they can develop him the way they have Geno .

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Asea, I think you’re blatantly ignoring the fact that Russel Wilson hasn’t been the same and a lot of it is on him. I’m focusing on the playoff game because it was a dismal performance at a time when a $35 million QB is supposed to show up. He didn’t and it wasn’t close. I don’t care if they go 17-0 in a season, not showing up in the playoffs means none of that matters.

Not sure what you think I meant by high draft pick; but Geno likely pushes you out of the top 10. I think he’s a 500 qb with maybe some breaks getting you a few more wins and a playoff north. Yeah, he was 1-3, but didn’t look to shabby in the effort. It’s not like they were blow outs.

Anyway, I’ll come the table and ear crow with HT, too, if Russel lights it up in Denver.

[Aseahawkfan]

Once again saying JAx horrible team was all Geno did . Never mind competing your first 15 of the game and 20 of 24 against any nfl team is impressive . Like Dk said post game in a tweet “ never had a ball like that “ . He completed 72 % vs a playoff bound Steelers game on the road despite being sacked 5 times by TJ watt and having 2 passes tipped by watt and another severely influenced by a chop from guess who . I was surprised it wasn’t an empty hand .he led 4 of 5 scoring drives in the 3rd and 4th quarter including a last minute drive to get to overtime . He had moved the team pretty close to field goal range and got sacked. Got it back and got stripped . But he drew a very tough assignment his first start , first week with the starters . Completed passes to 10 receivers. I was already on board after his amazing 4th quarter 98 yards cold”surgical” as the announcers correctly said . 131 yards passing including a TD to DK to cap it , a beautiful dime. 10 points . 23 yards rushing on 3 carries. Russ had 7 points, a pick in 3 quarters , should have been 2 picks , overthrew Lockett for a sure TD by 3 yards on the play he got hurt on . The only thing stopping Geno was a defender tripping Lockett coming out of his break on a timing route . For a game his numbers would be 520 passing yards and 40 points with 4 TDs . 4 picks too to be fair . But when is the last time Russ lit up the Rams in any quarter ? We haven’t beaten them since Goff was starting . To look at it another way Geno scored as many points in one quarter vs the world champs as Russ in the second game .
Saints in a downpour was his worst game against a filthy defense but still 60% completion and 10 points with missed field goals leading to a 13 -10 loss . But he still dropped a dime on DK burning Lattimore . A couple weeks later Tom Brady scored as many against them as Russ did on Green Bay the jags won the following week over Buffalo 9-6.
Geno played great . I know you aren’t happy how Russ left but you didn’t watch what I did .

I know you're going to get a nice wake up call next year and be eating heaping plates of crow.

Let's look at the stats that matter:

1 and 3. 1 win and 3 losses.

1 TD, 1 TD, and 2 TDs.

Jacksonville 3 and 14 was their record. 3 and 14.

New Orleans 9-8. No Sean Payton and no QB to speak of.

Pittsburgh 9-7-1.

Rams obviously Super Bowl champion.

Geno was nothing to write home about at all. Did not keep the team competitive. And this is when teams had no time to prepare for his game and never thought Russell would be out for as long as he was. Russell hadn't been injured prior to that year.

Going in to the season, they'll know who is under center. It won't be Russ. They will game plan to specifically take advantage of these weak QBs that couldn't win even when no one knew they were coming.

Geno won't keep this team competitive just like he didn't when Russ was out this year. The only thing you saw differently from the rest of us you ignoring all the bad about Geno to focus on a handful of plays that still led to us losing all but one of the 4 games Geno played in. So you're right, no one saw what you did. We all saw what really happened: a back up QB winning 1 game and losing 3 with that one win coming against the 3 and 14 Jaguars, one of the worst teams in the NFL.

So sure, no one saw what you did. Or at least most of us aren't deluding ourselves into thinking Geno Smith is a real contending QB because cherry picking good plays 1 in win versus 3 losses isn't you proving Geno is a contender. He's 1 and 3. He plays like he did while Russ was hurt, we'll end up 4 and 13 or 5 and 11 with a nice, high draft pick.

[Aseahawkfan]

Asea, I think you’re blatantly ignoring the fact that Russel Wilson hasn’t been the same and a lot of it is on him. I’m focusing on the playoff game because it was a dismal performance at a time when a $35 million QB is supposed to show up. He didn’t and it wasn’t close. I don’t care if they go 17-0 in a season, not showing up in the playoffs means none of that matters.

Not sure what you think I meant by high draft pick; but Geno likely pushes you out of the top 10. I think he’s a 500 qb with maybe some breaks getting you a few more wins and a playoff north. Yeah, he was 1-3, but didn’t look to shabby in the effort. It’s not like they were blow outs.

Anyway, I’ll come the table and ear crow with HT, too, if Russel lights it up in Denver.

Russ in 2020 threw for 40 TDs. He's kept this team competitive since it started to fall apart.

You guys choose to focus on the year he is injured? I'm not sure what tell you. You keep expecting him to do what? Carry the team alone to the Super Bowl? It's a bad team.

I don't hear an acknowledgement from the fan base that this team right now is truly bad, especially on defense. It's d-line is atrocious. We have no solid CBs. Our O-line is not great. We have some great WR and Russ has made them sing, which is why both are on their way to getting paid. The run game has been inconsistent at best.

No one brings up the following:

1. Chris Carson has been injured nearly every year entering the playoffs. Penny only blew up last year because he's been sitting on the injury list nearly every year since he arrived.

2. The defense has fallen off consistently every year since for the past 5 years.

3. We've had Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf doing really well. They are not putting up those big numbers because they're just amazing WRs. They're putting them up because they had an elite guy throwing to them.

I fail to understand how fans are putting all of this on Russ, like he's the reason we're not doing well but he had what? An amazing team around him and he's the one failing? Really?

So maybe Russ doesn't light it up in Denver. Not really the point. The main point is he was the only thing taking us to the playoffs here year after year. Denver may not light it up, we are going back to the bad old days of not making the playoffs and possibly top 10 picks because this team isn't good. I don't know why fans like Hawktawk keep trying to make it seem like Russ was the main problem when he was the only high performing player on team and the passing game led by him was pretty much the only reason we even made the playoffs for the past 4 or 5 years.

Russ was the sole bright spot for this team. I've been watching it just like the rest of you. Watching this team degrade year after year. Watching draft pick after draft pick on defense fail or worse like Malik McDowell. But somehow this is Russ's fault? I'm glad Russ was able to keep this team in the playoffs as it fell apart. Because this is a bad team.

No top players on the D-line. Can't get pressure. A RB who can't stay healthy for the most important games. Draft pick after draft pick performing at a subpar to average level at best on defense. Just a team on the downfall that finally fell down hard last year when their Pro Bowl QB who somehow managed to eek out enough wins to make the playoffs in prior years just couldn't get it done this year.

I don't understand fans who can't look at their team in a realistic light and see it's not a good team, especially on defense. We're bad right now. It's not because the QB isn't giving it his fall. It's because we have had multiple years of failed drafting and free agency. It's coming home to roost. It's gotta stop before this team gets better.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I’m not focusing at all on his injured season. The very season you mention where he threw for 40 tds, he laid an egg in the biggest game of the season. Something is off, dude. Russel hasn’t been the same, and it isn’t all on the team. I really wanted him to come back and right his ship, and, therefore, the Seahawks ship. Either he didn’t want it, didn’t think it could be done with the current team/coaching, they didn’t see eye-to-eye on the offensive, or Pete and John didn’t think he could get right again.

And the very company Russel Wilson holds himself with make it work with RB injuries or mediocre back fields. When you make the kind of salary they make, you have to deliver in the big games.

[Hawktawk]

In 13 quarters Geno threw to DK 17 of 21 for 4 touchdowns , 251yards and a passer rating of 151.5 for Geno . When Russ returned DK had to wait till his 7th game back vs the bears to get another. Did you really say Russ made DK great ? Lockett? Not lately . And don’t bring up the injury thing cause he said he was ready after 3 games doing his 2 minute drill pre game , look at Russ . Geno completed 10 passes to Lockette IN THE FIRST HALF . Yeah it was the jags that beat Buffalo 9-6 the next week . Geno was 1-2 and was a play away from winning all of them including the rams . Facing the super bowl champ , a hall of famer and 2 #1 overall Quarterbacks , 3 great defenses and a bad one that held Buffalo to 6 points the following week . Our receivers will be just fine not running the scramble drill . Geno played good .

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