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Pretty much a local topic here, but apparently one of our Seattle legislators has decided that the first white settler west of the Rocky Mountains does not measure up to his standards:

https://www.nbcrightnow.com/news/state/ ... lJ-gyJSry0

I was born and raised in Walla Walla, so I know quite a bit about the local history. Had he lived in a different place/time, Dr. Marcus Whitman would have been a Saint. He treated sick and ailing Native Americans, traded with them, and nurtured a mutual friendship with them. However, those same NA's murdered both him and his family, touching off a war and giving white settlers/Army an excuse to consider them 'savages'. Now we have a Seattle politician that wants to jump on the Charlottesville bandwagon and remove the statutes at the state capitol and in Washington, DC that were erected to tell his story.

I fully realize that it was the white settlers and US Army that committed the majority of atrocities in the early and mid 19th century as the country expanded. But not all white settlers were devilish personalities hell bent to conquer and force into submission all NA's, and neither were all NA's as pure as the wind driven snow. Dr. Whitman was a rare exception of tolerance and human goodness during a very dark and ugly period of American history and should be used as an example of what we should all strive to be.

This is one of the worst examples of a politician looking to re-write history simply to to conform with his personal, preconceived ideas. This is in no way analogues to the removal of the Gen. Lee statute, which is IMO the motivation behind this proposal.

...and neither were all NA's as pure as the wind driven snow.

This is another vast understatement. The NAs were ferocious fighters who committed their fair share of atrocities, not only with settlers but with each other as well, including enslavement of conquered foes.

It was a horrible time all around.

...and neither were all NA's as pure as the wind driven snow.

burrrton wrote:This is another vast understatement. The NAs were ferocious fighters who committed their fair share of atrocities, not only with settlers but with each other as well, including enslavement of conquered foes.

It was a horrible time all around.

Yup. Sacagawea of the Lewis and Clark expedition is a good example. She was Shoshone that was kidnapped by the Sioux, removed from her homeland, and held against her will for over a year before they sold her to a French trapper named Charbonneau.

It makes me wonder what kind of education we are teaching these morons that allows them to justify proposing legislation like this.

I already told you what will happen one day due to immigration and the change in Demographics, yet you don't seem to believe me. One day The Founders of this nation will be vilified. Mount Rushmore will likely be defaced. The left will not rest until they pull down everything and they have taken control of the higher education system. It's astounding you don't see the trend coming. The vilification of all the history of the West is growing as the pursuit of the vote of the people that were marginalized and mistreated in the past. It's the past coming home to roost and this is just the beginning.

It's amazing that you don't understand part of the immigration problem. Immigrants don't care about The Founders of this nation. They don't have any attachment to them or their history. They don't care about the men like the Doctor that founded Walla Walla or any of that. They literally have no attachment to this nation other than a place to make money and go to improve their lives. They have their heroes and people they respect and they are not American. We even have large and growing populations that look at folk of European ancestry as inconsequential and unimportant to their history or as enemies. As long as the Demographic changes we've seen keep occurring, I expect this nation's history to be written and remembered very differently than what we grew up on.

I'm not going to argue it. But I have been telling folks that the left and the immigration movement will lead to the destruction of everything many Americans hold in high regard from The Founders to local heroes to all types of what might be termed Anglo-American culture. There is a crusade to destroy it all and anyone associated with slavery, oppression, or the destruction of natives and the like. Let's just say that is nearly everyone in early American history.

Aseahawkfan wrote:I already told you what will happen one day due to immigration and the change in Demographics, yet you don't seem to believe me. One day The Founders of this nation will be vilified. Mount Rushmore will likely be defaced. The left will not rest until they pull down everything and they have taken control of the higher education system. It's astounding you don't see the trend coming. The vilification of all the history of the West is growing as the pursuit of the vote of the people that were marginalized and mistreated in the past. It's the past coming home to roost and this is just the beginning.

It's amazing that you don't understand part of the immigration problem. Immigrants don't care about The Founders of this nation. They don't have any attachment to them or their history. They don't care about the men like the Doctor that founded Walla Walla or any of that. They literally have no attachment to this nation other than a place to make money and go to improve their lives. They have their heroes and people they respect and they are not American. We even have large and growing populations that look at folk of European ancestry as inconsequential and unimportant to their history or as enemies. As long as the Demographic changes we've seen keep occurring, I expect this nation's history to be written and remembered very differently than what we grew up on.

I'm not going to argue it. But I have been telling folks that the left and the immigration movement will lead to the destruction of everything many Americans hold in high regard from The Founders to local heroes to all types of what might be termed Anglo-American culture. There is a crusade to destroy it all and anyone associated with slavery, oppression, or the destruction of natives and the like. Let's just say that is nearly everyone in early American history.

I disagree. This issue has next to nothing to do with the current immigration debate. IMO it's an example of political correctness run amok.

RiverDog wrote:I disagree. This issue has next to nothing to do with the current immigration debate. IMO it's an example of political correctness run amok.

You can disagree all you want. Just means you aren't paying attention. It very much does have much to do with the immigrant discussion. I want you to explain to me how you protect cultural icons and history if the people that now populate the nation view them as enemies and villains in their story? Or don't know about them or care about them? Explain it to me, RD.

The majority of immigrants I chat with on a daily basis don't care a lick about The Founders of the nation. They don't know about them. Don't care about them. They don't care much about The Constitution or know much about it. I work in the heart of Seattle and work with and deal with a ton of immigrants on a daily basis. I query them all the time on their world views.

If you haven't noticed, the face of socialism is very heavily immigrant because socialism is a very popular form of government in many other nations they come up in. All the time talking with immigrants I hear about the free social services their cousins, brothers, friends, and such are receiving in other nations, especially nations in Europe as well as our neighbor Canada. They want those services here. Even their relatives want nothing to do with the culture of those nations in Europe. They could care less about the cultural history of those nations or learning their language save to work. Many believe in ensuring they teach their cultural ideals to counter what is taught in these nations just like they want to counter what America teaches. I even know a few that laugh at America and say we have no culture.

Combine that with a left wing selling the idea that the right hates immigrants, minorities, and females and courting their vote, while at the same time working very hard to destroy American historical icons nationwide to appease these voter groups and you get what we have now.

It's amazing you aren't paying attention to a very transparent and focused planned to ensure future power in America using a combination of the minority, female, and immigrant vote to take control from the slowly be bred out of power Euro-male power structure. You think is happening by accident? You think I'm just drumming up conspiracy theories when the evidence is clear and in the open? I'm not claiming conspiracies at all. I'm telling you exactly what I is occurring in the wide open public and that it is now and has been an intentional plan.

G.W. jr made inroads into derailing it by courting Latin immigrants when he ran. He was lambasted by the anti-immigrant right wingers, but it was a smart plan. The Republicans as it stands right now stand to lose future power for a long time if they don't wake up to the reality of the changing demographics. All this anti-immigrant rhetoric and the like is going to do is drive voters that might otherwise embrace some of the viewpoints into the arms of the left.

Immigrants are here to stay. This alienation by the right is going to lead them to a left looking to destroy American history bit by bit. Latins, Asian, and Middle Eastern folk don't much share the same cultural heroes. Folks of African and Native descent despise The Founding Fathers and similar American cultural icons as villains. It's amazing you don't understand this RD. Are you that shielded from politics where you live? I grew up listening to the talk among folk of non-Euro descent in America. I watch the protests here and the rhetoric in left wing schools regarding this. Have you heard of a book by Howard Zinn called "A People's History of the United States" being embraced by the left.

Wake up, buddy. Things are not like you think they are. Do more research. Immigration is very much a huge factor in the revision and destruction of American history as you know it. Suffice it to say, do more reading on the subject. Left has a plan in place for securing future voting power involving immigration and the minority vote. They are executing on that plan. It needs to be countered.