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Trump assassination attempt

Postby Stream Hawk » Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:55 pm

Thought this needed its own OT thread. While I can’t stand the guy, this was pretty crazy too far. As of 6 pm Saturday night, the shooter and a bystander killed. And no, this wasn’t staged. I also know this will be a huge bump in the polls. Almost guarantees his victory in November.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby c_hawkbob » Sun Jul 14, 2024 9:43 am

The right is trying to blame this on Democrats anti-Trump rhetoric but the shooter was evidently a Republican. My guess is he was either a traditionalist that didn't like where Trump was taking the Republican party or a farther right wingnut that was fired up about Trump distancing himself from Project 2025. Given that he was 20 years old I'd say the latter is more likely. I recon the upcoming deep dive into his on line activity will tell more.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby Aseahawkfan » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:01 pm

RD is camping I think or I'm sure he would have been on this.

Most sympathy I've seen for Trump for years five months before the election while Biden keeps looking worse and worse with more gaffes.

Trump reminding me more of Huey P. Long after this. He'll probably win unless some big revelations occur to bring him down.

Seems a standard lone gunman that slipped through the cracks like almost every other presidential assassination attempt.

I just want this election to get over. I'm tired of the back and forth and the claims of world ending results regardless of who wins making it seem like voting for Trump or Biden will end Democracy depending on what party you're from. That is a tiresome way to politic. Vote for me or United States Democracy ends. No talk of a better nation or how well we're doing, just fabrication after fabrication of how bad we're doing with incredibly low unemployment, high inflation due to so much money and demand circulating in the economy, pandemic over, and overall the nation doing well. But I guess if you can't politic on the idea of a better nation, might as well make things seem terrible then politic on fixing the terrible or fear which seems to be the most popular nowadays.

American politics sucks right now.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby Stream Hawk » Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:34 pm

Yes, American politics do suck right now. I think this will definitely give the clown a boost in the polls. It was also a very shabby job by Secret Service.

Biden actually looked competent in his speech to the nation this morning. He interestingly had Kamala next to him; first time I’ve seen that happen probably ever. Wonder if they are considering a change there?

Something like this should unify the nation. As CBob noted, the shooter was a lunatic young republican. I heard he probably took the gun from his Trumper father.

Yep, I’m ready for election to be over.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby River Dog » Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:05 am

Sorry, I had another problem with my account. I'm now "River Dog", space instead of an underscore. Thanks to Yoder for getting it straightened out.

Of course, the right is trying to blame the Democrats. They're also blaming the government's DEI hiring policy, naming some female SS agents. But there was obviously a security lapse that will take time to sort out.

This is just more bad news for Biden and the Dem's hopes of controlling the White House. As it did with Reagan, Trump's surviving of an assassination attack will evoke a huge sympathy from his supporters and make him even tougher to beat in November.

But on the other hand, we literally dodged a bullet. We were a few inches of a 2nd civil war. My first reaction was that one of those moonbats will try to take out Biden or some other high profile Dem. I hope I'm wrong.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:54 pm

They still don't know much about the young man. A BBC article mentions he was a loner that sometimes wore camo to school and was frequently bullied. He was successful academically and considered nice and well-liked by his teachers. Otherwise quiet.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3gw58wv4e9o

He was a member of a local shooting club, so it wouldn't surprise me that his father bought him the rifle. 18 years of age appears to be the minimum age to purchase, but I could see it being easier for his father to make the purchase. It's possible the motivation to let his son get into shooting was similar to that of Kipland Kinkel (Thurston High School shooter). I don't know if or to what extent Crooks was troubled, but Kinkel was very much so; his father I'm sure was desperate to find something to relate to him. Mr. Crooks was not aware of his son's intentions. Crooks' motivations are not yet known and may never be.

As for the security lapse, it appears that was at the feet of local law enforcement. They were tasked with the outer perimeter and failed to heed warnings of attendees that someone had climbed up on and was crawling around on the roof with a rifle. DEI has its faults, but that's not at fault on this one. SS was relying on local law enforcement to identify a threat like this so they could take action. Local LE failed here.

Trump brings a lot on himself, but I can't ignore the fact that he's constantly being called an existential threat to democracy, a dictator with comparisons to Hitler, and one who's going to take our rights away. It's possible that's enough to flip the switch on someone. Did that happen here? Who knows, but it's adding ammunition to fire at the Democrats.

I don't particularly like what's coming from both sides. I have seen plenty of Biden supporters wishing Crooks had aimed better. I have also seen plenty of Trump supporters proclaiming that, since Trump survived, he's anointed by God. I neither want a portion of the populace wishing for the murder of presidential candidate nor do I want anyone deifying the same. A sad state of affairs all around.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby Aseahawkfan » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:01 pm

It has gotten real stupid on both sides this whole time leading to this level of stupidity which is why even RD can imagine a Civil War if Trump had been killed. I don't think the conditions for a Civil War exist myself, but the conditions for real stupid violence exists.

Americans seem to want to turn gold into lead right now. I don't know why they can't see how good they have it in this country regardless of political affiliation. I don't get why they are listening to fools selling them they live in bad circumstances. We don't. We have some things we can improve, but we hardly live in dire circumstances. We live very well, great in fact, We have an excess of food, amazing medical, low unemployment, and overall are doing extraordinary well. We got people acting like Donald Trump is a tyrant or Joe Biden is some socialist dictator when both groups have survived four years or Trump and four years of Biden. Stock market did well under Trump and well under Biden. Americans need to take a step away from the computer and go outside and see America is doing well. TV and computer and phone keep on trying to sell people America is in a bad place, but it isn't. If more people stepped away from these manipulation tools, they would see that.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby River Dog » Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:14 pm

MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:They still don't know much about the young man. A BBC article mentions he was a loner that sometimes wore camo to school and was frequently bullied. He was successful academically and considered nice and well-liked by his teachers. Otherwise quiet.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3gw58wv4e9o

He was a member of a local shooting club, so it wouldn't surprise me that his father bought him the rifle. 18 years of age appears to be the minimum age to purchase, but I could see it being easier for his father to make the purchase. It's possible the motivation to let his son get into shooting was similar to that of Kipland Kinkel (Thurston High School shooter). I don't know if or to what extent Crooks was troubled, but Kinkel was very much so; his father I'm sure was desperate to find something to relate to him. Mr. Crooks was not aware of his son's intentions. Crooks' motivations are not yet known and may never be.

As for the security lapse, it appears that was at the feet of local law enforcement. They were tasked with the outer perimeter and failed to heed warnings of attendees that someone had climbed up on and was crawling around on the roof with a rifle. DEI has its faults, but that's not at fault on this one. SS was relying on local law enforcement to identify a threat like this so they could take action. Local LE failed here.

Trump brings a lot on himself, but I can't ignore the fact that he's constantly being called an existential threat to democracy, a dictator with comparisons to Hitler, and one who's going to take our rights away. It's possible that's enough to flip the switch on someone. Did that happen here? Who knows, but it's adding ammunition to fire at the Democrats.

I don't particularly like what's coming from both sides. I have seen plenty of Biden supporters wishing Crooks had aimed better. I have also seen plenty of Trump supporters proclaiming that, since Trump survived, he's anointed by God. I neither want a portion of the populace wishing for the murder of presidential candidate nor do I want anyone deifying the same. A sad state of affairs all around.


The latest I heard was that the rifle was his fathers and that he owned a number of rifles, but that the younger Crooks bought the ammo and a ladder a few days before the rally. They aren't saying much about a possible motive, but they have been able to access his phone so maybe they'll uncover something. He didn't have any apparent political leanings, registered as an R but gave money to D causes. His parents said that he didn't have very many, if any, friends.

As expected, the Grassy Knoll crowd has gone into overdrive, with conspiracy theories and misinformation being thrown around on social media that range from the plausible to the absurd, mostly the latter. It seems to be the thing of the times.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby River Dog » Thu Jul 18, 2024 4:34 am

Some details are starting to emerge. The Secret Service ID the shooter as a "person of interest" over an hour before the shooter, but by the time they tracked him down, it was too late. LE observed him with a range finder 30 minutes prior. Local LE told the SS that they didn't have enough resources to secure the building from which the shooter fired from. Lots of security lapses, and the blame game is in full swing.

They're still not clear on a motive. Cooks didn't appear to have a political or ideological agenda as he was a registered R and had donated to the D's, plus there's evidence that he might have been stalking Biden as well. One person who knew him said that he had expressed disdain for pols in both political parties. He does fit the pattern of former assassins or would be assassins. Having done a lot of research into the JFK assassination, and he has a lot of similarities to Lee Harvey Oswald, ie young, a loner with few friends, looking for notoriety, no previous criminal history. Both were assassins not just fixated on one individual. They both were looking for a target.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:35 am

Someone on a local forum here in Louisiana posted this from the NYTimes:

F.B.I. officials told members of Congress on Wednesday that the gunman who tried to kill former President Donald J. Trump used his cellphone and other devices to search for images of Mr. Trump and President Biden, along with an array of public figures.

The 20-year-old gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks of Bethel Park, Pa., also looked up dates of Mr. Trump’s appearances and the Democratic National Convention, according to people on two conference calls held to answer lawmakers’ questions.

And, at least once, his browsing history signaled concerns about his own mental state. He also seems to have previewed his attack on Steam, a gaming platform he frequented, telling fellow gamers he planned to make his “premiere” on July 13, the day of the shooting.

The disclosures, made during private briefings to lawmakers by the F.B.I. and the head of the embattled Secret Service, offered the most complete portrait so far of a would-be assassin with no criminal history, or even clearly discernible political beliefs, who came close to killing Mr. Trump. Still, no clear motive for the attack has emerged.
The official assessment aligned with recollections of people who knew him. Several former classmates have said they never heard the gunman express any particular political ideology. But Vincent Taormina, a former classmate who said he attended middle school and high school with the gunman, said in an interview that Mr. Crooks showed a general disdain for politicians in both parties.

He recalled one instance when the two were in seventh grade. During a classroom political debate, Mr. Taormina voiced his support for Mr. Trump. Mr. Crooks seemed incredulous.

“He says, ‘Aren’t you Hispanic? And you like Trump?’” Mr. Taormina said. “He said, ‘That’s a little stupid.’”

Mr. Taormina brushed off the encounter, and had few other interactions with Mr. Crooks. But he disputed other classmates’ accounts that the gunman had been bullied or had been a loner, saying that he was intelligent and had his own small group of friends.

“I did not know him personally or as a friend, but he was not bullied, he was not a recluse,” Mr. Taormina said.
The F.B.I. has been scouring Mr. Crooks’s possessions since the shooting on Saturday — including two phones and at least one laptop — for clues about his motive. So far, they have found no indication that Mr. Crooks, who was a registered Republican, had strong partisan political views one way or another, bureau officials told lawmakers.

Nor have they uncovered any evidence of co-conspirators or connections to foreign actors, two top bureau officials said during the tense calls in which members of the House and Senate demanded answers about a nearly catastrophic failure to safeguard Mr. Trump.

The officials told lawmakers that there was some indication that the gunman, who led a quiet life and worked at a nursing home near his house, might have been struggling with depression.

Officials singled out some of the searches on one of his cellphones, saying that he had looked up “major depressive disorder,” according to a person on the calls and another briefed on its contents.

Mr. Crooks seems to have been on good terms with his parents, who are both counselors, but they were not closely involved in the day-to-day details of his life, officials said.
Over the last several months, the gunman received multiple packages, including several that were marked “hazardous material,” according to a federal law enforcement memo obtained by The New York Times. Federal officials reviewed his shipping history after they discovered three explosive devices connected to him, the memo said. One device was found in his home, and two others were found in his car parked near the rally.

Investigators discovered two improvised explosive devices in the would-be assassin’s car that used a radio-controlled initiation system intended for commercial fireworks demonstrations.

While the briefing on Wednesday filled in some blanks, it left many questions unanswered. Federal law enforcement officials are puzzled and exasperated by the lack of evidence on the gunman’s two phones, one found by his body on the roof of a warehouse outside the security perimeter of the rally, the other discovered during a search of his house.

F.B.I. officials, speaking on the calls, suggested that his search history indicated he was broadly interested in powerful and famous people, without any obvious ideological or partisan pattern.

Among the other prominent figures the gunman searched for using one of his phones, besides Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden, were the F.B.I. director, Christopher A. Wray; Attorney General Merrick B. Garland; and a member of the British royal family, according to two officials with knowledge of the situation, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the matter publicly.
Mr. Wray, who was also on the calls, went out of his way to caution that the investigation was still in its early stages.

But the absence of “any political or ideological information” at the house Mr. Crooks shared with his mother and father was “notable” because most people who carry out acts of political violence tend to leave a discernible trail of political views, a top bureau official told lawmakers.

Kimberly A. Cheatle, the director of the Secret Service, admitted that her agency made serious “mistakes” during one of the calls, and provided new information about Mr. Crooks’s movements during the shooting. She is scheduled to testify before the House Oversight Committee on Monday.

During the briefing with senators, officials ran through a timeline of events, noting that law enforcement officers had identified the gunman as suspicious about an hour before the shooting but then lost track of him, according to two people familiar with the contents of the briefing.

About 20 minutes before the shooting, a sniper spotted him again, the people said.

Some senators left their call angry with the Secret Service after learning that officers did not intervene before he opened fire.
“He had a rangefinder and a backpack. The Secret Service lost sight of him. No one has taken responsibility,” Senator John Barrasso, Republican of Wyoming, said in a statement, adding, “The head of the Secret Service needs to go.”

Senator Rick Scott, Republican of Florida, called on federal law enforcement agencies to publicly release the same details shared with lawmakers.

“The Biden administration has got to start being open with Americans about what happened, who is being held accountable and how we make sure it never happens again,” he said.


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/us/t ... otive.html

Confirms what you posted, River.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby River Dog » Thu Jul 18, 2024 8:01 am

MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/us/trump-shooting-crooks-motive.html

Confirms what you posted, River.


Yep, and that's likely where I got most of my info as I read that article. I subscribe to the NY Times for their games.

I read where they didn't want to put a security agent on the roof the shooter fired from because it was a pitched roof and thought to be too dangerous. That seems like a pretty lame excuse as the roof shown in the pictures was only slightly pitched. They made it sound as if it were a building you might see in the Swiss Alps. They also said that the sheriff's office told the SS that they didn't have the LE agents they were requesting.

This is one of those hindsight is 20/20 propositions. It's really easy to take pot shots at the Secret Service, Sheriff's office, etc.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby Aseahawkfan » Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:07 am

I listened to Zuckerberg today. Even he is blown away by what Trump did after getting shot.

I don't know how any Democrat competes with a guy that was shot at and his instinct is to stand up and hold up his fist shouting "Fight!" after he is almost killed with the American flag flying high behind him. That image probably wins some prizes. It's going to be the most powerful marketing tool Trump could have asked for, nothing else will compare to it.

Trump's base will come out like rabid dogs election day. Even swing voters will look at Biden or some smarmy Dem fact-checking Trump or telling them how bad he is and how is a threat to Democracy while he's got a picture of him pumping his fist after getting shot at with blood on him telling them he's fighting for them while Old Glory flies behind him. Who do you want fighting for you as an American? The Dem fact-checking Trump and telling everyone how terrible he is or the Republican Trump holding up his fist after getting shot at shouting "Fight!" with the American flag behind him.

I think Trump's win in November is almost a foregone conclusion at this point. The fates have fallen his way. Barring something I can't see, I think he wins in November. Not sure by much, but enough for a solid return to the White House.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby River Dog » Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:23 pm

Social media is going bonkers with Trump and that huge bandage that he's wearing on his ear, comparing it to a panty liner.

Donald Trump wearing a panty liner on his ear. This is the same man who refused to wear a mask because he thought it would make him look stupid.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby Aseahawkfan » Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:38 pm

River Dog wrote:Social media is going bonkers with Trump and that huge bandage that he's wearing on his ear, comparing it to a panty liner.

Donald Trump wearing a panty liner on his ear. This is the same man who refused to wear a mask because he thought it would make him look stupid.


Not his followers. I'm sure the left wingers on social media are having fun with it.

I see you ignored what that picture of a defiant Trump in front of the American flag is going to inspire. Sorry, bud, a very powerful image, far more than some left wingers making fun of his bandage after getting shot which shows what kind of people they are making fun of a guy who was almost assassinated. Low character people. Two sides of the same coin. You gotta be a bit scummy to make fun of a guy wearing a bandage after an assassination attempt.

But that's the era of political dialogue were in. Low character, divisive, and pathetic.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby River Dog » Sun Jul 21, 2024 3:00 am

River Dog wrote:Social media is going bonkers with Trump and that huge bandage that he's wearing on his ear, comparing it to a panty liner.

Donald Trump wearing a panty liner on his ear. This is the same man who refused to wear a mask because he thought it would make him look stupid.


Aseahawkfan wrote:Not his followers. I'm sure the left wingers on social media are having fun with it.

I see you ignored what that picture of a defiant Trump in front of the American flag is going to inspire. Sorry, bud, a very powerful image, far more than some left wingers making fun of his bandage after getting shot which shows what kind of people they are making fun of a guy who was almost assassinated. Low character people. Two sides of the same coin. You gotta be a bit scummy to make fun of a guy wearing a bandage after an assassination attempt.

But that's the era of political dialogue were in. Low character, divisive, and pathetic.


I didn't 'ignore' anything. I simply posted something about Trump I thought was funny.

There's still quite a bit of time between now and November, over 3 months, so the effect of the assassination attempt will likely wear off by the time the election rolls around. That doesn't mean I think that Trump is going to lose, just that I don't think it's going to have the effect that all of us are assuming it will have. Americans have a very short memory.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:34 am

I don’t really get the jab at his bandage. The man was just shot at and wounded in the ear in an assassination attempt. Unless he was deliberately wearing bandage overkill, I would assume it was medically necessary. I don’t see how it’s productive for the left to be upset the assassin didn’t succeed and bag on his recovery from the wound incurred.

The mask thing wasn’t as cut and dried. I had no problem wearing mask and thought it was ridiculous for people to be so against it, but it was a hugely divided issue. No one, on the other hand, would question putting a bandage on a gunshot wound. It’s a very poor equivalence.

It’s a shame this is what we’ve fostered amongst ourselves as a nation. Ripping into people over bandaging a gunshot wound and wishing an assassin hadn’t missed and, in Biden’s case, cognitive and physical decline. I’m not a fan of either.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby River Dog » Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:57 am

MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:I don’t really get the jab at his bandage. The man was just shot at and wounded in the ear in an assassination attempt. Unless he was deliberately wearing bandage overkill, I would assume it was medically necessary. I don’t see how it’s productive for the left to be upset the assassin didn’t succeed and bag on his recovery from the wound incurred.

The mask thing wasn’t as cut and dried. I had no problem wearing mask and thought it was ridiculous for people to be so against it, but it was a hugely divided issue. No one, on the other hand, would question putting a bandage on a gunshot wound. It’s a very poor equivalence.

It’s a shame this is what we’ve fostered amongst ourselves as a nation. Ripping into people over bandaging a gunshot wound and wishing an assassin hadn’t missed and, in Biden’s case, cognitive and physical decline. I’m not a fan of either.


Ears can bleed pretty profusely, and it probably has to be changed daily, but a bandage that big a week after the injury? If he thought it made him look bad, you can bet your bottom dollar that he wouldn't be wearing one half that big. It's become a cult thing for the far right as a lot of them are wearing bandages in a show of solidarity, so until someone proves otherwise, I'm saying it's not medically necessary.

Regarding the mask analogy, IMO it's completely appropriate. Here's what Trump said about Biden in a 2020 debate:

I don't wear face masks like him," Trump said of Biden. "Every time you see him he's got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away ... and he shows up with the biggest mask I've ever seen."

Well, Trump has the biggest ear bandage anyone's ever seen. What goes around, comes around.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:42 am

I’ve never been shot in the ear, so I won’t comment on how big a bandage should be and how long it should be worn. Yes, it’s entirely possible it was overdone for effect.

It’s a narrow comparison regardless of what was said about masking. It’s weak to call it out when the general consensus for a bleeding wound is you bandage it. There was substantial debate on mask wearing; there’s no such debate on bandaging a wound.

Yes, uninjured people wearing a bandage on their ear is beyond asinine.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby River Dog » Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:58 am

MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:I’ve never been shot in the ear, so I won’t comment on how big a bandage should be and how long it should be worn. Yes, it’s entirely possible it was overdone for effect.

It’s a narrow comparison regardless of what was said about masking. It’s weak to call it out when the general consensus for a bleeding wound is you bandage it. There was substantial debate on mask wearing; there’s no such debate on bandaging a wound.

Yes, uninjured people wearing a bandage on their ear is beyond asinine.


I disagree. There wasn't much of a debate on whether or not it was healthier to wear a mask. For the most part, the debate was centered around whether or not a person can be forced to wear one, so in that sense, when one is questioning the medical necessity of wearing a huge bandage over a 2 cm wound a week after the injury, I think it's entirely appropriate to compare it with Trump's attitude towards masking.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:13 am

There was debate in that a substantial segment of the populace didn’t agree with wearing them and even medically it was hard to pin down the effectiveness of the measure which is why it is ridiculous to go after him over something everyone agrees you would have to do. For my part, masking made sense. A small measure with potentially big returns.

It is a weak link. Skewer him for any covid related issues regarding not masking. That’s well earned.

And questioning the medical necessity of the extent of bandaging a wound without knowing the severity of the wound or the recommendation the attending medical professional doesn’t help the case for making the statement.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby River Dog » Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:23 am

MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:There was debate in that a substantial segment of the populace didn’t agree with wearing them and even medically it was hard to pin down the effectiveness of the measure which is why it is ridiculous to go after him over something everyone agrees you would have to do. For my part, masking made sense. A small measure with potentially big returns.

It is a weak link. Skewer him for any covid related issues regarding not masking. That’s well earned.

And questioning the medical necessity of the extent of bandaging a wound without knowing the severity of the wound or the recommendation the attending medical professional doesn’t help the case for making the statement.


Well, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I will make one last comment before I leave this subject.

Trump was mocking Biden for something Biden felt was medically necessary. I think it completely legitimate now for Biden, or his surrogates, to mock Trump for something he thinks, or supposedly thinks, is medically necessary.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:26 am

A bandage is medically necessary for an ear struck by a bullet. It undermines the whole tit for tat approach.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby Aseahawkfan » Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:15 am

River Dog wrote:I didn't 'ignore' anything. I simply posted something about Trump I thought was funny.

There's still quite a bit of time between now and November, over 3 months, so the effect of the assassination attempt will likely wear off by the time the election rolls around. That doesn't mean I think that Trump is going to lose, just that I don't think it's going to have the effect that all of us are assuming it will have. Americans have a very short memory.


I don't think Trump getting shot at is funny myself. Nor the firefighter Corey Comperatore who was killed protecting his family when Trump was almost assassinated.

This particular event has an image that even you have not seen before from a president or former president you don't want to acknowledge. So it will not be forgotten as you say as it is an unforgettable image of a man that a lunatic tried to assassinate who stood up defiantly holding up his fist while his ear was bleeding showing that not even trying to kill him was going to stop him from his campaign with the American flag flying behind him. That is not as you want to claim forgettable. It's going to likely be one of the top images ever used in presidential history.

Even yourself who has lived a long time has never seen something like that occur and the person being assassinated having the defiance to stand up holding up his fist to his followers.

Did not happen with Reagan. No president or former president in American history has had such a moment. It is quite literally an historical moment. Not some Biden gaffe or Trump talking point easily forgotten, but an assassination attempt at a public rally captured on video and in photos that the former president survived and did what is not normal by standing up defiantly, fist in air with the American flag flying behind him.

If you can't see the power of this image and event, not sure what to tell you other than I highly disagree this will be forgotten. That image will be in history books as part of this weird time.

It's something no one can take from Trump and that he handled masterfully.

Even I who do not want this guy as a president and do not care for him can see he handled that attempted assassination in a way that is going down in history as another "Only in America" moment by a guy who has been under near constant political attack since he entered politics to the point where someone decided he should be killed and when they failed, he stood up defiantly in front of his followers defying even the attempt of an assassin to stop him.

I'm not even trying hard to frame that well because it can't be framed otherwise. Trump received a marketing tool better than any candidate in history with that image and moment.

But play it down all you want and join the low character club making fun of a guy someone tried to assassinate that ended up killing a firefighter protecting his family. A fallen former firefighter Trump honored and showed due respect for.

But hey, social media wants to make fun of Trump's bandage. Seems social media knows no depths of wrong either.
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Re: Trump assassination attempt

Postby River Dog » Tue Jul 23, 2024 3:28 pm

The head of the Secret Service submitted her resignation, and rightfully so. She gave a horrible testimony in front of a Congressional investigation into the shooting of Donald Trump, was extremely elusive of even the simplest of questions. To her credit, she was willing to take the blame for the multiple security lapses, but that doesn't excuse her horrid testimony. Heck, just sitting watching her testify made me want to get up and b**** slap that woman for her arrogance, and I wasn't even in the mood to blame the Secret Service as I realize they have an almost impossible task with very limited resources. And it comes after an extremely unusual bipartisan call for her resignation.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 2142&ei=20

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