Reports: The Seahawks Are Fed Up With Marshawn Lynch

[Distant Relative]

http://deadspin.com/reports-the-seahawk ... 1650955505

Doesn't really surprise me really. Might as well get what you can for him now instead of just letting him walk for nothing later.

PC is candy coating, (dismissing) the teams interior problems the Hawks are having (IMO)...... RW hasn't really looked good for 3 weeks now and I think it has to do with locker room and over all team cohesion.

I say get what you can for him now.

[Anthony]

Hmm so over 70% compl, over 300 yards passing, over 100 yards rushing and rating over 110 is not good. Hmm

[monkey]

http://deadspin.com/reports-the-seahawks-are-fed-up-with-marshawn-lynch-1650955505

Doesn't really surprise me really. Might as well get what you can for him now instead of just letting him walk for nothing later.

Huh?!? Because you read it on the internet it's true? Dude...
Look, I'll say it one last time, Lynch may very well be in his last season here, but that is because of his 7 million dollars he'll be owed next season, at age 29. That's it.

PC is candy coating, (dismissing) the teams interior problems the Hawks are having (IMO)

I'm not even entirely sure what this is supposed to mean, but we just traded away Percy Harvin...so how does that mean that Pete is "dismissing the teams interior problems"? First you ass/u/me there are problems, based on bad, tabloid journalism, started by a man who had once been fired from a sports media gig, for LYING on his resume about graduating from a college he never graduated from.
Second, the fact that we just traded Harvin proves that, whatever else Pete may or may not be doing about this unproven "problem", he' not just "dismissing it".

RW hasn't really looked good for 3 weeks now and I think it has to do with locker room and over all team cohesion.

Again, huh?!?
Wilson just recently set an NFL record, he's the first QB EVER to throw for 300+ yards while rushing for 100+. This just two games after a game where he threw for 200+ while rushing for 100+. Wilson has been pretty much the most consistently good thing our offense has had going for it since the season started. The last two games now, Baldwin has stepped up big time as well, but even Lynch hasn't exactly set the world on fire this season, at least not compared to the last two seasons.
I seriously have no idea what you are talking about, and the little I do think I understand, I disagree with completely, and wonder why in the world you are taking all these provably nonsensical stories seriously??

[HumanCockroach]

RW hasn't really looked good for 3 weeks now and I think it has to do with locker room and over all team cohesion.

Say what? Wilson is one of eight NFL QB's in history to throw for over 200 and run for a 100, NONE of those QB's have done it twice in their CAREERS, Wilson has just accomplished the feet TWICE in a four game stretch, and is the only QB to have EVER thrown for over 300 and rushed for 100 in the same game. There are clunkers in there, Dallas and Carolina were not particularly good football games the others weren't just good but historical Distant.

[Zorn76]

RW can't do it alone, but he's more than pulling his fare share.

Guy is way more clutch than not, and today he came through with a game winning TD pass.

Seattle does not have the same Mojo they did last season, obviously.

But if this team can just get into the postseason, they have a shot at getting back to the SB.

One game at a time. That's all they gotta worry about.

Meanwhile, yeah, Lynch will be gone. I was really hoping they'd be able to at least try to work something out for next year, but it doesn't sound positive at this point. He may just end up retiring after 2014 for all we know.

[RiverDog]

Russell hasn't been playing as well as we have come to expect, but his worst is better than most QB's best play. Plus we're missing a lot of players on offense. Unger and Miller mean more to our offense than we realize, and we are still transitioning from our post Harvin experience.

As far as Beast goes, the article is trying to put two and two together IMO. Beast seldom talks at all, so why is his not talking to the coaches a big surprise? He sure doesn't look disgruntled, as he's still running the ball with authority like he always does. But I don't doubt that he's gone after this season. He's getting to that point in his career where his carriage turns into a pumpkin.

[c_hawkbob]

I think Russ has been playing every bit as well as he ever has, he's just not got the support around him we've grown accustomed to.

[monkey]

I think Russ has been playing every bit as well as he ever has, he's just not got the support around him we've grown accustomed to.

Gee, don't you know Bob, Russell Wilson isn't special, he has the greatest defense, and run game ever, and any QB could win in Seattle?
I know that's true because I saw it on the internet.

[RiverDog]

I think Russ has been playing every bit as well as he ever has, he's just not got the support around him we've grown accustomed to.

He put the ball on the ground twice yesterday, losing it once, plus he threw a pass into heavy traffic that got picked off. He threw a forward pass that was nearly a fumble. His QBR yesterday was 64.7, quite a bit less than his career 100.1. Our passing offense is now dead last in the league, and as the quarterback, we have to assign at least some of that to him.

Obviously that's not all on him, maybe not even half of it is on him, but it is somewhat less than what we've come to expect of RW. And your exactly right about the lack of support, particularly w/o Miller and Unger.

[HumanCockroach]

Really RD? I would say that a ball that never hits his hands, isn't putting it on the ground, and the interception occurred on a ball that hit Lynch perfectly in the hands. I'm not absolving him from poor mistakes ( the under throw to Heflet was something I simply haven't seen him do often, he missed a TD) and he did have some ugly throws, but there is no way you can put the interception, or the lost fumble on Wilson, absolutely none.

[Hawktawk]

Other than the 3 losses instead of one at this juncture this looks a lot like certain stretches of the last couple of seasons. For instance the Carolina game is almost a carbon copy of the last 2 seasons in the same stadium. Seattle played games last year without Wags, 3 of 5 starting O linemen etc. Wilson is never going to lead the league in yardage but he does enough to win and generally takes great care of the football. And he may be the most effective running QB to ever play the game which is an aspect of his stats that is often minimized but is actually more devastating than a pass in many ways.
Hey by hook or by crook the Hawks are 4-3 and coming home for 2. Disaster averted....
GO HAWKS!!!!

[Hawktawk]

Really RD? I would say that a ball that never hits his hands, isn't putting it on the ground, and the interception occurred on a ball that hit Lynch perfectly in the hands. I'm not absolving him from poor mistakes ( the under throw to Heflet was something I simply haven't seen him do often, he missed a TD) and he did have some ugly throws, but there is no way you can put the interception, or the lost fumble on Wilson, absolutely none.

The ball to Lynch was a 50/50 ball. It was a very heavy hot high throw at extremely close range. Lynch is a power back, not a receiver and Wilson could have placed that ball better with more touch. Nobody loves the guy more than I do but that's just the fact of the matter. He made so many great plays its a moot point..............

[Hawk Sista]

Russell made some bad throws. No doubt. But to insinuate that he isn't special is just plain old weird. I knew we were gonna win when he got the ball w/ 4:00 minutes to go. I think you guys underestimate how HARD this effin game is. Where was our starting center, our top two TEs (counting McCoy), where are our seasoned vets or our field stretching 6'5" Kelvin Benjamin??? We don't have any is the answer. Our oline is jacked, our talented WR/RB/decoy/fly-fucking sweeper was too big of a head-case to make it a season.... And yet RW plugs away and plugs away and Russell effing Wilson found a way to get us that game wining TD. How bout the drops? Marshawn usually catches that pass & Zach would have hauled in the other one that L. Willson missed. Just sayin. And all the key dudes out on D and we won on the road against D that righted itself yesterday...@ 10:00am. I just don't get RW is catching heat.

As for Marshawn- who knows what the truth is. I know he's got some trouble, but I watched him battle yesterday. I watched as he chased down that dude who thought he recovered a fumble - looked ALL in to me.

There were sloppy plays on both sides of the ball yesterday. If you remember correctly- as I've said a bunch, we were playing this way last year offensively. We are about a point higher per game than we were at this point last year. (Exactly one point higher than our trip there last year.) The D is giving up about 8 more points, though that improved yesterday and ST accounts for some of those. Hang tight. Max, Zach, maxi, Lane & Bobby are scheduled to be back 2nd 1/2.

[mykc14]

The ball to Lynch was a 50/50 ball. It was a very heavy hot high throw at extremely close range. Lynch is a power back, not a receiver and Wilson could have placed that ball better with more touch. Nobody loves the guy more than I do but that's just the fact of the matter. He made so many great plays its a moot point..............

really? 50/50? Do you know what a 50/50 ball is? That means it has a 50% chance of being caught or 50% chance of being intercepted. That pass had maybe a 10% chance of being intercepted. It had to bounce of Lynches hands, Lynch didn't have to jump or anything, and fly up into the air. Come on. 50/50, SMH.

[c_hawkbob]

The ball to Lynch was a 50/50 ball. It was a very heavy hot high throw at extremely close range. Lynch is a power back, not a receiver and Wilson could have placed that ball better with more touch. Nobody loves the guy more than I do but that's just the fact of the matter. He made so many great plays its a moot point..............

Heavy hot and high huh? A bit alliterative, but I get your point, and I absolutely disagree. The ball hit Marshawn right in the hands, both of them, and it came in hot cause it had to, in close in that much traffic you need some heat on the ball. The drop/INT was all Marshawn, not the throw.

In fact IMO the biggest difference between this year and last is our receivers not making the highlight reel catches we're used too. Very often in today's NFL the QB is expected to throw to an area the defender can't get the ball, whether it's right in the hands of the intended receiver or not, and give the receiver a chance to make the spectacular play or accept the incomplete on the play. Last year our receivers were making the circus catches, this year they are not.

[Seahawks4Ever]

If Wilson tries to put "touch" on that end zone throw to Lynch then it would have been picked off. Any pass that hits a receiver in the hands as did the one ML missed yesterday is catchable. 99.9% of the time ML makes that catch, I loved the shot of that play from the end zone and the surprise on Lynch's face when he didn't have the ball in his hands was priceless. At first he slapped his hands together and you could almost hear him say damn! Then he saw that the ball was picked and went after the Panther with the ball. ML didn't have his best day but he was "all in" as was everybody else.

Shilling admitted that the ball simply slid out of his hand on that bad snap to Wilson, again, the replay tells the entire story as RW's hands try to grasp a football that is simply not there.

No play irritated me more than the 3rd. down play where Baldwin didn't run the route long enough to get the first down. It was such a simple route and all he had to do was take it 1 stride further before turning around. Sure he made the catch but was nailed immediately and we had to punt. So many drives, especially in the first half were like that, silly mistakes. All of which can be cleaned up BTW.

Hey, it was a win and that win made my whole weekend!

[NorthHawk]

In Marshawn's defense, the pass was thrown hard and a little high from a fairly short distance away.
If he was a WR who after practice every day has the Juggs machine throw 100 balls at him to practice catching, then I would agree that he should have caught it. As it is, it was a difficult catch that he didn't make. A WR or TE should have been able to catch it no problem as they practice catching much more often.

[obiken]

On KJR Mike Holmgren flat out said I am not a Marshawn Lynch, fan. That was 2 months ago and now I understand what he was saying. ML is a good back that we CANNOT win a title without. Sorry, that is just the reality of the situtation. We are stuck with him until years end. ML WILL get picked up in FA. He still has 3 good years left. WE all have to live with each other.

[HumanCockroach]

If Wilson tries to put "touch" on that end zone throw to Lynch then it would have been picked off. Any pass that hits a receiver in the hands as did the one ML missed yesterday is catchable. 99.9% of the time ML makes that catch, I loved the shot of that play from the end zone and the surprise on Lynch's face when he didn't have the ball in his hands was priceless. At first he slapped his hands together and you could almost hear him say damn! Then he saw that the ball was picked and went after the Panther with the ball. ML didn't have his best day but he was "all in" as was everybody else.

Shilling admitted that the ball simply slid out of his hand on that bad snap to Wilson, again, the replay tells the entire story as RW's hands try to grasp a football that is simply not there.

No play irritated me more than the 3rd. down play where Baldwin didn't run the route long enough to get the first down. It was such a simple route and all he had to do was take it 1 stride further before turning around. Sure he made the catch but was nailed immediately and we had to punt. So many drives, especially in the first half were like that, silly mistakes. All of which can be cleaned up BTW.

Hey, it was a win and that win made my whole weekend!

Yeah, I was going to explain that on the pass to Lynch, but figured why bother, it's there for anyone to see if they want to. Lynch should indeed have caught the football, the fumble that never left the ground aand hit Wilson in the ankle also is one that simply cannot be laid at the feet of Wilson. The throws to Heflet is another matter, and took 14 points off the board ( not to mention the numerous dropped INT'S and fumble recoveries). Ultimately, a win on the road is "good" no matter how well they played or how good it looked. A lot of this stems from the lies being floated ( something Wilson eluded to in the post game interview) and the back to back losses to teams Seattle should have been able to beat.

[Anthony]

I think Russ has been playing every bit as well as he ever has, he's just not got the support around him we've grown accustomed to.

Exactly spot on. AS I said look at what these other top QBs have to support them

Luck - 6th pass blocking o-line and has TY Hilton, Wyane, Nicks to throw to
P Manning- 4th pass blocking o-line and he has Thomas, Welker, Sanders
Brady 19th ranked pass blocking o-line (ours is now ranked 28th) and he has Gronk, Edelman
Rodger o-line ranked 19th in pass blocking and has Nelson, Cobb to throw to
Brees o-line ranked 5th and he has Graham, cooks, Colson,
Ryan 7th pass blocking o-line and he has Hester, Jones, White, Smith
Rivers 9th o-line, and he has gates, Floyd, Royal, Allen

Our oline is ranked 27th, and as much as I love ADB, he is not a #1 and every other QBH listed above has someone better. Imagine Rw with the Indy oline and WR corps, or with Manning's group, etc etc.

[Anthony]

He put the ball on the ground twice yesterday, losing it once, plus he threw a pass into heavy traffic that got picked off. He threw a forward pass that was nearly a fumble. His QBR yesterday was 64.7, quite a bit less than his career 100.1. Our passing offense is now dead last in the league, and as the quarterback, we have to assign at least some of that to him.

Obviously that's not all on him, maybe not even half of it is on him, but it is somewhat less than what we've come to expect of RW. And your exactly right about the lack of support, particularly w/o Miller and Unger.

Ahh is QB rating was over 77, his QBR was 64.7 and he has no he has never had a 100 QBR only a 100 QB rating. As to the other things lets also remember the 3+ drops, and the constant pressure, hits, and hurries he had. They were just talking about this on NFL network and about how they do not think he can stay healthy because of all the hits due to bad protection and WR not getting open. I would not even put 25% on him. AS to not what we expect from him, really lets look at that

Last year threw 7 games he had 3 games with QB rating under 80, this year only 2. Hmm
He is on pace for more yards, more tds, less ints, higher complt% than last year, and about the same Qb rating.


As to our passing offenseyes by yards we are last however we are also last in attempts so that would make sense we are last in yards, we are also 17th in tds, by ints we are 4th, by rating we are 8th, by td/int we are top 5, by complt% we are 11th. Add to that we are 4th in rushing yards and guess what Rw has over 360 of those yards or 26% there is an issue when your QB has that many yards. Now why doe she have so many yards bad pass protection forcing him to run more, and just as an FYI we are 8th in tds with 7 and Rw has 3 of them.

Also as I already said Rw is doing it without a true #1 wr, and with the 27th ranked pass blocking oline, and with a supporting cast far less than what the other top QBs have. There is only one QB in the league that could do what Rw is doing and that is Aaron Rodgers.

[Anthony]

Heavy hot and high huh? A bit alliterative, but I get your point, and I absolutely disagree. The ball hit Marshawn right in the hands, both of them, and it came in hot cause it had to, in close in that much traffic you need some heat on the ball. The drop/INT was all Marshawn, not the throw.

In fact IMO the biggest difference between this year and last is our receivers not making the highlight reel catches we're used too. Very often in today's NFL the QB is expected to throw to an area the defender can't get the ball, whether it's right in the hands of the intended receiver or not, and give the receiver a chance to make the spectacular play or accept the incomplete on the play. Last year our receivers were making the circus catches, this year they are not.

Agreed the pass in between Sherman and ET is an example were are our WR making the play? more often than not they are not this year

[Hawktawk]

OK we can agree to disagree about the pass to Lynch. The last short pass I remember this much debate about was the Hasslebeck missile in the end zone on 4th down that Engram couldn't squeeze which ended the Hawks 2004 season. Was it Hass, was it Bobby? Fortunately the stakes weren't nearly as high yesterday and ultimately the play had nothing to do with the final outcome.


As for Lynch I ran across some disturbing footage from after the Redskins game. A reporter approached lynch and asked a question. Lynch swung his gym bag at the camera, nearly striking it and dropped a couple of F bombs on the reporter. There were a couple of Hawks employees trying to herd Lynch on the bus and they looked upset and embarrassed. Bottom line Lynch will always be the beast and a part of the good times here but he is coming a bit unhinged IMO and I hope we make it through the remainder of his time here without a major incident.

[c_hawkbob]

http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2014 ... fter-2014/

Most "disturbing" thing about that video is that he didn't connect. Reporter was looking for a reaction and he got one. I ain't holding this against Marshawn.

[savvyman]

http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2014/10/26/reports-seahawks-marshawn-lynch-upset-with-pete-carroll-not-expected-back-after-2014/

Most "disturbing" thing about that video is that he didn't connect. Reporter was looking for a reaction and he got one. I ain't holding this against Marshawn.

Agree 100%.

[monkey]

I just don't get RW is catching heat.

Me either but it's REALLY starting to tick me off.
People need to stop buying what the media is selling, it's made up BS!

[Distant Relative]

Man you guy's are to easy Guess I should have titled the thread 4 and 3 is a disaster. LMAO. I was sure someone would know me enough to pick up on this and know I wasn't really serious. Monkey..seems to have took it to heart the most. Sorry if I pissed you all off. I know Wilson is the Man and is playing behind a depleted O line at this point and is doing amazing at keeping the Hawks in the mix with the rumors and turmoil surrounding him. I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers and won't post like that again.

Like I said.... thought someone would have picked up on it.

Anyway...Go Hawks!!!!!!

[mykc14]

http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2014/10/26/reports-seahawks-marshawn-lynch-upset-with-pete-carroll-not-expected-back-after-2014/

Most "disturbing" thing about that video is that he didn't connect. Reporter was looking for a reaction and he got one. I ain't holding this against Marshawn.

LOL, thats the video that people have been discussing. Wow, first of all the fact that it is coming from TMZ sports clearly shows the 'reporters' intention. That would have been hilarious if he would have knocked that camera out of his hands. There is no way that something like that would upset the Hawks, they know he doesn't talk to the media and when a 'reporter' purposely asks a question to piss him off he is going to react that way. They know that is what you get with ML. Another non story, IMO.

[monkey]

They know that is what you get with ML. Another non story, IMO.

Exactly.

[rottweiler]

Not. Buying. It.

Strength in numbers.

Eff the media.

[Hawk Sista]

Rage against the machine!!!!

[RiverDog]

Ahh is QB rating was over 77, his QBR was 64.7 and he has no he has never had a 100 QBR only a 100 QB rating. As to the other things lets also remember the 3+ drops, and the constant pressure, hits, and hurries he had. They were just talking about this on NFL network and about how they do not think he can stay healthy because of all the hits due to bad protection and WR not getting open. I would not even put 25% on him. AS to not what we expect from him, really lets look at that

Last year threw 7 games he had 3 games with QB rating under 80, this year only 2. Hmm
He is on pace for more yards, more tds, less ints, higher complt% than last year, and about the same Qb rating.


As to our passing offenseyes by yards we are last however we are also last in attempts so that would make sense we are last in yards, we are also 17th in tds, by ints we are 4th, by rating we are 8th, by td/int we are top 5, by complt% we are 11th. Add to that we are 4th in rushing yards and guess what Rw has over 360 of those yards or 26% there is an issue when your QB has that many yards. Now why doe she have so many yards bad pass protection forcing him to run more, and just as an FYI we are 8th in tds with 7 and Rw has 3 of them.

Also as I already said Rw is doing it without a true #1 wr, and with the 27th ranked pass blocking oline, and with a supporting cast far less than what the other top QBs have. There is only one QB in the league that could do what Rw is doing and that is Aaron Rodgers.

I can understand a little passion in defending Russell, and spinning this or that stat or noting a lack of this or that type of player on our roster to justify the non production. No one on the team is worth defending more than Russell.

But you can't deny that he's been a little off at times this year. You can't have a dead last passing offense in a league that favors passing to the degree the NFL has and not have at least some of that responsibility fall on the quarterback. For example, he missed a wide, wide, open Helfet for an easy touchdown last Sunday. He usually makes those types of plays. Putting the ball on the ground twice has to be at least part his fault as well. Those blunders can't be laid on OL protection or on our pedestrian WR corps.

[monkey]

But you can't deny that he's been a little off at times this year. You can't have a dead last passing offense in a league that favors passing to the degree the NFL has and not have at least some of that responsibility fall on the quarterback.

That depends. How often do they throw the ball? Remember when the offense was trying to force feed Harvin the ball? What stats are you using to justify dead last passing offense? Yards? All examples of why you actually can have dead last passing game and it not be the QB's fault.

For example, he missed a wide, wide, open Helfet for an easy touchdown last Sunday. He usually makes those types of plays. Putting the ball on the ground twice has to be at least part his fault as well. Those blunders can't be laid on OL protection or on our pedestrian WR corps.

Sooo....you're saying that he makes mistakes?
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/10/27/andrew-luck-struggles-to-be-great/Funny how I was just reading this article about how Luck isn't great either.

Of course, I could make the same arguments for any QB I'd like, just by cherry picking plays that didn't work.

Russell Wilson is CARRYING this offense and has been most of the season...not sure what people want from him...perfection?
No he's not perfect, but then again, neither is Peyton Manning.

BTW, he didn't put the ball on the ground twice. Once, not twice.
You cannot put a ball on the ground that you never had in your hands, so yeah, I CAN blame the line, specifically the backup center, when it's completely his screw up.

[c_hawkbob]

Wilson has gotten better every year, this one being no exception. circumstances around him have remained less constant, and there is no such thing as a perfect player, but Russ in on the same course he ever was.

[monkey]

Wilson has gotten better every year, this one being no exception. circumstances around him have remained less constant, and there is no such thing as a perfect player, but Russ in on the same course he ever was.

Exactly.
So far, he has put up number BETTER than any of the other young QB's including Andrew Luck, BETTER than any young QB EVER in fact, including Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, John Elway, Ben Roethlisberger you name him.
In other words, he's provably the best young QB to ever play to this point in his career, and well on his way to the Hall Of Fame.

Seriously, we have a future HOF QB, and we're NITPICKING HIS PLAY?!?
The Seattle Seahawks, the team I've followed since I was a little kid, the team who seemingly never won ANYTHING of consequence ever, the team who was more known for being losers than anything else, just won a Super Bowl.
What's more, they have a future HOF QB! A real life future HOF QB!!!
And we're nitpicking his play...unreal.

[RiverDog]

[Sooo....you're saying that he makes mistakes?
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/10/27/andrew-luck-struggles-to-be-great/Funny how I was just reading this article about how Luck isn't great either.

Of course, I could make the same arguments for any QB I'd like, just by cherry picking plays that didn't work.

Russell Wilson is CARRYING this offense and has been most of the season...not sure what people want from him...perfection?
No he's not perfect, but then again, neither is Peyton Manning.

BTW, he didn't put the ball on the ground twice. Once, not twice.
You cannot put a ball on the ground that you never had in your hands, so yeah, I CAN blame the line, specifically the backup center, when it's completely his screw up.

It was a QB/center exchange. Hard to tell who was to blame, but I'm not going to automatically throw the backup under the bus as you have.

Secondly, I am not 'expecting' perfection. I am simply noting that he hasn't played as well. The reasons why he hasn't wasn't my point. As the quarterback and the leader of our team, he deserves to share in at least a fraction of the responsibility for our missed opportunities.

[HumanCockroach]

Good lord. Watch the play, the ball never even touches Wilson's hands and rolls back to his ankle. simply not "hard to tell" and they even highlighted it on the live feed with a closeup.Looking for stuff now.SMH.

[monkey]

It was a QB/center exchange. Hard to tell who was to blame, but I'm not going to automatically throw the backup under the bus as you have.

Secondly, I am not 'expecting' perfection. I am simply noting that he hasn't played as well.

It was REALLY easy to tell who screwed up, given the fact that our backup center's snap never even came off the ground. Just saying, there's no mystery there, it never even touched Wilson's hands. That's absolutely, beyond ANY doubt, 100% completely on the center.

He hasn't played as well when? One game? The game before he set an NFL record, and had quite possibly, the best game I've ever seen him have. He was the LAST reason person to blame for the Rams loss, yet people have tried to pin it on him.

Again, EVERY QB has off games, every single one of them. Yet he's the one that constantly seems to have all the criticism fired his way, and I for one am pretty fed up with it.

How about Lynch last game? He looked like he was running in mud most of the game, and only giving about 3/4 of his usual effort. Is that fair to say? I dunno, it's an observation I made, he clearly didn't look to be on his A game to me. Where's the criticism of Lynch? He was much better last year than he has been this year so far. Much, much better.

Until we have an offensive line that isn't the leagues worst at pass blocking, I am going to tend to temper, if not outright reject any and all criticism of Wilson.

What is it with Seahawks fans anyway? We get a superstar QB after YEARS of abject failure, and we spend most of our time debating whether or not he's good...it boggles the mind.
I don't hear Colts fans having these debates, and Wilson has been EVERY BIT as good if not better than Luck.

[mykc14]

It was a QB/center exchange. Hard to tell who was to blame, but I'm not going to automatically throw the backup under the bus as you have.

Secondly, I am not 'expecting' perfection. I am simply noting that he hasn't played as well. The reasons why he hasn't wasn't my point. As the quarterback and the leader of our team, he deserves to share in at least a fraction of the responsibility for our missed opportunities.

Not on this one Riv, it was CLEARLY the center's fault. The ball simply slipped out of his hand and hit Russ on the ankle, there was no way that Russ could have touched that one. Like other posters I have thought RW has played better this year than last. There is no doubt that he missed Heflet for a TD and that was all on RW and he owned up to it. He has had to do much more this year as Beast's number are down and not just the carries but his YPR are down as well. It is also pretty clear that losing Tate this year has hurt, at least for now, although I am hoping Richardson/Norwood can develop into reliable targets. He also hasn't had miller for half of the season.

[monkey]

There is no doubt that he missed Heflet for a TD and that was all on RW and he owned up to it.

Yep, he lost his grip on the ball and said he did, again no mystery, and he took the blame for that.

The HAND OFF exchange between he and Lynch that got fumbled, now THAT one could be debated as to who was to blame, if we really want to continue to look for faults with our superstar QB.

As for me, I will resist that temptation, and instead relish the fact that we have an elite, franchise QB, one of the very best in the league, who is young, intelligent, hard working, and going nowhere. Well, nowhere except (likely) back to at least one or more more Super Bowl(s), and then after retirement, Canton for his induction into the Hall of Fame.