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Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:44 amby Bird Droppings
The Seattle Times, and seattle pi.com, upset Richard Sherman when they published the address of the home he just bought.
Well, in their defense it is a matter of public record as it is now in King County tax records.
Remarkably, first comment at pro football talk, where about 75% of the responders are usually anti-Sherman on any item in which he is featured (and there have been far more than for any other NFL player over the past six months), was nearly unamimously pro-Sherman: that the media have no business publishing people's addresses what with all the crazies and thieves seeking fame and fortune any way they can get it lurking in our midst.
Since the pi.com, of which most of us on this site are former addicts, is owned by The Seattle Times, is Sherman correct in refusing further comments to local media?
Should he limit the ban to The Seattle Times (and pi.com)?
Should he sue them if his home is robbed on any given Sunday (or any other time)?
Is "the press free" to publish whatever it wishes ... (it certainly costs money, even many websites) ... and just what is "the press" these days (anyoldwebsitewilldo.com)?
I would be very unpleased, maybe even somewhat upset, if some medium published my address.
My first Scorpio revenge shot would probably be to try to distribute the addresses of the publisher and editor-in-chief and sports editor and reporter of that organization, who are probably, somewhere, in the public record.
But the basic question is: Did Richard Sherman do this to himself by his manipulation of the media to get his name out there, and, really, what can he do about it now?
What, sell the house and hope for the best next time by buying it under a corporate umbrella name?
Batter Up!
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Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:50 amby Hawktown
Well, it is public record and any crazy person could technically figure it out if they wanted. I do not think they should have publicized it though.
The coolest thing though is that he lives about 2 minutes from my house and has to drive my road to get to work. Maybe there will be a Sherman sighting some day!
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:05 amby c_hawkbob
It was a stupid and irresponsible bit of 'journalism', but I wouldn't sell the place over it ... maybe put up a concession stand and sell t-shirts or something.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:16 amby kalibane
I'm curious if they just pulled the info off the Auditor's site or if they just were able to take the fact that it was known to be the house previously owned by Jamal Crawford and that's how they got the information.
I guess it really doesn't matter one way or the other. Even if he didn't buy the property through a Trust and his name was on the title which anyone could pull off the Auditor's site it was just a tabloid move to actually publish his address. Talk about a less than graceful fall for the PI. This is what they are resorting to these days? It's just a matter of common decency as that information is not vital to any type of story they would be publishing.
Even if some busybody figured out his address and posted it on Twitter they are an individual that only so many people will even pay attention to, not a recognized local news outlet that thousands of people will treat as a factual source of information.
It's especially stupid for a local paper to piss off one of the city's favorite local athlete so I don't feel bad at all if he boycotts the Times and PI. They get what they get.
If Richard Sherman did the appropriate thing and tried to keep his name off the title for privacy sake and they figured it out based on the previous owner though it's even more distasteful.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:45 amby NorthHawk
With just about everything available with just a few clicks on the computer these days, sports figures and celebrities will be forced to obscure their private lives with things like a shell company owning and registering his residence.
It's a sad commentary that we won't leave people alone these days, but it's where we are as a society.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:21 pmby FolkCrusader
Other celebrity and sports figures that live in the area have been published in the past, but it seems most often when they are selling not buying. Pretty much any residence can be found with some careful snooping but I think it is out of the scope of a local news journal to publish it. I have no doubt there was a discussion at both places before his address was published and i would love to know how either editor justified it.
In the mean time Sherman knows he can not refuse to talk to any member of the media, but he can keep things cool if he wants to.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:56 pmby Futureite
He asked for the spotlight at every turn, and now he got it. Take the good with the bad Richard.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:05 pmby HumanCockroach
Sure, just have a lot of assault rifles and fire them whenever you want people to leave. Do it with class like those in Santa Clara.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:54 pmby Futureite
HumanCockroach wrote:Sure, just have a lot of assault rifles and fire them whenever you want people to leave. Do it with class like those in Santa Clara.
That did nothing to invalidate my point. The irony of a man begging for attention everyday and then throwing a fit because the media gave him too much is, interesting? I guess. You have to expect people are going to be all up in your business when you invite them to on a regular basis. I am actually on his side on this one, but he did ask for this.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:21 pmby RiverDog
Technically legal but shoddy, irresponsible journalism. As a rule, I don't agree with Richard Sherman or his antics, but he's dead right on this issue. Yea, it's a matter of public record, but why make some two bit punk/criminal's job any easier?
That's what's always disturbed me about the 4th Estate, that they are accountable to no one. A President or a Supreme Court justice can be impeached and senators and congressmen voted out of office, but what of the irresponsible journalists?
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:42 pmby Futureite
RiverDog wrote:Technically legal but shoddy, irresponsible journalism. As a rule, I don't agree with Richard Sherman or his antics, but he's dead right on this issue. Yea, it's a matter of public record, but why make some two bit punk/criminal's job any easier?
That's what's always disturbed me about the 4th Estate, that they are accountable to no one. A President or a Supreme Court justice can be impeached and senators and congressmen voted out of office, but what of the irresponsible journalists?
I think a lot of these athletes become victims of their own success. They use the media as a means to promote themselves (see Lebron's "decision) and build their "brand" (Vernon Davis). Then they turn around and complain that the media is not after real news. Of course they are not. The media is here to sensationalize, shock and give us our fix. If we didn't ask for this and the athletes stopped supplying it on a regular basis, we wouldn't have stories like this circulating. The PI only published Sherman's address because Richard Sherman created "Richard Sherman". As good as he is, they probably had no intention of digging up or posting Earl Thomas' address. Or did they post that too?
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:14 pmby savvyman
Both Newspapers should have easily anticipated the trouble they would be causing for Sherman by publishing the address of his new home.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:55 pmby HumanCockroach
Futureite wrote:HumanCockroach wrote:Sure, just have a lot of assault rifles and fire them whenever you want people to leave. Do it with class like those in Santa Clara.
That did nothing to invalidate my point. The irony of a man begging for attention everyday and then throwing a fit because the media gave him too much is, interesting? I guess. You have to expect people are going to be all up in your business when you invite them to on a regular basis. I am actually on his side on this one, but he did ask for this.
I suppose, then again, you were the guy in here defending Kap after the recent thing at the movie theatre right? ( personally I had no problem with how Kap handled it, because as I said at the time, these athletes DESERVE their privacy and a right to live like normal people). Just because you have a personal problem with Sherman which is well documented doesn't invalidate that point.
Pretending like guys like Kap, or Deion, or Bos or hundreds upon hundreds of former and current greats didn't clamor for the spotlight, and yet somehow didn't have to deal with this garbage, weren't, and now Sherman ( a player you have a personal problem with because he TALKS while absolving or defending far greater actions) should just like this because he had the audacity to do the SAME thing as all those other players, shows your bias pretty damn clear.
The guy DESERVES to be able to have a fricken home, not hounded by crazy fans, and UNLIKE you my opinion on that wouldn't change if it was a gun toting thug from Santa Clara, or a Seahawks player. They ALL deserve their privacy, every damn one of them.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:57 pmby monkey
c_hawkbob wrote:It was a stupid and irresponsible bit of 'journalism', but I wouldn't sell the place over it ... maybe put up a concession stand and sell t-shirts or something.
I've always thought that, the media doing things like this, was virtually identical to yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater.
The reason yelling fire in a crowded theater is an exception to our freedom of speech is that it puts people in danger.
The reason publishing the addresses of celebrities ought to be an exception to the freedom of the press, is the same exact reason.
It invites foolishness.
Besides, there is LITERALLY no newsworthiness in publishing his address. None whatsoever. The difference between telling you that Sherman bought a home in Seattle, vs. publishing the address of that home, is the difference between embedded war journalists telling you that their unit is planning an excursion into enemy territory, and them telling you the route they will be taking.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:50 pmby Futureite
HumanCockroach wrote:Futureite wrote:HumanCockroach wrote:Sure, just have a lot of assault rifles and fire them whenever you want people to leave. Do it with class like those in Santa Clara.
That did nothing to invalidate my point. The irony of a man begging for attention everyday and then throwing a fit because the media gave him too much is, interesting? I guess. You have to expect people are going to be all up in your business when you invite them to on a regular basis. I am actually on his side on this one, but he did ask for this.
I suppose, then again, you were the guy in here defending Kap after the recent thing at the movie theatre right? ( personally I had no problem with how Kap handled it, because as I said at the time, these athletes DESERVE their privacy and a right to live like normal people). Just because you have a personal problem with Sherman which is well documented doesn't invalidate that point.
Pretending like guys like Kap, or Deion, or Bos or hundreds upon hundreds of former and current greats didn't clamor for the spotlight, and yet somehow didn't have to deal with this garbage, weren't, and now Sherman ( a player you have a personal problem with because he TALKS while absolving or defending far greater actions) should just like this because he had the audacity to do the SAME thing as all those other players, shows your bias pretty damn clear.
The guy DESERVES to be able to have a fricken home, not hounded by crazy fans, and UNLIKE you my opinion on that wouldn't change if it was a gun toting thug from Santa Clara, or a Seahawks player. They ALL deserve their privacy, every damn one of them.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Kap is all over Twitter and he eats up the spotlight, so he has to expect thos sort of thing as well. Any player that seeks the limelight has to understand what he is opening himself up to. In regards to that specific incident, I only pointed out that no one knows what happened and SB Nation offered a different recount. He also did not call the woman out afterwards or the media in general for creating an issue for him. If he had, I'd offer the same opinion as I have on this issue.
Of course these guys deserve their privacy. However, they cannot expect it - especially for a guy like Sherman. I've cooled on criticizing him. He doesn't break the law and is probably a decent guy. But the guy sure does not take things that do not go his way with any sort of maturity. Yes, that was f'd up by the PI. But refusing to talk to them is silly and childish. You ask for this sort of thing dude. It's not right but when you actively try to make yourself a celebrity this sort of thing will happen.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:03 amby RiverDog
monkey wrote:Besides, there is LITERALLY no newsworthiness in publishing his address. None whatsoever. The difference between telling you that Sherman bought a home in Seattle, vs. publishing the address of that home, is the difference between embedded war journalists telling you that their unit is planning an excursion into enemy territory, and them telling you the route they will be taking.
I'm not so sure about the analogy. If I'm an army general, I don't want some journalist giving the enemy notice that my forces are planning an offensive against them. IMO future operations should be completely off limits to embedded reporters.
But your point is spot on. The 'news' is that Sherman bought a home in Seattle. His physical address is no more newsworthy than whether he wears boxers or briefs (a question once posed of a sitting POTUS).
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:06 amby HumanCockroach
LOL. A maturity lesson coming out of Santa Clara. LMAO
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:00 pmby Futureite
HumanCockroach wrote:LOL. A maturity lesson coming out of Santa Clara. LMAO
I live in El Dorado Hills
. And isn't the Hawks' facilities and practice based in Redmond or some other suberb? You musta had a field day when the Hawks played the Foxboro Patriots and the New Jersey Giants the past couple yrs!
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:57 pmby HumanCockroach
They play football in downtown Seattle( hence "Seattle" Seahawks). Where you pulled Redmond out of I have zero idea. Santa Clara is not a suburb of SanFrancisco.They practice in Renton,not sure what a practice facility has to do with the city they play in, but by all means, feel free to call them whatever you would like and I will continue to refer to the Santa Clara Niners as such.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:20 amby FolkCrusader
HumanCockroach wrote:They play football in downtown Seattle( hence "Seattle" Seahawks). Where you pulled Redmond out of I have zero idea. Santa Clara is not a suburb of SanFrancisco.They practice in Renton,not sure what a practice facility has to do with the city they play in, but by all means, feel free to call them whatever you would like and I will continue to refer to the Santa Clara Niners as such.
Before the Virginia Mason facility was built in Renton the Seahawk's Headquarters was in Redmond. At the same time they practiced at a facility located at Northwest University (then Northwest College) also in Redmond. Typically training camp was held in Cheney, WA in those days.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:44 amby Futureite
HumanCockroach wrote:They play football in downtown Seattle( hence "Seattle" Seahawks). Where you pulled Redmond out of I have zero idea. Santa Clara is not a suburb of SanFrancisco.They practice in Renton,not sure what a practice facility has to do with the city they play in, but by all means, feel free to call them whatever you would like and I will continue to refer to the Santa Clara Niners as such.
Oh, location is everything (apparently). Does this logic apply to the millions of fans who root for their teans from out of state, such as SeahawkBob from Tennessee or JSHawaii from Hawaii, or myself @ 100+ miles from San Francisco? Since we are being technical about location and naming rights and assigning some sort of value to it, let's discuss the issue in its entirety.
How about cities that have two franchises, such as Chicago with the Cubs and Whitesox? Which geographic area do they represent?
Do the Golden State Warriors represent all of CA, or just Oakland?
You really opened a can o'worms with this one
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Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:51 amby FolkCrusader
Futureite wrote:HumanCockroach wrote:They play football in downtown Seattle( hence "Seattle" Seahawks). Where you pulled Redmond out of I have zero idea. Santa Clara is not a suburb of SanFrancisco.They practice in Renton,not sure what a practice facility has to do with the city they play in, but by all means, feel free to call them whatever you would like and I will continue to refer to the Santa Clara Niners as such.
Oh, location is everything (apparently). Does this logic apply to the millions of fans who root for their teans from out of state, such as SeahawkBob from Tennessee or JSHawaii from Hawaii, or myself @ 100+ miles from San Francisco? Since we are being technical about location and naming rights and assigning some sort of value to it, let's discuss the issue in its entirety.
How about cities that have two franchises, such as Chicago with the Cubs and Whitesox? Which geographic area do they represent?
Do the Golden State Warriors represent all of CA, or just Oakland?
You really opened a can o'worms with this one
.
Get back on your meds Future. Do you not realize just how far you have fallen from the welcome antagonist you once were? What is your freaking point?
You sound just like CowboysP, inciting idiotic arguments in every page you write on. Either get back to who you were or hit the road imo.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:07 amby Futureite
FolkCrusader wrote:Futureite wrote:HumanCockroach wrote:They play football in downtown Seattle( hence "Seattle" Seahawks). Where you pulled Redmond out of I have zero idea. Santa Clara is not a suburb of SanFrancisco.They practice in Renton,not sure what a practice facility has to do with the city they play in, but by all means, feel free to call them whatever you would like and I will continue to refer to the Santa Clara Niners as such.
Oh, location is everything (apparently). Does this logic apply to the millions of fans who root for their teans from out of state, such as SeahawkBob from Tennessee or JSHawaii from Hawaii, or myself @ 100+ miles from San Francisco? Since we are being technical about location and naming rights and assigning some sort of value to it, let's discuss the issue in its entirety.
How about cities that have two franchises, such as Chicago with the Cubs and Whitesox? Which geographic area do they represent?
Do the Golden State Warriors represent all of CA, or just Oakland?
You really opened a can o'worms with this one
.
Get back on your meds Future. Do you not realize just how far you have fallen from the welcome antagonist you once were? What is your freaking point?
You sound just like CowboysP, inciting idiotic arguments in every page you write on. Either get back to who you were or hit the road imo.
Dude, I was obviously humoring him because that is all I can do with someone that picks riduculous subjects to argue. In fact, I almost posted "I am pulling your leg", but I thought people would get that.
I have posted very balanced opinions on your D, Marshawn Lynch and various other football related topics. Even posted on your O philosophy with outside speed, length of splits, etc. People respond to those posts maybe 15% of the time, but if I respond to a thread about the media or legal problems suddenly it's an issue? The only difference between now and prior is that we have more nonfootball related issues to discuss because both teams are better and receive a higher degree of the spotlight. If HC is going to continually incite with the "Santa Clara" reference, I see no problem with me responding 'occassionally' with my own brand of stupidity. I had no intention of debating freaking geograpby after that post.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:25 amby Hawktown
Futureite wrote:FolkCrusader""HumanCockroach wrote:They play football in downtown Seattle( hence "Seattle" Seahawks). Where you pulled Redmond out of I have zero idea. Santa Clara is not a suburb of SanFrancisco.They practice in Renton,not sure what a practice facility has to do with the city they play in, but by all means, feel free to call them whatever you would like and I will continue to refer to the Santa Clara Niners as such.[
Oh, location is everything (apparently). Does this logic apply to the millions of fans who root for their teans from out of state, such as SeahawkBob from Tennessee or JSHawaii from Hawaii, or myself @ 100+ miles from San Francisco? Since we are being technical about location and naming rights and assigning some sort of value to it, let's discuss the issue in its entirety.
How about cities that have two franchises, such as Chicago with the Cubs and Whitesox? Which geographic area do they represent?
Do the Golden State Warriors represent all of CA, or just Oakland?
You really opened a can o'worms with this one
Get back on your meds Future. Do you not realize just how far you have fallen from the welcome antagonist you once were? What is your freaking point?
You sound just like CowboysP, inciting idiotic arguments in every page you write on. Either get back to who you were or hit the road imo.
Dude, I was obviously humoring him because that is all I can do with someone that picks riduculous subjects to argue. In fact, I almost posted "I am pulling your leg", but I thought people would get that.
I have posted very balanced opinions on your D, Marshawn Lynch and various other football related topics. Even posted on your O philosophy with outside speed, length of splits, etc. People respond to those posts maybe 15% of the time, but if I respond to a thread about the media or legal problems suddenly it's an issue? The only difference between now and prior is that we have more nonfootball related issues to discuss because both teams are better and receive a higher degree of the spotlight. If HC is going to continually incite with the "Santa Clara" reference, I see no problem with me responding 'occassionally' with my own brand of stupidity.
I had no intention of debating freaking geograpby after that post.
Are you sure about that? And the rest of your post above is far beyond the truth of how you act around here. Balanced opinions my ars! more like jealousy and/or ignorance in the fact that you cant stand that that this is a HAWKS forum and you come in to argue stupid points about legitimate posts by other HAWKS FANS again in a hawks forum. Some peoples kid's i say. They will never understand or learn. BTW, HC has a great point in the geography that you are ignoring just in an effort to have something againsst him. not cool, just lame.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:00 amby HumanCockroach
Actually Folk, Northwest College is in Houghton, which is part of Kirkland I believe. This is kind of silly to argue, let Future call them the Renton Hawks if he wants, I will continue to call the Niners the Santa Clara Niners ( as that is indeed the city they play in) and let it be. It's a stupid point, and I could care less either way. I've been calling them that for quite some time, and I'll continue to do so. Future hasn't brought it up until now, and I truly do think he was "pulling my leg" even if it wasn't funny or smart or witty. Me calling them Santa Clara isn't either ( as I confess I just stolestyle it from KJR) so what's it matter?
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:32 amby FolkCrusader
HumanCockroach wrote:Actually Folk, Northwest College is in Houghton, which is part of Kirkland I believe.
You are absolutely right.
Re: Let's Address the Richard Sherman Address
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Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:45 pmby Futureite
HumanCockroach wrote:Actually Folk, Northwest College is in Houghton, which is part of Kirkland I believe. This is kind of silly to argue, let Future call them the Renton Hawks if he wants, I will continue to call the Niners the Santa Clara Niners ( as that is indeed the city they play in) and let it be. It's a stupid point, and I could care less either way. I've been calling them that for quite some time, and I'll continue to do so. Future hasn't brought it up until now, and I truly do think he was "pulling my leg" even if it wasn't funny or smart or witty. Me calling them Santa Clara isn't either ( as I confess I just stolestyle it from KJR) so what's it matter?
Thank you!
. We weren't having a real argument over geography. I can't really take issue with that name on a Hawk site. Was just kinda giving it back to you a little. It's July and we have little else to do. No harm, no foul.