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Can't help but rush to judgement. Yeah, great "leader". What a dbag
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Lots of links on PFT, but not much fact. Apparently he was at Ricardo Lockette's apartment.

I suspect the NFL media has their horse to ride until the draft.

The lesser but still a concern is what is he doing hanging out with a bunch of Niners????!!!

According to the girl alcohol and weed were involved and Kopper d##k got in bed with her after she was loaded. She has very little recall of what actually happened after that. Lockette what a dumbass. My 02 cents worth it will come to nothing they had a lot more hard evidence against Rapisburgher and he walked. HE DID GET SUSPENDED THOUGH!!!! Goody? Whats your thoughts on this douchbag?

Somehow I doubt we will be seeing any of these reports about RW. Maybe Future would like to come debate who's the better QB LMAO..

Lockette and he were buddies when he was with the 49ers so that's the connection.
This might mean we go WR early for sure if it looks like some type of discipline for Ricardo.

obiken wrote:The lesser but still a concern is what is he doing hanging out with a bunch of Niners????!!!

I don't know if you recall, but the year Lockette was with the 'niners the story was he became very close with Kaep.

Hawktawk wrote:According to the girl alcohol and weed were involved and Kopper d##k got in bed with her after she was loaded. She has very little recall of what actually happened after that. Lockette what a dumbass. My 02 cents worth it will come to nothing they had a lot more hard evidence against Rapisburgher and he walked. HE DID GET SUSPENDED THOUGH!!!! Goody? Whats your thoughts on this douchbag?

I think the reason the NFL came down as hard as it did on Big Ben was A) It was a huge story and they had to respond in some way and B) It was pretty obvious that he paid the girl off in order to avoid prosecution. The prosecutor made it painfully obvious that had the young woman agreed, he would have charged Rothlesburger with rape. I think that weighed very heavily on Goodell.

Here is some info from the incident report;

The incident report, a copy of which was obtained by CSN Bay Area, explains that an unidentified woman went to Lockette’s apartment in Miami. Kaepernick and Patton were there. She later “mixed some drinks for all of them and gave them shots.” She claims the men “told her that in order to drink the shots she had to ‘hit’ the bong which contained marijuana.”

The woman says she began to feel lightheaded and went to a bedroom to lay down. Kaepernick allegedly entered the room “and started kissing her.” He then began to undress her. Kaepernick said he’d be right back and left the bedroom. She waited naked in the bed, and Patton and Lockette opened the door and “peeked” inside. She says she told them to leave, they closed the door and left, and she remembers nothing after that.

The woman claims that she woke up in a hospital bed, and that she doesn’t recall how she got there or who took her there. She also said that she has had a sexual relationship in the past with Kaepernick.

While the report states that Kaepernick and the woman did not have sex before he left the room, the report doesn’t say whether evidence of intercourse was detected at the hospital. It’s also unclear whether the victim or police believe that she was drugged.

For now, the incident is described as “suspicious,” and the report indicates that the “investigation continues.”



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So basically this sounds like she woke up at the hospital and thus the hospital is obligated to report it and she may not be alleging anything at this point?

Also Ben had a history of recklessness and irresponsible behavior going back to U of Miami (OH). So that played a role in getting suspended.

kalibane wrote:So basically this sounds like she woke up at the hospital and thus the hospital is obligated to report it and she may not be alleging anything at this point?

Also Ben had a history of recklessness and irresponsible behavior going back to U of Miami (OH). So that played a role in getting suspended.

Yeah, unless there is a positive rape kit I don't see where anything illegal was done. If a rape kit is positive though, and she has no memory of consensual sex that could be very bad news for whomevers dna is on that kit. I suppose if a drug is found in her system that she did not recall taking something could come from that as well.

Good point on Ben.

Pot at Lockette's apt. might be an issue with the Commish.

Lockette will get in trouble, after all I mean that's more serious right? LOL. Absolutely amazes me that stories like this come out of SF every single off season, or post season or regular season and as of yet, I don't recall any players being suspended or even talked to by the league, yet somehow, someway there is ALWAYS some sort of late season suspension in Seattle... absolutely crazy. Not saying Kaepernik is "guilty" of anything, just that IMHO the things being done by "star" players in SF certainly ring more serious to me, than smoking a blunt from time to time, or even taking PED's. I mean DWI with illegal drugs scattered around a car? No problem. Stabbings and gunfire at parties? Sure, go right ahead. Bashing bottles ( which IS assault in the real world)? Go right ahead. Sexual assault? Sure why not. Hit and run of a byciclist? Why wouldn't you. Piss dirty? YOU'RE SUSPENDED.

SMFH the NFL is upside down. You want to "protect" the shield? Going after pot smokers and PED users isn't the best way to do it. These things endangered regular folks, the people that make the NFL go.

Meh.

Not much to see here.

Between having a previous relationship with Kaep and her admission that they didn't do anything that night, this is pretty much a non story.

As for Lockette, it's hardly a given that he'll have a roster spot under any circumstances, let alone what happened in Miami.

The issue for Kap is going to be the drugs. If he or anyone admits to doing Pot they are in trouble, and if they did tell her to take a hit, then it is also more trouble. Now given it is the Niners nothing will happen despite the facts. I am betting if he did a drug test he would fail, but I am also betting the NFl will either not do one, or wait long enough for it to be out of his system. Of course this might help them get to sign Kap for less then they thought.

Zorn76 wrote:Meh.

Not much to see here.

Between having a previous relationship with Kaep and her admission that they didn't do anything that night, this is pretty much a non story.

As for Lockette, it's hardly a given that he'll have a roster spot under any circumstances, let alone what happened in Miami.

Totally disagree. She said she didn't do anything...but then there was a period where she lacks memory and ends up in the hospital. That admission obviously doesn't apply to what may or may not have happened after her memory ends.

Not saying anyone is guilty--as FolkCrusader noted the rape kit results will determine that--but a previous relationship and an admission of her conscious memory aren't enough to make this a non-story. (But right now the lack of rape kit results ARE enough to make that part of the event a non-story, for now.)

For all we know she could have passed out so hard that they couldn't wake her up and they did the responsible thing in taking her to the hospital despite the possible repercussions of the drug involvement. Her being Kap's ex I wouldn't automatically assume the sexual assault (which could be the lesser evil anyway in the eyes of the league).

Um, not to nit pick here, but wouldn't the "responsible thing" have involved a touch more than dumping her unconscious at a hospital, and then bailing as fast as possible? I simply mean, that if a friend or acquaintance of mine blacked out to that point, I wouldn't be boogying as fast as possible, at the very least I would get some info from the docs and give any info they needed as well, with or without job considerations involved.

Maybe they did indeed hang around, though to me it seems like that wasn't the case if the lady had "no idea" how she got there, if they owned the situation, then the doctors I would imagine would be capable of "filling her in" on who dropped her off at the hospital and in what condition she was in when they did.

From a legal standpoint Kap is likely in the clear. He does share the same stigma as his favorite mediocre reciever I got the Crabs Tree now,investigation of sexual assault.

On a human level he is who I thought he was,an idiot and a douchebag, a thug so to speak.And he wants 20 mil per season.Good luck figuring this out Frisco.

Couldn't happen to a nicer franchise.

FolkCrusader wrote:
Yeah, unless there is a positive rape kit I don't see where anything illegal was done.

Pot possession is illegal in Florida.
And even if it weren't, it's certainly a violation of their contractual obligations as an NFL player.
Personally I hope the NFL "randomly" tests all three tomorrow.

Also, the fact that she woke up with no memory of how she got there, and no one there to tell her, MAN that smells fishy!!!
I tell you this, if my girlfriend had passed out, was unresponsive to the point I had to bring her to a hospital, I'd sure as hell hand around to make sure she was alright!
That's because I'm not a huge frickin douchebag.

Just hanging out with such douchebaggery should earn Lockette a ride on the Seahawk's "Flush-a-Whirl".........

The girl is okay right? Previous relationship. Previous sex, no way this is sexual assault according to what I read. Did she tell Kap no? I doubt it.

The part that that bothers me is RL's role.

After all what he has seen happen to Browner, Thurmond, et. al., with weed he still passes around a bong in his apartment? F'ing nuts!

I agree, he possibly just flushed his career with the hawks down the toilet If past PC actions are to be believed, he will not be on the team and we will go with someone else.
RL already has a ring. So I am sure he doesn't even give a damn. Right or wrong, he thinks he will get picked up by another team, and get paid high money to boot. RL thinks he is a WORLD CLASS BALLER!!!!!.

"The two did not have sex, she said in the report."
A Seahawk player was there and Kaepernick failed to score. I am seeing a trend.

BelizeHawk wrote:"The two did not have sex, she said in the report."
A Seahawk player was there and Kaepernick failed to score. I am seeing a trend.

LOL! Best line of the day!

Unless there's more to this story than is being reported, I don't see it as being a big deal.

Yeah, at best this was NOT a "championship off season" for Lockette.

I see so many things in this report that are just wrong.
They talked her into taking hits off the bong, (whether it was lased with a knockout drug or not is aside from the point here), Kaepernick got her into a room where he got her naked (because sex in your friends house, with your friends hanging around outside the door is SO COOL!!!), then, after Kaep got her naked, he left her there, and the other two morons peeked in her room while she was naked. She remembers telling them to leave (still apparently in her right mind) then passed out.
What's the saying about where there is smoke? I can't prove there is fire, but there sure is a lot of smoke!

Then from there she has no memory until she wakes up in a hospital...with no one from the party there to tell her what happened to her or how she got there.
So much for chivalry eh guys?

Here's a group of "men" that you want your sons to emulate, and daughters to date, am I right?

Whether or not something beyond what is in the report happened, they are all immature idiots who, AT BEST, have violated the NFL drug/substance abuse policy. That's the best case scenario...

LOL 390 pages discussing Kap and his decisions. Plenty rationalising it away, but not a "happy" Niner fan base as a whole. Guess I can understand that, I mean you are talking about handing a BIG chunk of change to the guy, AND the near future of the team, and this is how he acts....

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niner ... n/page389/

Glad, that is something I don't feel we have to worry about with ANY player on this team, Not Wilson, Not that oh so famous "thug" Sherman, not Thomas etc... In SF they have to make a call on Aldon,Crabtree and Kap, none of which has shown, "good judgement" in really any aspect of their personal lives.....

I think we all know this is not cool behavior... douchebag behavior would be accurate. It's the type of stuff you'd expect to see 20 year old college kids doing. I certainly wouldn't want my QB involved in anything like this, particularly at this age but I'm not going on a witch hunt just yet. This is very preliminary stuff. Unless she presses charges I can't go any further than recognizing it as complete douchbaggary... especially leaving her at the hospital like some scared little boys and disappearing.

It was already way past the point where comparing RW and Kaep's intangibles was an appropriate argument but this should even shut up people like Future, and that's assuming there was no sexual assault whatsoever.

monkey wrote:Yeah, at best this was NOT a "championship off season" for Lockette.

I see so many things in this report that are just wrong.
They talked her into taking hits off the bong, (whether it was lased with a knockout drug or not is aside from the point here), Kaepernick got her into a room where he got her naked (because sex in your friends house, with your friends hanging around outside the door is SO COOL!!!), then, after Kaep got her naked, he left her there, and the other two morons peeked in her room while she was naked. She remembers telling them to leave (still apparently in her right mind) then passed out.
What's the saying about where there is smoke? I can't prove there is fire, but there sure is a lot of smoke!

Then from there she has no memory until she wakes up in a hospital...with no one from the party there to tell her what happened to her or how she got there.
So much for chivalry eh guys?

Here's a group of "men" that you want your sons to emulate, and daughters to date, am I right?

Whether or not something beyond what is in the report happened, they are all immature idiots who, AT BEST, have violated the NFL drug/substance abuse policy. That's the best case scenario...

There is more to this story than meets the eye. Why would the girl cry sexual assault if she didn't get laid(or remember it) and they were in a previous relationship? I believe her that there was no sex, or she is lying about who she slept with, because she doesn't remember anything but she DOES remember Lokette and company peeping in on her.
You might get to sexual assault, but sounds to me as if she wanted Kap, he did not want her or got his jollies elsewhere that night, and she is pissed. Now she just wants her payday.
The only thing that has me up in arms about this story is the weed.

kalibane wrote:I think we all know this is not cool behavior... douchebag behavior would be accurate. It's the type of stuff you'd expect to see 20 year old college kids doing. I certainly wouldn't want my QB involved in anything like this, particularly at this age but I'm not going on a witch hunt just yet. This is very preliminary stuff. Unless she presses charges I can't go any further than recognizing it as complete douchbaggary... especially leaving her at the hospital like some scared little boys and disappearing.

It was already way past the point where comparing RW and Kaep's intangibles was an appropriate argument but this should even shut up people like Future, and that's assuming there was no sexual assault whatsoever.

Nah, it's at this point ( meaning when a Niner does something) that he pulls the ol' " it's just entertainment" angle. It's how he rolls.

kalibane wrote:Unless she presses charges I can't go any further than recognizing it as complete douchbaggary... especially leaving her at the hospital like some scared little boys and disappearing.

Yeah, I'm not saying anything about the legality of it all (except that the bong hits were in fact ILLEGAL) but aside from that, until she files charges, I'm not jumping into that discussion.

Having said that, there's nothing stopping me from pointing out the douchbaggary involved with this whole thing.
It just reinforces what I have felt about Kaepernick all along.
Dude's a giant turd.
He comes across (to me) a someone who's a smug, pompous, jackass who feels like he's entitled because he's a QB.
As far as I am concerned all three of these lack class, and character.
Their actions tell me that they have a LOT of serious growing up to do.
Just imagine the s*** storm that we'd be seeing right now if the woman had died!
She very well could have! Whatever caused her to black out, could just as easily have caused her to stop breathing, or choke to death on her vomit while passed out or etc...
If she presses charges this will go from, boys will be boys the way some are trying to spin this, to "Duck! It has hit the fan!"

They were careless, selfish and irresponsible with themselves, (their own careers) and with her life.
While that's not the unforgivable sin, it is something that they ought to own up to, but likely won't. Until/unless they do though, my opinion of their character is going to be pretty low.

Agree. It'd be different if these guys were 20-22 year olds with money for the first time in their lives (actually I guess Patton is). It would still be wrong but the immaturity would be expected. Kaep is headed into his fourth season and he's 26 years old.

Now he's single and famous and I as far as I'm concerned I get why he may be nailing hot chicks all over the place. I almost certainly would be too. I see nothing wrong with it in theory. But the dorm room atmosphere of their gathering, and expecially the whole just anonymously leaving her at the hospital is just really immature. It's like a scene out of a movie. You got the girl in that state you need to take responsibility for it.

Derek Jeter has been plowing countless women in the NY media frenzy for 20 years and he's never been caught up in something like this. It sounds kind of creepy to use this word relating to romance or sex but the difference is rumor has it that Jeter handles himself like a professional in all facets of his life... even his one night stands.

I don't see a great deal of difference in justifying the behavior of a 22 or 23 year old single male and that of a 26 year old single male.

I do agree in general that Kaep is a D-bag, and it's stories like this that make me thankful for who our quarterback and face of the franchise is and that our hated rival Niners are stuck with that turd. But I'd be a pretty bad hypocrite if I took some cheap shots at Kaepernick and pronounce what he did as immoral if all he did was what is stated in the article. If there's more to the story, and followed up with some physical evidence...they did examine the woman for possible rape but didn't disclose the results... then I might change my opinion.

Here is what happened:

The bong was more than what she could handle. She was drunk and now high. Since it was Kap's sqeeze he came into the room to hit it, but he couldn't since she was passed out.
He left then Lockette checked up on her.

This is the part where they did not act like responsible men, someone, probably their friend took her to the hospital, dropped her off and left her.

When she woke up she was in the hospital and realized that the playa had just been played.

Unlike other ladies in her position she did not lie, and say she was raped by Kap. But actually told the truth, but in a way to get back at Kap and what he did to her, of course.

The way she figures, sexual assault has got to be worth some money to Kap. She's trying to get the last laugh. Unfortunately in many jurisdictions just based on the facts that I have read, she doesn't stand a chance.


This is the "game" folks. I have seen it all too often. Up close and personal.

Whoever made up that line "Hell hath no wrath such as a woman scorned" was a genius!

And I too will change my story if more facts come out, but based on what I have read, it happened exactly as I wrote it.

RiverDog wrote:I don't see a great deal of difference in justifying the behavior of a 22 or 23 year old single male and that of a 26 year old single male.

There is a difference between understanding and justifying River. I understand. Maybe you're too far removed, but although I don't think I would have ever done something like this personally, I remember how dumb I was at 20-23. Still used to being in a world where I was only kind of grown up. College, is where you get most of the perks of being a grown up and very few of the responsibilities. I've witnessed and/or heard of stuff like this happen all the time on college campuses.

That doesn't mean that to do this at 22 is less wrong but it fits more in with the average level of maturity. Generally there is a big leap in the maturity of men in the mid to late 20's. And Kaep should be there by now especially given his role as a supposed leader of grown men. It basically speaks to his level of immaturity that he's still involving himself in these kind of settings.

HumanCockroach wrote:Um, not to nit pick here, but wouldn't the "responsible thing" have involved a touch more than dumping her unconscious at a hospital, and then bailing as fast as possible? I simply mean, that if a friend or acquaintance of mine blacked out to that point, I wouldn't be boogying as fast as possible, at the very least I would get some info from the docs and give any info they needed as well, with or without job considerations involved.

Maybe they did indeed hang around, though to me it seems like that wasn't the case if the lady had "no idea" how she got there, if they owned the situation, then the doctors I would imagine would be capable of "filling her in" on who dropped her off at the hospital and in what condition she was in when they did.

Oh come on roach, just because she couldn't remember how she got to the hospital doesn't mean she was anonymously 'dumped' there. You know better than that.

That story was based solely on the police report filed from the 'victim' interview:





No mention is made of her admittance to the hospital.

Until the medical report (usually 2-3 weeks) is released or charges are filed this report all the real information we have.

Good lord Bob, I am not the only one that saw an issue with this. The women doesn't know how she got there, are we to believe they hung around, but were just misplaced or something? Hell, no one even knows if they took her to the hospital, they certainly haven't been discussing it have they? Over a week later, and simply no statement or response to the whole thing by any of them. Dropping someone off and then bailing is about as close to being anonymous as you can get IMHO. I would assume that any investigation would include an interview of the staff and looking into who brought them in, but sure, my statement was over the top, I apologise for the word I chose.

It shows a lack of character if that report is accurate.
Maybe they were high and freaked out?

Kaep is (of course) denying everything. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10766878/colin-kaepernick-san-francisco-49ers-says-tmz-story-completely-wrong
On his Twitter he basically denies the sexual assault part - which I doubt was the case anyway.

Questions that still need to answered are:
1. who dropped her off at the hospital
2. why was she at the hospital?
3. are they going to be tested for the gaunge?

The biggest issue with this story is how Kaep lacks the maturity of a franchise qb -- and "the passion" to overcome his qb issues.

It is also hilarious reading SF fans reaction (per Eagle's link). Most are fed up with him, and some are admitting how much better off SEA is with RW.

Go Hawks!

HumanCockroach wrote:Good lord Bob, I am not the only one that saw an issue with this. The women doesn't know how she got there, are we to believe they hung around, but were just misplaced or something? Hell, no one even knows if they took her to the hospital, they certainly haven't been discussing it have they? Over a week later, and simply no statement or response to the whole thing by any of them. Dropping someone off and then bailing is about as close to being anonymous as you can get IMHO. I would assume that any investigation would include an interview of the staff and looking into who brought them in, but sure, my statement was over the top, I apologise for the word I chose.

I don't care if you're the "only one", you're the one that directed you derisiveness to me so you're the one I'm responding to. And again you're making assumptions, and all of them 'wort case' ... of course someone knows who took her to the hospital, it's just not information contained in that police report. Until more actual information is made public we don't know.

Besides, I'm not saying you're wrong; only that we don't know yet. There may well an issue (or several issues) with this story, certainly if she's not lying there is at least a drug issue. I have not said otherwise.

kalibane wrote:

RiverDog wrote:I don't see a great deal of difference in justifying the behavior of a 22 or 23 year old single male and that of a 26 year old single male.

There is a difference between understanding and justifying River. I understand. Maybe you're too far removed, but although I don't think I would have ever done something like this personally, I remember how dumb I was at 20-23. Still used to being in a world where I was only kind of grown up. College, is where you get most of the perks of being a grown up and very few of the responsibilities. I've witnessed and/or heard of stuff like this happen all the time on college campuses.

That doesn't mean that to do this at 22 is less wrong but it fits more in with the average level of maturity. Generally there is a big leap in the maturity of men in the mid to late 20's. And Kaep should be there by now especially given his role as a supposed leader of grown men. It basically speaks to his level of immaturity that he's still involving himself in these kind of settings.

Although I've never come close to actually raping a woman, I do recall times back in my 20's where I had adapted the philosophy that 'no' means 'yes' until she slaps your face or something. I'm sure you know the feeling and understand that there are women out there that like to tease or play hard to get. I've had women rub my crotch then refuse my proportional response. It's a fine line because when you start not taking 'no' for an answer, you're stepping close to the line. At some point, I moderated my philosophy, and things have changed since my heyday in the 70's and early 80's. I suppose had I grown up in the 2000's and 2010's instead of the 70's and 80's, I would have adjusted to the standards of the time. In that respect, I can have a certain amount of sympathy for Kaep, and while not knowing the full story of what actually happened, I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

However, I do agree with your last paragraph. Kaep isn't your average everyday Joe Blow 26 year old. Not only is he a leader of men, but he's now the "face of the franchise," and will soon be asking his fans to give him as much as $20M a season to be the person that their kids are supposed to look up to, so I would hold him to a much higher standard than my next door neighbor's 26 year old son. In that regard, I do think he's at fault to some degree or another. Like I said, he's a D-Bag.

Eaglehawk wrote:Here is what happened:

Translation: Here is what I imagine happened

Eaglehawk wrote:The bong was more than what she could handle. She was drunk and now high. Since it was Kap's sqeeze he came into the room to hit it, but he couldn't since she was passed out.
He left then Lockette checked up on her.

Wrong.
The report says, "the woman went to the bedroom to lie down, took off her jacket and jewelry, and was followed by Kaepernick, who began kissing her. He undressed her and left the room. They never had sex, she said. But before he returned, the woman told police, Patton and Lockette opened the door and “peeked” inside."

According to the report, you're not even close. Ignoring the wild speculation about how the bong hit affected her; She was still awake when Kaepernick left, he followed her in immediately, then got her undressed completely and left...your "this is what happened doesn't even begin to line up with what happened.

Eaglehawk wrote:This is the part where they did not act like responsible men, someone, probably their friend took her to the hospital, dropped her off and left her.

When she woke up she was in the hospital and realized that the playa had just been played.

Unlike other ladies in her position she did not lie, and say she was raped by Kap. But actually told the truth, but in a way to get back at Kap and what he did to her, of course.

The way she figures, sexual assault has got to be worth some money to Kap. She's trying to get the last laugh. Unfortunately in many jurisdictions just based on the facts that I have read, she doesn't stand a chance.


This is the "game" folks. I have seen it all too often. Up close and personal.

Whoever made up that line "Hell hath no wrath such as a woman scorned" was a genius!

And I too will change my story if more facts come out, but based on what I have read, it happened exactly as I wrote it.

WOW!!! That is one heckuva lot of speculation! The fact that you open with the line "here's what happened", and end with what I bolded, makes the wild speculation stand out ever so much more.
I think you need to either ditch your source material, or else try re-reading it...you weren't even CLOSE to what was in the report. Your actual details of events were in fact...wrong.