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PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:51 pmby RiverDog
I'm still trying to get my money's worth out of PFF, so hopefully you folks appreciate this. Here's how our players stack up against the rest of the league, along with a few other players of interest, as we enter Week 16:
QB: 40 players ranked. Geno Smith #16. Josh Allen is ranked #1, Russell is ranked #15. Interestingly, Jake Browning is ranked #14.
WR: 122 players ranked. DK Metcalf #22, Tyler Lockett #24, Jake Bobo #35, JSN #73. Tyreek Hill is ranked #1.
RB: 61 players ranked. Kenneth Walker T-#9, Zach Charbonnet #30. DeVon Achane is ranked #1, CMC #2, Derrick Henry #3.
TE: 71 players ranked. Will Dissly #16, Noah Fant #30, Colby Parkinson #36. George Kittle is ranked #1, Kelce #2.
Center: 39 players ranked. Evan Brown #32. Conner Williams of the Fins is ranked #1.
Guards: 77 players ranked. Damien Lewis #31, Phil Haynes #58, Anthony Bradford #65. Chris Lindstrom of the Dirty Birds is ranked #1.
Tackles: 83 players ranked. Charles Cross #27, Stone Forsythe #58, Jake Curhan #63. Penei Sewell of the Lions is ranked #1.
CB: 119 players ranked. Devon Witherspoon #5, Michael Jackson #12, Tre Brown #45, Riq Woolen #58. Jaylon Johnson of the Bears is ranked #1.
Safeties: 94 players ranked. Julian Love #17, Jamal Adams #81, Quandre Diggs #87. Antoine Winfield of the Bucs is ranked #1.
LB: 80 players ranked. Bobby Wagner #14, Jordyn Brooks #57. Fred Warner is ranked #1.
DT: 132 players ranked. Leonard Williams #28, Mario Williams #36, Jarron Reed #62, DreMont Jones #65. Dexter Lawrence of the Giants is ranked #1. Jalen Carter is ranked #6.
Edge: 111 players ranked. Boye Mafe #41, Uchenna Nwosu #48, Darrell Taylor #100. Myles Garrett is ranked #1, Bosa #2.
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:55 pmby c_hawkbob
Just so ya know, I appreciate these!
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:08 pmby RiverDog
c_hawkbob wrote:Just so ya know, I appreciate these!
Thanks! We really need a 'like' feature. Sometimes I get the feeling that I'm talking to myself.
And there's lots of other stuff in that website, too. If you guys ever want to see some of them, say like the full QB rankings or how a tackle ranks in run blocking, shoot me a PM or make a comment in the thread.
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:51 pmby Agent 86
c_hawkbob wrote:Just so ya know, I appreciate these!
Yeah Riv, I read these all the time as well, keep em coming.
Thanks!
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:04 pmby Old but Slow
Thanks for doing it Riv, much appreciated.
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:40 pmby RiverDog
In case anyone is interested, here's the full PFF QB rankings going into Week 16:
1. Josh Allen
2. Dak
3. Mahomes
4. Tua
5. Brock Purdy
6. Lamar Jackson
7. Kirk Cousins
8. Justin Herbert
9. Stafford
10. Jalen Hurts
11. Jared Goff
12. Trevor Lawrence
13. CJ Stroud
14. Jake Browning
15. Russell Wilson
16. Geno Smith
17. Joe Burrow
18. Jordan Love
19. Baker Mayfield
20. Derek Carr
21. Ryan Tannehill
22. Justin Fields
23. Kenny Pickett
24. Deshaun Watson
25. Joshua Dobbs
26. Jimmy G.
27. Sam Howell
28. Will Levis
29. Kyler Murray
30. Daniel Jones
31. Aidan O'Connell
32. The Stache
33. Danny DeVito
34. Zach Wilson
35. Tyson Bagent
36. Mac Jones
37. Bryce Young
38. Desmond Ridder
39. Bailey Zappe
40. Pajamas Walke
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:06 pmby RiverDog
One thing that really jumped out at me was the improvement of Julian Love's ranking amongst safeties. Going into Week 15, he was ranked #45. This week, he jumped all the way up to #17. That's quite an improvement, especially when you consider how far into the season we are.
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:57 amby c_hawkbob
*I wrote this reply yesterday around quitting time, didn't realize I hadn't sent it until this morning ...
Agree about the like button, I don't get much feedback over in the pick'em and survival thread either, but I know folks are keeping up on it due to the view count.
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:50 amby NorthHawk
Ugh. 40+ Million Dollars for Safeties ranked #81 and #87.
Really not getting our money's worth out of that position.
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:05 amby RiverDog
c_hawkbob wrote:*I wrote this reply yesterday around quitting time, didn't realize I hadn't sent it until this morning ...
Agree about the like button, I don't get much feedback over in the pick'em and survival thread either, but I know folks are keeping up on it due to the view count.
I very much appreciate your updates in the pick'em league thread. My daughter and son-in-law are also participating, so we have a bit of a contest within a contest going on.
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:07 amby RiverDog
NorthHawk wrote:Ugh. 40+ Million Dollars for Safeties ranked #81 and #87.
Really not getting our money's worth out of that position.
Yeah, it would be interesting if they would do a 'bang for the buck' ranking.
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:38 amby Old but Slow
There are multiples of variables in making the rankings. It is basically an opinion poll. That is not saying it makes no sense, but only that it should taken lightly, as change happens in this league very quickly. Who the Hell is Brock Purdy? For example.
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:03 amby RiverDog
Old but Slow wrote:There are multiples of variables in making the rankings. It is basically an opinion poll. That is not saying it makes no sense, but only that it should taken lightly, as change happens in this league very quickly. Who the Hell is Brock Purdy? For example.
You're right, there are a lot of variables that aren't, or can't, be taken into account in any ranking or grading. This isn't baseball where every player has a batting average or an ERA. It's a very difficult sport in which to quantify player performance.
But I think it a bit unfair to call it nothing more than an opinion poll. They have a ton of analysts looking at every player on every play in every game, and on many if not most occasions, their analysis aligns with the good ole eye test. A good example is Julian Love. We all saw what an outstanding game he had last Monday, and that's reflected in his dramatic increase in his ranking from the previous week. Geno is ranked as the #16 quarterback, or middle of the road as many of us have characterized him as being. Obviously, there are anomalies, but for the most part, they do as good of a job at a near impossible task as anyone can expect.
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Sun Dec 24, 2023 3:52 amby Old but Slow
Agreed.
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Sun Dec 24, 2023 8:39 amby NorthHawk
Does the site mention who the analysts are and their football background? If they were former coaches or scouts at a high level then they would probably have a good idea of what a player was supposed to do on each play for a grade, but if they are like most of us who played some football but not at the better College or above level then the analysis could be suspect.
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Sun Dec 24, 2023 8:54 amby c_hawkbob
NorthHawk wrote:Does the site mention who the analysts are and their football background? If they were former coaches or scouts at a high level then they would probably have a good idea of what a player was supposed to do on each play for a grade, but if they are like most of us who played some football but not at the better College or above level then the analysis could be suspect.
WHO IS DOING THE GRADING?
PFF employs over 600 full or part-time analysts, but less than 10% of analysts are trained to the level that they can grade plays. Only the top two to three percent of analysts are on the team of “senior analysts” in charge of finalizing each grade after review. Our graders have been training for months, and sometimes years, in order to learn, understand and show mastery of our process that includes our 300-page training manual and video playbook. We have analysts from all walks of life, including former players, coaches and scouts. We don’t care if you played.
Each grade is reviewed at least once, and usually multiple times, using every camera angle available, including All-22 coaches’ tape.
Re: PFF Player Rankings ahead of Week 16
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Sun Dec 24, 2023 10:18 amby RiverDog
NorthHawk wrote:Does the site mention who the analysts are and their football background? If they were former coaches or scouts at a high level then they would probably have a good idea of what a player was supposed to do on each play for a grade, but if they are like most of us who played some football but not at the better College or above level then the analysis could be suspect.
c_hawkbob wrote:WHO IS DOING THE GRADING?
PFF employs over 600 full or part-time analysts, but less than 10% of analysts are trained to the level that they can grade plays. Only the top two to three percent of analysts are on the team of “senior analysts” in charge of finalizing each grade after review. Our graders have been training for months, and sometimes years, in order to learn, understand and show mastery of our process that includes our 300-page training manual and video playbook. We have analysts from all walks of life, including former players, coaches and scouts. We don’t care if you played.
Each grade is reviewed at least once, and usually multiple times, using every camera angle available, including All-22 coaches’ tape.
Thanks, Cbob!