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Told y'all in preseason Poona looked good on the nose and out of place at DE, glad Pete finally figured it out.

Figured out how to c&p it:

Pete Carroll says Seahawks overused Poona Ford on the defensive line. He likes Ford over the center at nose tackle. They played him more outside as 3-technique and even 5-tech. "I think we wore him down."

Expect Ford back over the nose, among other changes to DL/run D in 2023

He's an unrestricted Free Agent so who knows if he's even going to be re-signed.
According to Spotrac, his Market Value is around $9M/year, but to your point he does better work inside.

I like Poona Ford the player. Lets be honest, though, he is not a fit in a traditional 3-4. If Pete sticks with the Bear fronts they showed toward the end of last year then Poona is good, but my gut feeling is he plays elsewhere in '23.

I hope by next season our D-line looks completely different with many of the older players getting beat out by the younger players. 30th ranked run defense means you aren't very good as a group. Better talent should win the competition against these guys.

govandals wrote:I like Poona Ford the player. Lets be honest, though, he is not a fit in a traditional 3-4. If Pete sticks with the Bear fronts they showed toward the end of last year then Poona is good, but my gut feeling is he plays elsewhere in '23.

I disagree, Puna has been out of place as a DE, he's not a 5 technique or even a 3 technique his best fit is on the Nose. Perfect for a 3-4.

c_hawkbob wrote:I disagree, Puna has been out of place as a DE, he's not a 5 technique or even a 3 technique his best fit is on the Nose. Perfect for a 3-4.

I don't think he is big enough to be a true nosetackle. How many 310 lb difference making nosetackles do you see in the NFL? His best fit is inside in a 4-3.

The 3/4 scheme and Hurrt were a disaster . We owe Kenny Norton an apology . Last year we lost giving up 13, 15, 19 at lambeau holding them to 3 points into the 4th quarter as Russell Scissorhand got shut out in his heroic return .

This year we lost scoring 23 twice , 24, 32 and 34.
Hurrt should be fired . They can’t tackle . It’s worse than the schematic or roster issues . Fundamentals . That’s coaching . Barton looked ok in the 4-3. But he isn’t able to function if he isn’t clean and he can’t shed a block to save his life . Fire Hurrt . Start there . Return to the 4-3 scheme .

It reflects the talent on this team over the past 5 years. The cupboards were almost bare and we've only started restocking this past year.

I’m beginning to agree . But we have nfl players missing tackles all game too . Can’t miss it unless the scheme and athlete are good enough to get in position to make it. We need players but we need better fundamentals too .

Hawktawk wrote:I’m beginning to agree . But we have nfl players missing tackles all game too . Can’t miss it unless the scheme and athlete are good enough to get in position to make it. We need players but we need better fundamentals too .

Players should already have the fundamentals when they are drafted. If they don't, then it's a scouting or player evaluation issue as those habits should be able to be identified at the previous level.

That's one of the reasons why I think, or at least used to think, that Pete was such a good defensive coach as it seemed like he had an eye for good fundamentals. He didn't have to teach Bobby Wagner how to tackle.

I been calling for D-line upgrades for years. They been drafting D-line, but missing on nearly every pick. The best they have drafted since Frank Clark is Taylor who only now seems to producing like a rotational player.

I hope they hit big on D-line this draft. We really need the upgrades.

Aseahawkfan wrote:I been calling for D-line upgrades for years. They been drafting D-line, but missing on nearly every pick. The best they have drafted since Frank Clark is Taylor who only now seems to producing like a rotational player.

I hope they hit big on D-line this draft. We really need the upgrades.

I will second this. DL drafting has not been a strength for PC/JS. It's hard to sit here and think that will change this draft, but I guess we can hope. It might be that we need to use FA to improve the DL and the draft elsewhere. Who knows, but whatever the answer is we NEED better play at DL!!

This draft is not very strong at defensive tackle. Carter is seemingly the best, but I would not take him in the top 10. A better approach would be to add a couple of high quality free agents. For the $32m some want to give Geno, the team would have the pick of a healthy group of DT vets that are free agents. There are choices that would be better than Carter will be for a couple of years.

With that done, drafting a QB or a player like Will Anderson becomes easier. For those who question the risk of the current crop of QBs, who would you suppose to put forward that has no risk? And for those who say we need to be all in on defense in this draft, it is easier to build a defense if the QB share of the budget is small.

Old but Slow wrote:This draft is not very strong at defensive tackle. Carter is seemingly the best, but I would not take him in the top 10. A better approach would be to add a couple of high quality free agents. For the $32m some want to give Geno, the team would have the pick of a healthy group of DT vets that are free agents. There are choices that would be better than Carter will be for a couple of years.

With that done, drafting a QB or a player like Will Anderson becomes easier. For those who question the risk of the current crop of QBs, who would you suppose to put forward that has no risk? And for those who say we need to be all in on defense in this draft, it is easier to build a defense if the QB share of the budget is small.

Will he have 30 TDs ? Lead the league with 70% completion? Set some single season team records ?
Incredible how dismissive this fan base is of what the guy did . These top guys might suck . Bad . If you don’t want to sign a Geno I start lock and draft O and D line , linebackers . Resign penny. We may rue the day we threw Geno away when he comes to town .

Aseahawkfan wrote:I been calling for D-line upgrades for years.

So has Pete Carroll. How many end of season press conferences in a row has PC said this? And it's still not fixed. They really need at least one difference making guy up front, the type opposing teams need to gameplan for.

Is Jalen Carter that guy? Possibly, but I'm leery of him at #5. All the talk of his lack of passion for the game is concerning. I think PCJS will pass as the McDowell fiasco is too fresh in their minds.

After last year's draft I definitely have a renewed sense of optimism with Pete and John. Let's hope they get it right.

Aseahawkfan wrote:I been calling for D-line upgrades for years.

govandals wrote:So has Pete Carroll. How many end of season press conferences in a row has PC said this? And it's still not fixed. They really need at least one difference making guy up front, the type opposing teams need to gameplan for.

Is Jalen Carter that guy? Possibly, but I'm leery of him at #5. All the talk of his lack of passion for the game is concerning. I think PCJS will pass as the McDowell fiasco is too fresh in their minds.

After last year's draft I definitely have a renewed sense of optimism with Pete and John. Let's hope they get it right.

Yeah, over the years, we've gotten a lot of lip service out of Pete with regards to the defensive line. He recognizes the need but hasn't done anything to improve it. But like you, I have a renewed sense of optimism due to the way they handled our last draft.

I'm not sold on Jalen Carter. I've only seen a small snapshot, in the CFB playoffs, but he didn't look to me like he was one of these high motor type guys that could disrupt offenses. I don't think he's worthy of a top 5 pick.

Apparently he talked about getting into better shape prior to this past year so he can be on the field more, but he still had to get a lot of rest.
I don't know if it's a health thing or if he just didn't put in the work he talked about having to do but he was sucking swamp water early in the games during the year and College Playoffs.
That should be a big concern if either is the case.
It makes me wonder if he has so much natural talent and has always been larger than the other players that maybe he's never had to really work to get better and doesn't know what it takes.
I heard a coach once say that the ability to work hard is an unappreciated talent and some guys just can't do it. Maybe he's one of those types.

RiverDog wrote:
So has Pete Carroll. How many end of season press conferences in a row has PC said this? And it's still not fixed. They really need at least one difference making guy up front, the type opposing teams need to gameplan for.

Is Jalen Carter that guy? Possibly, but I'm leery of him at #5. All the talk of his lack of passion for the game is concerning. I think PCJS will pass as the McDowell fiasco is too fresh in their minds.

After last year's draft I definitely have a renewed sense of optimism with Pete and John. Let's hope they get it right.

Yeah, over the years, we've gotten a lot of lip service out of Pete with regards to the defensive line. He recognizes the need but hasn't done anything to improve it. But like you, I have a renewed sense of optimism due to the way they handled our last draft.

I'm not sold on Jalen Carter. I've only seen a small snapshot, in the CFB playoffs, but he didn't look to me like he was one of these high motor type guys that could disrupt offenses. I don't think he's worthy of a top 5 pick.[/quote]

I agree with this. There isn't an obvious Joey Bosa or Aaron Donald (although he wasn't a sure thing either as he was drafted 13th). It's tough Jalen Carter could turn into a difference maker but at this point I'd rather draft a QB who has been a hard-worker and you know he's not going to be a bust because he has character concerns or issues with laziness/conditioning. All of these guys are crap shoots and any player can be a bust so why pick a guy who already has key 'bust' Red Flags?

You got the quotes mixed up so let me see if I can straighten them out:

govandals wrote:So has Pete Carroll (been calling for a D-line upgrade for years). How many end of season press conferences in a row has PC said this? And it's still not fixed. They really need at least one difference making guy up front, the type opposing teams need to gameplan for.

Is Jalen Carter that guy? Possibly, but I'm leery of him at #5. All the talk of his lack of passion for the game is concerning. I think PCJS will pass as the McDowell fiasco is too fresh in their minds.

After last year's draft I definitely have a renewed sense of optimism with Pete and John. Let's hope they get it right.

RiverDog wrote:Yeah, over the years, we've gotten a lot of lip service out of Pete with regards to the defensive line. He recognizes the need but hasn't done anything to improve it. But like you, I have a renewed sense of optimism due to the way they handled our last draft.

I'm not sold on Jalen Carter. I've only seen a small snapshot, in the CFB playoffs, but he didn't look to me like he was one of these high motor type guys that could disrupt offenses. I don't think he's worthy of a top 5 pick.

mykc14 wrote:I agree with this. There isn't an obvious Joey Bosa or Aaron Donald (although he wasn't a sure thing either as he was drafted 13th). It's tough Jalen Carter could turn into a difference maker but at this point I'd rather draft a QB who has been a hard-worker and you know he's not going to be a bust because he has character concerns or issues with laziness/conditioning. All of these guys are crap shoots and any player can be a bust so why pick a guy who already has key 'bust' Red Flags?

The more I look at the top end of this year's draft, the more I'd like to see us trade out of that #5 overall and put a #1 draft pick in the bank.

I think we can get a good DL with our 2nd first round pick or in the 2nd and into the 3rd.
I’m pretty sure that someone after the first round will surprise the league and the rest of the teams fans will
wonder how he got missed. Let’s hope we are the beneficiaries of that player like we did with Lucas.

RiverDog wrote:
The more I look at the top end of this year's draft, the more I'd like to see us trade out of that #5 overall and put a #1 draft pick in the bank.

Obviously it depends on the return, but there are very few situations in which I would trade out of the top 5. It seems like, with all of our needs, the opportunity to add one of the best players at their position in the draft is too much to pass up. All of the top 4 QB's are highly rated as are the top two defenders. You are guaranteed to add one of them. Unless our FO doesn't like some of the top 4 QB's or the top two defensive players then I stay put. I don't like some of Carter's Red Flags, but his talent is undeniable I would take him if he's there at 5 and you don't like the QB's available. Take the Blue Chip talent while you can unless you are blown away with an offer- although I really don't think there is anybody that is going to be willing to offer something amazing for this pick.

RiverDog wrote:
The more I look at the top end of this year's draft, the more I'd like to see us trade out of that #5 overall and put a #1 draft pick in the bank.

mykc14 wrote:Obviously it depends on the return, but there are very few situations in which I would trade out of the top 5. It seems like, with all of our needs, the opportunity to add one of the best players at their position in the draft is too much to pass up. All of the top 4 QB's are highly rated as are the top two defenders. You are guaranteed to add one of them. Unless our FO doesn't like some of the top 4 QB's or the top two defensive players then I stay put. I don't like some of Carter's Red Flags, but his talent is undeniable I would take him if he's there at 5 and you don't like the QB's available. Take the Blue Chip talent while you can unless you are blown away with an offer- although I really don't think there is anybody that is going to be willing to offer something amazing for this pick.

You said it in your first 6 words. The Niners traded an extra 2 first round picks and a 3rd rounder just to move up 9 spots so they could draft Trey Lance. If we get an offer anywhere near that kind of a deal, say move down from #5 overall to #14 and get a 1st and a 2nd in 2024, I'm jumping on it like a chicken on a June bug.