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Call more penalties than any other crew in the league at 15.1 per contest!!!!!!. They are #5 in the league in calling holding. Might mean nothing. Last week we got some breaks and I later learned the crew chief from last game is from Lake Tapps which probably meant nothing but If I was a Rams fan it would look pretty suspicious. Maybe a Detroit fan would feel the same. The officiating made the news for sure.

As a fan I dont understand why a flag happy crew like this is in the postseason at all.

But I read some interesting stats in this same article. SF has only drawn 9 holds by opposing linemen all year which I found amazing. They have committed 23 holds, among league leaders. Not sure our numbers but I bet we've drawn less than 9 holds as well but we arent that front 7.

Just something to watch.

Come on man, the weather, the Refs, the time zone, etc, etc, etc! The niners are going to win because they are a way better team, and are stacked on both sides of the ball. The Niners are proving that you may need a Great QB to win a title, but not to win. The only thing up for grabs is the score. I think the Hawks cover, but the 9ers win by 7.

Hawktawk wrote:Call more penalties than any other crew in the league at 15.1 per contest!!!!!!. They are #5 in the league in calling holding. Might mean nothing. Last week we got some breaks and I later learned the crew chief from last game is from Lake Tapps which probably meant nothing but If I was a Rams fan it would look pretty suspicious. Maybe a Detroit fan would feel the same. The officiating made the news for sure.

As a fan I dont understand why a flag happy crew like this is in the postseason at all.

But I read some interesting stats in this same article. SF has only drawn 9 holds by opposing linemen all year which I found amazing. They have committed 23 holds, among league leaders. Not sure our numbers but I bet we've drawn less than 9 holds as well but we arent that front 7.

Just something to watch.

So bad officiating is defined by the number of penalties they call? Are good/bad cops defined by the number of tickets they hand out or arrests they make? Are good/bad teachers defined by the number of "A's" they give?

I tell you what: Let's find out what each official's zodiac sign is and we'll check their horoscopes for tomorrow. Just something to watch.

obiken wrote:Come on man, the weather, the Refs, the time zone, etc, etc, etc! The niners are going to win because they are a way better team, and are stacked on both sides of the ball. The Niners are proving that you may need a Great QB to win a title, but not to win. The only thing up for grabs is the score. I think the Hawks cover, but the 9ers win by 7.

As I’ve said if you all want to kiss Roger Goodells rear end when we get hosed in Munich have at it . It was bullshett

As for these refs it was just a god damn FYI. # 1 in flags , an average of 7.5 per team per contest . And if the comedian river is reading this YES if you throw that many flags in an Nfl game for 17 weeks straight you are like the d@ck head small town cop that pulls over everyone . Bad .

And as I said” it might mean nothing “ I was very surprised by the lack of controversy last weekend . If anyone got a break it was Seattle . Let’s see . We will all see what we see . Hopefully decided on the field . I can live with getting beat fair and square or beat by weather when it’s unavoidable .

If they pull a 2019 NFC title game type stunt like they did to the saints to stop us it’s been nice chatting with you all.

Hawktawk wrote:As for these refs it was just a god damn FYI. # 1 in flags , an average of 7.5 per team per contest .

You phrased it as a little more than just a "god damn FYI". Here's what you said that drew my response and analogies to cops and teachers:

As a fan I dont understand why a flag happy crew like this is in the postseason at all.

You seem to be questioning this crew's competency based solely on the number of flags they throw and nothing else.

Hawktawk wrote:As for these refs it was just a god damn FYI. # 1 in flags , an average of 7.5 per team per contest .

You phrased it as a little more than just a "god damn FYI". Here's what you said that drew my response and analogies to cops and teachers:

As a fan I dont understand why a flag happy crew like this is in the postseason at all.

You seem to be questioning this crew's competency based solely on the number of flags they throw and nothing else.[/quote]



As a fan of the NFL I think 15 flags as an average is ridiculous . In a league where you can call certain penalties like holding every play , probably pi too they are flagging everything that moves a pinkie . Too much . Ticky tack .

But whatever if you like watching refs throw flags for 60 minutes and totally F up a game that’s up to you . Not me.

So here’s the deal flag happy crew . Same strike zone for both teams and by god you better not miss an obvious foul because you see everything obviously.

Officiating in the league is an inconsistent mess . Rife with potential for malfeasance like XL.

LOL If you can't do the time, don't do the crime!!

What a concept!

I guess its hard when you have "Pete the Cheat" as your coach

Good Day

Rambo2014 wrote:LOL If you can't do the time, don't do the crime!!

What a concept!

I guess its hard when you have "Pete the Cheat" as your coach

Good Day

Nice year you had there rambutt . At least we are in a position to find out about weather and officials etc . You’re trolling a hawks forum . Sad life

FYI

NFL officiating under scrutiny after Seahawks-Rams controversy
7:36 PM PT
Adam Schefter
ESPN Senior Writer

After multiple controversial officiating decisions in Sunday's playoff-shaping game between the Los Angeles Rams and Seattle Seahawks, multiple executives and coaches said the NFL needs to reevaluate how it chooses and trains its officiating staff for future seasons.

Those same executives and coaches said game officials and the league missed multiple calls that helped key the Seahawks' overtime victory over the Rams that sent Seattle to Saturday's wild-card round and prevented the Detroit Lions from reaching the playoffs.

Even the NFL's competition committee is aware of what one source described to ESPN "as the worst officiated game of the year."

Wow, Ramblow actually posted something relevant. Here's an article that talks about the controversy:

https://sports.yahoo.com/shoddy-officia ... 11430.html

Some calls go against us and some go for us.
It all balances out in the end. It's been this way in sports forever.
Until they put a Referee in the skybox it will continue to be so.

NorthHawk wrote:Some calls go against us and some go for us.
It all balances out in the end. It's been this way in sports forever.
Until they put a Referee in the skybox it will continue to be so.

The "eye in the sky" isn't the catch all solution. Unless you want to stop the game after every play for 30 seconds to 4 minutes while an "eye in the sky" completes its review, there's always going to be bad calls/no calls. How many times have we heard it said that you could call holding on every play?

That was one of the reasons why the first attempt at replay review failed, because the game was getting needlessly delayed for reviews lasting sometimes as long as 3-4 minutes only to have a referee go over the PA and say "After further review, the play stands as called".

You mean we benefitted from the officiating and the Rams lost because the officials helped Seattle? I can't believe it.

The "eye in the sky" isn't the catch all solution. Unless you want to stop the game after every play for 30 seconds to 4 minutes while an "eye in the sky" completes its review, there's always going to be bad calls/no calls. How many times have we heard it said that you could call holding on every play?

That was one of the reasons why the first attempt at replay review failed, because the game was getting needlessly delayed for reviews lasting sometimes as long as 3-4 minutes only to have a referee go over the PA and say "After further review, the play stands as called".

Eye in the sky:
" The contact was made by the defender being pushed into the kicker. Pick up the flag".
How long is that? 10 Seconds? No review needed - everyone could see it.

NorthHawk wrote:Eye in the sky:
" The contact was made by the defender being pushed into the kicker. Pick up the flag".
How long is that? 10 Seconds? No review needed - everyone could see it.

The obvious ones, like the running into the punter or the Rams-Saints PI no call, I can agree with. But there are other reviews that could take minutes when looking at the play from multiple angles and at different speeds.

How long did it take them to review the play in our game with the Raiders this season when it was ruled that a pass to Metcalf was incomplete? It had to have been at least 3 minutes. I was at the game, and the crowd was booing their heads off.

RiverDog wrote:Wow, Ramblow actually posted something relevant. Here's an article that talks about the controversy:

https://sports.yahoo.com/shoddy-officia ... 11430.html

The deliberate overturn of DKs catch in New York when 2 guys on the field said catch took 4:13. I hate New York most of all .
I rest my case .
I see a number of things with officials . Incompetence is one . That’s what Seattle Rams looked like along with some other games . Not malicious bias .

My worst game by officials was Commanders giants . Only 2 plays at the very end . First a line judge tricking a player into a formation penalty when the guy clearly looks at him for guidance on his alignment , ref looks right at him on camera , gestures . Receiver turned to look at the snap and ref put his hand on the flag the second he turned his head on a 1 yard TD plunge 50 feet away . There were some calls for that guy to be suspended. Then 2 plays later their DB wraps up a guy in the end zone a good second before the ball gets there . Those 2 decisions on call and no call put the Giants in and out the Commanders out .

That looked deliberate , like XL or saints rams 2019 ( so stuff it ramblo
You got to go score 3 points in the worst super bowl ever played .
Those Seattle refs ? The roughing the punters a bad call , late with Dixon on the ground and hit from behind but the guy put himself in a position to get called . I see how a bad ref could miss it or a dirty ref call it . That’s the problem

Diggs sure it’s a penalty with the stupid rule but very quick . I didn’t even notice in real time . Geno roughing ? It’s a weird play all around . Geno is a couple yards out of bounds but makes no attempt to avoid Ramsey who sets a screen best I could describe it .

Geno has got a couple he didn’t probably deserve but he has gotten laid out without a call too. I said it before this story was shared if anyone got a break last week it was us and if I was LA or Detroit I wouldn’t be happy . NFL officials are by far the worst officials in any pro sport . And when you can blow calls , blow games with no remedy or accountability it’s rife for abuse by gamblers , organized crime etc . And as I pointed out the guy running our crew was from lake tapps . Did he not want to face his neighbors if he ended out season . La guys Fd the saints . Back judge in XL was from Pittsburgh and Tagliabue was in Dan Rooneys luxury suite . And now there’s a report there was a gambling ref “ major official “ in that game .

It’s called so fast and loose it’s wide open . NFL officiating is a hot mess but Goodell likes it that way .

Hawktawk wrote:The deliberate overturn of DKs catch in New York when 2 guys on the field said catch took 4:13. I hate New York most of all .
I rest my case.

That one I agree completely with you on, and it's why I say that the "eye in the sky" is not the ultimate solution. And I'm sure it's not the only example. The league has a rule that states that all reviews must be completed within 1 minute. If it wasn't obvious after 1 minute of intense review, then it's not obvious enough to overturn. I can understand taking a little extra time to see where to spot the ball or how much time to put back on the clock, but neither of those were factors in this case. I don't know why in the heck Pete didn't query the league office about that one.

You and I watch all Seahawk games in their entirety, but on a weekend without byes there's 15 other games going on. We might watch 3 or even 4 of them, but the vast majority, about 75%, we don't see except for the highlights. We are not in a position to say that one or another team is the victim of a bias.

The obvious ones, like the running into the punter or the Rams-Saints PI no call, I can agree with. But there are other reviews that could take minutes when looking at the play from multiple angles and at different speeds.

How long did it take them to review the play in our game with the Raiders this season when it was ruled that a pass to Metcalf was incomplete? It had to have been at least 3 minutes. I was at the game, and the crowd was booing their heads off.

They are already doing that now, but this is about making sure the right calls are made and the obvious ones are
the calls that cause the most controversy and can impact the game as much as those that aren’t obvious.

NorthHawk wrote:They are already doing that now, but this is about making sure the right calls are made and the obvious ones are
the calls that cause the most controversy and can impact the game as much as those that aren’t obvious.

I agree, but that's not the standard that some of our forum participants are insisting on.

Here's an article from PFT about the Refereeing and some schmucks thoughts from a guy who's played in the league for 20+ years:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... prolonged/