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Meaning Detroit will take the field knowing if they have a shot or not . If Seattle wins they are playing for pride or to knock out the pack rather than stay in the game . More league bs but when you blew 5 winnable games can’t whine . Although the pack did too and got flexd . I like Dan Campbell and his team and if there’s a coach who can get his guys up out of pride he can .

I thought the Pack was out of it, but they crawl back in.

I don't give Detroit much of a chance. A dome team playing in Green Bay in January don't fare too well. But be nice to see Detroit pull off an upset, but I doubt it.

We got to take care of business with the Rams with Mayfield auditioning for his next team or to stay in L.A. Rams got a lot of pride too and I'm sure they'd like to knock us out of the playoffs.

Aseahawkfan wrote:I thought the Pack was out of it, but they crawl back in.

I don't give Detroit much of a chance. A dome team playing in Green Bay in January don't fare too well. But be nice to see Detroit pull off an upset, but I doubt it.

We got to take care of business with the Rams with Mayfield auditioning for his next team or to stay in L.A. Rams got a lot of pride too and I'm sure they'd like to knock us out of the playoffs.

I dont see us not beating the Lambs, I dont see the Lions beating the Packers. You were right AF, 8-9 9-8.

The lions have an identical record to the Pack and scored 41 points last week, same as Green Bay. Their coach is a psycho who is loved by his team . They have defensive issues but they can score on anyone . Goff is getting a bit of a career revival . I’m sure they will be healthy underdogs but they might really surprise whether Seattle wins or not . We just gotta take care of business .

Hawktawk wrote:Meaning Detroit will take the field knowing if they have a shot or not . If Seattle wins they are playing for pride or to knock out the pack rather than stay in the game . More league bs but when you blew 5 winnable games can’t whine . Although the pack did too and got flexd . I like Dan Campbell and his team and if there’s a coach who can get his guys up out of pride he can .

I agree, they should have given us the same kickoff time as Packers-Lions, and it's something that should be addressed in the competition committee. There's other games they could have moved into the SNF time slot, such as Jags-Titans, that had playoff implications but weren't subject to the type of circumstances we are.

However, we are in no position to whine or complain about not making the playoffs if the Packers win no matter what the circumstances are. At 9-8, we don't deserve to be in the playoffs anyway. No sense crying because Lady Luck didn't shine on us and allowed us to back into the playoffs.

I never apologize for winning or making the playoffs . We’re no less worthy then the pack or Detroit . I don’t care if 9-8 gets you in . 9-7 got the giants a Lombardi a decade ago . We should have a couple more wins and it’s not all the Seahawks fault they didn’t .

obiken wrote:I dont see us not beating the Lambs, I dont see the Lions beating the Packers. You were right AF, 8-9 9-8.

I hope we beat the Lambs, but I know McVay. That guy is going to be looking to knock us off just due to being division rivals and nothing to lose but spit in our Wheaties. He can try trick plays, do whatever he wants to try to win. What does he care. If he loses, nothing changes. If he wins, he at least gets to look across and know they kept us out of the playoffs.

Hawktawk wrote:I never apologize for winning or making the playoffs . We’re no less worthy then the pack or Detroit . I don’t care if 9-8 gets you in . 9-7 got the giants a Lombardi a decade ago . We should have a couple more wins and it’s not all the Seahawks fault they didn’t .

No one's asking for an apology. All I'm saying is that at 9-8, we are in no position to complain if we don't get in. It would be like complaining because you didn't hit the lottery.

No disagreement . They blew several games any one of which would have been the difference .

A lot if not most fans are happy , think it was a good year considering . I’m pissed. Easy to see 10 plus wins with play here or there , a weird call , a bad decision by coach . It was very much attainable .
That said should Seattle slip in all three of these tail draggers including the pack and Detroit are considered extremely dangerous 7 seeds. If that mysterious good defense shows back up we can hang with anyone .

Gotta stay positive right ?

Hawktawk wrote:No disagreement . They blew several games any one of which would have been the difference .

A lot if not most fans are happy , think it was a good year considering . I’m pissed. Easy to see 10 plus wins with play here or there , a weird call , a bad decision by coach . It was very much attainable .
That said should Seattle slip in all three of these tail draggers including the pack and Detroit are considered extremely dangerous 7 seeds. If that mysterious good defense shows back up we can hang with anyone .

Gotta stay positive right ?

I agree, win or lose Sunday, it was a good year, at least when measured against expectations. We had a nice rookie class and the Russell Wilson trade has worked out extremely well, at least to this point.

But I'm still not comfortable with the direction of this franchise as it seems like we've been jogging in place for the past 7 years.

Done deal. Rodgers must be in the playoffs. NFC needs star power…….

curmudgeon wrote:Done deal. Rodgers must be in the playoffs. NFC needs star power…….

I’m concerned about that .

I have no doubt Campbell will have his team ready to go, whether it be for a playoff spot or to play spoiler. That being said, it's human nature to let down if you know you have no shot at the playoffs if the Seahawks win. It's odd that they would do it this way, but it is what it is I guess. Seems like the Titans/Jags was prime to be the last regular season game of the year for the division.

Agent 86 wrote:I have no doubt Campbell will have his team ready to go, whether it be for a playoff spot or to play spoiler. That being said, it's human nature to let down if you know you have no shot at the playoffs if the Seahawks win. It's odd that they would do it this way, but it is what it is I guess. Seems like the Titans/Jags was prime to be the last regular season game of the year for the division.

Even if they are eliminated, the Lions players have a very strong motivation to play hard and not mail it in. They'll be playing for their jobs, and no one wants to be seen on film as giving anything less than 100%. I'd be more concerned if they were playing a team that had already clinched a spot in the playoffs but with no chance of winning their division or HFA through the playoffs. That's when teams utilize the last week as a bye.

Nevertheless, it is a concern and need to be addressed. I'd rather they just schedule the last week just like they do all the other weeks, or more or less at random so there isn't this paranoia about conspiracies that we seem infected with.

It’s not paranoia .
For the record last weeks Seattle game was well officiated , almost let too much go .

But we’ve had 5 games like that in the second half of the season and we’re 5-0 winning by 10 plus each time and often more

. But I’m wary . The Commanders got hosed at the end of the giants game , sure looked intentional . Now the Giants are dancing . Rivera lost his mind returning to Wendz anyway which all helped us but I don’t care . Don’t want referees deciding games unless it’s absolutely necessary .

But I don’t trust these refs at all in this critical situation . Let’s see how our game gets called to begin with . My guess is the league would really love for SNF to be for all of it which means us losing at home .
Let’s see. If we play like we have at times we will lose straight up .

If good team shows up we’re 10 points better . As long as there’s no monkey business . I’ll keep a sharp eye .

I will add that Dan Campbell and the lions are uniquely equipped to play regardless of their postseason status at kickoff . They were dead and buried , worse then us or the Pack , shut out by New England . But in the last 2 months they were one of the hotter teams . They will come to play . See how the zebras handle that game as well . But if they let them play it’s no walkover for Green Bay imo .

Hawktawk wrote:For the record last weeks Seattle game was well officiated , almost let too much go.

Of course, it was well officiated. We won. It's only when we lose that our games are poorly officiated.

Hawktawk wrote:For the record last weeks Seattle game was well officiated , almost let too much go.

Of course, it was well officiated. We won. It's only when we lose that our games are poorly officiated. [/quote]
No . Weve both won and lost poorly officiated games in the past but not this year. In games with official weirdness we went ofer. Atlanta 2 critical calls down the stretch including a hold call on Lewis on the final drive far behind the play as penny had it on the 8 yard line. Saints was so bad for 60 minutes I about quit the sport. Tampa 2 pick ups of flags both against Tampa one on the wining TD to go along with the field and the 6:30 start time.
How you sat through that raiders game and come back and say its paranoia. That crew had a deliberate bias for the Raiders at the end of regualtion.
Won Rams but still a guy gets an interception when our guy possesses it on the ground.
Carolina pisses me off every tine i think about it, Geno had the one horrible throw to start. And they blew 2 offsides, not on. The first they called the foul but Fant was almost tackled on the free play 20 plus yards downfield on a drive we punted on. The no call on the offsides if they didnt see it they were the only guys that didnt. F th.em. that was really the game as we had all the momentum .
We lost the 9ers game and KC fair and square although that call on Blythe with the guy in the backfield after a god damn conference which took us from 3rd and 1 to 3rd and 11 and then sacked had quite an impact on that game. Inexcusable F up.
And then there was Sunday

I just can't see GB losing to Detroit. Several weeks ago, yes, but the Pack is on a roll and will be highly motivated. It will also be a home game for the Pack.

But Detroit is an up and coming team. If they can improve their D in the off season via the draft and FA, then they should be a playoff team next year. Actually, there are some real parallels in that sense with Hawks.

trents wrote:I just can't see GB losing to Detroit. Several weeks ago, yes, but the Pack is on a roll and will be highly motivated. It will also be a home game for the Pack.

But Detroit is an up and coming team. If they can improve their D in the off season via the draft and FA, then they should be a playoff team next year. Actually, there are some real parallels in that sense with Hawks.

Detroit started the season 1-6 and are 7-2 since . They are only listed as a 4.5 point dog at lambeau . Rams are 6.5 here . I’m as worried about our game as anything . It’s the type of game we have lost this year . Let’s see .

HFA isn't what it was for us, but we should win this game against the Rams.

Caught KJ Wright on Brock and Salk this AM. He was asked about this flexing of the Packers. He said hes not normally a conspiracy theorist but he thinks this is an obvious attempt by the league to give Arod and the packers every advantage possible . Said the obvious game to flex was Jax Titans wich is for the division.

He said Dan Campbell can say what he wants but if those guys step on the field knowing their season is over they are going to let up, protect their bodies for next year, not sell out their bodies to win.
He said in closing "WATCH HOW THESE GAMES ARE OFFICIATED TOO, BASIC STUFF LIKE HOLDING AND PI"
Might as well have been HT . I guess hes a kook too,

Too many collisions, I would expect.

NorthHawk wrote:Too many collisions, I would expect.

Oh you mean KJs brain damaged ? I think it’s any Seahawks fan that thinks the league doesn’t manipulate outcomes when it suits them that’s brain dead . A rube. Pretty bad when a 12 year vet can figure out stuff about this league and it’s refs fans can’t . Mystifying .
KJ is awesome on air . Really enjoy his comments .

Dont worry boys! By the time Lions and GB play you will all be packing your offseason bags after the Rams flatten you. LOL but funny to see Seabags rooting for jared

Have a real fine offseason

Rambo2014 wrote:Dont worry boys! By the time Lions and GB play you will all be packing your offseason bags after the Rams flatten you. LOL but funny to see Seabags rooting for jared

Have a real fine offseason

Really dude ? Lmfao . Rented a Lombardi and became the worst most irrelevant defending champs . With aging players and a beat up worn out Stafford who looked terrible before being hurt . Donald is wearing down . Ramseys ordinary now . Meanwhile we hit the mother lode in picks and players from this trade . We’re gonna wear your ass out for the next half decade .
Win or lose Sunday we had a far better year rambutt .

By the time Lions and GB play you will all be packing your offseason bags

Already got yours packed don'tcha? I know your team does, after the most epic fold of a Super Bowl winner ever ...

Rambo2014 wrote:Have a real fine offseason

We will. Good luck with your draft picks (#35, #67 - rest are 6th & 7th rounds).

Rambo2014 wrote:Have a real fine offseason

TriCitySam wrote:We will. Good luck with your draft picks (#35, #67 - rest are 6th & 7th rounds).

I generally don't respond to that clown, but I will have to say that this will be one of the more interesting offseasons for us. Do we resign Geno, and if so, to how big/long of a contract? And who do we take with that #3/#5 overall? Or do we trade it to some QB hungry team? Will Pete Carroll remain as coach or will he retire?

The Rams, on the other hand, pushed all their chips to the center of the table last season. They achieved their goal by winning a Lombardi, but it's time to pay the band for all their dancing.

There’s one to play and if we play well enough one to watch . But Ramblome is right if we are looking past them. Wagner is healthy and coming home . Mayfield is auditioning for his next gig, maybe with the Rams . They still have Ramsey and DK had his number game one but DK has been off lately . Lockett is beat up with a broken finger . Who knows if Lucas will play . If KJ is right maybe they just submit but that first game they ran every trick run play they had and we needed a last second drive from Geno to win starting Wofford . Mayfield is an idiot IMO but with a big gun . He’s streaky but if you punish him he’s terrible . I will not count the chickens till they hatch at all . It’s been too weird a year . Like KJ said they want the pack .

Hawktawk wrote:There’s one to play and if we play well enough one to watch . But Ramblome is right if we are looking past them. Wagner is healthy and coming home . Mayfield is auditioning for his next gig, maybe with the Rams . They still have Ramsey and DK had his number game one but DK has been off lately . Lockett is beat up with a broken finger . Who knows if Lucas will play . If KJ is right maybe they just submit but that first game they ran every trick run play they had and we needed a last second drive from Geno to win starting Wofford . Mayfield is an idiot IMO but with a big gun . He’s streaky but if you punish him he’s terrible . I will not count the chickens till they hatch at all . It’s been too weird a year . Like KJ said they want the pack .

I'm certainly not making any assumptions. I've picked us to win this game, but I'm not real confident. You're exactly right, the Rams are a dangerous opponent, as is any team that doesn't have anything to lose. Those guys will be playing for their jobs.

But that's not what I was responding to. My point was about Ramblow's comment regarding our offseason, and the fact that the Rams have shot their wad.

Oh you mean KJs brain damaged ? I think it’s any Seahawks fan that thinks the league doesn’t manipulate outcomes when it suits them that’s brain dead . A rube. Pretty bad when a 12 year vet can figure out stuff about this league and its refs fans can’t . Mystifying .

Why do you even watch, then if you think it’s fixed?
That’s what’s mystifying.

Absolutely . The Rams shot their future to win and were lucky to do so but there’s a bleak outlook . And it’s laughable how bad they are , how bad they were even with Stafford and Kupp . I rarely feel super confident but I did for 48. Went on air with David Heaverlo and predicted Seattle 41 Denver 23 . I was the only guy in the listening area that had Seattle over 40. On paper this one looks like a slam dunk but paper don’t play anything but Rock Paper Scissors .

Oh you mean KJs brain damaged ? I think it’s any Seahawks fan that thinks the league doesn’t manipulate outcomes when it suits them that’s brain dead . A rube. Pretty bad when a 12 year vet can figure out stuff about this league and its refs fans can’t . Mystifying .

Why do you even watch, then if you think it’s fixed?
That’s what’s mystifying.[/quote]


I’m 63 and started watching 50 years ago . I’m not sure my response going forward . I considered turning it off after the saints game .

I sat through super blow 40. Did you ? If so how do you trust this league ?

But I will be GOD DAMNED if I will be run off by this sleazebag goodell after 50 years .I may be the guy that really raises hell . I’ve heard reports they are looking at going to only full time officials . As long as goodell controls them it might not improve . But maybe it was in response to the report a bookie had identified a “ main official “ in XL was a former client .

I can watch for now and maybe be a voice for change but anyone who thinks this is being done remotely correct in this technological age is truly delusional . Rife for abuse by organized crime , league manipulation. You name it . A ref helping his childhood team . Someone who wants to win their fantasy league . Who knows . Stuff can’t be explained away with this officiating any more .

It’s rigged. But, sigh, so is everything…….

curmudgeon wrote:It’s rigged. But, sigh, so is everything…….

Good point . But it really is rigged . Occasionally . It’s somewhere between a sport and WWF these days .
Like KJ said keep an eye on the calls this weekend . I will be .

NorthHawk wrote:Why do you even watch, then if you think it’s fixed? That’s what’s mystifying.

That's what I don't get, either. I read your explanation, but I still don't get it.

I agree that the league, as a whole, the league would prefer that certain popular teams advance, say like the Dallas Cowboys, the team with the largest fan base and in a very large market... as if they've benefited from such bias with their performance in the postseason over the last three decades....as it would be good for TV ratings. But why would an owner of a small market team, say the Vikings or the Panthers, sit still for such 'steering' to a predetermined outcome?

And what's in it for the refs? Do they have a Swiss bank account that's receiving money for every game they influence?

But I guess it goes with the times and illustrates how an otherwise highly intelligent person can believe in things like stolen elections and fake moon landings despite a complete lack of evidence.

To be clear there is a difference between a sport being "fixed" like pro wrassling, where everything is scripted and even rehearsed and a league being willing to put their toe on a scale every once in a while to achieve a more desirable outcome. Like The Bus getting a Lombardy at the end of his career against that team from South Alaska.

c_hawkbob wrote:To be clear there is a difference between a sport being "fixed" like pro wrassling, where everything is scripted and even rehearsed and a league being willing to put their toe on a scale every once in a while to achieve a more desirable outcome. Like The Bus getting a Lombardy at the end of his career against that team from South Alaska.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!
Only XL was more about Dan Rooney , league patriarch and a man who had got both Pete Rosell and Paul Tagliabue their jobs . Tagliabue sat in Rooneys suite at ford field right beside him watching . Who knows maybe that was all the signal the officials needed . Maybe it was a Pittsburgh native back judge . Maybe it was this gambling official from the report in the Bay Area where a guy went on air to make these assertions knowing full well the legal clout of the league .

I wonder why players like KJ play knowing it’s occasionally rigged . Love of the game and financial reward ?

I watch out of love of the game too, my hawks . Going on 5 decades .
But the Seahawks fan who thinks the league is always on the up and up are the deluded ones . You won’t accept it’s fixed or you feel like you have to make the same false choice you want me to. Quit watching or bury your head in the sand . I might be the guy picketing in front of HQ. F#ck Goody .

But as long as so many are blissful rubes it won’t change . At some point I might bail . I hate the WWF. Never watch .

NorthHawk wrote:Why do you even watch, then if you think it’s fixed? That’s what’s mystifying.

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That's what I don't get, either. I read your explanation, but I still don't get it.

I agree that the league, as a whole, the league would prefer that certain popular teams advance, say like the Dallas Cowboys, the team with the largest fan base and in a very large market... as if they've benefited from such bias with their performance in the postseason over the last three decades....as it would be good for TV ratings. But why would an owner of a small market team, say the Vikings or the Panthers, sit still for such 'steering' to a predetermined outcome?

And what's in it for the refs? Do they have a Swiss bank account that's receiving money for every game they influence?

But I guess it goes with the times and illustrates how an otherwise highly intelligent person can believe in things like stolen elections and fake moon landings despite a complete lack of evidence.[/quote]

Ill say it one more time and then its getting nasty .THERE IS NOTHING OTHERWISE ABOUT MY INTELLIGENCE. Maybe you're describing yourself . Its not got a god damn thing to do with fake elections and fake moon landings. Stop the insults.

Its obvious and the reasons could be varied.Green Bay flex proved its biased . The NFC East contests are being held at the same time. But the Chargers will know if they have the chance to improve seeding before they play as well. Thats the league and unquestionably they were a huge factor in XL. There's 121 independent contractors plus whoever was in NY spending 4:13 looking for conclusive indisputable evidence to overturn DKs catch.
They are a cross section of society. Just like cops and judges and priests and everyone else. is there any one grop of 121 employees in any job who are all pure? and consider the reward in this billionaire driven league . The potential payday for doing it only once, points shaving or changing an outcome would be astronomical in the trillion dollar industry

XL buddy. Its an amazing presentation. And on my manipulation thread I shared the account of an odds maker who had as a client a then college ref who wound up reffing XL. The .Rooney family had gambling interests at the time as well. The ref reportedly operated through a straw man and remained off the better sheets so ya maybe a few guys do have a little action on the side. Its called so loose now and they don't even get in trouble for absolutely blowing a game anyway. The Commanders game was my tipping point. Obvious. There were calls around the league to suspend the line judge but of course he will probably be calling the pack or Hawks game instead.
You're the one who is putting earnest money on some swamp land in Florida my friend.Do me a favor and explain that false start against Blythe with the guy 5 feet in the neutral zone. Break it down. Why did a minute long conference help them decide a guy moved that never moved a muscle even when the guy came across. Explain it? Missed it?
Wake up