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[Hawktawk]

I didn’t like it on the schedule and still don’t . Hate it . Looked at the time the league sending their poster boy to Germany to represent the league and picking a full rebuild mode dog meat team from the west coast for a further disadvantage in time lag and travel time and guarantee his highness won’t be embarrassed .
But ru ro he’s embarrassing himself . So what’s gonna happen ?
On paper if we go off the last month it’s easy . They surrender 4.6 per rush . Nobody can deal with our offense , our trifecta , skill people . Geno is among league leaders in everything , leading in explosive TDs. Vs cover 2,3,4, all disguised coverages . For a comparison Russ was league worst vs cover 4 last year .
Our O is legit .
Our D went from worst to first . We’ve played 4 mobile athletic QBs in a row , now we get the whining baby statue cursing out his line with less than 20 sacks .
He’s gonna get punished . He’s gonna look bad .
34-13 hawks
UNLESS THEY DONT LET US.

I fear officiating in this game . Have since I saw it on the schedule .After being ready to turn it off after the Saints debacle we’ve been treated to a month of good officiating and it’s no coincidence it’s our longest win streak in 8 years .
If we get anything approaching the professional officiating we’ve had recently we’re gonna kick Brady right into retirement .

[RiverDog]

I didn’t like it on the schedule and still don’t . Hate it . Looked at the time the league sending their poster boy to Germany to represent the league and picking a full rebuild mode dog meat team from the west coast for a further disadvantage in time lag and travel time and guarantee his highness won’t be embarrassed .
But ru ro he’s embarrassing himself . So what’s gonna happen ?
On paper if we go off the last month it’s easy . They surrender 4.6 per rush . Nobody can deal with our offense , our trifecta , skill people . Geno is among league leaders in everything , leading in explosive TDs. Vs cover 2,3,4, all disguised coverages . For a comparison Russ was league worst vs cover 4 last year .
Our O is legit .
Our D went from worst to first . We’ve played 4 mobile athletic QBs in a row , now we get the whining baby statue cursing out his line with less than 20 sacks .
He’s gonna get punished . He’s gonna look bad .
34-13 hawks
UNLESS THEY DONT LET US.

I'm the complete opposite. I love the international series, and I would have been attending this game had I been able to get tickets, but there was so much interest in this game that it turned out to be more difficult to get tickets for this game than it was for the Super Bowl. I got online at the prescribed time and followed their protocol to get a spot in the queue, and my spot was #519,000. I thought it was a mistake, but I discovered later that there were 2.5 million people online trying to get tickets.

The European games gives the NFL an extra Sunday time slot. Sure, it's early here, but back east, the game starts at 9:30am, and, as witnessed by the time of this post, I'm an early riser anyway. It's one more game that I can watch live. I'm hoping that they expand it, give us more games in Germany, perhaps France and Italy.

The 17th regular season game that they added a few years back makes it possible for each team to play a game at a neutral site and not have to give up a home game, and the 17th game is always an interconference game, meaning that there would be a minimal effect on competitiveness. My hope is that they mandate each of the 16 teams that have a 9th home game to hold it at a neutral site, either internationally or here in the states. In addition to holding 2-3 games in England, there's other European cities with NFL-compliant stadiums that could be in the running, along with other areas around the world, like Japan and Australia, and there's 6-8 out of market US cities, like Birmingham, Salt Lake City, Oklahoma City, Eugene, Lincoln NE, etc.

I fear officiating in this game . Have since I saw it on the schedule .After being ready to turn it off after the Saints debacle we’ve been treated to a month of good officiating and it’s no coincidence it’s our longest win streak in 8 years .
If we get anything approaching the professional officiating we’ve had recently we’re gonna kick Brady right into retirement .

It sounds like your conspiratorial mind is fast at work, pre-registering your excuses. The only time we win is when the games are fairly officiated?

It might interest you to know that the Hawks are a very popular team in Germany, plus the 12's travel much better than the Bucs. Word is that it's going to sound like a home game for us. And keep in mind that this game is technically a home game for the Bucs and would have been played in Tampa, meaning that the Bucs are now going to have to travel nearly as far as we will (11 hrs. vs 10.5 hrs) instead of sleeping in their own beds after we would have embarked on a 5.5-hour cross country 3 time zone flight from Seattle to Tampa. It's a huge break for us.

[Hawktawk]

I fear officiating . Period . It’s not a conspiracy theory or if it is millions subscribe to it . Before XL I made a post predicting a big win with one caveat “ watch the refs “ . Indeed.
It was clearly the difference in the saints game this year . Since then it’s been beautiful . Bad calls are not an excuse . They are a game robber and the better the opponent the less calls or even more importantly no calls vs an opponent your team can absorb . So stop with the good teams should overcome bad calls . They can’t always . When one team can commit certain fouls and the other can’t .

So we will all watch the game and if it’s called clean I expect the younger , more motivated , more talented at almost every position on offense including the qb in 22 there Tompa to blow Tampa out . I hear a lot more excuses about why we’re more talented then anyone but me thought honestly . Our opponents suck , blah blah blah .

We should kill them . Bad
Let’s see .we get the saints crew we’re losing . If it’s well officiated and we stumble I suppose we can’t use another 8 hours in the air and teeing it up at 6:30 pacific time as an excuse either mr no excuses ?


And I hate the international series . I’ve heard there’s lots of Seahawks fans in Germany. Good . I’m sure they have TVs . If they wanna see a game fly over here . I despise it . My goal as a fan is for my team to win as many games each year as possible . I could care less about Germany . Or England or anywhere else . Goodell go to hell .I’m
Pissed as hell about getting up at 4:30 on a Sunday in the middle of winter to prep fir this stupid game .

[RiverDog]

I fear officiating . Period . It’s not a conspiracy theory or if it is millions subscribe to it . Before XL I made a post predicting a big win with one caveat “ watch the refs “ . Indeed.

It was clearly the difference in the saints game this year . Since then it’s been beautiful . Bad calls are not an excuse . They are a game robber and the better the opponent the less calls or even more importantly no calls vs an opponent your team can absorb . So stop with the good teams should overcome bad calls . They can’t always . When one team can commit certain fouls and the other can’t .

So we will all watch the game and if it’s called clean I expect the younger , more motivated , more talented at almost every position on offense including the qb in 22 there Tompa to blow Tampa out . I hear a lot more excuses about why we’re more talented then anyone but me thought honestly . Our opponents suck , blah blah blah .

We should kill them . Bad
Let’s see .we get the saints crew we’re losing . If it’s well officiated and we stumble I suppose we can’t use another 8 hours in the air and teeing it up at 6:30 pacific time as an excuse either mr no excuses ?

Millions of people believe that the moon landings were faked and that the WTC was imploded. When you're talking 330 million people, a couple million is a drop in the bucket. What doesn't add up with your theory is what's in it for the refs? Or do they just naturally hate Seattle? IMO refereeing is much like injuries. It's an occupational hazard that occasionally bites you in the arse.

And I hate the international series . I’ve heard there’s lots of Seahawks fans in Germany. Good . I’m sure they have TVs . If they wanna see a game fly over here . I despise it . My goal as a fan is for my team to win as many games each year as possible . I could care less about Germany . Or England or anywhere else . Goodell go to hell .I’m
Pissed as hell about getting up at 4:30 on a Sunday in the middle of winter to prep fir this stupid game .

The international series is here to stay, so rather than fight it and be pissed about it, you might as well embrace it and see if there's something about it that you can warm up to. If you're a dedicated football fan like I am, you'll appreciate the opportunity to watch another game live.

The international series was designed to make a bunch of rich people richer, but it has other, more beneficial consequences. It brings Americans and other nationalities together, allows them to intermingle, to find something in common with each other. When I went to London in 2018, we were astounded by the amount of interest in the game and in Americans in general. We partied with a couple of Germans that had flown in for the game. They are anxious to learn our ways. I've worked with hundreds if not thousands of immigrants that want to be like us, that want to learn the game as a means of acceptance by native born Americans like you and me. American football has a social significance that goes beyond the game and is beneficial to both countries. If we draw an international game next season, you can bet your bottom dollar that I'll try to go.

[NorthHawk]

I'm not much for international games except for like Mexico where it isn't a long plane ride.
Once we get supersonic flight as the norm then I think we can talk about it.
That being said, with a 17 game schedule, no team should lose a home game for these international events. I think it's a poke in the eye of the local fan base.

[RiverDog]

I'm not much for international games except for like Mexico where it isn't a long plane ride. Once we get supersonic flight as the norm then I think we can talk about it.

Supersonic passenger travel is at least 10 years into the future.

As long as they're able to schedule a bye week following an overseas game, I don't see the issue with flying across the pond. Modern athletes are spoiled. It used to be a day long train ride for a team on the east coast to travel to the west coast.

That being said, with a 17 game schedule, no team should lose a home game for these international events. I think it's a poke in the eye of the local fan base.

Which is why I advocate that each of the 16 teams that get the 9th home game play it at a neutral site, or in other words, once every two years vs. the once every 8 years which is the rule now. Us Seahawks are one of the few teams that have never given up a home game to play internationally.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I guess y'all don't remember the Concord, lol. I know, way too expensive to be sustainable at the time.

I don't mind international games; but I haven't been willing to spend the cheddar on a cable package to get all the live games. Not all their fault; I live way out of market.

[Hawktawk]

At a minimum the teams should be from the same time zone and roughly similar geography in terms of flight time . It’s a supposed neutral game . Seattle will travel farther then any team in history and we already travel a lot . I agree it’s a slap in the face to American fans who have supported the league in good times and bad . Happy for your experience river . I will never “ warm up “ to it .
As for refs / league conspiring to influence games , Xl. A team with low 40s penalties all year got 7 in the Super Bowl , all huge , 6 of which were bullshit . Pittsburgh had 3. 2 were false starts on back to back plays . Pittsburg wasn’t penalized in the final 38:50 of the game , halfway through the second quarter . They benefitted from a good half dozen NO CALLS which I can’t get savvy football people to understand is often worse then a call against your team. All as Paul Tagliabue sat in Rooneys suite , with the man who made his career . Defend that ? You’re not a self respecting fan .
I have no idea what’s up . There are a lot of things to bet , over under , spread , points by quarter , individual stats . With Billionaire owners with billions of dollar franchises , billions wagered . Only a rube would think there’s zero chance among hundreds of officials . An NBA ref already did time . This league doesn’t police like the NBA. Like HGH etc they don’t want to know .
And you’re entitled to your opinion but I am sick of being mocked like an idiot for my well held suspicion . Tired of being spoken down to about the subject .

[c_hawkbob]

I guess y'all don't remember the Concord, lol. I know, way too expensive to be sustainable at the time.

I don't mind international games; but I haven't been willing to spend the cheddar on a cable package to get all the live games. Not all their fault; I live way out of market.

By "all the live games" are you talking about Seahawks live games? I live way out of market as well and stopped paying for Sunday ticket 2 years ago and I still never miss a live Seahawks game. Type "crackstreams" into your browser at game time and with a little patience you'll be able to catch them all as well whether they're televised where you are or not. I rather like having the Redzone up on the TV while I watch the Seahawks on my computer anyway so Sunday Ticket became irrelevant.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I did mean live Seahawks games with me living out-of-market. I do appreciate the tip, but I have heard of that option. My best friend is in GA, and he uses crackstreams. I remember using other sites like that in the past, and I dont' like dealing with all the pop ups and such. Even with proper anti-virus, I am wary of going that rout. I may break my resolve if they keep on trending like they are. There's going to be some can't miss matchups.

[RiverDog]

I guess y'all don't remember the Concord, lol. I know, way too expensive to be sustainable at the time.

It's way too expensive to be sustainable now, too. It's a niche market, as they can't fly over populated areas and aren't viable for shorter flights. I saw the other day where Boom, the company that's attempting to build the next generation SS aircraft, is having difficulty finding a manufacturer willing to develop an engine for them:

Boom recently lost its jet engine partner for the Overture supersonic jet, and other major engine manufacturers aren't interested in the project either, Insider has reported. After Boom signed an "engagement agreement" with Rolls-Royce for supersonic jet engines back in 2020, the latter announced last week that it had left the project. Now, other major jet engine manufacturers including Pratt & Whitney, GE Aviation, Honeywell and Safran Aircraft Engines have told FlightGlobal they're not currently interested in supersonic aircraft.

United claims it will be flying SS aircraft in 2028, but that seems to me to be wildly optimistic. IMO it won't be until well into the next decade before we see commercial SS aircraft flying again.

I don't mind international games; but I haven't been willing to spend the cheddar on a cable package to get all the live games. Not all their fault; I live way out of market.

Direct TV's contract for Sunday Ticket expires this season, and speculation is that the new contract will go to a streaming service, like Amazon Prime, Apple TV, or ESPN+, meaning that it should be way less expensive than what Direct TV could offer it for. I'm currently hooked on the Red Zone and live within the Seahawks' market, so it's not much interest to me.

[Hawktawk]

I have memories of that Concorde that ran over debris and caught fire and crashed into a motel . That was it for the plane in regular service . Nasty .
I hate flying . Safest way to travel . Least safe way to crash . Another reason I don’t like the international series . I fly when absolutely necessary and no other time .

I refused to be put on a helicopter and chose a 2 hr ambulance ride in the middle of a heart attack .

Have fun . It’s a game I’ll never see live .

[Aseahawkfan]

If we beat Tampa Bay, we're surely going to the playoffs. We should beat Tampa unless the refs want to let Tom Brady win one in front of Germany.

I'm saying Seahawks 27 to 16.

[trents]

With the current administration's energy and environmental priorities any, SS aircraft would need to be solar powered and all electric.

[Hawktawk]

If we beat Tampa Bay, we're surely going to the playoffs. We should beat Tampa unless the refs want to let Tom Brady win one in from of Germany.

I'm saying Seahawks 27 to 16.

Yeah my thought exactjy . Bullet points . I hope the refs let Germany see a good hard fought clean game and may the best team win and that team has been us for a month. It’s Tampa by 3 in Vegas and there’s no justification watching the teams the last month for them to be favored in the game . We have better players . We have a great coach and they don’t .

They have no advantage unless you caught the roughing call Brady got for being sacked in a very mild way on a key drive earlier in the year . Is it a pick 6 or pi or TD or opi or holding ? Somehow he has 10 TDs and a league best 1 pick but it don’t pass the eye test and we are currently the # 1 pressure and sack team last month. We know where he’s gonna be too . Don’t have to spy . It looks too easy . Let’s see how they respond to the environment and time lag etc . I hear 3 million tickets could have been sold . It might be pretty crazy


Yeah I have one fear . Hopefully it’s as irrationally driven as a fear of flying . Although it isn’t cause I’ve seen officials crash us on the biggest stage .

We will kill them in a clean game

[Hawktawk]

Just read a report that the league only printed Lock murals to promote this game after the schedule was released. This was never corrected and there are Lock murals up in Germany although there are Geno ones being put up , some by fans .

It’s flabbergasting the incompetence of a trillion dollar sport to have allowed this to happen . Talk about an utter lack of respect for Geno and our organization . I hope I don’t wake up at 4:30 to get ready to watch us get treated like the New Jersey Generals so Tom can win the first game in Germany .
More worried than ever .

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but Tom Brady seems to get more than his fair share of penalties to make sure Tom Terrific can try for one last shot at a win in many tight games. I hope we can blow up the Tampa Bay team so there is no chance for any end of game calls to give Tom his chance to be The Man again.

[RiverDog]

I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but Tom Brady seems to get more than his fair share of penalties to make sure Tom Terrific can try for one last shot at a win in many tight games. I hope we can blow up the Tampa Bay team so there is no chance for any end of game calls to give Tom his chance to be The Man again.

Yeah, and a boxing champ gets breaks from the ref, has to be beaten decisively in order to lose. Michael Jordan got away with traveling ten times more often than any random rookie. An umpire that wouldn't bat an eye at calling a 3rd strike on a .200 hitter thinks twice about it on an MVP. It's not a conspiracy. It's called a bias.

[Old but Slow]

Football not withstanding, I'd just like to be in Munich. Ah, Bavaria.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yeah, and a boxing champ gets breaks from the ref, has to be beaten decisively in order to lose. Michael Jordan got away with traveling ten times more often than any random rookie. An umpire that wouldn't bat an eye at calling a 3rd strike on a .200 hitter thinks twice about it on an MVP. It's not a conspiracy. It's called a bias.

I hope we don't lose due to that bias.

Bucs defense is pretty good and has been holding scores down which is why a bad Bucs offense even has four wins.

[Aseahawkfan]

Football not withstanding, I'd just like to be in Munich. Ah, Bavaria.

I would get a nice sausage meal with kraut and potatoes. Maybe some of those German noodles. I can't remember what they're called.

And hit a bakery. Everyone that has been to Germany tells me their bakeries are amazing.

[RiverDog]

Football not withstanding, I'd just like to be in Munich. Ah, Bavaria.

Yeah, we were planning on flying over there to watch this one. I even had my airline tickets. But back in July when it came time to get game tickets, there were over half a million people in the queue ahead of me. I later found out that there were 2.5 million people trying to get game tickets at that time. That shows you just how popular NFL football is in Europe.

[Hawktawk]

3 million attempted to buy tickets . In other news our native born German Donker was disqualified from playing because the Seahawks needed to move him over 3 weeks earlier as a European developmental player . Waiver for a guy whose gonna play a few snaps in his home country for this wonderful event ? Nah. Sat and watched NFL network suck Brady’s . For 30 minutes straight “ oh he saved their season ! They have their mojo back “ they showed some fans , all Brady Jersey wearing in a stadium over half full of Seahawks fans . Willie Mcginest grinning from ear to ear .
It’s a setup . We gotta be perfect .

[RiverDog]

3 million attempted to buy tickets . In other news our native born German Donker was disqualified from playing because the Seahawks needed to move him over 3 weeks earlier as a European developmental player . Waiver for a guy whose gonna play a few snaps in his home country for this wonderful event ? Nah. Sat and watched NFL network suck Brady’s . For 30 minutes straight “ oh he saved their season ! They have their mojo back “ they showed some fans , all Brady Jersey wearing in a stadium over half full of Seahawks fans . Willie Mcginest grinning from ear to ear .
It’s a setup . We gotta be perfect .

Not that it makes a great deal of difference, but I was on the Ticketmaster-Europe website 30 minutes prior to the announced time of tickets going on sale, refreshed my browser right at 12:30am PDT as was the protocol, nothing happened, clicked a 2nd time and was in...at #519,000. It turns out that there were 770,000 simultaneously trying to access the website at that time. Eventually, there were 2.5 million on the website attempting to buy tickets at 1am PT when they went on sale. Damn tickets to the Super Bowl are likely easier to get.

[Hawktawk]

Looked like Geno morphed back to New York that drive . Self inflicted .

[obiken]

Looked like Geno morphed back to New York that drive . Self inflicted .

Hee hee one thing about you HT you never mince words!!

[obiken]

3 million tried to buy tickets for this game, people were crying that the NFL was coming to Germany!! Wow it going to be the World Football league some day! Pro Bucs crowd though!

[RiverDog]

3 million tried to buy tickets for this game, people were crying that the NFL was coming to Germany!! Wow it going to be the World Football league some day! Pro Bucs crowd though!

I don't think you'll see an NFL team on the opposite side of the pond anytime soon. Supersonic passenger travel is still a pipe dream that's a good 10 years into the future, and even if a current team were available to move, they would be at a competitive disadvantage in free agency as not many free agents would want to live in Europe. The only way it would work is if they were able to get an entire division over there, and that would require a major expansion of at least 4 teams.

We're likely to see an expansion of the international series, as these games have been wildly popular. Look for 3-4 games a season to be played in Germany alone.

Damn! Things aren't looking too good. Can't run the ball and the D looks suspect. Oh, well, it's still early.

[obiken]

Yeah its 14-0 and we are looking like we thought we were. Its still early. I told HT and you that I need one more game to start believing in this team.

[RiverDog]

Yeah its 14-0 and we are looking like we thought we were. Its still early. I told HT and you that I need one more game to start believing in this team.

That was the worst half of football that we've played all season. Walker has 8 yards on 7 carries, Geno has 69 yards passing, we've punted 5 times, 0-5 on third down. We get an opportunity to put some points on the board with nice field position courtesy Dickson and the defense, but we screw the pooch by giving up a sack. Pathetic.

[Hawktawk]

Yeah its 14-0 and we are looking like we thought we were. Its still early. I told HT and you that I need one more game to start believing in this team.

Looks like a team that read its press clippings and kicked off at 6:30 pacific time . Kudos to Brady and Tampa and Todd Bowles . Geno looks rattled and indecisive for the first time since he has worn the rag . Line is getting eaten up in run and pass game . Walker is too patient today . At some point take what’s there . I have no clue what’s going on with the defense . Looking like 6-4 at the bye . I’ll take it . Might be a humbling loss because I’m not optimistic about today .

[obiken]

PC may make adjustments, but yeah they look way sharper!

[RiverDog]

Well, we just got a gift. Worst play call and execution that I've ever seen. Hawktawk should be proud of our OC and his trick plays. We take this drive in for a TD and it's a new ball game.

[trents]

Geno fumbles in the red zone. Sheesh! Looks like the hawks spent too much time in the Munich taverns last night. They just haven't looked ready for this game in any way. Out played and out coached! Realty check game. Bubble burst, back down to earth.

[RiverDog]

Geezus, did you guys see Diggs' whiff? And he's supposedly an All Pro safety? it looked like he didn't even want to tackle him.

[RiverDog]

It's about time for Don Meredith to start singing "Turn out the lights, the party's over." Three scores in under 11 minutes ain't happening, not the way with our offense has been playing. This is by far the worst we've played for a long time.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Defense had some lapses, but still corralled Brady and Co. for 21 points.

Biggest issues for me. Geno. That’s not to say he didn’t make some plays, but he botched two big ones:

1. Not taking off on that 3rd and 2 roll out with lots of green in front him.
2. Red Zone fumble in a 5 wide set. Either throw it or take off but don’t hesitate. Throw it away if you have to.

Those were huge.

[RiverDog]

Defense had some lapses, but still corralled Brady and Co. for 21 points.

Biggest issues for me. Geno. That’s not to say he didn’t make some plays, but he botched two big ones:

1. Not taking off on that 3rd and 2 roll out with lots of green in front him.
2. Red Zone fumble in a 5 wide set. Either throw it or take off but don’t hesitate. Throw it away if you have to.

Those were huge.

More so than Geno, IMO our biggest problem was the complete absence of a running attack. Our lone running back that got carries, Kenneth Walker, had a pathetic 17 yards on 10 carries. That's as bad of a rushing performance for a Seahawks team that I can recall in a long, long time. Not many quarterbacks are going to perform well with a rushing attack that anemic, and certainly not one that plays in Pete Carroll offense.

[Aseahawkfan]

Man, they stuffed Walker hard. This is our weakness. If we get stuffed on the run, Geno can't quite elevate to overcome it. Geno had a very solid game, but when the run game isn't working you need more than a very solid game.

This is the tough part of our schedule. We are now playing teams competing for the playoffs. The Bucs let us know veteran playoff teams know how to step up. The Rams are about to test us too as they know they have to beat us to stay in the playoff hunt. So we won't be getting easy games from the Rams.

Seattle wants to go to the playoffs, they better learn to elevate.

[RiverDog]

Man, they stuffed Walker hard. This is our weakness. If we get stuffed on the run, Geno can't quite elevate to overcome it. Geno had a very solid game, but when the run game isn't working you need more than a very solid game.

I wouldn't call Geno's game 'very solid' as Mack is right in pointing out some of his mistakes, but he's not the reason we lost.

Honest question: Can anyone remember a worse running performance from a Seahawks' team in franchise history? We had 39 yards, over half of them off of quarterback scrambles. I can't remember a game where our running backs got just 14 yards rushing.