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To start out with, I'll be in attendance. A group of us make a point to go to at least one road game and one home game per season, and Detroit was on the list. We'll also go to a Tigers baseball game on the prior evening.

The Lions started the season by scoring touchdowns in 11 straight quarters, a string broken in the 4th quarter of their game against the Vikings. They're 1-2, losing their two games by a combined 7 points. One of their losses came at the hands of the Philadelphia Eagles, one of two undefeated teams in the league. Their offense is led by a familiar face, former Rams QB Jared Goff. His favorite target is a dynamic, Tyreek Hill-like receiver by the name of Amon-Ra Saint Brown. With 23 receptions on the season, he has over twice the number of catches as the next most popular pass catcher. Brown also has 2 rushing carries for 68 yards. Detroit is currently the 3rd ranked offensive team in the league, racking up over 400 yards per game.

Their defense is another story, a negative image of their offense. After 3 games, the Lions have given up an average of 31 ppg, the worst in the league. They have given up almost exactly the same number of yards (408 per game) as their offense has gained (409 per game).

The betting line is that the Lions are favored by 6.5 points.

My guess is that we lose this one, 31-20. I can't see our offense keeping up with the Lions.

Wow, neato River! Yeah I think we lose, hope I am wrong! The Lions are sold out to their coach and they have put up 30+ points on better defenses than ours, at home I just think they win the game.

I feel like we should win, but who knows with this team. Defense is pretty terrible, especially the run defense. I don't see any way to fix that prior to next year's draft. Carroll doesn't seem to have noticed his defensive line cannot hold and his LBs are tackling too many yards down field. On top of that they are getting no pressure to help the rookie CBs. If not for the rookie CBs doing a decent job, we would really be seeing some terrible games. Our D-line and front seven are getting owned against the run. Besides an occasional Al Woods play the announcers talk up, the overall D-line has been hot garbage.

Geno will probably do Geno. A short, conservative passing game hoping the receivers can make something happen. The more opposing defenses get on film with Geno, the more they will know what to take away from him and we'll see if he can adjust as the season goes on. Big thing about backup QBs is they can start off doing fairly well, then once they have a lot of film on them opposing defenses know how to shut them down. Backup QBs usually can't adjust to defenses learning how to defend them.

Keep an eye on Amon-Ra St. Brown. He injured his ankle against the Vikings, but the results of tests were "encouraging" and he is expected to play. He was the NFC Offensive Player of the Week in Week 2. The guy is electric, plays a lot like Tyreek Hill. Plus the Lions are going to be without their starting running back, D'Andre Swift, another dynamic player.

RiverDog wrote:Keep an eye on Amon-Ra St. Brown. He injured his ankle against the Vikings, but the results of tests were "encouraging" and he is expected to play. He was the NFC Offensive Player of the Week in Week 2. The guy is electric, plays a lot like Tyreek Hill. Plus the Lions are going to be without their starting running back, D'Andre Swift, another dynamic player.

The less weapons they have, the better for our defense.

Well one of 2 things has to change . We gotta score more or give up less . It sounds like their stud wideout may be hurt but their offense has been legit . They should have beaten the Vikes . I dunno it should piss off any team to be a 6.5 underdog any week but it hasn’t made any difference . Be angry all you want if you aren’t good enough to do something about it .

I don’t know at all . I had us winning a shootout 31-27 last week . We were a TD short but close . I’ll say Geno builds off his 325 yard performance and shuts some yaps for a week anyway . Riding a good run game he throws for 419 yards and 3 TDs. 2 rush TDs . Woolen picks off Goff . 37-24 hawks .

Hawktawk wrote:Well one of 2 things has to change . We gotta score more or give up less . It sounds like their stud wideout may be hurt but their offense has been legit . They should have beaten the Vikes . I dunno it should piss off any team to be a 6.5 underdog any week but it hasn’t made any difference . Be angry all you want if you aren’t good enough to do something about it .

I don’t know at all . I had us winning a shootout 31-27 last week . We were a TD short but close . I’ll say Geno builds off his 325 yard performance and shuts some yaps for a week anyway . Riding a good run game he throws for 419 yards and 3 TDs. 2 rush TDs . Woolen picks off Goff . 37-24 hawks .

We've only scored 40 offensive points in three games, yet you have us scoring 37 in one? Now that's an optimist!

No one has a problem with Geno's play. He's doing well enough. He's not clutch, but no one was expecting Geno to lead game winning drives in the 4th quarter.

We all know the defense and the run game are the main problems. Geno is doing a good job on offense. You can't expect more than what Geno is doing. Geno is doing enough to win if all the other parts can perform at even a middling level. The defense is so bad right now it don't matter. The run game needs to get going. If you're putting winning on Geno, that ain't gonna happen. You need to have the other parts working for Geno's efficient, short to midrange passing to work. Geno isn't made for shootouts. Never was, never will be.

The surrounding team has to be better for us to win with Geno. He's not a guy you can expect to do a 4th quarter game winning drive. If you don't have the lead and hold it, you're going to lose too many games to be competitive.

My real hope is the O-line comes together well enough to get the run game going. We really need the run game to keep the offense on the field and not make it so we're relying on Geno to lead game winning drives in the fourth quarter.

Geno led the league in game winning drives as a rookie with 3. Just because the new Geno hasn’t led a a GWD doesn’t mean he isn’t capable of it . His overall game is no resemblance to the innacurate turnover machine he was as a rookie . We were close Sunday , close vs a couple teams last year . He’s due . If we run and Geno doesn’t slump we’re gonna score some points . Maybe this week .

Hawktawk wrote:Geno led the league in game winning drives as a rookie with 3. Just because the new Geno hasn’t led a a GWD doesn’t mean he isn’t capable of it . His overall game is no resemblance to the innacurate turnover machine he was as a rookie . We were close Sunday , close vs a couple teams last year . He’s due . If we run and Geno doesn’t slump we’re gonna score some points . Maybe this week .

It should surprise no one that Geno isn't a "turnover machine". He plays in a Pete Carroll offense that's hyper conservative and risk aversive. Russell Wilson was also very good at protecting the ball. That's why Geno also has a high completion percentage, is ranked 28th in longest completion, and is ranked 27th in completions over 20 yards. The question is what will his numbers look like when he's asked to carry the team, pull out a victory when we're down two scores in the 4th quarter.

It's an undeniable fact that our offense hasn't played well in the 2nd half of games this season. We've scored a grand total of 3 offensive points in the 2nd half of all 3 games this season. That's not all on Geno, but it does support the contention that for whatever reason, we can't count on him to carry the team. Just last game, he had a golden opportunity, actually two of them, to lead the team on a game winning drive, and wasn't able to get it done.

Geno been in the league ten years on multiple teams. He's a known quantity by coaches and GMs. Any coach expecting too much of Geno is going to be disappointed, period, end of story.

If you're a GM and making your Super Bowl plans around Geno, you should be fired as soon as possible and laughed out of the league.

RiverDog wrote:To start out with, I'll be in attendance. A group of us make a point to go to at least one road game and one home game per season, and Detroit was on the list. We'll also go to a Tigers baseball game on the prior evening.

The Lions started the season by scoring touchdowns in 11 straight quarters, a string broken in the 4th quarter of their game against the Vikings. They're 1-2, losing their two games by a combined 7 points. One of their losses came at the hands of the Philadelphia Eagles, one of two undefeated teams in the league. Their offense is led by a familiar face, former Rams QB Jared Goff. His favorite target is a dynamic, Tyreek Hill-like receiver by the name of Amon-Ra Saint Brown. With 23 receptions on the season, he has over twice the number of catches as the next most popular pass catcher. Brown also has 2 rushing carries for 68 yards. Detroit is currently the 3rd ranked offensive team in the league, racking up over 400 yards per game.

Their defense is another story, a negative image of their offense. After 3 games, the Lions have given up an average of 31 ppg, the worst in the league. They have given up almost exactly the same number of yards (408 per game) as their offense has gained (409 per game).

The betting line is that the Lions are favored by 6.5 points.

My guess is that we lose this one, 31-20. I can't see our offense keeping up with the Lions.

Maybe we will see you on TV (but not realize it's you)!
I said it before, Detroit is a physically punishing team. They really play a tough style of game much like we did in the early years with the LoB and like we did on both sides of the ball.
I have no idea who's going to win it, but I don't expect many points from us so our Defense will have to come up big for us to do so.
Hope for a bunch of turn overs for us and good ST play. It's the way we can achieve victory.

NorthHawk wrote:Maybe we will see you on TV (but not realize it's you)!

You shouldn't have a hard time picking me out. I'll be wearing a Seahawks jersey, my home blue #12, white Seahawks cap bill forward, and I'm a very attractive 67 year old male.

I'll look for a Model type Seahawks fan, then!

Good luck Riv. My voice is still screwed up from Denver. Fun fact we hung a 50 burger on these guys in December and you weren't impressed. what a difference a year makes. Hopefully Geno plays well enough you think hes a starter

Hawktawk wrote:Good luck Riv. My voice is still screwed up from Denver. Fun fact we hung a 50 burger on these guys in December and you weren't impressed. what a difference a year makes. Hopefully Geno plays well enough you think hes a starter

Thanks for the well wishes, but it's going to take more than this one game for me to change my mind about Geno. He's a 33% QB, wins one then loses two, meaning that he's due for a win in one of his next three 3 games.

My flight leaves tomorrow morning. We're going to a Tigers baseball game Saturday evening. There's 5 of us total, and we're renting an Airbnb. The Henry Ford Museum is on the agenda, too.

On another note, we put Travis Homer on the IR this week with a rib injury, meaning that he has to miss at least 4 games.

RiverDog wrote:Thanks for the well wishes, but it's going to take more than this one game for me to change my mind about Geno. He's a 33% QB, wins one then loses two, meaning that he's due for a win in one of his next three 3 games.

My flight leaves tomorrow morning. We're going to a Tigers baseball game Saturday evening. There's 5 of us total, and we're renting an Airbnb. The Henry Ford Museum is on the agenda, too.

Have fun, RD. Hopefully we don't lay an egg against Detroit. My prediction is already off for the season as I expected us to beat Atlanta at home. If we lose to Detroit on the road, well, damn, we're going to need to beat one of the good teams to get that back.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Geno been in the league ten years on multiple teams. He's a known quantity by coaches and GMs. Any coach expecting too much of Geno is going to be disappointed, period, end of story.

If you're a GM and making your Super Bowl plans around Geno, you should be fired as soon as possible and laughed out of the league.

Current Geno doesn’t resemble his first stops in the league . Stop it . We have a 6 game history on the guy . 2-4 playing 4 great defenses . Mid 70s % passing . 8 TDs. 2 picks . Top ten QBr . People who want to talk about Geno from New York are not accepting reality as to the work the man has done on his game .
I’m proud he’s our qb . Not the future but way better then you all expected and you won’t admit it .

RiverDog wrote:Thanks for the well wishes, but it's going to take more than this one game for me to change my mind about Geno. He's a 33% QB, wins one then loses two, meaning that he's due for a win in one of his next three 3 games.

My flight leaves tomorrow morning. We're going to a Tigers baseball game Saturday evening. There's 5 of us total, and we're renting an Airbnb. The Henry Ford Museum is on the agenda, too.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Have fun, RD. Hopefully we don't lay an egg against Detroit. My prediction is already off for the season as I expected us to beat Atlanta at home. If we lose to Detroit on the road, well, damn, we're going to need to beat one of the good teams to get that back.

Thanks, ASF. Road trips are a kick! You get to talk with fans from other team's fan bases, see another part of the country, etc. Outside of the airport, I've never been to Michigan. The Henry Ford Museum should be interesting, too. It's huge, covers 250 acres. A friend of mine said it has to be a bucket list item.

The Atlanta loss is concerning as all the other teams on our schedule look stronger. But who knows. As we discussed in another thread, the start to this season has been very strange, and it may take longer than usual for teams to sort themselves out. With as much doom and gloom as a lot of us have predicted, there's still a chance that we could catch lightning in a bottle. Stranger things have happened.

RiverDog wrote:Thanks, ASF. Road trips are a kick! You get to talk with fans from other team's fan bases, see another part of the country, etc. Outside of the airport, I've never been to Michigan. The Henry Ford Museum should be interesting, too. It's huge, covers 250 acres. A friend of mine said it has to be a bucket list item.

The Atlanta loss is concerning as all the other teams on our schedule look stronger. But who knows. As we discussed in another thread, the start to this season has been very strange, and it may take longer than usual for teams to sort themselves out. With as much doom and gloom as a lot of us have predicted, there's still a chance that we could catch lightning in a bottle. Stranger things have happened.

I don't see 6 to 8 wins in a rebuild season as doom and gloom myself. I consider it analyzing what the team is doing. This team is rebuilding. In a rebuild year, you focus on player development and assessing weak positions for draft planning. Every team goes through this type of period and it need not be viewed as doom and gloom, but a natural part of the NFL cycle which not many teams fail to enter at various periods due to the structure of the NFL salary cap and draft positioning. Usually your competitive period ends when your franchise QB leaves and we traded ours voluntarily entering a rebuild period.

We're not good right now. Probably won't be for a few years. We've entered the down part of the NFL cycle and need to have some stellar drafts before we have competitive NFL talent.

That being said, we should be able to beat Detroit. If we lose to Detroit, obiken's season prediction is going to be looking more accurate.

Again, the Lions' game is a winnable game just like the others we have already played this season. We haven't played any top drawer teams yet.

trents wrote:Again, the Lions' game is a winnable game just like the others we have already played this season. We haven't played any top drawer teams yet.

They could win, but they won't for the aforementioned reasons above.

trents wrote:Again, the Lions' game is a winnable game just like the others we have already played this season. We haven't played any top drawer teams yet.

Even though they are 1-2 and their quarterback looked awful Sunday night, I consider the Niners to be "top drawer".

I do agree that the Lions game is very winnable. But we're going to need a much better 2nd half offensive performance than we've seen in our first 3 games. I don't think we win this game without scoring at least 25 points.

I have a dilemma. My 30th anniversary is Monday . We were planning on heading down to hood river Sunday . Monday to the Oregon coast . My wife wants to leave early Sunday but I want to watch Seattle’s offense come alive in a big win over Detroit . There are ongoing negotiations but no resolution at this point . What should I do ? river be at the game I be blowing 30 years of marriage over a terrible Seahawks team and a terrible Detroit team that will probably beat us 115 to -20 and not win again . It really sucks being a Seahawks fan sometimes . I guess it’s payback for the last decade .

Hawktawk wrote:I have a dilemma. My 30th anniversary is Monday . We were planning on heading down to hood river Sunday . Monday to the Oregon coast . My wife wants to leave early Sunday but I want to watch Seattle’s offense come alive in a big win over Detroit . There are ongoing negotiations but no resolution at this point . What should I do ? river be at the game I be blowing 30 years of marriage over a terrible Seahawks team and a terrible Detroit team that will probably beat us 115 to -20 and not win again . It really sucks being a Seahawks fan sometimes . I guess it’s payback for the last decade .

Now I thoroughly believe in and endorse "Happy Wife; Happy Life", but my happy wife knows that all things Seahawks are simply not open to negotiation.

My wife still doesn’t accept any part of my behavior as acceptable after 30 years . Jk she’s a huge fan too . But I think maybe halftime . Then hopefully some streaming on the phone . I don’t like missing games . I’ve maybe missed 10 in over 40 years either on tv , on the radio or in person . I was elk hunting above white pass and drove to naches to listen to us lose to a terrible cardinal team back when they were in st Lois . I remeber being in thr car on the way to the coast 28 years ago and having to listen to the 0-4 chargers beat my hawks . I got it bad .

Hawktawk wrote:I have a dilemma. My 30th anniversary is Monday . We were planning on heading down to hood river Sunday . Monday to the Oregon coast . My wife wants to leave early Sunday but I want to watch Seattle’s offense come alive in a big win over Detroit . There are ongoing negotiations but no resolution at this point . What should I do ? river be at the game I be blowing 30 years of marriage over a terrible Seahawks team and a terrible Detroit team that will probably beat us 115 to -20 and not win again . It really sucks being a Seahawks fan sometimes . I guess it’s payback for the last decade .

I planned ahead. My wife and I got married in June during the offseason.

One option could be to listen to the game on the radio on the way down to Hood River. That, or leave REAL early and get down there before the game. What is it, 4 hours from your place to Hood River? Leave at 6am.

Hawktawk wrote:My wife still doesn’t accept any part of my behavior as acceptable after 30 years . Jk she’s a huge fan too . But I think maybe halftime . Then hopefully some streaming on the phone . I don’t like missing games . I’ve maybe missed 10 in over 40 years either on tv , on the radio or in person . I was elk hunting above white pass and drove to naches to listen to us lose to a terrible cardinal team back when they were in st Lois . I remeber being in thr car on the way to the coast 28 years ago and having to listen to the 0-4 chargers beat my hawks . I got it bad .

Hood River is awesome!! The first choice would be to push the wife to leave after the game, but then you're not getting to Hood River until like 5 or 6. I would record the game, watch part of it and then wait until I got home to watch the whole thing. Leaving at Half-Time and listening to the rest on the radio on the way down seems like a good compromise.

Hood river is great . Main reason to stay is it’s halfway . 8 hrs getting to be a a long drive . Cool town and a really nice best western on the river . I kinda like leaving at 6 AM idea. But that’s divorce for sure

RiverDog wrote:I planned ahead. My wife and I got married in June during the offseason.

One option could be to listen to the game on the radio on the way down to Hood River. That, or leave REAL early and get down there before the game. What is it, 4 hours from your place to Hood River? Leave at 6am.

Haha. That's a good one. Did you really plan your wedding around the football season?

RiverDog wrote:I planned ahead. My wife and I got married in June during the offseason.

One option could be to listen to the game on the radio on the way down to Hood River. That, or leave REAL early and get down there before the game. What is it, 4 hours from your place to Hood River? Leave at 6am.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Haha. That's a good one. Did you really plan your wedding around the football season?

Not really, but my relationship with my wife is a lot like C-bob's with his Mrs. She knows which side of the bread has the butter on it. I bought her a tee shirt that has a Seahawk logo on it that reads: "I married into this." I make sure that she wears it once a week just as a reminder.

The Lions are missing some big pieces today. I just saw where their kicker is out with a groin injury. That could be critical in a close game.

I'm revising my prediction to 22-21 Hawks. I think we come away with a victory today

RiverDog wrote:The Lions are missing some big pieces today. I just saw where their kicker is out with a groin injury. That could be critical in a close game.

I'm revising my prediction to 22-21 Hawks. I think we come away with a victory today

River I’m 1-0 live this year . You gotta do this seriously have a great time and GO HAWKS!

RiverDog wrote:The Lions are missing some big pieces today. I just saw where their kicker is out with a groin injury. That could be critical in a close game.

I'm revising my prediction to 22-21 Hawks. I think we come away with a victory today

Hawktawk wrote:River I’m 1-0 live this year . You gotta do this seriously have a great time and GO HAWKS!

I'm up and Adam this morning, but our group of 5 didn't get back to our Airbnb until 2am last night. I was wise enough not to take any of the shots they were throwing down, so no one else has arisen. They're going to miss out on the prefunction if they don't shake their asses out of bed.

PC has to have one of the worst challenge records in NFL history. He often challenges plays that are obviously not going our way. I could be wrong about this one, but it looks like an obvious catch. Maybe he has an angle I haven't seen.

Nice. We're winning easily. I cannot picture us losing to the Lions. It looks like this game will be like the Jaguars last year with Geno.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Nice. We're winning easily. I cannot picture us losing to the Lions. It looks like this game will be like the Jaguars last year with Geno.

Yeah really, how long has it been since we really pounded the crap outta someone!

obiken wrote:Yeah really, how long has it been since we really pounded the crap outta someone!

Sometimes it feels good to take a terrible team to the woodshed.

Two offensive powerhouses squared off today going back and forth.