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Going to training camp at the landing with my father tomorrow. Anyone gone before? What should we expect, things we should bring, go see etc? Any advice from people that have gone before is appreciated thanks. Go Hawks! : D

EmeraldBullet wrote:Going to training camp at the landing with my father tomorrow. Anyone gone before? What should we expect, things we should bring, go see etc? Any advice from people that have gone before is appreciated thanks. Go Hawks! : D

If the weather is anything like it is here, put on plenty of sunscreen and take lots of cold beverages.

Thanks RD, yeah its been hot this week. Do they not have concessions there?

EmeraldBullet wrote:Thanks RD, yeah its been hot this week. Do they not have concessions there?

I would imagine they do, but I've never been to a training camp over there.

Enjoy your visit, and be sure to tell us about your impressions.

FYI as I sit here at 12:15pm, the temperature is 103.1 according to my thermometer, of which I've found to be pretty accurate.

Damn. That's hot. Its in the mid to high 80s over here. It was 92 yesterday. I ended up stuck in traffic for four hours when they closed down I5 south on the way to Seattle. That was not fun even with air conditioning. Truck caught fire carrying oxygen tanks and blew up. Damn nasty. Glad I wasn't around that when it happened. Fortunately no deaths and everyone got clear.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Damn. That's hot. Its in the mid to high 80s over here. It was 92 yesterday. I ended up stuck in traffic for four hours when they closed down I5 south on the way to Seattle. That was not fun even with air conditioning. Truck caught fire carrying oxygen tanks and blew up. Damn nasty. Glad I wasn't around that when it happened. Fortunately no deaths and everyone got clear.

Yeah, I have 106 at 1:30pm, so we should push 110 today. It's a few degrees cooler at my place than it is down in the Tri Cities. We're about 500' higher than the Pasco airport with sparce buildings/streets. But it's nothing compared to last year when they set a state record at Hanford with 119 degrees, and that was in June. But it's dry heat, with rh around 15%. I'd much rather live in 100+ temps here than 80+ in the gulf states.

Speaking of high temps and training camps, I was in Cheney in 1976 and saw one of the Hawks first ever training camps. They chose Cheney in part because of the high temps in late July/August in eastern Washington. Jack Patera wouldn't allow water coolers on the field. That attitude changed a few years later when an offensive lineman named Cory Stringer died of heat stroke in the Vikings training camp.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Damn. That's hot. Its in the mid to high 80s over here. It was 92 yesterday. I ended up stuck in traffic for four hours when they closed down I5 south on the way to Seattle. That was not fun even with air conditioning. Truck caught fire carrying oxygen tanks and blew up. Damn nasty. Glad I wasn't around that when it happened. Fortunately no deaths and everyone got clear.

Good to hear, made for a awesome video clip then, now that I know there were no casualties.

c_hawkbob wrote:Good to hear, made for a awesome video clip then, now that I know there were no casualties.

I was surprised too no casualties. I guess the driver saw his truck on fire early and got out warning everyone to run. Good on him for doing the right thing in a dangerous situation.

The last time I went in 2017 they had concessions on top of the hill. I do remember the wait was lengthy to board the buses that shuttle you from the Landing to the VMAC. All in all, it was a great experience. Let us know how it goes. My son and I are going August 9th and M's-Yankees the day before.
I also heard they were handing out popsicles at the first practice, I assume because of the heat.

That was a really fun experience. One thing I didnt know is you should bring a blanket or fold up chairs to sit on. It was super hot today got a lil sun burned.

Geno- Didnt look great, under threw some passes down field
Lock- Looked very uncomfortable and wouldve been sacked many times if the defense was actually allowed to tackle
Eason- Looked horrible, guy also has chicken legs (like no muscle at all)

I would start Smith based off of what I saw today.

On one play the left tackle didnt even block the defender and Lock wouldve gotten lit up from behind.

The new RB walker looked great and that is guy is very fast. Hard to say how real that was tho when the defense isnt allowed to actually tackle. But he looked good from what I saw.

Metcalf dropped some short easy passes and looked like he wasnt really trying or wasnt focused

Lockett looked great, caught an amazing td pass that wasnt easy

Josh Jones made a couple really nice defensive plays breaking up passes and intercepting geno

Our TEs and LBs all looked solid

Myers missed a FG

Cool. First hand update. Thanks for the update, Emerald.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Cool. First hand update. Thanks for the update, Emerald.

No problem, its just one practice and my very unprofessional take from it, so take it for what its worth

EmeraldBullet wrote:That was a really fun experience. One thing I didnt know is you should bring a blanket or fold up chairs to sit on. It was super hot today got a lil sun burned.

Geno- Didnt look great, under threw some passes down field
Lock- Looked very uncomfortable and wouldve been sacked many times if the defense was actually allowed to tackle
Eason- Looked horrible, guy also has chicken legs (like no muscle at all)

I would start Smith based off of what I saw today.

On one play the left tackle didnt even block the defender and Lock wouldve gotten lit up from behind.

The new RB walker looked great and that is guy is very fast. Hard to say how real that was tho when the defense isnt allowed to actually tackle. But he looked good from what I saw.

Metcalf dropped some short easy passes and looked like he wasnt really trying or wasnt focused

Lockett looked great, caught an amazing td pass that wasnt easy

Josh Jones made a couple really nice defensive plays breaking up passes and intercepting geno

Our TEs and LBs all looked solid

Myers missed a FG

Fantastic, although after experiencing a high temp of 112 degrees here in the Tri Cities, I can't have a lot of sympathy for you over the weather.

Nice observation about Walker. I'm generally opposed to taking RB's as high as we did him, but he seems like a good risk. Your comments about is performance has to be the highlight of your report.

Meyers missing a FG is no big deal. I would imagine that it takes some time for the center-holder-kicker combo to find their grooves. Tight end and LB's should be a strength. No surprise there.

All in all, your observations seem to fit expectations. Quarterbacking looks to be a huge issue, just like we all thought it would. Well, almost all of us. Thanks for the report!

I think RBs early is a good thing. The best ones go early and knowing that Carson was dealing with a serious injury and we will have to rely on the run game because of the limited QB talent, RB became a bigger need than maybe it otherwise was.
I’m on record saying that we missed on both Chubb and Taylor when we knew we had to depend upon the run game in Carroll’s vanilla
Offense, so it’s mind boggling that they didn’t consider a top RB as a priority. Too many missed games by our starters should have
sent a huge message that we needed an injection of top talent in a position critical to Pete’s Offensive philosophy of running the ball.

NorthHawk wrote:I think RBs early is a good thing. The best ones go early and knowing that Carson was dealing with a serious injury and we will have to rely on the run game because of the limited QB talent, RB became a bigger need than maybe it otherwise was.
I’m on record saying that we missed on both Chubb and Taylor when we knew we had to depend upon the run game in Carroll’s vanilla
Offense, so it’s mind boggling that they didn’t consider a top RB as a priority. Too many missed games by our starters should have
sent a huge message that we needed an injection of top talent in a position critical to Pete’s Offensive philosophy of running the ball.

North Hawk, my friend, you and I agree on a whole lot of things. But we're never going to agree on running backs. But then again, it would be pretty boring, and probably a bit dishonest, if we agreed on everything.

If we had a pass happy Offense I would agree with you, but Pete wants a run first Offense and that elevates the position to a higher priority.

NorthHawk wrote:If we had a pass happy Offense I would agree with you, but Pete wants a run first Offense and that elevates the position to a higher priority.

Yep. I think they were pretty sure Carson was done.

River, you bring back memories. Early '70's I moved from Wenatchee to Kennewick for a job. Thirty straight days over 100 degrees. Up to about 110 at one point. I moved into an unfurnished apartment and slept on a rubber mattress right under the air conditioner. Thank dog it wasn't a swamp cooler.

To stay on topic, it seems that with the team seeming strong at WR, TE, and RB, the QB. that wins the job will at least have some help. The realist in me says that the one who starts will be the most mobile. Pass protection will be poor to fair, and much will be rely on the running game, but at times the QB will need to make timely throws. If the quick pass is not there, then throwing on the run becomes important. I would suggest that Geno has the edge.

We need to be patient in these early days, when everybody is great and all the rookies look like starters, and we have some decent depth, but, as I said "early days".

Old but Slow wrote:River, you bring back memories. Early '70's I moved from Wenatchee to Kennewick for a job. Thirty straight days over 100 degrees. Up to about 110 at one point. I moved into an unfurnished apartment and slept on a rubber mattress right under the air conditioner. Thank dog it wasn't a swamp cooler.

Yeah, it's an inferno down here. Pasco is just 385 feet above sea level, lowest point this side of the mountains, sort of like Death Valley is to California. We're about 500' higher and behind the ridges with sparse buildings, no sidewalks, with some vineyards and orchards mixed in that are watered frequently with sprinkler irrigation, so it's usually 3-5 degrees cooler. Plus, we were smart enough to upgrade our HVAC before we hit the rocking chair.

Old but Slow wrote:To stay on topic, it seems that with the team seeming strong at WR, TE, and RB, the QB. that wins the job will at least have some help. The realist in me says that the one who starts will be the most mobile. Pass protection will be poor to fair, and much will be rely on the running game, but at times the QB will need to make timely throws. If the quick pass is not there, then throwing on the run becomes important. I would suggest that Geno has the edge.

We need to be patient in these early days, when everybody is great and all the rookies look like starters, and we have some decent depth, but, as I said "early days".

All that, including the running game, depends on how well our OL gels. Our two rookie OT's, if they start, aren't used to playing with their hand in the dirt and might struggle just as bad, if not worse, as run blockers as they are likely to do in pass protection.

It's been 10 years since we've had a new quarterback at the helm, so it's going to look mighty strange. Although it's driven more by curiosity than optimism, I'm anxious to see what life after Russell looks like.

I’d heard the qb play was spotty but let’s remember let’s ride threw a pick on the first play of OTAs . Don’t know about the other guys but I’ve heard Wyman say Geno just doesn’t impress in practice . I find that weird that he is still employed here if that’s the case . I find it interesting that EB would start him over the other 2 . Pretty dismal sounding qb report but it’s early . I remain optimistic until given reasons not to be .

Hawktawk wrote:I’d heard the qb play was spotty but let’s remember let’s ride threw a pick on the first play of OTAs . Don’t know about the other guys but I’ve heard Wyman say Geno just doesn’t impress in practice . I find that weird that he is still employed here if that’s the case . I find it interesting that EB would start him over the other 2 . Pretty dismal sounding qb report but it’s early . I remain optimistic until given reasons not to be .

Geno signed a 1 year contract because no one else much wanted him. He knows how to run our offense enough to make the game watchable. He'll be back to backup or possibly gone as soon as John and Pete draft their "guy."

Aseahawkfan wrote:HTI’d heard the qb play was spotty but let’s remember let’s ride threw a pick on the first play of OTAs . Don’t know about the other guys but I’ve heard Wyman say Geno just doesn’t impress in practice . I find that weird that he is still employed here if that’s the case . I find it interesting that EB would start him over the other 2 . Pretty dismal sounding qb report but it’s early . I remain optimistic until given reasons not to be “

Geno signed a 1 year contract because no one else much wanted him. He knows how to run our offense enough to make the game watchable. He'll be back to backup or possibly gone as soon as John and Pete draft their "guy."

Geno had more value to Seattle than anyone else after the Wilson trade and they pursued resigning him even before that . I like your comment about making the games “ watchable “
If it’s watchable it’s winnable for Pete . Geno 2021 would have similar numbers to Russ 2012 thru 2014 in 17 games . I know that’s all it is which isn’t enough . My point had always been what a dramatic difference from his entire career . 13 quarters against 3 of the best pass defenses in the league kind of gets where it is hard to keep saying it’s an abberation . That’s all . I hope he’s 2021 and Lock beats him but if Lock can’t beat him I think we’re better off at the position at least for this year then most people think .

Geno was reportedly sharp in Saturday’s practice as was Lock. Geno threw 3 touchdowns to Rocket .