Could Sean Payton Become Seahawks Coach in 2023?

[RiverDog]

Interesting proposition and some food for thought:

They (Seahawks) aren't firing Pete Carroll, even if 2022 is full of lumps. But it's possible Carroll, 71 in September, could walk away from the game if he posts his second straight losing season as Seattle kicks off its post-Russell Wilson regime. In that case, who better to shepherd the real rebuild than a proven program-builder like Payton? Even if quarterback remains a question mark going into 2023, Payton might be intrigued at the thought of possessing four premium picks in the first two rounds of the 2024 draft -- an opportunity to handpick core pieces to pair with big names like DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett and rookie tackle Charles Cross.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/sean ... nts-coach/

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm not a huge fan of Sean Payton. But I don't have much control who is coach. It's not a vote, so I'd watch at least like I always do.

[obiken]

I'm not a huge fan of Sean Payton. But I don't have much control who is coach. It's not a vote, so I'd watch at least like I always do.

No I would take him in a heart beat but he is NOT coming to Seattle. He will be a highly paid Jerry's Kid In Dallas. The only caveat is IF we hit the QB lottery and got the kid outta Ohio State, but I don't see PC and JS taking someone like him. Too much upside for them to take a risk on us getting a killer QB for the rest of my life!

[NorthHawk]

I read an article that said Payton wants to go to a warm weather team so that would leave us out.
However, we have a history of the HC having full personnel control which he supposedly wants and he
probably won’t get it in Dallas with Jerruh’s ego in the mix. Dolphins? Maybe but would they get rid of
their first year HC so quickly along with their GM? Maybe he ends up back in NO.

[Aseahawkfan]

I read an article that said Payton wants to go to a warm weather team so that would leave us out.
However, we have a history of the HC having full personnel control which he supposedly wants and he
probably won’t get it in Dallas with Jerruh’s ego in the mix. Dolphins? Maybe but would they get rid of
their first year HC so quickly along with their GM? Maybe he ends up back in NO.

I can't see him going back to New Orleans.

[NorthHawk]

It sounds far fetched, but I read an article discussing the chances and it sounded like it was a higher probability
than signing with us.

[Aseahawkfan]

I want Jim Harbaugh. He still has something to prove.

[curmudgeon]

This. 100%.

[c_hawkbob]

I want Jim Harbaugh. He still has something to prove.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

[Aseahawkfan]

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

He's insane, but he wants to win.

[RiverDog]

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

He's insane, but he wants to win.

If given a choice between Payton and Hairball, I'd take Payton every day of the week and twice on Sundays. But neither one of them would be my first choice. I'd rather go outside the box a little and take someone like Kellen Moore or Byron Leftwich.

I'm not sure if I'm ready to accept the premise, though, that Pete might want to call it quits even if we tank this season. It's a subject we can take a look in November when we see how the season is shaking out.

[NorthHawk]

A couple of years ago during the season when we were struggling, Pete in his post game press conference looked like a coach
ready to pull the plug. He had the look of a weary man who just about had enough. So maybe in recent years he’s getting
closer to make that decision. When asked how long he expects to coach after signing his latest contract he said it was for
five years but in actuality he was taking it year to year depending on a number of factors including health and
enjoyment of coaching. A couple of bad years might push him to make that decision before his contract expires.

[obiken]

A couple of years ago during the season when we were struggling, Pete in his post game press conference looked like a coach
ready to pull the plug. He had the look of a weary man who just about had enough. So maybe in recent years he’s getting
closer to make that decision. When asked how long he expects to coach after signing his latest contract he said it was for
five years but in actuality he was taking it year to year depending on a number of factors including health and
enjoyment of coaching. A couple of bad years might push him to make that decision before his contract expires.

NH, PC gets this year as a throw away but if he doesnt have a winning season in 2023 he is done, period, even his defenders will turn on him. I just dont see Pete staying in the NW.

[RiverDog]

A couple of years ago during the season when we were struggling, Pete in his post game press conference looked like a coach
ready to pull the plug. He had the look of a weary man who just about had enough. So maybe in recent years he’s getting
closer to make that decision. When asked how long he expects to coach after signing his latest contract he said it was for
five years but in actuality he was taking it year to year depending on a number of factors including health and
enjoyment of coaching. A couple of bad years might push him to make that decision before his contract expires.

Not only that, but there was the post game presser that he walked out of instead of fielding a tough question, something he's never done before.

[NorthHawk]

I forgot about walking out of the post game press conference. I wonder how close he got then to making the big decision and
just maybe it was the catalyst for some of the big changes on Defense that we are supposed to be making.

[Hawktawk]

A couple of things here . #1 Pete and John aren’t planning to tank . Doesn’t mean they won’t suck. They have made roster moves in free agency and in a plug and play blue chip draft . They are at least trying to sign Dk and I’ve seen film of him practicing with Geno . I will never buy that Pete plans on a rebuild at his age . If that’s how it turns out Pete might walk away or Jody might fire his ass too.

As for Payton , where’s the beef? What evidence is there that he’s a significant upgrade ? He had one of the most prolific passers , most prolific in many categories . Last time they won was 2009. And in 2010 I saw PC coach Beast Quake and smoke that defending super bowl team with a 7-9 embarrassment of a division winner . Pete’s better . I don’t want that smug pr@ck. I don’t want Hairball either . I want playoffs . Then story goes away .

[RiverDog]

A couple of things here . #1 Pete and John aren’t planning to tank . Doesn’t mean they won’t suck. They have made roster moves in free agency and in a plug and play blue chip draft . They are at least trying to sign Dk and I’ve seen film of him practicing with Geno . I will never buy that Pete plans on a rebuild at his age . If that’s how it turns out Pete might walk away or Jody might fire his ass too.

As for Payton , where’s the beef? What evidence is there that he’s a significant upgrade ? He had one of the most prolific passers , most prolific in many categories . Last time they won was 2009. And in 2010 I saw PC coach Beast Quake and smoke that defending super bowl team with a 7-9 embarrassment of a division winner . Pete’s better . I don’t want that smug pr@ck. I don’t want Hairball either . I want playoffs . Then story goes away .

Who said that Pete and John are planning on tanking?

Pete will never use the word 'rebuild.' It doesn't fit with his 'win forever' motto. That doesn't mean he won't make a sacrifice or two in the short term in order to achieve a long term goal. There is some evidence that he's had a change in heart, that he doesn't view our team as being just a player or two short from a SB contender. We haven't seen the player-for-draft pick trades like we have in the past, at least not yet. Last season, we went into the draft with just 3 picks, having traded them away for players. Plus the way they went about this year's draft was an obvious change in philosophy, ie not trading down to accumulate picks like we have so many times in the past. IMO something has changed.

I don't necessarily want Payton, either. Not because he's a 'smug pr!ck,' as you put it, but rather that I agree with you that he's not an upgrade. I'd rather take a chance on a relative unknown.

[Aseahawkfan]

Who said that Pete and John are planning on tanking?

Pete will never use the word 'rebuild.' It doesn't fit with his 'win forever' motto. That doesn't mean he won't make a sacrifice or two in the short term in order to achieve a long term goal. There is some evidence that he's had a change in heart, that he doesn't view our team as being just a player or two short from a SB contender. We haven't seen the player-for-draft pick trades like we have in the past, at least not yet. Last season, we went into the draft with just 3 picks, having traded them away for players. Plus the way they went about this year's draft was an obvious change in philosophy, ie not trading down to accumulate picks like we have so many times in the past. IMO something has changed.

I don't necessarily want Payton, either. Not because he's a 'smug pr!ck,' as you put it, but rather that I agree with you that he's not an upgrade. I'd rather take a chance on a relative unknown.

I don't like unknowns. That's why I prefer Harbaugh. I know he can build a winning team on both sides of the ball and make it to a Super Bowl. Harbaugh coached Frisco for four years. He went to two conference Championships and a Super Bowl during that time period. That's with Colin K at QB and he had their defense in the top 5 3 of their 4 years and designed an offense to make a guy like Colin K shine enough to be a legitimate Super Bowl contender and Colin K isn't even in the league any more.

Harbaugh is a bit of a loon. But that dude knows how to get a team to win and will build a tough team on both sides of the ball and he can get the most out of a QB.

Harbaugh still wants a Lombardi. He wants it bad. He don't like sitting around the table with his brother John and stomaching John has a Lombardi and he doesn't.

You say you like a guy who wants to win. Harbaugh is that guy. He turned Frisco's talent around in his first year to a Conference Championship game and division championship.

You give Jim Harbaugh talent and he'll win. He'll get the most out of the talent and he won't stop until they win.

[NorthHawk]

Payton is a coach who can develop a young QB. He also designs his Offenses around what the QB does best and limits what he doesn’t.
That’s pretty much essential in today’s offenses. as it limits mistakes and breeds confidence. There are some QBs who can play well in any system but nobody is certain who they are until they have a few years under their belt.
As we will probably be selecting a QB early in 2023 or 2024, he would be a good coach for that QB to play under.
But, Payton is reported to let it be known he wants to go to a warm weather location so he’s out of the running here.

[Aseahawkfan]

Payton is a coach who can develop a young QB. He also designs his Offenses around what the QB does best and limits what he doesn’t.
That’s pretty much essential in today’s offenses. as it limits mistakes and breeds confidence. There are some QBs who can play well in any system but nobody is certain who they are until they have a few years under their belt.
As we will probably be selecting a QB early in 2023 or 2024, he would be a good coach for that QB to play under.
But, Payton is reported to let it be known he wants to go to a warm weather location so he’s out of the running here.

Harbaugh designs around the QB too. That's why he was able to make Colin K seem like a legitimate starting QB and Super Bowl contender for four years.

Payton ain't great at making sure his team has a good defense. Whereas Harbaugh with his short track record is good at both.

Payton quit because he's burnt out. Crazy Harbaugh is still hungry in the right situation.

[RiverDog]

Who said that Pete and John are planning on tanking?

Pete will never use the word 'rebuild.' It doesn't fit with his 'win forever' motto. That doesn't mean he won't make a sacrifice or two in the short term in order to achieve a long term goal. There is some evidence that he's had a change in heart, that he doesn't view our team as being just a player or two short from a SB contender. We haven't seen the player-for-draft pick trades like we have in the past, at least not yet. Last season, we went into the draft with just 3 picks, having traded them away for players. Plus the way they went about this year's draft was an obvious change in philosophy, ie not trading down to accumulate picks like we have so many times in the past. IMO something has changed.

I don't necessarily want Payton, either. Not because he's a 'smug pr!ck,' as you put it, but rather that I agree with you that he's not an upgrade. I'd rather take a chance on a relative unknown.

I don't like unknowns. That's why I prefer Harbaugh. I know he can build a winning team on both sides of the ball and make it to a Super Bowl. Harbaugh coached Frisco for four years. He went to two conference Championships and a Super Bowl during that time period. That's with Colin K at QB and he had their defense in the top 5 3 of their 4 years and designed an offense to make a guy like Colin K shine enough to be a legitimate Super Bowl contender and Colin K isn't even in the league any more.

Harbaugh is a bit of a loon. But that dude knows how to get a team to win and will build a tough team on both sides of the ball and he can get the most out of a QB.

Harbaugh still wants a Lombardi. He wants it bad. He don't like sitting around the table with his brother John and stomaching John has a Lombardi and he doesn't.

You say you like a guy who wants to win. Harbaugh is that guy. He turned Frisco's talent around in his first year to a Conference Championship game and division championship.

You give Jim Harbaugh talent and he'll win. He'll get the most out of the talent and he won't stop until they win.

It's been a long time ago, but I remember our debates about Hairball and his tenure with the Niners. As I recall, he walked into a fairly full cupboard as the Niners had had accumulated a lot of top draft picks, he inherited a very good offensive line, then left the team in a shambles after he got into it with his GM. The fact that the Niners really tanked immediately following his departure (5-11 in 2015, 2-14 in 2016) doesn't speak well for his ability to build a team.

On a side note, Hairball has intentionally embroiled himself in a controversy by making some very public statements regarding his POV on abortion.

https://www.tmz.com/2022/07/19/jim-harb ... t-to-life/

I would prefer to have a head coach that avoids making political/social statements, especially those that he knows are going to be inflammatory for a large percentage of the population. Pete's done a pretty fair job of that.

[Aseahawkfan]

It's been a long time ago, but I remember our debates about Hairball and his tenure with the Niners. As I recall, he walked into a fairly full cupboard as the Niners had had accumulated a lot of top draft picks, he inherited a very good offensive line, then left the team in a shambles after he got into it with his GM. The fact that the Niners really tanked immediately following his departure (5-11 in 2015, 2-14 in 2016) doesn't speak well for his ability to build a team.

On a side note, Hairball has intentionally embroiled himself into controversy by making some very public statements about his POV about abortion.

That team wasn't doing much before he got there and didn't do much after he left for quite a few years. He certainly didn't screw up the cupboard as the GM won the power struggle and had him fired because he didn't like the talent the GM was drafting. Seems he was right as the team fell off a cliff after he left. So not sure how you blame him for "building a team" when he didn't have control over personnel which is one of the reasons he fought with the GM. He took what he had and built them into a Super Bowl contender from the first year he arrived. You revising history to make it seem like he was somehow "building the team" is not what was going on.

As far as the media going after him for speaking like a Catholic is taught to speak on abortion, not sure why that's a big deal. He's a private citizen with the right to speak his mind. It was done at an even specifically for that type of thing, not some random comments on an NFL sideline.

I tend to disagree with your take on Harbaugh. He knows how to coach talent and build them up into a great team. He had no control over personnel decisions and did not have GM powers during his tenure in Frisco to as you put it "build the team." He got very good results quickly when other coaches before him did not and other coaches after him did not. Shanahan has he 49ers competitive again, but it took him some years to do it.

I think Harbaugh is a quality coaching candidate. I'd be happy to have him here.

Payton may do ok. But my feeling is the guy's had his best years. But I'd roll with Payton too if he came. See what he can do.

In my opinion, Pete is setting Hurtt to take over for him.

[Hawktawk]

Yeah that last part . Hurrt has to build a defense first but his intelligence and demeanor and articulate manner of speaking has head coach written all over it . The defense must improve to get to my 10 wins and I believe it will . It would be sweet to see Pete flip this thing like a microwave and walk off into the sunset giving Hurrt an opportunity .

[RiverDog]

That team wasn't doing much before he got there and didn't do much after he left for quite a few years. He certainly didn't screw up the cupboard as the GM won the power struggle and had him fired because he didn't like the talent the GM was drafting. Seems he was right as the team fell off a cliff after he left. So not sure how you blame him for "building a team" when he didn't have control over personnel which is one of the reasons he fought with the GM. He took what he had and built them into a Super Bowl contender from the first year he arrived. You revising history to make it seem like he was somehow "building the team" is not what was going on.

Regardless of who's fault it was, there was a huge drop off starting with Harbaugh's last season (8-8) and imploding immediately after he left. He may not be completely responsible for their demise, but neither did he build anything.

As far as the media going after him for speaking like a Catholic is taught to speak on abortion, not sure why that's a big deal. He's a private citizen with the right to speak his mind. It was done at an even specifically for that type of thing, not some random comments on an NFL sideline.

Understood and agreed. I was merely expressing my preference. Regardless of what social or political issue is at hand, I would rather keep my sports separate from them. It's a distraction that we don't need. Would you like it if Pete went out and gave campaign speeches for Biden or Trump?

In my opinion, Pete is setting Hurtt to take over for him.

I dunno. Pete hasn't worked with Hurtt prior to this season. It would be a little unusual for a head coach to be grooming as his replacement a person that he barely knows.

[Aseahawkfan]

Regardless of who's fault it was, there was a huge drop off starting with Harbaugh's last season (8-8) and imploding immediately after he left. He may not be completely responsible for their demise, but neither did he build anything.

He still got results you like. 75% playoff contention. Real Super Bowl contender in the conference championship and in a Super Bowl very quickly. He shows a ton of promise.

Understood and agreed. I was merely expressing my preference. Regardless of what social or political issue is at hand, I would rather keep my sports separate from them. It's a distraction that we don't need. Would you like it if Pete went out and gave campaign speeches for Biden or Trump?

Pete is clearly a Democrat. Often speaks out in support of issues like diversity in coaching and supporting guys like Colin K's right to kneel. He's the right liberal, so gets less liberal media attacks. Not like he's quiet about his political stance. The liberal media doesn't go after because he's one of them. I don't think Harbaugh should be punished for being more conservative. I'm surprised you think that's ok.

I dunno. Pete hasn't worked with Hurtt prior to this season. It would be a little unusual for a head coach to be grooming as his replacement a person that he barely knows.

Hurtt has been here since 2017. So not sure what you're talking about on this one.

Sean Desai is the one who just came on.

[RiverDog]

Understood and agreed. I was merely expressing my preference. Regardless of what social or political issue is at hand, I would rather keep my sports separate from them. It's a distraction that we don't need. Would you like it if Pete went out and gave campaign speeches for Biden or Trump?

Pete is clearly a Democrat. Often speaks out in support of issues like diversity in coaching and supporting guys like Colin K's right to kneel. He's the right liberal, so gets less liberal media attacks. Not like he's quiet about his political stance. The liberal media doesn't go after because he's one of them. I don't think Harbaugh should be punished for being more conservative. I'm surprised you think that's ok.

Where did I say that the attacks on Hairball was OK? I simply said that my preference is that coaches avoid controversial issues and refrain from taking public positions on them. The issue of diversity and Kaepernick's kneeling was directly related to Pete's football team. The issues of diversity in hiring/promotion of coaches a league wide concern, so it was entirely appropriate for him to voice his opinion on both those matters. It would have been difficult for Pete to have avoided the issue. Obviously, abortion rights/right to life has nothing to do with football in general and his team specifically. That's the difference.

As far as the attacks on Hairball, he knew that his opinion on abortion would draw criticism, yet he chose to make a public speech about it. IMO he invited the attacks. It's not like someone thrust a microphone in front of him during a presser. It was a prepared speech he gave at a dinner. Although I'm not "OK" with the attacks, I have zero sympathy for him. He asked for it.

I dunno. Pete hasn't worked with Hurtt prior to this season. It would be a little unusual for a head coach to be grooming as his replacement a person that he barely knows.

Hurtt has been here since 2017. So not sure what you're talking about on this one.

Sean Desai is the one who just came on.

My bad. Thanks for the correction.

[Aseahawkfan]

Hurtt has been here since 2017. So not sure what you're talking about on this one.

Sean Desai is the one who just came on.

My bad. Thanks for the correction.

My feeling is Pete wants to put his money where his mouth is and set Hurtt up as his successor. I think Jodi is probably onboard. So he's gonna teach Hurtt how to build a team the Win Forever method, then hand off in a few years to Clint.

[c_hawkbob]

We've had a respected head coach pick and groom a successor before, keep in mind how that worked out before wish it upon us again.

[Aseahawkfan]

We'll see what happens. Hurtt still has to perform. He sounds like he will bust his ass to take advantage of the chance.

Not sure if you're talking about Mora, but he was more a Ruskell pick than Holmgren. Ruskell was setting him up to replace The Walrus. That didn't work out too well.

[govandals]

I'm on the fence as far as Sean Patyon goes. He is a decent coach who benefited from a great qb. Hmm... where have I heard that before. lol I have no doubt if ownership throws enough dollars at him he will come here. Who knows, he may be our best choice come that time.

Harbaugh?? Really? Why even bother throwing his name out there? No chance he gets another NFL shot. He can coach at the college level where the roster turns over every 2-4 years. Longterm NFL guy? no chance now.

[Hawktawk]

Hair ball is a mouthy A hole . It’s disqualifying if you want to win it all . Too controversial. No

[Aseahawkfan]

All I know is everywhere Jim Harbaugh goes, he makes a competitor. Stanford. Frisco. Michigan. The dude knows how to build a winning team. Hire him a good GM, give him some talent, and I think he could win it all. I may not be disappointed every year we don't win a Super Bowl like RD, but I do want to win. Harbaugh is a guy you know will give everything he has to win and knows how to build a competitive team and get his players to run through a wall for him.

Harbaugh developed Andrew Luck. He built Colin K into a competitive QB. The man knows how to develop a QB and put them in position to win.

The guy has all the qualities you want in a head coach other than being a good faceman which Bill B has proven doesn't matter much:

1. Develop the QB? Check.

2. Build a competitive team capable of competing for a championship? Check.

3. Design an offense to the strengths of your players, especially your QB? Check.

4. Build a strong defense? Check.

I think you give Jim Harbaugh ten years like we gave Pete and Holmgren, he'll bring us home a Lombardi or two and develop us a great team including a great QB.

I know we're not likely to hire him, but I think he's a hell of a coach. He has a great resume and is definitely worth taking a chance on. I like it when a coach has shown enough to be sure he'll create a competitor, but still has a lot left to prove. Harbaugh fits that mold for me much like Pete did.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm on the fence as far as Sean Patyon goes. He is a decent coach who benefited from a great qb. Hmm... where have I heard that before. lol I have no doubt if ownership throws enough dollars at him he will come here. Who knows, he may be our best choice come that time.

Harbaugh?? Really? Why even bother throwing his name out there? No chance he gets another NFL shot. He can coach at the college level where the roster turns over every 2-4 years. Longterm NFL guy? no chance now.

People thought the same about Pete Carroll. That worked out for us.

[RiverDog]

We've had a respected head coach pick and groom a successor before, keep in mind how that worked out before wish it upon us again.

Yeah, no kidding.

Also, keep in mind that Pete's coaching tree is nothing to brag about. He hasn't been able to translate whatever it is that makes him successful to other coaches that have worked for him. Dan Quinn? He was the most successful, taking the Falcons to a SB, but his career W/L is one game over .500 and ended up getting fired. Gus Bradley's HC record is 14-48. Steve Sarkisian, now at U of Texas, has never caught on anywhere. And let's not talk about Lane Kiffen. Or what about recently: Ken Norton Jr? Darrell Bevel? Brian Shottenheimer? Kris Richard? Where are those guys now?

[Hawktawk]

We'll see what happens. Hurtt still has to perform. He sounds like he will bust his ass to take advantage of the chance.

Not sure if you're talking about Mora, but he was more a Ruskell pick than Holmgren. Ruskell was setting him up to replace The Walrus. That didn't work out too well.

Mora didn’t get a fair shake . He inherited a 4-12 team with a bare cupboard and was given 1 year .

Wasn’t surprising they only won 5 and then 7 the next 2 . And we won’t argue the results in hindsight . But letting Mora get up and give the state of the team interview while literally trying to close the deal with Pete at that moment and firing Mora as soon as the deal was final was just using him as option 2 if it fell through . It was a classless move by a classy organization . I agree he was a Ruskell guy . Tim brought us the best of times and the worst of times .

[RiverDog]

We'll see what happens. Hurtt still has to perform. He sounds like he will bust his ass to take advantage of the chance.

Not sure if you're talking about Mora, but he was more a Ruskell pick than Holmgren. Ruskell was setting him up to replace The Walrus. That didn't work out too well.

Mora didn’t get a fair shake . He inherited a 4-12 team with a bare cupboard and was given 1 year .

Wasn’t surprising they only won 5 and then 7 the next 2 . And we won’t argue the results in hindsight . But letting Mora get up and give the state of the team interview while literally trying to close the deal with Pete at that moment and firing Mora as soon as the deal was final was just using him as option 2 if it fell through . It was a classless move by a classy organization . I agree he was a Ruskell guy . Tim brought us the best of times and the worst of times .

I understand the argument, that firing a coach after one season isn't giving him a fair shake, and as a rule, I'd agree. But the problem with Mora was that he lost the team. Players literally mailed it in the last half of that season. He forgot one of the ten commandments of supervision, praise in public, criticize in private. Don't humiliate your subordinates in front of their peers. I'll never forget the time in a post game presser where he threw his kicker under the bus..."There is no excuse, no excuse!" Once you lose respect, it's extremely difficult to gain it back. He had to go.

[tarlhawk]

I still think Pete will play out his contract...while "grooming" Sean Desai or Clint Hurtt or even Shane Waldron.

[RiverDog]

I still think Pete will play out his contract...while "grooming" Sean Desai or Clint Hurtt or even Shane Waldron.

Although I don't believe the speculation about Payton coming here, the article makes a very valid point. If we have a season like many people believe, ie 5 wins or less, is Pete going to have the will to see this rebuild through? He did something last season that he's never done before in his career, walked out on a press conference. That right there tells us that he's beginning to feel the strain. Plus there's always the chance that he might still be pushed out the door.

Pete's contract takes him through the 2025 season, at which point he'll be 74 years old. IMO given his age and the recent performance of his teams, I'd peg the chances of him finishing out his contract at no more than 50/50.

I'm also not convinced that our management has that much confidence in Pete to where they'd allow him to name his own replacement. As I stated earlier, Pete has had a pretty dismal record of procuring coaches.

[c_hawkbob]

I'd peg the chances of him finishing out his contract at no more than 50/50

I'll take the under.

[Aseahawkfan]

Mora didn’t get a fair shake . He inherited a 4-12 team with a bare cupboard and was given 1 year .

Wasn’t surprising they only won 5 and then 7 the next 2 . And we won’t argue the results in hindsight . But letting Mora get up and give the state of the team interview while literally trying to close the deal with Pete at that moment and firing Mora as soon as the deal was final was just using him as option 2 if it fell through . It was a classless move by a classy organization . I agree he was a Ruskell guy . Tim brought us the best of times and the worst of times .

I didn't like the way Mora was forced on Holmgren and set up to take over almost forcing Holmgren off because Holmgren was pissed off at Ruskell for messing up with Hutch. Holmgren had a legitimate reason to be pissed off at Ruskell. I think that was one time Paul Allen should have backed his coach over his GM and I'm not sure why he didn't Fortunately Paul fixed that the following year when he realized Mora wasn't the guy and he had a chance to bring in a much better coach which paid off like gangbusters. Ruskell wasn't good enough to be dictating terms to Holmgren and forcing a head coach replacement on Holmgren. So I never got behind Mora. He came here all wrong and was use as a pawn to force out a much better coach after Ruskell had messed up losing our Pro Bowl guard who was part of the elite left side Holmgren had build to spearhead his offense.

I'm glad Ruskell and Mora got sent packing the following season. Ruskell deserved it. Mora should have never let himself be used as a stooge to replace a highly respect coach like Mike Holmgren.

I wasn't going to back Ruskell's garbage move. Ruskell lost Hutch. He messed up playing games with tags. Then tried to undermine Mike Holmgren and push him out to replace him with a head coach who would do what he was told by the GM. That was just straight up garbage.