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From the mike Salk show. Someone besides myself has some eyeballs. I figure Ill throw it in with all this funeral dirge doom and gloom worst team in history stuff.

Coby Bryant sounds like the steal of the 5th round from what I read. He sounds like he could do something early.

Tariq sounds like the athletic freak project they have to train up that probably won't work out, but if he does he will be very good.

I don't expect either one to do well early. Took Sherm, Earl, and Kam a few years to come together. Gonna take these guys the same.

This whole team is super young, inexperienced, and has to go through the growing pains to build into something. Not sure why you view that as doom and gloom, when most of us see it as the growing pains necessary in team building when you have young players learning and developing.

What are you really gonna do if the rookies lose? Give up on the team? Think of the draft class as bad for being young and inexperienced? That's just ridiculous.

I just think we got a good one here Asea. Even the tackles . Who starts 2 rookie tackles ? Nobody right ?

How many teams have 6’6” 320 lb bookends with extreme strength and athleticism , both who run a sub 4.9. I’m talking teams period . Rookies or otherwise .

You can’t coach speed or athletecism . It looks to me like the makings of the best line of the Carroll era assuming they promote Phil Haynes at guard . Send Jackson packing . It’s good enough to win .

Hawktawk wrote:I just think we got a good one here Asea. Even the tackles . Who starts 2 rookie tackles ? Nobody right ?

How many teams have 6’6” 320 lb bookends with extreme strength and athleticism , both who run a sub 4.9. I’m talking teams period . Rookies or otherwise .

You can’t coach speed or athletecism . It looks to me like the makings of the best line of the Carroll era assuming they promote Phil Haynes at guard . Send Jackson packing . It’s good enough to win .

I don't know why you have these expectations of a young, inexperienced team. I've heard that tired, "You can't teach athleticism" trash for years. How'd that work out for Bruce Irvin as a DE? Or Aaron Curry as a LB?

Athleticism is only component of success and not even the most important one. Plenty of freak athletes have tried to make it in the NFL and failed. You gotta be able to take the athleticism and learn and develop it because everyone at the NFL level is a freak athlete. Aaron Donald and Nick Bosa are freak athletes. Lots of freak athletes in the NFL.

They gotta learn how to read the players, learn to last a now 17 game season which takes serious conditioning, they gotta learn that defensive formations and blitzes are far more complex at the NFL level. All of this takes time to learn.

So I'm wondering? You going to throw these guys under the bus if they don't meet your minimum 10 wins and call it a bad draft class? What are you going to do when you realize that this team is young and is going to take some seasoning before they really compete? When you realize that of the 9 players we drafted, we'll be lucky if even a single one performs at a high level in year one and maybe two? What are you going to do when you realize no draft class in history ever worked out the way you expect these guys to work out ever.

When are you going to have a realistic view of young rookie team with two rookie tackles, two former back up QBs playing QB who are going to have their hands full managing a rookie O-line, and playing in an extremely tough division with three other playoff teams in it?

Why do you need this team to have a minimum of 10 wins when they're this young? I don't get it.

In regards to the athleticism of our rookie tackles, I am reminded of an old warning "beware of old age and treachery". Some of the old vets that they will face will have tricks that the rooks have never thought of. Lots of defensive line stunts, switching assignments, and confusion. They will learn and they will grow, but it might be a little ugly for a time.

Old but Slow wrote:In regards to the athleticism of our rookie tackles, I am reminded of an old warning "beware of old age and treachery". Some of the old vets that they will face will have tricks that the rooks have never thought of. Lots of defensive line stunts, switching assignments, and confusion. They will learn and they will grow, but it might be a little ugly for a time.

I think that you've used that 'old warning' a time or two, but it sure applies here.

Brute strength and foot speed are nice attributes to posses no matter what position or sport you're playing. But with offensive linemen, particularly tackles that are playing on a bit of an island, good footwork and balance are just as if not more important than raw athleticism. It's what made Walter Jones such a great offensive tackle. There were other tackles that were just as big, just as strong, and just as fast. But with Big Walt, people couldn't get around him. He was never out of position, never off balance, always squarely between the defender and the QB, could anticipate which direction his opponent was going to go. That's why he hardly ever got dinged for a holding penalty.

Hopefully, these two tackles will have a short learning curve, but make no mistake: There will be a curve, especially given who they'll be going up against.

The other thing is college refereeing is different than the NFL. What they got away with in college rarely works
in the NFL. Add to it the savvy veterans who know how to play to the edge and maybe a little further without
getting caught and the inexperienced are at a large disadvantage.

In time, this draft class could be special but it’s going to take a while.
Along with others, I’m interested in how the DBs look. There’s a lot of potential there, but we need to see if it
translates to the NFL.

Aseahawkfan wrote:I just think we got a good one here Asea. Even the tackles . Who starts 2 rookie tackles ? Nobody right ?

How many teams have 6’6” 320 lb bookends with extreme strength and athleticism , both who run a sub 4.9. I’m talking teams period . Rookies or otherwise .

You can’t coach speed or athletecism . It looks to me like the makings of the best line of the Carroll era assuming they promote Phil Haynes at guard . Send Jackson packing . It’s good enough to win .

I don't know why you have these expectations of a young, inexperienced team. I've heard that tired, "You can't teach athleticism" trash for years. How'd that work out for Bruce Irvin as a DE? Or Aaron Curry as a LB?

Athleticism is only component of success and not even the most important one. Plenty of freak athletes have tried to make it in the NFL and failed. You gotta be able to take the athleticism and learn and develop it because everyone at the NFL level is a freak athlete. Aaron Donald and Nick Bosa are freak athletes. Lots of freak athletes in the NFL.

They gotta learn how to read the players, learn to last a now 17 game season which takes serious conditioning, they gotta learn that defensive formations and blitzes are far more complex at the NFL level. All of this takes time to learn.

So I'm wondering? You going to throw these guys under the bus if they don't meet your minimum 10 wins and call it a bad draft class? What are you going to do when you realize that this team is young and is going to take some seasoning before they really compete? When you realize that of the 9 players we drafted, we'll be lucky if even a single one performs at a high level in year one and maybe two? What are you going to do when you realize no draft class in history ever worked out the way you expect these guys to work out ever.

When are you going to have a realistic view of young rookie team with two rookie tackles, two former back up QBs playing QB who are going to have their hands full managing a rookie O-line, and playing in an extremely tough division with three other playoff teams in it?

Why do you need this team to have a minimum of 10 wins when they're this young? I don't get it.

Need ? I enjoy having my team win every possible time they can . But this is a prognostication. Like the OP it’s a sleeping giant . Way more talent than the rating and a humongous favor getting to play the guy that blew it up week 1. Seattle’s better than the lazy talking heads think and Denver is worse . But winning breeds winning . I see a 10 win team . With DK that’s my baseline . Without that’s the ceiling in 2022. It’s a prediction . If I’m wrong oh well I get disappointed and called a fool in the forum . If I’m right everyone will say they saw it all along anyway . GO Hawks!

You can tell we had a solid draft when you hear from the various media outlets different players from our draft class who were "steals of the draft"...beginning with Abe Lucas and including Coby Bryant and Bo Melton...and many raves about "Sweet Feet" Charles Cross/Boye Mafe/Kenneth Walker III...and some strong upside for Tyreke Smith. We probably offer the best secondary coaches in the NFL (Pete/Sean Desai/Karl Scott) and they've been given a gifted "project" (Tariq Woolen) to mold and shape into a future shutdown corner of nightmarish proportions. The only guy seldom mentioned is our last draft selection ...Dareke Young:

Wayne Cavadi | NCAA.com | May 5, 2022

Perhaps no DII football draft prospect had more eyes on him entering the season than Young. With the success his former teammate Dugger has had in New England, Young's name was in draft circle conversations as early as the 2020 season. He played sparingly last spring and only five games last fall, but all you need to do is look at the Mars Hill game on Sept. 25 to see why he's so special. He reeled in 160 yards on eight receptions with three touchdowns. Earlier in his career, Young showed off his ability in the running game as well as a return man, indicating that he can begin contributing at the next level immediately.

Listed at 6-foot-3 and 220 pounds, Young is super quick and athletic, but also showed in Lenoir-Rhyne's run-heavy offense that he is an asset in the blocking game.

"Dareke Young will have a great chance to make the roster and be a contributor as a rookie because of his speed and athleticism, but it will be his versatility that will make him stand out.," said D2Football's Chuck Bitner who has spent a lot of time around the SAC in his years. "He has the size and strength to make contested catches, the speed and agility to make defenders miss in the open field, and the vision to break loose on kick returns. He can fit in as a wide out, contribute in the running game, and will be a huge asset for special teams. Seattle feels like a perfect fit for him. Pete Carroll will find ways to take advantage of his diverse skill set."

This draft infusion was the result of our GM and coaches influences and we benfited from a deep draft due to a covid allowance (that allowed many to return to college rather than be selected in the 2021 draft class) and our high draft choices and extra Denver picks/NY Jets pick allowed excellent "cherry picking" from our draft team. We "killed it"! Go Hawks

tarlhawk wrote:You can tell we had a solid draft when you hear from the various media outlets different players from our draft class who were "steals of the draft"...beginning with Abe Lucas and including Coby Bryant and Bo Melton...and many raves about "Sweet Feet" Charles Cross/Boye Mafe/Kenneth Walker III...and some strong upside for Tyreke Smith. We probably offer the best secondary coaches in the NFL (Pete/Sean Desai/Karl Scott) and they've been given a gifted "project" (Tariq Woolen) to mold and shape into a future shutdown corner of nightmarish proportions. The only guy seldom mentioned is our last draft selection ...Dareke Young:

Wayne Cavadi | NCAA.com | May 5, 2022

Perhaps no DII football draft prospect had more eyes on him entering the season than Young. With the success his former teammate Dugger has had in New England, Young's name was in draft circle conversations as early as the 2020 season. He played sparingly last spring and only five games last fall, but all you need to do is look at the Mars Hill game on Sept. 25 to see why he's so special. He reeled in 160 yards on eight receptions with three touchdowns. Earlier in his career, Young showed off his ability in the running game as well as a return man, indicating that he can begin contributing at the next level immediately.

Listed at 6-foot-3 and 220 pounds, Young is super quick and athletic, but also showed in Lenoir-Rhyne's run-heavy offense that he is an asset in the blocking game.

"Dareke Young will have a great chance to make the roster and be a contributor as a rookie because of his speed and athleticism, but it will be his versatility that will make him stand out.," said D2Football's Chuck Bitner who has spent a lot of time around the SAC in his years. "He has the size and strength to make contested catches, the speed and agility to make defenders miss in the open field, and the vision to break loose on kick returns. He can fit in as a wide out, contribute in the running game, and will be a huge asset for special teams. Seattle feels like a perfect fit for him. Pete Carroll will find ways to take advantage of his diverse skill set."

This draft infusion was the result of our GM and coaches influences and we benfited from a deep draft due to a covid allowance (that allowed many to return to college rather than be selected in the 2021 draft class) and our high draft choices and extra Denver picks/NY Jets pick allowed excellent "cherry picking" from our draft team. We "killed it"! Go Hawks

Nobody really will know for a few years how good a draft we had.
There is a lot of potential, but these are the same types of people who said we had the worst draft of they year in 2012 when we selected Wagner and Wilson amongst others.
All drafts are best viewed in the rear view mirror.

It might be a few years or maybe not . You point out 12 and several guys including Wilson and wags were outstanding immediately. Irvin could play damn well although so many rag on him as a bad pick . I remember a couple of undersized linebackers named Lofa Tutupu and Leroy Hill who were pretty good right away . Why so many on this forum prefer doom and gloom over optimism is confusing to me.

Hawktawk wrote:It might be a few years or maybe not . You point out 12 and several guys including Wilson and wags were outstanding immediately. Irvin could play damn well although so many rag on him as a bad pick . I remember a couple of undersized linebackers named Lofa Tutupu and Leroy Hill who were pretty good right away . Why so many on this forum prefer doom and gloom over optimism is confusing to me.

Irvin didn't play well right away. He had one game, vs. the Packers as I recall, and with the benefit of full throated 12's, where he racked up a bunch of sacks, but other than that, his rookie year was rather dismal. When he replaced an injured Nate Clemmons at the LEO position he was supposed to eventually fill, he got abused like a rag doll, looked like he was wearing roller skates. He eventually turned into a decent situational player, but never lived up to expectations that come with a top 15 pick as we did not even offer him a 2nd contract. Not a full fledged bust, but a huge disappointment considering who we bypassed to select him.

Lofa and Hill did play well fairly quickly, but if you're having to go back some 15+ years to find an example, it shows you just how rare it is for a rookie to come in and contribute immediately.

Sleeping giant lol! Are they outta their minds! the boys in Vegas do not lose money, the over under on the Hawks is 5, bet the under, the over under on the Broncos is 10.5 bet the over, period.

obiken wrote:Sleeping giant lol! Are they outta their minds! the boys in Vegas do not lose money, the over under on the Hawks is 5, bet the under, the over under on the Broncos is 10.5 bet the over, period.

Over under or not we are beating motor mouth mini mouse and the donkeys @ss week 1. Maybe a blowout . Not predicting it but won’t be surprised . I’ll be surprised if let’s ride has a winning record there .
Vegas doesn’t lose but they get it quite wrong sometimes . This will be one of those times .

tarlhawk wrote:You can tell we had a solid draft when you hear from the various media outlets different players from our draft class who were "steals of the draft"...beginning with Abe Lucas and including Coby Bryant and Bo Melton...and many raves about "Sweet Feet" Charles Cross/Boye Mafe/Kenneth Walker III...and some strong upside for Tyreke Smith. We probably offer the best secondary coaches in the NFL (Pete/Sean Desai/Karl Scott) and they've been given a gifted "project" (Tariq Woolen) to mold and shape into a future shutdown corner of nightmarish proportions. The only guy seldom mentioned is our last draft selection ...Dareke Young:

Wayne Cavadi | NCAA.com | May 5, 2022

Perhaps no DII football draft prospect had more eyes on him entering the season than Young. With the success his former teammate Dugger has had in New England, Young's name was in draft circle conversations as early as the 2020 season. He played sparingly last spring and only five games last fall, but all you need to do is look at the Mars Hill game on Sept. 25 to see why he's so special. He reeled in 160 yards on eight receptions with three touchdowns. Earlier in his career, Young showed off his ability in the running game as well as a return man, indicating that he can begin contributing at the next level immediately.

Listed at 6-foot-3 and 220 pounds, Young is super quick and athletic, but also showed in Lenoir-Rhyne's run-heavy offense that he is an asset in the blocking game.

"Dareke Young will have a great chance to make the roster and be a contributor as a rookie because of his speed and athleticism, but it will be his versatility that will make him stand out.," said D2Football's Chuck Bitner who has spent a lot of time around the SAC in his years. "He has the size and strength to make contested catches, the speed and agility to make defenders miss in the open field, and the vision to break loose on kick returns. He can fit in as a wide out, contribute in the running game, and will be a huge asset for special teams. Seattle feels like a perfect fit for him. Pete Carroll will find ways to take advantage of his diverse skill set."

This draft infusion was the result of our GM and coaches influences and we benfited from a deep draft due to a covid allowance (that allowed many to return to college rather than be selected in the 2021 draft class) and our high draft choices and extra Denver picks/NY Jets pick allowed excellent "cherry picking" from our draft team. We "killed it"! Go Hawks

I like this draft class for sure. Two tackles, a RB, two fifth round CBS that look about as promising as it gets in the 5th round, a quality DE prospect. This was a very solid draft and use of draft capital. I look forward to seeing them develop. See who will take it to the next level and make an NFL career. Glad to see they took what they got for Russ and at least used it intelligently. No weird risky picks. Just very solid picks in every round.