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Current review of existing Offensive groups (Quarterbacks) and draft prospects:

Coaching
Offensive Coordinator- (Shane Waldron) Experience: 8 years
Senior Offensive Assistant (Nate Carroll) Experience: 10 years
Quarterbacks (Dave Canales) Experience: 11 years

This is probably the most critical influence on our 2022 outcomes as well as having a significant impact on our 2023 Draft targets. We felt no need to "panic" as evidenced by our minimal pursuit (lack of pursuit actually) of 2022 QB class/outside QB efforts.
This is new territory for our team (Very poor ability to overcome 2021 season obstacles) coupled with a departing "stabilizer"/Rebound Hope QB (Russell Wilson).

This puts Pete Carroll and John Schneider under the spotlight ...and bear the heavy burden of "damage control". If Damage Control efforts fail...the ship sinks. The 2022 Draft "repaired our sails" but our "rudder" damage threatens to run us aground.

Quarterbacks are one of the few individual team positions who bear the stress of inspiring a team when the chips are down. Their confidence and skills have to set the ceiling for a team's seasonal hopes. Fortunately they have one of the strongest confidence building coaches in the NFL and an emerging offensive playcalling strategy that should provide some comfort in its execution aided by a very strong cadre of play makers. If the Defense improves the way its potential offers...then more opportunities for offensive play calling should be the result.

Other than age and experience there are more similarities than contrasts between Drew Lock and Geno Smith. Both come from disappointing past opportunities and for whatever the reason both showed an early propensity to get in trouble with ball control (Interceptions)

Their strengths give either/both an opportunity to take advantage of a "second chance". Both have "prototype" height and strong arm execution(often shown by far hashmark to opposite sideline throws with zip). Decision making seems quick enough when offensive rhythm and flow are evident. Both have mobility to escape non extreme pocket collapse with an ability to throw on the move. There is potential to utilize the "middle of the field" crossing routes which strong NFL offenses enjoy.

A new but experienced center gives neither QB an advantage over familiarity but snaps from center not expected to generate undue focus from the QB thus allowing more pre-snap quick reads as the QB comes under center.

A robust running back tandem should counter a Defenses ability to pin back its ears and charge recklessly. The play making receivers are confidence builders and as a whole should provide many quick read opportunities with many mismatches existing even on finding "check down" targets.

Each QB already has a trusted freaky athletic target...Geno trusts DK and Drew has the fortune of having Noah Fant arriving in the same trade. The "early" edge has Geno due to familiarity with several pre-seasons and seasons of learning our expected offense holding a slight advantage...but if Drew shows an early propensity to make bad pass choices...that slight advantage will grow for Geno.


Strengths (5 superlatives) with 2 scouted distractions

Geno Smith (QB 6'3" 221 Age31 yrs)

Calm, cool, collected when forced to move off his spot and reset his feet, Smith's footwork and mechanics don’t break down under pressure, as his feet and shoulders continuously relocate and reset while scanning for open targets.

Smith’s ability to progress through multiple options without panicking enable routes to develop separation downfield and showcases his poise and patience in the pocket. He will confidently step up into throwing lanes, displaying awareness of the rush and pocket presence.

Reading and reacting to coverage post snap very well, Smith locates spots and holes in the defense, through which he releases the football with trust and anticipation to throw his receivers open.

Able to climb the pocket to avoid speed rushers, Smith more importantly, does an excellent job of keeping focus downfield and resetting his feet to throw.

By consistently getting good depth on his drop backs, Smith makes the most of his upfront protection.

Weaknesses: Two Detractions
Don't confuse Smith with Robert Griffin III or Colin Kaepernick, though. He only gained 342 yards on the ground in his four years at West Virginia and is much more like Andrew Luck in that he's always looking to make a play downfield.

If Smith is going to utilize his above-average speed and excellent athleticism in the NFL, he'll need to be more decisive when he sees an opportunity to take off and run


Drew Lock (QB 6'4" 228 Age25 yrs)

Three-year starter with big arm strength and a downfield gunslinger mentality.

The best deep-ball thrower in the 2019 draft class, with excellent power to launch the ball vertically and the touch to lead the receiver to daylight. More accurate throwing deep than he is short.

Shows excellent downfield anticipation; will let the ball fly before his receiver breaks or clears coverage and lets them make a play on it.

Missouri offense demanded him to read the entire field post-snap, and he's showed the ability to hang in the pocket or move to get through progressions quickly.

Offers good pocket mobility with enough athleticism to pick up yardage as a runner; slides well within the pocket and will sprint out to evade pressure. Throws easily on the run, with the ability to adjust his arm angle to get the ball out.

Weaknesses: Two detractions

Production dropped from 44 touchdowns in 2017 to 28 in 2018 after offensive coordinator Josh Heupel left for UCF. Concerns that his breakout 2017 season were more scheme than talent.

Loves to make throws on the run but loses his mechanics while doing so. Doesn't square his shoulders to the target, doesn't get his hips or feet around and relies solely on his arm strength to power the throw, which leads to scattershot accuracy.

That breakdown on Geno sounds better then some garbage backup with no chance of starting . It’s what I saw , strong live arm, eyes always downfield , fearless to release the ball and get hit in the mouth . Almost too comfortable in the pocket . My biggest negative is his arrest . Shows a lack of judgement that if it’s a trend could derail he and the Seahawks if he’s trusted in the role .
I’m really getting excited about Locke . The weapons in Seattle may fit his game perfectly .

My biggest negative with Geno is he was already given the chance to start and has been in the league 8 years unable to take a starting job. Old tarlhawk here is stating what he saw how? In the 3 games he played for us? Or the 38 games he played prior to coming to Seattle? To me Geno is a clearly known quantity that is a decent backup QB that we can't rely on to win more than a few games here and there in short-term duty. He went 1-2 during his three game stint which in the minds of I guess a few Seattle fans has made him look far better than he is for some reason. I'm completely fine with Geno as a backup QB, but any expectations of equaling Russell or taking us on a playoff run is pure HS to me.

Drew Lock I don't know anything about. Maybe he'll surprise me. It doesn't seem like he's much more than a backup at this point. I can't see why Denver would have traded him for Russ if he was anywhere near to starter quality. But since I don't know anything bout Lock, I can relax and see what he can do with no expectations. He's a complete unknown. I'm not going to waste my time pretending I know how to do film study to determine how good a guy is. Only way Lock proves a thing to me is winning games in dog fights, which we will be in a lot next year. That's what will decide the starter. Starter win dog fights. Back ups lose them to starting QBs.

What separates a starter from a back up in my book is consistent production and winning tight games more often than not. That's why real starters take you to the playoffs and compete because they can win those dogfights or just go on a crazy productive game where you massively outscore your opponent. Backups play catchup the entire game then flame out in the 4th quarter consistently showing why they aren't starters and racking up more losses than wins.

That's how we'll see if Lock can maybe be a starter or not and why Geno never made it as a starter.

Aseahawkfan wrote:My biggest negative with Geno is he was already given the chance to start and has been in the league 8 years unable to take a starting job. Old tarlhawk here is stating what he saw how? In the 3 games he played for us? Or the 38 games he played prior to coming to Seattle? To me Geno is a clearly known quantity that is a decent backup QB that we can't rely on to win more than a few games here and there in short-term duty. He went 1-2 during his three game stint which in the minds of I guess a few Seattle fans has made him look far better than he is for some reason. I'm completely fine with Geno as a backup QB, but any expectations of equaling Russell or taking us on a playoff run is pure HS to me.

Drew Lock I don't know anything about. Maybe he'll surprise me. It doesn't seem like he's much more than a backup at this point. I can't see why Denver would have traded him for Russ if he was anywhere near to starter quality. But since I don't know anything bout Lock, I can relax and see what he can do with no expectations. He's a complete unknown. I'm not going to waste my time pretending I know how to do film study to determine how good a guy is. Only way Lock proves a thing to me is winning games in dog fights, which we will be in a lot next year. That's what will decide the starter. Starter win dog fights. Back ups lose them to starting QBs.

What separates a starter from a back up in my book is consistent production and winning tight games more often than not. That's why real starters take you to the playoffs and compete because they can win those dogfights or just go on a crazy productive game where you massively outscore your opponent. Backups play catchup the entire game then flame out in the 4th quarter consistently showing why they aren't starters and racking up more losses than wins.

That's how we'll see if Lock can maybe be a starter or not and why Geno never made it as a starter.

Obviously tarihawk and I and Carroll and JS are focusing on his performance here. He was a gangster wanna be with a posse who got drafted by the Jets didn't put in the time training or studying , lost the locker room to the point he got his jaw broken by a linebacker in the locker room. he never started for the jets again. His only other experience was playing on a horrible team in the giants who had benched Eli. And even that was 5 years ago. His first serious action in 5 years with no warning at all was a 98 yard surgical drive against the world champs capped by a perfect dime to DK. I'm gonna stop right there other than to say it dont matter if you never heard of it before . The man improved his game greatly here and played enough against really good defenses to say it was a trend. If it wasn't for you know who we might have a better idea but 2011-2012 Geno doesn't exist anymore. If it reappears hes gone. Its that easy. My main point is if they did it for Geno why cant they do it for Locke too. the skill sets are extremely similar as is the early career struggles.

Geno is just a hedge in case Lock isn’t what they think he is, but both are caretakers
at QB until a Franchise QB can be found.

What’s an organization going to say “These guys aren’t very good but we’re going with them anyway”?

Pete has no intention to trade Wilson and lose a ten year debate . He’s got a guy 31 years old who played well in Waldron’s system and a guy whose 25 years old with maybe the biggest arm in the league . He and I believe with the skill pieces we have and the Waldron offense we don’t need a superstar QB to win . As I say it got Goff to a super bowl . We weren’t winning last year . That was our bad year.this will be better .

What 10 year debate?

We don’t know what Waldron’s system is.
He ran Pete’s Offense last year. Will Waldron follow McVay’s system? Will he have his own
version? Will he be like Josh McDaniels and tailor his Offense to the talent he has?
We don’t know yet, so it’s premature to suggest any type of success or failure.
However if history is any indication we will see more of the same that we’ve seen for
the last 12 years.

Hawktawk wrote:Obviously tarihawk and I and Carroll and JS are focusing on his performance here. He was a gangster wanna be with a posse who got drafted by the Jets didn't put in the time training or studying , lost the locker room to the point he got his jaw broken by a linebacker in the locker room. he never started for the jets again. His only other experience was playing on a horrible team in the giants who had benched Eli. And even that was 5 years ago. His first serious action in 5 years with no warning at all was a 98 yard surgical drive against the world champs capped by a perfect dime to DK. I'm gonna stop right there other than to say it dont matter if you never heard of it before . The man improved his game greatly here and played enough against really good defenses to say it was a trend. If it wasn't for you know who we might have a better idea but 2011-2012 Geno doesn't exist anymore. If it reappears hes gone. Its that easy. My main point is if they did it for Geno why cant they do it for Locke too. the skill sets are extremely similar as is the early career struggles.

You're just cherry picking stats to paint some kind of positive out of trading a franchise QB ignoring all the terrible movies and all the people Carroll has been throwing under the bus as this team fell apart under John and Pete after the second Super Bowl loss. Just an excuse maker for Pete and John's team management failure like we all can't see the team is no longer playoff competitive as we get ousted every year since 2014 and finally didn't even make it.

Aseahawkfan wrote:You're just cherry picking stats to paint some kind of positive out of trading a franchise QB ignoring all the terrible movies and all the people Carroll has been throwing under the bus as this team fell apart under John and Pete after the second Super Bowl loss. Just an excuse maker for Pete and John's team management failure like we all can't see the team is no longer playoff competitive as we get ousted every year since 2014 and finally didn't even make it.

If our NFC West Division is considered the toughest...in comparing our teams successes to them leaves your argument of "team fell apart after 2014" rings a bit hollow. Only the Saints Packers and Ravens have been comparable in wins/playoff visits. From 2015 -2021 the Saints won 72 games (2 losing seasons)with 4 playoffs...the Packers won 72 Games (2 losing seasons) with 5 playoffs...the Ravens won 65 games (2 losing seasons) with 3 playoff invites...while our Seahawks won 69 games (2021 only losing season in that span) and 5 playoff visits...yet Pete and John's management "failure" is your gripe?

Just having an elite QB who signed a contract extension in 2015 (and the cap hits began)...starts the "clock running" on team impact. That great young power defense got older and started cashing in on expensive 2nd contracts...with high paid free agents thrown in...all without consequence? Our continual winning had no consequences on draft selection or "waiting in line" for choice waiver claims??

You paint a dark picture to suit your dismissal of PC/JS as if you make a point in doing it? I'm not "sticking up for PC/JS" but I am defying your "blame game"...one fans opinion to another fans opinion.

tarlhawk wrote:You're just cherry picking stats to paint some kind of positive out of trading a franchise QB ignoring all the terrible movies and all the people Carroll has been throwing under the bus as this team fell apart under John and Pete after the second Super Bowl loss. Just an excuse maker for Pete and John's team management failure like we all can't see the team is no longer playoff competitive as we get ousted every year since 2014 and finally didn't even make it.

If our NFC West Division is considered the toughest...in comparing our teams successes to them leaves your argument of "team fell apart after 2014" rings a bit hollow. Only the Saints Packers and Ravens have been comparable in wins/playoff visits. From 2015 -2021 the Saints won 72 games (2 losing seasons)with 4 playoffs...the Packers won 72 Games (2 losing seasons) with 5 playoffs...the Ravens won 65 games (2 losing seasons) with 3 playoff invites...while our Seahawks won 69 games (2021 only losing season in that span) and 5 playoff visits...yet Pete and John's management "failure" is your gripe?

Just having an elite QB who signed a contract extension in 2015 (and the cap hits began)...starts the "clock running" on team impact. That great young power defense got older and started cashing in on expensive 2nd contracts...with high paid free agents thrown in...all without consequence? Our continual winning had no consequences on draft selection or "waiting in line" for choice waiver claims??

You paint a dark picture to suit your dismissal of PC/JS as if you make a point in doing it? I'm not "sticking up for PC/JS" but I am defying your "blame game"...one fans opinion to another fans opinion.

He will reply it was all Russ after 2014 winning with a garbage team around him . But for some reason the playoff losses are not his fault . JS and PC have proven when given high draft order they have been excellent . And they have drafted so many gems in lower rounds . People want to tear down our coach while they pine for someone who quit on Seattle .

Bad "conversation" is like watching a bad television program...countering a freely given opinion is akin to yelling at the tv...just change the channel.

You two just can't get past the idea that this regime has let the Seahawks fall from one of the most talented teams to one of the least talented teams.
The vaunted Defense of the LoB has now become one of the worst in the NFL. The Offense which has never been allowed to be great has lost its best
player. We are now in a rebuild mode whether you like it or not and there really is little hope for the next couple of years of getting out of this rut
caused by bad drafts and worse trades.

So where are we now with QBs?
We are in a holding pattern until we can find the next Franchise QB who can lead us out of the quagmire this regime has got us into.
Neither Lock nor Geno are long term answers so we will have to hope we find a QB with a real future in the next couple of drafts.
That's the bottom line.

I got a chuckle out of what Pete Carroll said about Drew Lock:

"I think he'd have been the first guy picked (in the 2022 draft), of quarterbacks anyway. He'd have been the first guy in this draft. I don't have any hesitation saying that," Carroll said, via Pro Football Talk.

"The first look at Drew, he's really athletic, he's really a confident athlete, you can see he's got a lot of body control, he's got quick feet, he's got a quick arm, he's got various ways he can release the football as his body's in different positions," Carroll said. "He's got a real knack there. He's got a strong arm, he can throw the ball a mile down the field. He compares to Geno, and Geno Smith has a great arm. He has a world-class arm, and all that. To match up with that, that's saying a lot."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ten- ... -and-more/

I wonder how long until Pete says "We're going to build around Drew! The man is full of more 'stuff' that a Christmas turkey.

Both Geno and Locke indeed have extremely powerful arms . I was surprised by Genos arm strength frankly . Ball goes out on a rope although not all the different shapes Wilson could throw in his prime . Like DK said “ I’ve never had a ball like that “

Locke quite simply has the most powerful arm I’ve seen . He threw a ball 70 yards at the combine . I don’t envy receivers catching his balls he throws so hard . He has accuracy issues . So did Geno . Geno demonstrated great accuracy in his 3 starts posting 72% and 80% completion %. If they coach up Locke like that we’re set for 10 years .

Maybe neither of the guys is gonna be worth a damn but Carrol is absolutely right about their arms . Probably about Locke going first too . It was the worst qb draft in decades .

Hawktawk wrote:Both Geno and Locke indeed have extremely powerful arms . I was surprised by Genos arm strength frankly . Ball goes out on a rope although not all the different shapes Wilson could throw in his prime . Like DK said “ I’ve never had a ball like that “

Locke quite simply has the most powerful arm I’ve seen . He threw a ball 70 yards at the combine . I don’t envy receivers catching his balls he throws so hard . He has accuracy issues . So did Geno . Geno demonstrated great accuracy in his 3 starts posting 72% and 80% completion %. If they coach up Locke like that we’re set for 10 years .

Maybe neither of the guys is gonna be worth a damn but Carrol is absolutely right about their arms . Probably about Locke going first too . It was the worst qb draft in decades .

If you ignore Lock's time with the Broncos, then maybe he would have been a first round selection. But to say that he would have been drafted in the first round knowing what we do about his pro experience is truly laughable.

RiverDog wrote:If you ignore Lock's time with the Broncos, then maybe he would have been a first round selection. But to say that he would have been drafted in the first round knowing what we do about his pro experience is truly laughable.

Thats not what was actually said. Pete stated (and some draft geeks who have come around to consider that Drew maybe got a "bad shake" in his Denver experience have shared this same view) that if Drew Lock had been in the 2022 class he would have been considered the best QB of this "weak class"...not as a 1rst rd pick but as the first QB drafted potential.

Since Pittsburgh took a QB in the 1rst rd...you can infer that might convey being first round talent...but not actually stated that way.

RiverDog wrote:If you ignore Lock's time with the Broncos, then maybe he would have been a first round selection. But to say that he would have been drafted in the first round knowing what we do about his pro experience is truly laughable.

tarlhawk wrote:Thats not what was actually said. Pete stated (and some draft geeks who have come around to consider that Drew maybe got a "bad shake" in his Denver experience have shared this same view) that if Drew Lock had been in the 2022 class he would have been considered the best QB of this "weak class"...not as a 1rst rd pick but as the first QB drafted potential.

Since Pittsburgh took a QB in the 1rst rd...you can infer that might convey being first round talent...but not actually stated that way.

There's not much to infer in that statement. From the same interview:

Carroll said on Sports Radio KJR that Lock — who went to the Broncos with the 42nd pick in the 2019 draft — would have been chosen ahead of first-round pick Kenny Pickett or any other quarterback in the 2022 draft.

The other thing is that by adding in the "anyway" when he said "of quarterbacks anyway", he's suggesting that he might have been a #1 overall. When you couple that statement with the fact that Pickett was taken with the #20 overall, there is little doubt that Pete believes, or at least says he believes, that Lock has or had top half of the first round talent.

It's typical Pete B.S., blowing smoke. That's why I have a hard time taking what Pete says about his players seriously. He pumps them up like he's their agent.

tarlhawk wrote:If our NFC West Division is considered the toughest...in comparing our teams successes to them leaves your argument of "team fell apart after 2014" rings a bit hollow. Only the Saints Packers and Ravens have been comparable in wins/playoff visits. From 2015 -2021 the Saints won 72 games (2 losing seasons)with 4 playoffs...the Packers won 72 Games (2 losing seasons) with 5 playoffs...the Ravens won 65 games (2 losing seasons) with 3 playoff invites...while our Seahawks won 69 games (2021 only losing season in that span) and 5 playoff visits...yet Pete and John's management "failure" is your gripe?

Just having an elite QB who signed a contract extension in 2015 (and the cap hits began)...starts the "clock running" on team impact. That great young power defense got older and started cashing in on expensive 2nd contracts...with high paid free agents thrown in...all without consequence? Our continual winning had no consequences on draft selection or "waiting in line" for choice waiver claims??

You paint a dark picture to suit your dismissal of PC/JS as if you make a point in doing it? I'm not "sticking up for PC/JS" but I am defying your "blame game"...one fans opinion to another fans opinion.

I don't paint a dark picture. There is no dark picture. Something bad happens to your family, that's a dark picture. Your football team has a few bad years due to the shelf life of the head coach running out, that's just an expected part of the game. It's just part of the regular ebbs and flows of NFL teams. Every NFL team in history goes through these periods. I'm expecting a down period for a while because Pete Carroll, the greatest Seahawks coach to ever lead the team, has reached the point where the magic is spent and he's done it as well as he can possibly do it, but reaching the mountain top a second time is unlikely.

It has nothing to do with Pete Ball or Pete being a bad coach or any of that stuff. For whatever reason the NFL pattern even for the coaching greats like Pete is to run out of steam. If Pete can rebuild the team after trading away the franchise QB into a Super Bowl contender, he will be in uncharted territory. If he does that, great. If he doesn't, oh well, no one else has ever done it either.

There is no blame. Pete's just reached a point where achieving the legendary level he achieved is nigh impossible. It's likely time to move on to the next guy with the fire, energy, and vision to spend to make the magic happen again. Maybe that is what Pete is setting up Clint Hurrt for as it seems to me Pete is aware and setting up his successor.

It's hard to do what Carroll did even once, much less twice, with the same team. Carroll has done it to the highest level in college and in the pros. So he's spent his entire life to make magic happen two times for two different teams. That's more than most coaches do in their lives.

I'm expecting a few down years, maybe more, then hopefully we find a new guy or this Clint Hurtt guy proves to be the new guy and we rise up again. The NFL is built to work like this and we're at that point in the ebb and flow of the NFL.

I don't know why this is so hard for some fans to accept. It's like Seattle has had such a great period of NFL football, they forgot how this all works and how many down years we had before Carroll arrived. Up and down years used to just be part of being a Seattle fan, now we got fans who think the party never ends and it's easy to get back to because....no real reason given.

I haven't forgotten how this works. I'm expecting a couple of down years like when Carroll first got here as we rebuild, reload, replensih, whatever the hell you want to call it and see who can step up to make it happen.

A group of fans pretending there won't be any down periods after trading away your franchise QB, cutting your veteran defensive leader, and the like isn't going to lead to some down years is not what I buy into. We're heading for a down period and strong move to replenish young, undeveloped talent we hope will lead to a stronger playoff era in the future. But you gotta take lumps to get to the promised land again same as we've had to do with every single playoff era we've ever had.

Aseahawkfan I apologize for my "tone" ...I have recently been expressing the likelihood of 2024 being the year for being more engaged in playoff expectations.

WalterFootball (source)
The top 2012 quarterback prospects available for the 2012 NFL Draft. * - denotes 2013 prospect. ** - denotes 2014 prospect.
This page was last updated April 24, 2012.

By Charlie Campbell.

Wilson led Wisconsin to the Big Ten Title and a spot in the Rose Bowl. He had a stellar senior season in his one-year at Madison. Wilson completed 73 percent of his passes for 3,175 yards with 33 touchdowns and four interceptions. He also ran for 464 yards and six touchdowns. Compared to playing at North Carolina State in his first three seasons, Wilson had a much better supporting cast, along with one of the best running games in the country.

RW's height painted him as a mid round draft selection...he was ranked number 9 prospect by this source. I have not chosen Pete over Russell...instead I viewed a mutual benefit between Pete and Russell and respected both as strong potential to renew my time investment as a fan. I started to get some observed insight on Pete as being true about competition...and not just positive spin or catchy mantra. Russell's enthusiasm became more and more realistic as he delivered on the field...I felt Russell's "perceived" alignment with management angered some defense egos...perhaps tension in the locker room...but that was perception/speculation creating first impressions.

I "came onboard" as a Seahawk fan in 2010 when Pete Carroll and John Schneider caught my attention in their first draft(watching ESPN draft coverage was always fascinating with story lines). I had lived "in the area" since 1984ish but my Seahawk interest let alone NFL interest had waned due to my job demands...I did catch the 2005 Super Bowl game on television but came away slightly embittered in suspect referee involvement.

Sure our talent base puts us in the perpetual "underdog" expectation but many intangibles at play hasn't left me with a sense of being fated/doomed. I watch movies hopeful of happy endings...and my NFL entertainment is in the same vein. Go Hawks

tarlhawk wrote:Aseahawkfan I apologize for my "tone" ...I have recently been expressing the likelihood of 2024 being the year for being more engaged in playoff expectations.

WalterFootball (source)
The top 2012 quarterback prospects available for the 2012 NFL Draft. * - denotes 2013 prospect. ** - denotes 2014 prospect.
This page was last updated April 24, 2012.

By Charlie Campbell.

Wilson led Wisconsin to the Big Ten Title and a spot in the Rose Bowl. He had a stellar senior season in his one-year at Madison. Wilson completed 73 percent of his passes for 3,175 yards with 33 touchdowns and four interceptions. He also ran for 464 yards and six touchdowns. Compared to playing at North Carolina State in his first three seasons, Wilson had a much better supporting cast, along with one of the best running games in the country.

RW's height painted him as a mid round draft selection...he was ranked number 9 prospect by this source. I have not chosen Pete over Russell...instead I viewed a mutual benefit between Pete and Russell and respected both as strong potential to renew my time investment as a fan. I started to get some observed insight on Pete as being true about competition...and not just positive spin or catchy mantra. Russell's enthusiasm became more and more realistic as he delivered on the field...I felt Russell's "perceived" alignment with management angered some defense egos...perhaps tension in the locker room...but that was perception/speculation creating first impressions.

I "came onboard" as a Seahawk fan in 2010 when Pete Carroll and John Schneider caught my attention in their first draft(watching ESPN draft coverage was always fascinating with story lines). I had lived "in the area" since 1984ish but my Seahawk interest let alone NFL interest had waned due to my job demands...I did catch the 2005 Super Bowl game on television but came away slightly embittered in suspect referee involvement.

Sure our talent base puts us in the perpetual "underdog" expectation but many intangibles at play hasn't left me with a sense of being fated/doomed. I watch movies hopeful of happy endings...and my NFL entertainment is in the same vein. Go Hawks

Hey, Tarl..

Interesting bio on how you became a Seahawk fan. I've been a Hawks fan from the get go, in 1976.

I'm sure that ASF will agree that no one in here owes anyone else an apology for expressing our opinions.

Secondly, looking at your comments above, I am having a difficult time determining which part of your post are your personal comments/opinion and which are the quoted source, ie Walter Football/Charlie Campbell. What I do is highlight the quoted comments then italicize them. Anything in the default text are my comments. Just a friendly suggestion.

The three lines under "by Charlie Campbell" were a short excerpt on a scouting report on RW in 2012 from WalterFootball. All scouting superlatives and detractors for my projected starters in 2022 are from actual scouting reports for the years the player was drafted. I like your idea of how to separate the sources from my opinions/projections...all the other content is my own opinionated input.
Used your advice above. Thanks

tarlhawk wrote:The three lines under "by Charlie Campbell" were a short excerpt on a scouting report on RW in 2012 from WalterFootball. All scouting superlatives and detractors for my projected starters in 2022 are from actual scouting reports for the years the player was drafted. I like your idea of how to separate the sources from my opinions/projections...all the other content is my own opinionated input.
Used your advice above. Thanks

Lots better. If it wasn't for your command of the language and expertise on the subject, I wouldn't have any problem making the distinction between your comments and that of a professional writer.

Thanks!

We missed the playoffs last year with a fading selfish narcissist qb with one foot out the door whose total qbr was even with Tua . Our all world wags unfortunately lost a step accelerating the problem with a defense hung out to dry by above problem qb going 3 and out all game . We lost to Colt McCoy for the second year in a row , nick Foles , Taylor Heinike . Went 0-5 in games decided by 3 or less . Still swept the 9ers and were in every division game in spite of ………
How did we get worse this off season ?
Answer
Between draft , retention , attitude caused by major addition by major subtraction. You don’t sign Penney, Diggs especially , Dissley, clearly plan to sign DK to an extension . Draft another bell cow back . You don’t do that to tank . You don’t do that and say it’s a rebuild . We will win more than Denver . Pete isn’t losing the ten year debate .
Much better next year . Playoff team in 22.

I think Bobby Wagners release was sudden due to the Russell Wilson trade since our team incurred a big financial hit due to RW still having an active contract (26 Million "dead money" impacted our 2022 salary cap). With Wagner being his own agent it complicated the timing in this day of "instant feedback". I wasn't afforded a sigh of relief until the re-signings of Quandre Diggs/Sidney Jones/Rashaad Penny had occurred.

I don't think Bobby's release had anything at all to do with Wilson, I think it was planned since the construction of the contract. They knew that he was never going to play that last year. Bobby acting as his own agent may have played a hand in the clumsy handling of his release but considering the importance of Bobby to this team and it's fan base that is no excuse. The front office botched it and the blame is theirs alone.

c_hawkbob wrote:I don't think Bobby's release had anything at all to do with Wilson, I think it was planned since the construction of the contract. They knew that he was never going to play that last year. Bobby acting as his own agent may have played a hand in the clumsy handling of his release but considering the importance of Bobby to this team and it's fan base that is no excuse. The front office botched it and the blame is theirs alone.

A respected opinion but that 26 million dead hit compounded the delicacy of asking Bobby to renegotiate his contract...there were too many key players needing re-signed and the timing of restoring some cap maneuvering room could not be ignored...he had no trade restrictions in his contract ...his timed release had nothing to do with Russel's trade? So John Schneider made the best for both parties involved when an impasse became clear...Bobby had the best opportunity to "market himself" instead of being "handcuffed" to a trade.

I think it went down like a Friday night news dump at the White House . I personally suspect Denver was two timing hoping to lure Rodgers. Seems to me it was within hours of Rodgers announcing his decision the Wilson trade was announced . Shortly thereafter Wags was released .get all the bad news out at once. And I’ll never say a bad word about Wagner but I don’t feel too bad for him . I buy that JS and PC had numerous conversations with him , he’s his own agent, he made 20 million year and he was not able to cover or crash downhill any more . Wish it had been cleaner but it’s getting released or retired like everyone does . Not sure he helps the Rams next year other than the locker room

As well, if the Defense is moving towards a 3-4 scheme maybe the FO doesn't think he fits too well and would only play when in a 4-3 formation.
That would mean giving a large amount of money for a part time player.
If he was 5 or 6 years younger it would be a far different story, but nearing the end of careers, the ugly side of pro sports shows up.