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Breaking: FA QB Geno Smith is re-signing with the #Seahawks, per source.

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Hawktalk, don't throw out your back as you're spinning cartwheels!

A one year deal but there are probably ways to get out of it if his off field situation impacts his
ability to play.

championship...

Wow, so $4 mil base pay and $3 mil in incentives. I don't get this one at all. Should've been offered a vet minimum deal and let him walk if he didn't take it. Who else is gonna sign him? I'd rather put the $4 mil toward a starting LT or RT.

govandals wrote:Wow, so $4 mil base pay and $3 mil in incentives. I don't get this one at all. Should've been offered a vet minimum deal and let him walk if he didn't take it. Who else is gonna sign him? I'd rather put the $4 mil toward a starting LT or RT.

Yeah, I don't like giving Geno $4 mil, I would rather see what Lock has at this point. Geno at a veteran minimum makes sense because you lose nothing if he isn't much better than Lock, but Geno starting moves us to mediocracy, which is exactly where we don't want to be and giving him. Geno reminds me of T-Jack best case scenario is maybe a WC berth, but in reality it moves us to mediocracy. Lock is much more of an unknown- If Lock sucks then you get a good pick next year, which lots of ammo to move around and draft the guy you want, if he is mediocre then you didn't waste $4 mil to be exactly where you would have been with Geno anyway, and if he is good then maybe you have a guy you can build around.

govandals wrote:Wow, so $4 mil base pay and $3 mil in incentives. I don't get this one at all. Should've been offered a vet minimum deal and let him walk if he didn't take it. Who else is gonna sign him? I'd rather put the $4 mil toward a starting LT or RT.

mykc14 wrote:Yeah, I don't like giving Geno $4 mil, I would rather see what Lock has at this point. Geno at a veteran minimum makes sense because you lose nothing if he isn't much better than Lock, but Geno starting moves us to mediocracy, which is exactly where we don't want to be and giving him. Geno reminds me of T-Jack best case scenario is maybe a WC berth, but in reality it moves us to mediocracy. Lock is much more of an unknown- If Lock sucks then you get a good pick next year, which lots of ammo to move around and draft the guy you want, if he is mediocre then you didn't waste $4 mil to be exactly where you would have been with Geno anyway, and if he is good then maybe you have a guy you can build around.

Me, three. If there was that kind of a market for Geno, he would have been gone long before now.

Pathetic. I am back to not trusting or believing Carroll’s direction. Foresee a lot of mediocrity in this team’s future. Hope I’m proven drastically wrong. They better draft a stud qb, and it also better not be at pick 9.

Stream Hawk wrote:Pathetic. I am back to not trusting or believing Carroll’s direction. Foresee a lot of mediocrity in this team’s future. Hope I’m proven drastically wrong. They better draft a stud qb, and it also better not be at pick 9.

Obviously it would be great if they found a stud QB this year and that is what we all should hope for, but IMO they won't get a legitimate shot at a QB who can take us to the SB until next year and that clearly isn't guaranteed, which is why you spend that $4 million elsewhere and see what Lock can do- or sign somebody else.

In no way do I want to trade for Mayfield for reasons I have gone over many times here but I would rather much rather trade for him than sign Geno. At least with Mayfield there is a chance he could be our next long-term answer at QB.

Holy cow, you guys! Have some sympathy for our friend Hawktalk! When he finally checks in and reads some of our comments about the Geno signing, he's going to do a header off the top of the Space Needle.

RiverDog wrote:Holy cow, you guys! Have some sympathy for our friend Hawktalk! When he finally checks in and reads some of our comments about the Geno signing, he's going to do a header off the top of the Space Needle.

Well well well. Not only signed but can make up to 7 million with incentives. If hes our opening day starter I'm not worried about anything but maybe eating crow. Maybe. The stats did not lie. He did some really good things, some remarkable things and if they are paying that much there had to be other teams that showed some interest for them to basically triple his deal. eat the crow people unless this is just another junk signing by the garbage FO with the second most wins the last decade PCand JS agree with me.
And hey north his off field issue isn't going to affect him one bit if you look around the league and I dont think they signed him to "get out" of anything. For now argument over boys and girls . We haver a winner. Me.
I want nothing to do with Mayfield after listening to him over the last couple weeks. Hes an undersized mouthy attention WH@Re.

This signing tells me they aren't signing him anyway. Had this been the standard 1.5 million deal for Geno maybe but I truly think they are gonna give Geno a shot to start for the Seattle Seahawks.

Frankly I hope Locke beats him out. Locke has by far the highest physical upside having watched film on him. His issue was turnovers. So was Genos before he showed up in Seattle. Lets see. My preferred starting lineup is #1 Locke because it means a mountain of a man with Josh Allen size and physical attributes with a hose arm got a lot better in camp because Geno aint bad anymore and will be tough to beat out if he plays like Jax or Pittsburgh or 4th quarter Rams. Second is Geno. perfectly comfortable if hes the starter. Third draft a guy and be right like 10 years ago.

I'm trusting in PC and JS. anyone who thinks they plan to trade Russell Wilson and then go in the cellar and lose a ten year argument is delusional. Not saying it wont happen but its definitely not the plan and I haven't thought it for a minute..
And River my man its TAWK. HAWKTAWK.
Not Talk although there was a dude with that handle a while back which I felt was pretty bush league with me already on the forum.
Bring it on people. Genos got the rag on and I'm pulling for him along with everyone else who wants to be here and prove a point and that's exactly the plan.

RiverDog wrote:Holy cow, you guys! Have some sympathy for our friend Hawktalk! When he finally checks in and reads some of our comments about the Geno signing, he's going to do a header off the top of the Space Needle.

Lol, I will jump in and give this move some love then. It's not the best combo of QB's to head into training camp but about a month ago I did state that my belief was it would be Lock and Geno competing for the starting job and Seahawks fans would lose their minds over it. So I will give myself a mini pat on the back for that.

I am always optimistic, I said in other thread the will and character of a pro athlete are not to be underestimated especially given these circumstances where most will write them off. I am not super confident either one will grab hold of the job and succeed but I am willing to give em a chance. I am super curious to see how this offence can be run with more of a methodical approach under Waldron's system rather than the "playground" offense we had with RW3 that relied on off script big plays (I know that is a bit of exaggeration).

Stream Hawk wrote:Pathetic. I am back to not trusting or believing Carroll’s direction. Foresee a lot of mediocrity in this team’s future. Hope I’m proven drastically wrong. They better draft a stud qb, and it also better not be at pick 9.

4 TDs 251 yards 17 out of 21 with a 151 QBR targeting to DK. Completed 68.5 % of his passes for 700 yards. No picks starting. 131 passing yards, 23 rushing yards and 10 points in the 4th quarter including a 98 yards drive vs the Rams cold off the bench. In his final game he set the 2021 season record besting Arod with 15 completions to open the game in a 20 of 24 performance, 80% completion, 138 QBR in a 31-7 win the week before the heroic Russel forced his way back on the field to help the desperate team only to be shut out by GB and lose his first 3 back..

What's pathetic about Genos play especially comparing it to the 35 million man last year? Is it his looks? off field issues? prior record? hes been with Seattle 3 years now. What is everyone's beef with Geno?

I don't mind the incentive, if he hits it, then he's done something pretty special and deserves it. The base seems high - that's about what Mariota and Foles got last year. But with starting QB salaries now at $50MM+, maybe not.

Agent 86 wrote:
Lol, I will jump in and give this move some love then. It's not the best combo of QB's to head into training camp but about a month ago I did state that my belief was it would be Lock and Geno competing for the starting job and Seahawks fans would lose their minds over it. So I will give myself a mini pat on the back for that.

I am always optimistic, I said in other thread the will and character of a pro athlete are not to be underestimated especially given these circumstances where most will write them off. I am not super confident either one will grab hold of the job and succeed but I am willing to give em a chance. I am super curious to see how this offence can be run with more of a methodical approach under Waldron's system rather than the "playground" offense we had with RW3 that relied on off script big plays (I know that is a bit of exaggeration).

No its not. That's one thing I noticed about Geno was how often he targeted his first read or slid in the pocket as opposed to breaking out. Russell early in his career used every inch of the football field, was as prolific in the pocket as out and led the league in completion % vs pressure for many years.

The last few whether it was just refusing to run the play it was the long ball, the intermediate to deep sideline route or behind the sticks. No usage of the short middle between the hash marks except on scramble drills which provided a huge % of his big plays due to his athleticism and arm and ability to know where player were. But that's not sustainable winning offense. The short middle is where offenses make money. Its where they gashed us. Hes not played the same since sometime in 2020 and its not coaching. Well I guess we will see with Hackett in his first job as a HC.

I know I've felt almost giddy the last few weeks looking forward to this season.

Agent 86 wrote:Lol, I will jump in and give this move some love then. It's not the best combo of QB's to head into training camp but about a month ago I did state that my belief was it would be Lock and Geno competing for the starting job and Seahawks fans would lose their minds over it. So I will give myself a mini pat on the back for that.

It needs to be awfully mini as our roster is far from set. We're only going to keep two QB's on the 53 man roster, so if Pete spends his #9 overall on a QB, or even one of his two #2's, he's not going to cut them when the season starts. That means that either Lock or Geno will get their walking papers. As a matter of fact, that could explain the unusually high $4M for Geno, that Pete plans on cutting him anyway and simply wants him there as training camp fodder. After all, we don't have anyone on the roster with any kind of experience in our offense, so there's a huge need for Geno to be in camp when those other guys hit the field.

Better wait until around Labor Day before anyone breaks into their touchdown dance.

I can just see Hawktawk now buying his Geno Jersey.

There probably isn’t a Geno jersey.might never be. But Pete and john believe in Geno after his performance. You have all been wrong evaluating his performance in relief. I just watch film and the guy played solid .

Hawktawk wrote:4 TDs 251 yards 17 out of 21 with a 151 QBR targeting to DK. Completed 68.5 % of his passes for 700 yards. No picks starting. 131 passing yards, 23 rushing yards and 10 points in the 4th quarter including a 98 yards drive vs the Rams cold off the bench. In his final game he set the 2021 season record besting Arod with 15 completions to open the game in a 20 of 24 performance, 80% completion, 138 QBR in a 31-7 win the week before the heroic Russel forced his way back on the field to help the desperate team only to be shut out by GB and lose his first 3 back..

What's pathetic about Genos play especially comparing it to the 35 million man last year? Is it his looks? off field issues? prior record? hes been with Seattle 3 years now. What is everyone's beef with Geno?

I stand by my concern. You are referring to one game. Against the worst team in the league led by s*** show, soon to be fired coach. Let the Jacksonville game go please. He was otherwise garbage.

I am very concerned with the direction of this team. Pete is not trying to rebuild; he thinks he’s got what it takes now. Pathetic. I may becoming Obiken, but am literally so frustrated with the mediocrity potential of this franchise.

govandals wrote:Wow, so $4 mil base pay and $3 mil in incentives. I don't get this one at all. Should've been offered a vet minimum deal and let him walk if he didn't take it. Who else is gonna sign him? I'd rather put the $4 mil toward a starting LT or RT.

If those numbers are true it’s another example of squandering Cap space on backup quality players.

Hawktawk wrote:4 TDs 251 yards 17 out of 21 with a 151 QBR targeting to DK. Completed 68.5 % of his passes for 700 yards. No picks starting. 131 passing yards, 23 rushing yards and 10 points in the 4th quarter including a 98 yards drive vs the Rams cold off the bench. In his final game he set the 2021 season record besting Arod with 15 completions to open the game in a 20 of 24 performance, 80% completion, 138 QBR in a 31-7 win the week before the heroic Russel forced his way back on the field to help the desperate team only to be shut out by GB and lose his first 3 back..

What's pathetic about Genos play especially comparing it to the 35 million man last year? Is it his looks? off field issues? prior record? hes been with Seattle 3 years now. What is everyone's beef with Geno?

Stream Hawk wrote:I stand by my concern. You are referring to one game. Against the worst team in the league led by s*** show, soon to be fired coach. Let the Jacksonville game go please. He was otherwise garbage.

I am very concerned with the direction of this team. Pete is not trying to rebuild; he thinks he’s got what it takes now. Pathetic. I may becoming Obiken, but am literally so frustrated with the mediocrity potential of this franchise.

I'm with Stream Hawk on this one. I have deep concerns that despite the lack of a quarterback, that Pete views this team as just a player or two away from being competitive. We'll see how they approach the draft.

And as I said earlier, let's wait at least until the draft, if not until the 53 man roster is set, before we start crying about the deal we signed Geno to. If we draft a QB, especially if we take one in the earlier rounds, Geno might not even be on the roster when the bell rings.

Stream Hawk wrote:4 TDs 251 yards 17 out of 21 with a 151 QBR targeting to DK. Completed 68.5 % of his passes for 700 yards. No picks starting. 131 passing yards, 23 rushing yards and 10 points in the 4th quarter including a 98 yards drive vs the Rams cold off the bench. In his final game he set the 2021 season record besting Arod with 15 completions to open the game in a 20 of 24 performance, 80% completion, 138 QBR in a 31-7 win the week before the heroic Russel forced his way back on the field to help the desperate team only to be shut out by GB and lose his first 3 back..

What's pathetic about Genos play especially comparing it to the 35 million man last year? Is it his looks? off field issues? prior record? hes been with Seattle 3 years now. What is everyone's beef with Geno?
I stand by my concern. You are referring to one game. Against the worst team in the league led by s*** show, soon to be fired coach. Let the Jacksonville game go please. He was otherwise garbage.

I am very concerned with the direction of this team. Pete is not trying to rebuild; he thinks he’s got what it takes now. Pathetic. I may becoming Obiken, but am literally so frustrated with the mediocrity potential of this franchise.

If 68.5% completion % in 3 games and a quarter (and quite a quarter against the Rams who cause russ to pee himself every time , scored as much against them in a quarter starting on the 2 yard line then Russ the entire next game . 103 qbr was for the entire 13 quarters . You just didn’t pay attention . It’s a short sample , shorter than Penney but still a clear trend . Completed passes to 10 different receivers and led Seattle to 3 consecutive scoring drives in the 3 rd and 4th quarter of his first start in 5 years in Pittsburgh .T J Watt beat the hell out of him all night and he still led a 2 minute drive to tie the game and get to overtime . Yeah he lost but still 72% completion with several batted balls by watt . 102 QbR . And let’s talk about that jags team . Coming off a close loss to Cincy the Jags were crushed . Geno threw more balls to nfl open guys over the middle then I remember in forever . It’s also worth noting nobody prior to Seattle had shut out the Jags in the first half and we almost did for 4 quarters . A team effort . The team played extremely hard for Geno every game .
But then that Jags team went out and held Josh Allen to 6 points the next week. After We scored an easy 31 on then .
They won one more game , a convincing win to knock the Colts out of the playoffs .
You people don’t know who Geno was last year . Fortunately Pete and John do.

RiverDog wrote:Lol, I will jump in and give this move some love then. It's not the best combo of QB's to head into training camp but about a month ago I did state that my belief was it would be Lock and Geno competing for the starting job and Seahawks fans would lose their minds over it. So I will give myself a mini pat on the back for that.

It needs to be awfully mini as our roster is far from set. We're only going to keep two QB's on the 53 man roster, so if Pete spends his #9 overall on a QB, or even one of his two #2's, he's not going to cut them when the season starts. That means that either Lock or Geno will get their walking papers. As a matter of fact, that could explain the unusually high $4M for Geno, that Pete plans on cutting him anyway and simply wants him there as training camp fodder. After all, we don't have anyone on the roster with any kind of experience in our offense, so there's a huge need for Geno to be in camp when those other guys hit the field.

Better wait until around Labor Day before anyone breaks into their touchdown dance.

Sounds more like wishing to me River . Sounds ridiculous the team would pay 3 times last years salary for camp fodder . And I rather doubt we’re trading Wilson for Locke then cutting him as he is a big piece of the trade capital and still has great potential . The only scenario I could see Geno off the roster is if they draft a QB late and he’s the next Wilson . Genos on the team . Deal with it hawks nation

An excellent signing despite some of the sentiments shared by some of these posts...especially those of you who criticize every move done by the team's Front Office. I am glad our GM and Head Coach are calling the shots and not those fans who act like "know-it-alls" and very condescending to those of us who insist on a glass "half-full".

Geno represents a valid challenge for Drew to overcome in competition because he knows our system. He wasn't in demand by other teams because his window of opportunity for emerging as a stellar starter in the NFL has narrowed due to playing behind a QB who was always healthy ...and because his "fit" for our offense isn't shared around the league. The amount paid shows that we expect for him to compete as a "prove it" deal starter and respect for his sticking with us.

Our goal is to reserve decent pay for the QB who rises to "Franchise Status" and until then we hire QBs to compete for better pay hoping for an "X" factor to emerge from competition and the confidence that will come by winning a sincere competition. Geno knows our offense and has demonstrated an ability to "keep us in the game" while operating in our offensive schemes...now Drew Lock has to beat a QB familiar with our offense and trusted by Pete to play conservative/safe QB play while able to exploit the "deep ball" talent of our WR corps.

The draft will determine if any competitors outside of Jacob Eason will be added to the mix. Baker Mayfield continues to be available should our competition reveal any concerns for our 2022 season. We don't want to commit true QB money while taking advantage of this opportunity to add talented youth to our talent base.

Sounds more like wishing to me River . Sounds ridiculous the team would pay 3 times last years salary for camp fodder . And I rather doubt we’re trading Wilson for Locke then cutting him as he is a big piece of the trade capital and still has great potential . The only scenario I could see Geno off the roster is if they draft a QB late and he’s the next Wilson . Genos on the team . Deal with it hawks nation

Bad dollar amount.
Isn't this the same FO that paid Ogbuehi twice the amount he got the previous year to be a backup? The same FO that paid twice the amounts Irvin and Mayowa got paid the previous
year to be starters then had to panic and get any type of pass rush they could muster during the season?
Squandering Cap space on players no other teams want is a pattern and it's hurting the team.
In this case they are paying someone with questionable decision making abilities 3 times what they paid him last year.
The stupidity and mismanagement carries on...

tarlhawk wrote:An excellent signing despite some of the sentiments shared by some of these posts...especially those of you who criticize every move done by the team's Front Office. I am glad our GM and Head Coach are calling the shots and not those fans who act like "know-it-alls" and very condescending to those of us who insist on a glass "half-full".

My only reservation about this move is the amount of money that we signed him for. It doesn't make any sense, as there wasn't any kind of a market for him. We were bidding against ourselves. Outside of that, I thought that it was an excellent decision, at least short term as we don't have a QB on the roster than has any kind of experience with our offense or familiarity with the team.

We'll see what happens in the draft. We're just under two weeks away, and there are still a couple of options for a QB out there. Even if we don't draft one in the lower rounds, there's always the chance that we might bring in Mayfield. If that happens, if we draft someone like Ridder or Corral or bring in Mayfield, either Lock or Geno will have to be the odd man out as it's unlikely that we'll carry 3 QB's on our 53 man roster.

I doubt we could afford Mayfield now unless the Browns eat almost all of his contract value. And I doubt they do that.

Hawktawk wrote:Sounds more like wishing to me River . Sounds ridiculous the team would pay 3 times last years salary for camp fodder . And I rather doubt we’re trading Wilson for Locke then cutting him as he is a big piece of the trade capital and still has great potential . The only scenario I could see Geno off the roster is if they draft a QB late and he’s the next Wilson . Genos on the team . Deal with it hawks nation

It isn't ridiculous to pay training camp fodder that amount if they plan on cutting him. Unless Geno has a guaranteed amount that we haven't seen, he's not going to get anywhere near that amount if he doesn't make the roster.

Geno is NOT on the team. No one is. There will be a healthy competition for two spots on the roster. Plus he still has that DUI hanging out there that isn't resolved.

NorthHawk wrote:I doubt we could afford Mayfield now unless the Browns eat almost all of his contract value. And I doubt they do that.

Did you see how much of Geno's contract is guaranteed? I didn't. What happens if we bring in Mayfield, keep Lock, and cut Geno? Honest question.

How does everyone know we were bidding against ourselves with Geno or any of these guys ? Was he just willing and financially able to say screw you im just not playing for that amount . JS approved it and PC publicly says Genos ahead of everyone right now . Doesn’t sound like camp fodder to me . Could someone wind up on the practice squad ?

RiverDog wrote:
Did you see how much of Geno's contract is guaranteed? I didn't. What happens if we bring in Mayfield, keep Lock, and cut Geno? Honest question.

Get out your Pom poms RD . You’re hoping for it
The entire league has had weeks to snap up Mayfield and nobody’s biting. The only
one who has said he is coming here is him. He also said in a podcast he would love to break into someone’s cubicle and boo them and watch them crumble . He’s running his mouth about Cleveland disrespecting him after he originally said he wanted out . It’s making Wilson’s exit look clean


So OK honest question. You have 3 guys . Locke is signed not sure his number but young stud , big guy 6’4” huge arm . He came with a tight end hes completed 72 passes to . JS loved the guy in the draft .

Then there is Geno .if he gets to the postseason or something he’s costing 7 mil max . He ran the team efficiently to exceptionally in most of his audition and I had zero positive vibes or expectations when he walked on the field . 98 yard drive later I was a believer .

And an interesting thing is he’s not got a lot of tread off the tires for 31 . Not hit too much .6’3”1/2, big powerful accurate arm . Incredible rapport with our star receivers Lockett and DK
Then you have a disgruntled runt , a white Russell Wilson without the arm or the wheels . Maybe more steel but that’s it . For 19 million .
Fair question what to do in that scenario .

Hawktawk wrote:How does everyone know we were bidding against ourselves with Geno or any of these guys ? Was he just willing and financially able to say screw you im just not playing for that amount . JS approved it and PC publicly says Genos ahead of everyone right now . Doesn’t sound like camp fodder to me . Could someone wind up on the practice squad ?

There was absolutely no indication of any team being interested in Geno besides the Hawks. No interviews, nothing on the grapevine, nada. I suppose it's possible that Geno had multiple suitors, but had any of them been seriously interested, they surely would have made a move before now.

Just take a look at all the backup QB signings this offseason: The Bills signed Matt Barkley, the Dolphins Teddy Bridgewater, the Pats Brian Hoyer, the Bengals Brandon Allen, the Browns Jacoby Brissett, the Steelers Dwyane Haskins, the Texans Jeff Driscol and Kyle Allen, the Broncos Josh Johnson, the Chiefs Chad Henne, the Raiders Garrett Gilbert, the Chargers Chase Daniel, the Giants Tyrod Taylor, the Bears Trevor Siemian, the Lions David Blough and Tim Boyle, the Vikings Sean Mannion, the Saints Winston and Dalton, the Bucs Blaine Gabbert, and the Cards Colt McCoy. Those were all free agent signings on teams with an established starter penciled in ahead of them.

https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-free- ... %20More%20

With all those free agent quarterbacks in basically the same category as Geno getting signed, are you seriously going to tell me that there was a lot of interest in him? Geno did have some leverage as there was no one else that had experience in our offense and familiarity with our team, but he had absolutely no leverage outside of an office in Renton. We were bidding against ourselves.

You're gonna have to wait until this roster settles out, my friend. Let's see what happens in the draft and where Mayfield ends up at before we start making statements that Player X is on the roster.

Did you see how much of Geno's contract is guaranteed? I didn't. What happens if we bring in Mayfield, keep Lock, and cut Geno? Honest question.

As with any contract, the details aren't released until it's registered with the League so all we know is the outline.
However, if the guarantee is $3M then he gets about a 300% raise.

The QB scenario has a lot of similarities with trading Unger. We are not prepared for the departure of the starter and now find ourselves scrambling and overpaying
for a replacement.
Another example of bad personnel management.

Hawktawk wrote:Get out your Pom poms RD . You’re hoping for it
The entire league has had weeks to snap up Mayfield and nobody’s biting. The only
one who has said he is coming here is him. He also said in a podcast he would love to break into someone’s cubicle and boo them and watch them crumble . He’s running his mouth about Cleveland disrespecting him after he originally said he wanted out . It’s making Wilson’s exit look clean


So OK honest question. You have 3 guys . Locke is signed not sure his number but young stud , big guy 6’4” huge arm . He came with a tight end hes completed 72 passes to . JS loved the guy in the draft .

Then there is Geno .if he gets to the postseason or something he’s costing 7 mil max . He ran the team efficiently to exceptionally in most of his audition and I had zero positive vibes or expectations when he walked on the field . 98 yard drive later I was a believer .

And an interesting thing is he’s not got a lot of tread off the tires for 31 . Not hit too much .6’3”1/2, big powerful accurate arm . Incredible rapport with our star receivers Lockett and DK
Then you have a disgruntled runt , a white Russell Wilson without the arm or the wheels . Maybe more steel but that’s it . For 19 million .
Fair question what to do in that scenario .

To me its all about the upside of Lock vs. Geno and the known of Geno vs. Lock. I don't think Geno is a guy who can win us a SB (obviously I could be wrong about this and would love it if I were). I actually think Geno is a guy who takes us farther away from a SB because he moves us towards mediocracy. I think Geno's ceiling is getting us to Wildcard weekend while his floor is probably around 6 or 7 wins. Lock's floor is lower, IMO. I think his floor is getting us a top 5 pick while his ceiling is unknown. That's what I don't like about this move. In my opinion it moves us to mediocracy which is exactly where I don't want to be next year. I would love if Geno or Lock took us to the SB next year but the reality is there is close to a 0% chance of that happening. I want us to commit to the rebuild and guaranteeing Geno $4 mil doesn't do that IMO. That $4 mil could be pushed to next year to help off-set Adams cap hit. Right now he is going to count 18 mil against the cap, I would rather him count 14 mil next year. Then if he continues to play the way he did last year we can cut him and save $7 million the year after. I don't want us spending a dime on anybody if they aren't going to get us closer to a SB and Geno doesn't do that, IMO.

To me its all about the upside of Lock vs. Geno and the known of Geno vs. Lock. I don't think Geno is a guy who can win us a SB (obviously I could be wrong about this and would love it if I were). I actually think Geno is a guy who takes us farther away from a SB because he moves us towards mediocracy. I think Geno's ceiling is getting us to Wildcard weekend while his floor is probably around 6 or 7 wins. Lock's floor is lower, IMO. I think his floor is getting us a top 5 pick while his ceiling is unknown. That's what I don't like about this move. In my opinion it moves us to mediocracy which is exactly where I don't want to be next year. I would love if Geno or Lock took us to the SB next year but the reality is there is close to a 0% chance of that happening. I want us to commit to the rebuild and guaranteeing Geno $4 mil doesn't do that IMO. That $4 mil could be pushed to next year to help off-set Adams cap hit. Right now he is going to count 18 mil against the cap, I would rather him count 14 mil next year. Then if he continues to play the way he did last year we can cut him and save $7 million the year after. I don't want us spending a dime on anybody if they aren't going to get us closer to a SB and Geno doesn't do that, IMO.

I agree with the general premise of your statement, but I think Geno's floor is probably similar to Lock's. He had a bit of a run last year, but that's what backup QBs do - they get streaky then fall apart.
It's the money being spent on Geno that's the issue. It seems that the Seahawks FO was bidding against themselves (as someone else said) in signing him as no other teams had reported an interest.
But that's the way with PC/JS. Waste Cap space on players that won't make much of a difference - it's a common theme with this regime.

You can dismiss Mayfield from consideration now that the Hawks have shelled out the 4 mil for Smith. Mayfield will not sign for peanuts. He's guaranteed 18.8 mil coming from the Browns, so he's not desperate. Lock and Smith are the ones the management have settled on. Locke will start the season because of his physical upside but if he starts to unravel then he'll be replaced by Smith. Management trusts Smith. He's a known entity. By the start of the season, Seattle may pickup another QB in the draft or one cut by another team, just for insurance.

Right. Just like when we signed Matt Flynn to a $20M contract in '12.

c_hawkbob wrote:Right. Just like when we signed Matt Flynn to a $20M contract in '12.

Right Bob? The smart people smarter than JS and PC say they can’t judge QB talent overlook what they did with the guy that’s gone after HOF play for 8.5 of 10 seasons . I think he was 3rd round . I will also say I was unaware of who RW even was before the draft . I first saw him in the 3rd preseason game and I was on his jock immediately . Got in lots of arguments on the old PI forum with people who thought Flynn should start for much of the first half of the season .

Now we have 2 second rounders . One an extremely low miles 31 year old who proved in his brief audition that he had done an excellent job cleaning up his game from his putrid performances early in his career . Every physical tool needed . Showed he could run the Waldron offense effectively . Locke is the guy I want to win the job because he has off the chart arm talent with the most velocity I’ve ever seen on the ball and is a big mobile guy that could do some of that Josh Allen designed run stuff . He came with Fant who has caught 70+ passes from him which I find a fascinating side story.


I keep hearing these Qbs are garbage, that our FO is garbage . Goff is garbage and this offense had him among league leaders and in the super bowl . It took a man who had never won a playoff game to a championship . Russ didn’t want to play it .
Tired as hell of hearing our Coach and GM trashed .

This I know about these men. They don’t plan to lose . It could happen but their entire legacy is being shaped as is Russels and they have no intention of losing the battle .

And for the record I don’t care who the qb is . I want the best option possible but I truly think addition by subtraction might have fans pleased to not see 3 and 4 three and outs in a row as the defense dies on the field .

Hawktawk wrote:There probably isn’t a Geno jersey.might never be. But Pete and john believe in Geno after his performance. You have all been wrong evaluating his performance in relief. I just watch film and the guy played solid .

What are you talking about? No one was arguing Geno isn't a good back up.

Your argument was Geno performed better than Russell. That's just not true. We were all fine with Geno as a back up. He did well enough as a backup. We're just not into your Geno should be in there instead of Russ push.

No one was down on Geno as a backup QB. So not sure what you think we were wrong about other than not agreeing with you that Geno should be in there over Russ.