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To me, this cries loudly of mismanagement over the years.

Meh, it's pretty typically the better teams toward the bottom of these lists.

Isn't this just of list of where they drafted an not who they drafted - and passed by?
Like Bob said you would expect us to be near the bottom what with having mostly winning records as well as trading down a lot.

c_hawkbob wrote:Meh, it's pretty typically the better teams toward the bottom of these lists.

Except that we're not one of those better teams.

I agree with the OP. We've terribly mismanaged our draft capital over the past 7 years.

For me, there's no question that we've bungled our draft stock, but this list is just where the picks were made.
There's only 1 first round pick each year (barring trades), but there are 4 selections in the early to middle rounds (depending on the depth in the draft) and
that's where we've really been a disappointment with either trading past superior talent or making questionable choices when they stay pat and make the pick.

I agree with the OP. We've terribly mismanaged our draft capital over the past 7 years.

Its not just that River, its who they drafted. Richardson instead of Devante Adams, or Jarvis Landry. Passing on Fletcher Cox, or taking Carpenter or German Ifedi. After his first couple of drafts Pete has been worthless. The day I was off PC and JS, was giving up 2 first rounders for JA, a box Safety, its over for me. Its just a matter of how hard we thud, and how high we bounce when we fall.

obiken wrote:Its not just that River, its who they drafted. Richardson instead of Devante Adams, or Jarvis Landry. Passing on Fletcher Cox, or taking Carpenter or German Ifedi. After his first couple of drafts Pete has been worthless. The day I was off PC and JS, was giving up 2 first rounders for JA, a box Safety, its over for me. Its just a matter of how hard we thud, and how high we bounce when we fall.

Not getting Fletcher Cox was a disappointment.

c_hawkbob wrote:Meh, it's pretty typically the better teams toward the bottom of these lists.

RiverDog wrote:Except that we're not one of those better teams.

I agree with the OP. We've terribly mismanaged our draft capital over the past 7 years.

For 1 year. I think your 7 year "terrible mismanagement" is pretty extreme overstatement.

c_hawkbob wrote:Meh, it's pretty typically the better teams toward the bottom of these lists.

RiverDog wrote:Except that we're not one of those better teams.

I agree with the OP. We've terribly mismanaged our draft capital over the past 7 years.

c_hawkbob wrote:For 1 year. I think your 7 year "terrible mismanagement" is pretty extreme overstatement.

And I think that your implied statement that we've been 'one of those better teams' over that period of time is a pretty extreme overstatement. We've been no better than mediocre during that stretch.

Bob is right, we’ve been one of the better teams record wise, which for the purposes of this article
gives us lesser draft positions but what it doesn’t do is reflect the poor draft choices made in that time.

Years of giving away multiple first rounders for shiny toys like Jimmy Graham, Percy Harvin and Jamal the All have caught up to Pete. We have a roster with 8 of 22 starters as FA's and those trades have eroded the roster depth to step into those positions. And here we are again with limited draft capital to fix it.

Percy Harvin was a huge part of winning a super bowl which justified his existence . Graham won some games here and I think set the single season team record . He was wasted on Russ at least at that time as Russ spreads it around .

Hawktawk wrote:Percy Harvin was a huge part of winning a super bowl which justified his existence . Graham won some games here and I think set the single season team record . He was wasted on Russ at least at that time as Russ spreads it around .

I agree Harvin was impactful in SBXLVII, The 2 sweeps in the 1st quarter and the punt return were a joy to watch in the biggest game in franchise history. However, I feel they win that game without him.

Do you know how many regular season games Harvin played in?
6
Yup, 6 games in 2 seasons.
Pete dealt a 1st, 3rd and a 7th for 6 games. Thats a bad trade.

in hindsight, I'll concede on the Jimmy Graham trade, It wasn't THAT bad. A 1st and a decent center for 3 productive years is almost a wash. I would still rather have a roster of young, cheap and hungry than soft and expensive.

The JA trade may be the biggest blunder in Pete's reign.

Hawktawk wrote:Percy Harvin was a huge part of winning a super bowl which justified his existence . Graham won some games here and I think set the single season team record . He was wasted on Russ at least at that time as Russ spreads it around .

govandals wrote:I agree Harvin was impactful in SBXLVII, The 2 sweeps in the 1st quarter and the punt return were a joy to watch in the biggest game in franchise history. However, I feel they win that game without him.

Do you know how many regular season games Harvin played in?
6
Yup, 6 games in 2 seasons.
Pete dealt a 1st, 3rd and a 7th for 6 games. Thats a bad trade.

in hindsight, I'll concede on the Jimmy Graham trade, It wasn't THAT bad. A 1st and a decent center for 3 productive years is almost a wash. I would still rather have a roster of young, cheap and hungry than soft and expensive.

The JA trade may be the biggest blunder in Pete's reign.

I'm with govandals with regard to Harvin. He did absolutely nothing to help us get to the Super Bowl, and although he made some very significant contributions in the game itself, it was so dominant, one of the most dominant, lopsided in the history of the game, that we win it going away without any single player on our roster being present, whether it be Russell, Beast, Bennett, Bobby, Kam, Earl, et al. We got almost nothing in return for that trade, and he nearly tore the team apart the following season with his blatant insubordination. He was the definition of a locker room cancer.

However, I come down a little more on the glass half empty side of the Graham trade. My problem was that he was completely out of character of the type of player we needed for our offense and our team in particular. He was a soft, hated to block, a one dimensional player that was a wide receiver at heart, not an inline tight end. In addition, we gave up a known quantity, a veteran Pro Bowl center with a lot of tread left without having a plan other than "next man up!" to replace the most important position along the OL. The trade showed Pete's lack of respect for the offensive line. And to make matters worse, we didn't utilize Graham until his last year with us, then we let him go without an attempt to resign him.

The jury is still out on the JA trade, but at this point, it doesn't look any better.

With Graham, they tried to turn him into something he isn't and never will be.
It's a mystery that on Defense, Pete looks for players with unique talents then adjusts the Defense to take advantage of them,
but with Graham, he tried to force him into a blocking role and largely negated the quality that made him special in NO.

Jimmy Grahm was not a "target" of our GM...he was tempting as a surprise "offer" when Shneider had called the New Orleans GM on a different reason. The NO GM had engaged in a bitter contract signing in 2014 since Jimmy wanted paid as a WR not as the TE position...in 2014 he got a 4 yr 40 million contract based on his all-pro 2013 season where he had 16 TD. In 2014 he dropped down to 10 TD...still getting an invite to the Pro Bowl but now the NO GM was looking to "unload" his problem to an opportunistic John Schneider phone call.

On 3/10 2015 we got Jimmy and a 4th rd pick for Max Unger and a precious 1rst rd pick. Jimmy was asked to do more in-line blocking in the "hope" of helping out a struggling Germain Ifedi at RT. Ideally looking back using Grahm as an Outside receiver with Lockett as the other WR and putting Doug Baldwin in the Slot Receiver role may have been a better use of Grahm's skills as his in-line blocking was disastrous.

By the way the 4th rd pick we got with Grahm was also packaged with a 6th rd pick (we got from the NYJ for trading Percy Harvin to them) and our own 3rd and 5th rd picks to Washington to move up in the 3rd round to snag Tyler Lockett as the 69th player selected in the 2015 draft.

Regardless, he let go of a Pro Bowl Center without a viable replacement (still not properly addressed) then they took a Pro Bowl
TE and took away most of what made him special and tried to turn him into a 'complete' TE. It lessened Graham's value to the
team and we lost a big part of the OL.

NorthHawk wrote:Regardless, he let go of a Pro Bowl Center without a viable replacement (still not properly addressed) then they took a Pro Bowl
TE and took away most of what made him special and tried to turn him into a 'complete' TE. It lessened Graham's value to the
team and we lost a big part of the OL.

Plus it arguably changed the character of our team, away from the smash mouth, LOB Beast Mode rock sock'em type of attitude that had defined Pete's previous teams.