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""I don't think that. I think we've got the essence of the things that we need. We've got to build on them, we've got to support it better and we've got to continue to grow and progress. There ain't no standing still, but there's the foundation for doing things."

With what, Pete?

This bad season affords us an opportunity to have the team...players and management to take a deep collective breath. Number one we need RW to slay his personal demons and return with the drive and purpose of a manage driven season...renew that trust that once bonded you to a close friendship with your HC. Pete Carrol needs a strong vote of confidence from upper management since he is your Executive Vice President of Football Operations.

With an elite QB winning your close games once again...you need a complementing running attack...not one feature back but two with different dynamics...a power runner between the tackles and an elusive quick runner who threatens the end zone for every missed tackle around and past the edge. Your O-Line needs re-tooled to force competition and reliable depth to keep the running/passing in rhythm so 3rd downs don't rise to the level of crisis. We have good hands TE's and 3rd WR as check down ready. We have two (and a budding 3rd) WR play makers who can take the top off a defense. Play Action is a deep well if running/passing is in rhythm.

Defense needs DJ Reed extended and a healthy Tre Brown with Sidney Jones extended for back up of both corners. If Q.Diggs is extended and J.Adams returns ready for war then we can pick up some CB depth in the draft. Marquis Blair/Ryan Neal fill in Nickel/Dime packages. With decent secondary coverage that allows zone/man switching...your pass rush will be improved/consistent. Youth (D.Taylor/A.Robinson/Rasheem Green extended and perhaps a high 2nd Rd edge rusher) combined with vets (Hyder/Dunlap/Mayowa) should "answer the call" for an aggressive pass rush.

Your "read/play recognition and destroy LB corps needs a solid 3rd (C.Barton or drafted/free agent) behind B.Wagner/J.Brooks. Special Teams needs a legit return threat like Lockett once provided...perhaps Eskridge? Kicking competition should resume in earnest.

An assertive/creative O.C. (Waldron returns?) Unless Dan Quinn can be coaxed out of Dallas...then DC remains KNJ.

Some major GM decisions loom with our possible roster churn and important draft (high Rd selections each Rd. beginning in the 2nd and with an extra 4th Rd...for a total of six selections).

I'm not sure the foundation Pete speaks of is very solid. Some of the most key foundation stones are over the hill: Wags, D. Brown and maybe Russ W. And the many changes you enumerate, tarlhawk, seem more like a rebuild than a retool.

trents wrote:https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32948040/after-rare-losing-season-pete-carroll-says-seattle-seahawks-need-retool-not-restart-whole-thing

""I don't think that. I think we've got the essence of the things that we need. We've got to build on them, we've got to support it better and we've got to continue to grow and progress. There ain't no standing still, but there's the foundation for doing things."

With what, Pete?

Hes just so mealy mouth verbal spew its hard to follow. Hes made clear he isn't going to quit. He believes in his players, his picks. In a sense I agree on a lot of them, more than I did not too long ago. The front 7 is balling, the young kids in the secondary are hanging around. Penney is by far the biggest revelation. Not too many guys with his skill set. PC says he wants him back and Penney says he wants to come back.

The lines been excellent lately. Eskridge is showing signs of life and saved a sure pick before the half by playing defense on a bad throw. Our biggest problem is we have a QB who is one of the best on first and second down and absolute worst on 3rd. We had scored less than 20 points in all 4 losses since Russel's return. On the season since the Titans loss we are averaging 14 points per loss over the last 9 losses and only went to 20 twice, once by Geno in an overtime loss and once last night. And as we saw last night it isn't just the stat line that matters, its when it happens or doesn't happen that decides games. As nice a man as he is PC has started to call Russ out and its not going well. I dont know who will stay or go if either but I dont think the 2 men should be together anymore one way or another.

Okay then ship him out for 3 first and be done with it Leggy, and watch him go to a good team like the Browns, and win a SB. RW is ALL we have, he is not the problem bubba! Pete needs to go, period!!

Retooling means more trading of draft picks for marginal players.
He’s drifting farther away from how they built a SB winner because he doesn’t want to do the
work required to regain the talent required to be a serious contender. If he thinks the talent
level on this team is even close to being a championship team, he’s losing his mind.
If he stays we are pretty much assured of losing Russ, but even if he does go Russ might just
want to leave the stink of the last few years behind.

Obi, so how do you rationalize the extreme the pervasive inaccuracy this year vs any other year? I can only surmise it’s the finger - what else could it be? He looks nothing like the Russ we know. Yes, he’s carried the team, but what is so different this year that makes for such terrible results, the rest of the team not being wildly different. Waldron? Even that doesn’t explain the inaccuracy.

I-5 wrote:Obi, so how do you rationalize the extreme the pervasive inaccuracy this year vs any other year? I can only surmise it’s the finger - what else could it be? He looks nothing like the Russ we know. Yes, he’s carried the team, but what is so different this year that makes for such terrible results, the rest of the team not being wildly different. Waldron? Even that doesn’t explain the inaccuracy.

To me it looks like a carryover from last year. It’s like his heart isn’t in it.
The dead killer look in his eyes is missing and he’s not carrying himself the same.

trents wrote:https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32948040/after-rare-losing-season-pete-carroll-says-seattle-seahawks-need-retool-not-restart-whole-thing

""I don't think that. I think we've got the essence of the things that we need. We've got to build on them, we've got to support it better and we've got to continue to grow and progress. There ain't no standing still, but there's the foundation for doing things."

With what, Pete?

Of course, Pete's going to say that all we need is retooling because it suggests that the system is fine, that we just need "different tools", ie players. Rebuilding implies a much more drastic change, like a new head coach and GM.

I'm with North Hawk on this one. Our roster is not talented enough nor deep enough to compete with the major contenders in the NFC, teams like the Packers, Cowboys, Rams, and Bucs. We play a 7 game series with any of them and they beat us 7 or 8 times, and I don't see it getting any better under Pete. He's no longer a championship coach.

And Obi, if you can't recognize that there is something seriously wrong with Russell, then you haven't been watching. The Russell we've seen this year, both before and after his injury, is not the same Russell we've watched for nearly 10 years. He's not going to take another marginal team like the Browns to the SB, at least not the way he's been performing with us.

obiken wrote:Okay then ship him out for 3 first and be done with it Leggy, and watch him go to a good team like the Browns, and win a SB. RW is ALL we have, he is not the problem bubba! Pete needs to go, period!!

I heard this stuff about Hass, Alexander too. They did nothing after leaving here other than Hass a bit stint with Indy . Everyone’s time comes . If Russ goes elsewhere and rehabilitates his career good for him. I’ll root for him . Right now he’s playing terrible , making 35 million , acting petulant , publicly disagreeing with his hc and any football fan about his ridiculous sack . You want more of this? PC said yesterday “ Russ will be great again , we just don’t see it now “. And that’s the 35 million dollar question .

He's trying to force his way out without hurting his image.
The Giants have the best pkg of picks for compensation but the Eagles could also contend if they want to give up their firsts for 3 years.
The Giants have 2 firsts this year so that pain would be over quicker.

NorthHawk wrote:He's trying to force his way out without hurting his image.
The Giants have the best pkg of picks for compensation but the Eagles could also contend if they want to give up their firsts for 3 years.
The Giants have 2 firsts this year so that pain would be over quicker.

Thats what I said!! Some of the worse divorces are between 2 good people who love each other but both realize that they can't live together, and are trying to save face. I think PC and JS want RW out, but have a find a way to make it his idea. This is going to be a long two step.

I've posted already my own beliefs that Russell is dealing with personal issues inside and outside of football. His confidence ties in to his focus and drive. Perhaps he has anxiety issues tied in to covid or the loss of his close friend and life coach or feeling his age before accomplishing his goals (He seems very goal oriented). I'll re-post my earlier post so you can skip if read already :

Its my opinion and mine alone at times it seems...but Russell Wilson is seeing life itself a little outside of the sports world and the success it has been for him. Some comments he made his post game conference almost seemed telling.

and that's going to be tomorrow morning when we wake up -- God willing, we wake up and tomorrow morning we get to do it and focus on that, and I think it's the only way to get better.

I think my dad up in heaven, man, no matter what, he is always smiling down. Whatever else is going around in anybody else's thinking or whatever, and so many people have so many things in their life they're going through, and the thing for me is always stay focused on joy

I made this post earlier but I think its still right with some mild editing...

Russ's biggest loss has been when his confidence wains ...losing can be so very draining and no one bears blame as much as a QB which is why he needs a P/U from PC but PC's own frustration has come out in subtle negative comments (subtle to most...but clear to Russ).

He tries to be upbeat in press conferences...and this comes across as not accepting blame...but he beats up himself internally more than displayed by his subdued yet upbeat messaging. All his main confidence boosters...winning culture...great fan base...and budding team mate friendships...have been strained by his injury/pride of having his iron man rep lost this season...the severely damaging loss of his life coach (Sep 17, 2021 · Trevor Moawad, who was Wilson's longtime mental-conditioning coach, business partner and "best friend," died from cancer this week at age 48. Heaven just got better. I love you ) *right before the Titan's game* We pass it off as Russell having suffered loss before and seemed resilient...but Russ is a bit older and perhaps leaned a lot more on this "coach" than revealed. The injury just compounded a life still healing with time...and the reality of life grounded him with its sudden complications.

I think his confidence level is betrayed by his forced smiles...but I really feel his confidence level is KEY to his on-field focus and sense of timing...the interceptions have strained his relationship with PC...and his lack of focus has strained his relationship with DK...losing Tyler to covid took away his safety valve when he needed him most (let alone any personal concern of Tyler having symptoms). A very challenging year which will test RW's mettle . We sometimes gloss over our very human nature...while keeping up our own persona even when its faltering.

We all sometimes see sports as an escape to a place where any team (and we hope especially our own) can win with huge effort on display and while caught up in the moment of distraction we forget life going on in real time. We forget what loss of life feels like...we are able to be distracted from the impact Covid is having world-wide as well as here in the cities we live in. I had played an on-line game with world wide players and some of them have had their lives turned upside down by this pandemic. Is it impossible to think a highly paid sports entertainer is suddenly feeling insecure in his personal life by the sobering thoughts of tragic life complications?

I-5 wrote:Obi, so how do you rationalize the extreme the pervasive inaccuracy this year vs any other year? I can only surmise it’s the finger - what else could it be? He looks nothing like the Russ we know. Yes, he’s carried the team, but what is so different this year that makes for such terrible results, the rest of the team not being wildly different. Waldron? Even that doesn’t explain the inaccuracy.

His head isn't in the game...something is keeping him off-canter...his skills don't miss targets wide open when his feet are planted as he throws...his focus is being lost by some anxiety thats not being shared...which is why I think its personal. He seemed to have it under control in both the Texans and the 49er games and perhaps the effort of Penny helped remove the burden of feeling all the teams hopes were on his shoulders when his confidence is lacking. In the 49er game he was hitting his targets at a steady clip and even though Penny didn't
bust loose against the 49ers he gave enough grit to keep their Def front 7 honest and respectful of Penny's running ability. Our re-tooling only becomes rebuilding if we let RW go before he slays his personal demons.

NorthHawk wrote:He's trying to force his way out without hurting his image.
The Giants have the best pkg of picks for compensation but the Eagles could also contend if they want to give up their firsts for 3 years.
The Giants have 2 firsts this year so that pain would be over quicker.

After watching last night's Fins-Saints contest last night, you have to think that Sean Payton is itching to get his hands on a good quarterback, plus the Saints were one of the teams on Russell's original wish list.

I-5 wrote:Obi, so how do you rationalize the extreme the pervasive inaccuracy this year vs any other year? I can only surmise it’s the finger - what else could it be? He looks nothing like the Russ we know. Yes, he’s carried the team, but what is so different this year that makes for such terrible results, the rest of the team not being wildly different. Waldron? Even that doesn’t explain the inaccuracy.

His inaccuracy might be able to be explained by his finger injury, but it doesn't explain his poor decision making. That last series of the Bears game where on 4th down and with the game on the line, he decided to run for the first down really drove it home for me. He had zero chance of converting yet he still made a break for it. Same with him throwing into coverage on 3rd downs when all he needs is a 5-10 completion. Something's not right, and I don't think it's something as simple as an injured finger.

But i'm not quite ready to accept tarlhawk's theory that it's a mental problem. It could be that, with his advancing age, Russell's physical skills have diminished and that he has not changed his game enough to compensate for it.

https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/n ... 80872.html
This article is about PCs comments regarding Jodi Allen. He calls the Nov meeting a "normal midseason meeting" and what I find most interesting is his description of JS as being the contact person with Jodi for pretty much everything they are doing, that PC doesn't contact her unless a meeting is called. I also found it interesting when JS was extended through the 2027 draft while PC is till 25. It was always my understanding PC had control over Schneider but the current arrangement doesn't sound like it. I know in my business the GM tells me what to do and also deals with the owner. Just interesting. With Vulcan bank account I dont think any contract is a problem if they move on.

Pete holds the title of Executive Vice President of Football Operations which is above the GM.
So John reports to Pete.
I think the article implies that Pete has enough to do and that JS takes away some of the responsibilities unless it is critical.
I think it also means that Pete still makes the final decisions regarding the team but JS is his point man with ownership.

Yes that would explain that . Makes sense . I guess time will tell . If a brutal home loss to the bears won’t do it let’s see about Detroit . If they choose to ride with the regime they do. I hope it works out because it’s a lot harder watching terrible football than ever after the last 10 years .

RiverDog wrote:But i'm not quite ready to accept tarlhawk's theory that it's a mental problem. It could be that, with his advancing age, Russell's physical skills have diminished and that he has not changed his game enough to compensate for it.

I'm not suggesting any mental acuity issues with advancing age...but something personal from off the field...whatever it is he's showed signs of shaking it off...(Texans and 49ers games) but especially the 49ers game. His confidence/rhythm/accuracy were more reminiscent of a "restored" Russell of old. The Rams and Bears games show his "recovery" isn't consistent...yet.