Russell Wilson Trade Rumors Starting Already

[RiverDog]

This just popped up in my news feed:

NFL Insider Says New York Giants Prepared To Make Blockbuster Trade For Russell Wilson

The Giants have arguably the best trade package available. Following Week 11, the Giants stood to have the fifth overall pick in April's draft plus the No. 7 pick by virtue of the Chicago trade that netted the Bears Justin Fields. Only the Jets have two top 10 picks this year, and they just got their franchise QB in Zach Wilson a few months ago.

Two first-rounders alone wouldn't get it done, but it's a necessary start. New York would have to throw in a 2023 first-rounder and some other items (players and/or picks) to make this work.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl- ... -12-picks/

Looks mostly like speculation, but here we are over 2 months before the offseason starts and already the trade Russell rumor mill has begun.

[c_hawkbob]

Read that word for word a couple days ago on some "Real Pro Football" site (not he correct name but something I've never heard of like that) that had so many pop ups and obtrusive banners it was extremely difficult to read. It was shared on a FB fan page. I said then to get back to me wen it comes from a creditable site ... I'm surprised CBS Sports picked it up verbatim. Once upon a time that would mean that CBS's editors had gotten some sort of corroboration, but I'm just not sue any more.

One thing I am sure of is now we will be hearing the same thing from Florio and every other regurgitator out there, so brace yourselves.

[Stream Hawk]

Well, the good news is maybe RW can finally showcase his skills for a lucky suitor? I mean, he is not exactly screaming for a team to "buy high" lately. I have lost so much faith in him this season. It really started last season.

[Hawktawk]

Well, the good news is maybe RW can finally showcase his skills for a lucky suitor? I mean, he is not exactly screaming for a team to "buy high" lately. I have lost so much faith in him this season. It really started last season.

Yeah this here ^^^. I’m not sure what GM in his right mind would actually look at Russ right now and open the checkbook ? I’m ready to see if Geno can convert a third down right now .

[Hawktawk]

The one yardage losing run RW did this weird pirouette to hand off with his left hand . I’m gonna watch it .

[RiverDog]

Read that word for word a couple days ago on some "Real Pro Football" site (not he correct name but something I've never heard of like that) that had so many pop ups and obtrusive banners it was extremely difficult to read. It was shared on a FB fan page. I said then to get back to me wen it comes from a creditable site ... I'm surprised CBS Sports picked it up verbatim. Once upon a time that would mean that CBS's editors had gotten some sort of corroboration, but I'm just not sue any more.

One thing I am sure of is now we will be hearing the same thing from Florio and every other regurgitator out there, so brace yourselves.

I wouldn't have posted it if it hadn't come across CBS Sports, which I regard as a credible source.

You are correct about bracing ourselves for all the trade rumors and speculation. But you'll have to admit that we knew it was coming, the only surprise being that it started this early.

[Aseahawkfan]

We're getting our asses beat by Washington. Unbelievable.

[Oly]

Maybe Wilson's hand is bothering him more than I realize, but from what I've seen since his return (both his throws and his decision making) I'm warming up to the idea. Maybe that Giants offer is made up garbage that moved up from a message board to CBS, but this downturn has been a season+ in the making and I'm ready for a full blown rebuild.

[NorthHawk]

There doesn’t seem to be any top QBs in this year’s draft. Not like the last couple of years anyway.
So we would have to get a starting QB at some point in that process.
With 2 firsts this year we might be able to improve both sides of the LoS and a good RB to help offset
the loss of Wilson. But it’s going to be hard to get another Franchise QB whenever that day comes.

[The POPE]

Looking at Russell’s performance it’s clear he his head is not in the game. 1st game of the season pretty good performance. After that Russell has fallen off a cliff. As much as Wilson professed his mental awareness and his mental coach and friend Trevor Moawab I wonder if Trevor’s death in mid September has anything to do with the mental decline in Russell’s game. If Trevor had that much influence on Russell’s metal health and conditioning this could be a factor in what we see now, indecisiveness, no eye of the tiger, listless, etc. Not saying Trevor’s death is the sole reason, but throw in the off season turmoil, injury, and the poor record this year it looks like it’s more than Russell can handle. Not making excuses for Russell, just making an observation.

[RiverDog]

There doesn’t seem to be any top QBs in this year’s draft. Not like the last couple of years anyway.
So we would have to get a starting QB at some point in that process.
With 2 firsts this year we might be able to improve both sides of the LoS and a good RB to help offset
the loss of Wilson. But it’s going to be hard to get another Franchise QB whenever that day comes.

The slim pickings for QB's in the 2022 draft would play to our advantage in a Russell trade scenario.

A Russell to the Giants trade would likely net us Daniel Jones. Although I don't think he's anyone's QBOTF, he would be a viable competitor for the starting job. And who knows. He could prove to be a keeper.

[RiverDog]

Looking at Russell’s performance it’s clear he his head is not in the game. 1st game of the season pretty good performance. After that Russell has fallen off a cliff. As much as Wilson professed his mental awareness and his mental coach and friend Trevor Moawab I wonder if Trevor’s death in mid September has anything to do with the mental decline in Russell’s game. If Trevor had that much influence on Russell’s metal health and conditioning this could be a factor in what we see now, indecisiveness, no eye of the tiger, listless, etc. Not saying Trevor’s death is the sole reason, but throw in the off season turmoil, injury, and the poor record this year it looks like it’s more than Russell can handle. Not making excuses for Russell, just making an observation.

I hadn't heard that, but I doubt that's a reason for his performance decline. Russell's had to cope with tragedy before. He lost his dad back in 2010 at an early age.

[Oly]

Looking at Russell’s performance it’s clear he his head is not in the game. 1st game of the season pretty good performance. After that Russell has fallen off a cliff. As much as Wilson professed his mental awareness and his mental coach and friend Trevor Moawab I wonder if Trevor’s death in mid September has anything to do with the mental decline in Russell’s game. If Trevor had that much influence on Russell’s metal health and conditioning this could be a factor in what we see now, indecisiveness, no eye of the tiger, listless, etc. Not saying Trevor’s death is the sole reason, but throw in the off season turmoil, injury, and the poor record this year it looks like it’s more than Russell can handle. Not making excuses for Russell, just making an observation.

Great point. RD, to your skepticism because Wilson has dealt with tragedy before, the reason I think The POPE might be on to something is because Trevor acted like a sports psychologist during the weeks. I don't think it's the tragedy aspect that could be eating at Wilson, but more the loss of the very person who he'd go to when his game is in a funk.

[Hawktawk]

Looking at Russell’s performance it’s clear he his head is not in the game. 1st game of the season pretty good performance. After that Russell has fallen off a cliff. As much as Wilson professed his mental awareness and his mental coach and friend Trevor Moawab I wonder if Trevor’s death in mid September has anything to do with the mental decline in Russell’s game. If Trevor had that much influence on Russell’s metal health and conditioning this could be a factor in what we see now, indecisiveness, no eye of the tiger, listless, etc. Not saying Trevor’s death is the sole reason, but throw in the off season turmoil, injury, and the poor record this year it looks like it’s more than Russell can handle. Not making excuses for Russell, just making an observation.

I agree with this, at least the mental decline part. The need for a mental positivity coach in the first place tells me something.But IMO its been happening a long time. I think Russ is actually fragile psychologically, the SI article shared by RD alluded to that as a PC perception as he warned his team not to tamper with Russ. The more loudly he professes his confidence, his positivity the less I believe it. I listened to an interview pregame with he and Rich Eisen and he was spouting so much gobbledygook and fake positivity it was hard to listen to. I always hope for the best but I had a feeling how the evening was going to go. Ill submit Russ has been seeing ghosts since SB 49 and its gotten a lot worse lately. Why good on first and second down and horrible on 3rd? Its the pressure down........Ill leave it there but I have been watching this team fade under pressure every year since that game..Now its a free fall.

[NorthHawk]

On Offense it all starts with the OL and a run game. From there, if you have a run game and a decent QB, you can keep the Defense off balance.
We don't have a good enough OL or RB situation to avoid being one dimensional. And the league knows it.

[Hawktawk]

We’ve never had a great line in Wilson’s tenure and we haven’t had a dependable durable bell cow back since 2015 when Lynch left . But his greatness in his prime allowed the team to gloss it over . He’s not been great for a while . Listening to Brock and Salk they were pretty critical of Russes play , the missed reads as much as the bad throws . They also panned his whole superhero mission with his finger which clearly isn’t healed .

I also caught just a blip of PC and he’s always the gentleman but it was the most direct critique of Russ yet . Talking about “balls that didn’t go where they were supposed to, guys open , had opportunities and didn’t connect . “ we didn’t see that in practice “ he’s got to play better “. Too little too late but he finally said it .

[RiverDog]

We’ve never had a great line in Wilson’s tenure and we haven’t had a dependable durable bell cow back since 2015 when Lynch left . But his greatness in his prime allowed the team to gloss it over . He’s not been great for a while . Listening to Brock and Salk they were pretty critical of Russes play , the missed reads as much as the bad throws . They also panned his whole superhero mission with his finger which clearly isn’t healed .

I also caught just a blip of PC and he’s always the gentleman but it was the most direct critique of Russ yet . Talking about “balls that didn’t go where they were supposed to, guys open , had opportunities and didn’t connect . “ we didn’t see that in practice “ he’s got to play better “. Too little too late but he finally said it .

Yup. Closing the corral gate after the horses are out.

I was watching ESPN's First Take with Stephen Smith this morning and to a person, they were all very critical of Russell's overall play, some of them contending that Russell's performance could be that he's just plain unhappy in Seattle. I find that a little hard to believe, but everyone, even Anthony if he were to ever come back in here, would admit that something is definitely wrong with Russell. He's not the same quarterback.

[obiken]

He was rushed back too soon, he had no OLine and is rushing the ball. See how fast he leaves Seattle, and does well.

[NorthHawk]

I think that month off really set him back. It's almost like TC where missed passes and matchups are often the norm.
He wasn't doing that great this year, but now back from injury it's even worse.

[Hawktawk]

He was rushed back too soon, he had no OLine and is rushing the ball. See how fast he leaves Seattle, and does well.

I wish Russ nothing but the best whether he stays or goes but the problems didn’t start with the hand . I think Russ is olded out at a relatively young age . As he said “ tired of being hit so much “ he’s playing like a guy who has been hit too much . He’s seeing the rush instead of the field . Doing weird things when throwing to avoid contact . 2 career backups have outplayed him by ten miles . Time to quit blaming everyone else . Russ has been at his worst in the biggest games for years .

For all the hoopla the team has 3 postseason wins since “the play”. Significant elements of the LOB remained for a couple more seasons . We have 1 in the last 5 years . All wild card games . The really good times have been over a while now . Russ was absolutely dreadful vs the Rams , beaten by a QB with a broken thumb weeks from being shipped off .

Russ is not playing elite anymore.

[TriCitySam]

He was rushed back too soon, he had no OLine and is rushing the ball. See how fast he leaves Seattle, and does well.

Perhaps, but he was doing the rushing....as I commented in an earlier thread, the "what's wrong with Russ?" conversation goes back to last year. He is not playing well - but there are NONE of the pieces that are playing well right now (O). One thing we learned? It wasn't Schottenheimer......

[trents]

I can't see Russ prospering with the Giants. They have a lot of the same problems as the Seahawks do. That would be a lateral move for Russ. And Daniel Jones coming to Seattle? Jones has big problems with decision making and INTs.

[RiverDog]

I can't see Russ prospering with the Giants. They have a lot of the same problems as the Seahawks do. That would be a lateral move for Russ. And Daniel Jones coming to Seattle? Jones has big problems with decision making and INTs.

I'm not saying that Jones would be our QBOTF, but he was a #6 overall so he obviously has a pretty high upside. Sometimes all players need is a change of scenery, a different mix of coaches and teammates, to jump start their career, with Drew Brees being a good example.

In any event, Jones would be an obvious player to include in a trade and could compete for the starting job.

[obiken]

I'm not saying that Jones would be our QBOTF, but he was a #6 overall so he obviously has a pretty high upside. Sometimes all players need is a change of scenery, a different mix of coaches and teammates, to jump start their career, with Drew Brees being a good example.

In any event, Jones would be an obvious player to include in a trade and could compete for the starting job.

Oh River, NOT A CHANCE!! DJ is a bust!! He set the career mark last year for fumbles, and his decision making process is horrible!! NO way do we bring here! I would rather go with the NHawk solution and roll the dice with Geno. I want to go on record as saying I dont think Russ is done, I do not agree with TS, I think we ship out PC and rebuild with RW. I am telling you guys, I think if Cleveland puts RW behind their stacked team, they are an instant Championship contender, period.

[Hawktawk]

Id be curious to see Daniel Jones last 3 game offensive numbers and compare them to our guy. Jones problems are a lot like Genos were in NY early in his career. Mobile and with big arm but far too many mistakes playing on bad teams trying to do too much.

Jones is top 5 in the 40 yd dash for a qb Id bet. He's got all the measurables, tall, big arm, intelligent. He can make every throw. Its all about the turnovers, not just picks but lots of fumbles, a record number for this amount of start's I believe. If he were part of a package Id be willing to kick the tires but Id want to keep Geno around and have an open competition in TC

[RiverDog]

I'm not saying that Jones would be our QBOTF, but he was a #6 overall so he obviously has a pretty high upside. Sometimes all players need is a change of scenery, a different mix of coaches and teammates, to jump start their career, with Drew Brees being a good example.

In any event, Jones would be an obvious player to include in a trade and could compete for the starting job.

Oh River, NOT A CHANCE!! DJ is a bust!! He set the career mark last year for fumbles, and his decision making process is horrible!! NO way do we bring here! I would rather go with the NHawk solution and roll the dice with Geno. I want to go on record as saying I dont think Russ is done, I do not agree with TS, I think we ship out PC and rebuild with RW. I am telling you guys, I think if Cleveland puts RW behind their stacked team, they are an instant Championship contender, period.

Obi, you can't label Jones a bust anymore that I can label him a HOF'er. He's only 24 years old. He wouldn't be handed the starting job, he'd have to compete for it.

There's a couple of problems with a Russell to Cleveland trade, first and foremost being Russell's no trade clause. Do you think that Russell and his Hollywood wife are going to want to live in Cleveland for half the year? Secondly, Cleveland doesn't have the draft firepower that the Giants do. If the season were to end today, the Giants would have the #5 and #7 overall. Cleveland, with just one pick in the first round, is sitting on the #17 overall. Thirdly, Cleveland is a run first team. Given how frustrated Russell is with Pete's offense, I doubt that he'd want to play in Cleveland's offense.

[RiverDog]

Id be curious to see Daniel Jones last 3 game offensive numbers and compare them to our guy. Jones problems are a lot like Genos were in NY early in his career. Mobile and with big arm but far too many mistakes playing on bad teams trying to do too much.

Jones is top 5 in the 40 yd dash for a qb Id bet. He's got all the measurables, tall, big arm, intelligent. He can make every throw. Its all about the turnovers, not just picks but lots of fumbles, a record number for this amount of start's I believe. If he were part of a package Id be willing to kick the tires but Id want to keep Geno around and have an open competition in TC

Jones has a huge upside which is why he was a #6 overall. He'd get a chance to work in a different offense with a different coordinator and different QB coach, so who knows. His rookie deal is up after next season so we wouldn't be committing to more than a year if he were included in a trade. I see no downside in him being thrown in as a kicker in a possible Wilson to the Giants trade.

[Hawktawk]

In any event, Jones would be an obvious player to include in a trade and could compete for the starting job.

I am telling you guys, I think if Cleveland puts RW behind their stacked team, they are an instant Championship contender, period.[/quote]


Mayfield is .500 his last 4. Hes kinda the white RW right now but of the 2 Id pick Mayfield as having the best chance of shaking it off and turning it around. He's much younger and IMO mentally tougher by far. He's playing with a torn labrum and ankle injury right now as well.

Again you folks thinking there's this huge trade bonanza out there for Russ? Caroll answered "yes "when asked if he would consider benching Russ. The sportswriters are whispering, the pundits, hes fading quickly like they all do except Tom Brady.Its only 10 years but probabaly 14 or 15 years worth of hits.

Id probably take Mayfield over Daniel Jones right now. And again lets rewind 10 months to the 12-4 Seahawks vs the Rams in the WC in Seattle. As Russ was going 11-29 with a pick 6 and garbage time TD to make it still not close Mayfield was in 3 rivers stadium in Pittsburgh. He won in Pittsburgh playing with a left tackle he met in the locker room before the game, didn't take a single sack due to unloading the ball quickly and accurately as Russ took 5 with Donald out half the game. Ciera would divorce Russ if he took her to cleveland anyway.
and I just feel sacreligious saying it but I think weve seen the best of Russ a while ago and its gong south pronto. He says he's playing another 10 years? not like this. I want to be wrong but I fear Im not.

[NorthHawk]

I'm not sure Russ would permit a trade to Cleveland, but NY might be on his list because of his wife and her career.

I was watching NFL Live yesterday and they talked about how Russ doesn't seem emotionally involved and that the Offense was bland and telegraphing
what they are going to do. As well they went over the top draft picks for Seattle the last 10 years and how bad the trades were and why there is no
talent on this team excepting a few players. We've discussed these same things at times, too, so if a lot of people who rarely look at Seattle can
spot some of the problems, they must be fairly obvious.

[Hawktawk]

We had problems other than Russ last Monday . Collins fumble was huge and according to Russ he had DK for maybe a TD but got pressure and dumped it off on that play . Then the refs on Skins last drive .. haven’t heard much but I bet it was 40 penalty yards . Abmadi was ripped off . Several questionable fouls and why such a late flag on that hold ? Still we had enough chances with guys open and either miss them or not even see them the game was winnable . It’s harder being a fan of a lousy Hawks team than it used to be when they sucked most years . Kind of like getting real good at golf then getting old and losing it . Not much fun .

[RiverDog]

I'm not sure Russ would permit a trade to Cleveland, but NY might be on his list because of his wife and her career.

I was watching NFL Live yesterday and they talked about how Russ doesn't seem emotionally involved and that the Offense was bland and telegraphing
what they are going to do. As well they went over the top draft picks for Seattle the last 10 years and how bad the trades were and why there is no
talent on this team excepting a few players. We've discussed these same things at times, too, so if a lot of people who rarely look at Seattle can
spot some of the problems, they must be fairly obvious.

And it's not just Russell that might object to a Cleveland trade. Knowing what we do about his Hollywood wife, I doubt that she'd like living under the bright lights of iron ore ships docked on Lake Erie.

Since our loss Monday night, I've heard the same things you have mentioned by various talking heads on ESPN and NFL Network. It's definitely a consensus opinion that most of us have agreed with.

[trents]

I wonder what Russ Wilson's trade value is anymore. Certainly, not what it was two years ago.

[RiverDog]

I wonder what Russ Wilson's trade value is anymore. Certainly, not what it was two years ago.

Although it's a fair assumption to conclude that the shine has come off of the Russell Wilson penny over the past year, I don't think it's diminished so much to significantly impact his trade value. He's a proven commodity and there is a legitimate injury to blame at least some of his recent performance woes onto.

IMO 2 top ten picks and Daniel Jones for Russell is a fair trade for both sides.

[Hawktawk]

I’d take it in a New York minute .maybe Gettelman is dumb enough to do it . But remember Russ has 6 more games . He needs some wins or at least solid stats .

If this is the trajectory and PC leaves him in there to verify what many are thinking which is yeah it’s only 10 seasons but the mans in decline right now it’s gonna tank his value .If it’s so bad Pete has to yank him it’s no better . You can put in the time and the reps and film study but when you’re reading the rush instead of the field that’s it . We will rue not shipping him away in the off-season .

[obiken]

There is NO way we should bring a Daniel Jones as a deal for RW, not a chance! It will be our version of trading Farve to the Packers for a 1st rounder!

[RiverDog]

There is NO way we should bring a Daniel Jones as a deal for RW, not a chance!

Obi, rather than looking at the proposal in terms of the player's current performance, take a look at it from a financial perspective.

Two of the QB's that we've heard mentioned in a possible Russell Wilson trade are Derek Carr of the Raiders and Baker Mayfield of the Browns. Both of those guys are not only older, but they're also very highly paid, both between $18-20M a season. Jones is on the 3rd year of his rookie contract and is making just $4m. He has just one year remaining on that contract, so if he flops, we can let him go and be no worse off, and if he succeeds, we can pick up his 5th year for about the same that we'd be paying Mayfield or Carr. For a difference of $15M, we could get that solid lineman that you've been dreaming of.

[Hawktawk]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/re ... ar-AARCjUg


Looks like Russell's camp is leaking like the Trump WH again. These choices sound very plausible and would make sense other than this constant BS about not having protection which Ill predict will never be able to protect Russ playing Russes way anywhere no matter who the line is. In his last month alone I've seen him take half a dozen of the worst most preventable sacks ever. And leaking this out when the team is *still competing*, well assuming its accurate its just the Narcissist in Russ rearing his head again. Its got to be all about him now from doing pregame warmups in a cast to forcing his way back a month early to now cranking this up again while his guys are still battling their @$$ off.


See ya. Seriously. Make the best deal and gtfo of the marriage. I just want a NEW COACH AND FO to spend the draft picks assuming he is able to produce a similar or better performance than last weeks game and maintain his trade value..

[RiverDog]

All I can say is that it's going to be an interesting offseason. I think we're seeing the last episodes of the Pete and Russell show.

[I-5]

Unless Russ himself demands a trade, there is zero reason for the Seahawks to trade him.

[obiken]

Unless Russ himself demands a trade, there is zero reason for the Seahawks to trade him.

He will it Pete stays, if Pete goes RW stays, period.