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No, the thread title wasn't a mistake.

In previous seasons when we fielded playoff quality teams, this would have been almost a gimme. Washington has a losing record, no franchise type quarterback, and a suspect defense that is minus their top pass rusher (Chase Young).

But this game? The Redskins (oops! Hand over mouth) have won their last two games in a row, including a victory over the mighty Tampa Bay Bucs. What's our most notable win? The season opener against the Colts.

My take is that we lose this game by 7.

This might be the game that puts the nail in the coffin - not just on our playoff chances, but maybe an entire era of winning football. Vegas has the game about even, which I think is right. I do think we play better on the road, but the question is, can Wilson/Waldron pull off a successful offensive showing?

Funny thing is the league is pretty soft right now. If they turned it around, they could make the playoffs on the tail end. Not a real run or anything, but sneak in given how bad the league is right now.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Funny thing is the league is pretty soft right now. If they turned it around, they could make the playoffs on the tail end. Not a real run or anything, but sneak in given how bad the league is right now.

The league is crazy. I've never seen so many teams that look great one weekend, horrible the next. It has to start settling out soon. The Niners have the hot hand now, and we play them on 6 days rest.

Watching all the games on the Red Zone, I've never seen so much horrible QB play on one weekend. Last night's Browns-Ravens QB's were terrible, off target, making bad decisions, throwing into coverage. Lamar Jackson tosses 4 INT's and Baker Mayfield can't even complete 50% of his passes. Worthlessburger looked bad. Jalen Hurts torpedoed the Eagles chances. Cam Newton was 5-21 with 2 picks, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Hebert, the list goes on forever.

RiverDog wrote:Funny thing is the league is pretty soft right now. If they turned it around, they could make the playoffs on the tail end. Not a real run or anything, but sneak in given how bad the league is right now.

The league is crazy. I've never seen so many teams that look great one weekend, horrible the next. It has to start settling out soon. The Niners have the hot hand now, and we play them on 6 days rest.

Watching all the games on the Red Zone, I've never seen so much horrible QB play on one weekend. Last night's Browns-Ravens QB's were terrible, off target, making bad decisions, throwing into coverage. Lamar Jackson tosses 4 INT's and Baker Mayfield can't even complete 50% of his passes. Worthlessburger looked bad. Jalen Hurts torpedoed the Eagles chances. Cam Newton was 5-21 with 2 picks, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Hebert, the list goes on forever.[/quote]

The league is extremely weak for the most part this year. Its whats maddening. it really would have been easy to be competitive if the team was even mediocre. But the QB has gone 2.5 games without a TD pass while the offense has scored a total of 20 points in those games . The defense made Colt Mccoy look like A rod . we've had at least 3 games this season that weren't even competitive at the end after not losing by over 10 points for many years of this regime.

Were not sneaking anywhere. Were done. Detroit will beat us. If this team wins 5 games all year Ill be shocked. Over, way over. They are looking for the black box as we speak. Crashed and burned.
Prove me wrong Hawks

RiverDog wrote:No, the thread title wasn't a mistake.

In previous seasons when we fielded playoff quality teams, this would have been almost a gimme. Washington has a losing record, no franchise type quarterback, and a suspect defense that is minus their top pass rusher (Chase Young).

But this game? The Redskins (oops! Hand over mouth) have won their last two games in a row, including a victory over the mighty Tampa Bay Bucs. What's our most notable win? The season opener against the Colts.

My take is that we lose this game by 7.

7 might be optimistic. I've had a chance to watch this heineken kid quite a bit. He is extremely mobile and I believe among league leaders as a rushing qb. He has an extremely live arm and has thrown 15 TD passes. A bit generous with the ball with 9 picks. But he looks starter quality to me and just beat the goat with a surgical precision gritty grind the clock to zero touchdown drive in a tight game. he's fearless throwing the ball into tight windows. I read a quote from him yesterday saying Russel Wilson was his idol growing up and he patterned his game after him and now he wants to beat him. His game is tailor made for a defense that is suddenly cornerless again and cant get pressure. meanwhile Russ and the offense . WTF is minus Young and also their bookend pass rusher but a college defense could stop what I've seen lately.

Like last week with 30 mil a year in your QB, 37 mil in your mike and safety and 10 in your coach there's no excuse or maybe that's the excuse .If the Hawks really care, if there are really some proud men in that locker room they should come out like a house on fire and score some points in front of the whole world. If this doom and gloom negative press and fans booing and teammates leaking stories of dysfunction and confusion can't motivate these guys it truly is over, there is no one more year scenario. Clean house.

It might be a completely meaningless game, but especially since we're without a #1 draft pick, there's no reason to hope for anything but a win tonight. I don't think that a win guarantees Pete another year nor would a loss seal his fate and it has little bearing on the playoff race, but I don't want our organization to ever think that losing is tolerable.

For the first time in a decade, we're entering the month of December with little if any hope of post season play. It's a strange feeling.

The conference is so bad we could be one game out with 6 to play with a win . But we have 3 division games left and will be dogs in every one except maybe 9ers. Maybe . I always root to watch a win , not draft picks or a last place schedule . Just not optimistic
Prove me wrong hawks !

Hawktawk wrote:The conference is so bad we could be one game out with 6 to play with a win . But we have 3 division games left and will be dogs in every one except maybe 9ers. Maybe . I always root to watch a win , not draft picks or a last place schedule . Just not optimistic
Prove me wrong hawks !

Have you watched the Niners lately? They're hot, just got through beating a very good Vikings team, won 3 in a row including a b**** slapping of the Rams. Jimmy G is finally healthy and has found a groove. Their defense is playing lights out. They've been getting players healthy. Nick Bosa has 11 sacks in as many games. If the game were held today, we'd be heavy 'dogs.

Hard to have even a glimmer of hope of the playoffs, but mathematically still not out of it.

More than that I want to see the team finish the season showing some fight and some grit. There’s got to be some pride left on this team to not go out like chumps. I’d be more than happy just to see them playing good football again even if it means close losses and missing the playoffs.

MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:Hard to have even a glimmer of hope of the playoffs, but mathematically still not out of it.

More than I want to see the team finish the season showing some fight and some grit. There’s got to be some pride left on this team to not go out like chumps. I’d more than happy just to see them playing good football again even if it means close losses and missing the playoffs.

There's a small part of me that wants to see us lose all of our remaining games. I am haunted by the thought that if we win a few games the rest of the way out that we'll do just enough to cause our ownership will think that we're not that far away from competing, that if we stay the course for just one more year, everything will fix itself and just like the good ole days, we'll be Super Bowl contenders again. Losing big would drive home the point that this team needs to be blown up.

I'm reminded of our 1998 season, in the last game of the year when we got beat on what arguably was the most influential bad call in the history of the game: Vinny Testaverde's helmet touchdown that gave the Jets a 32-31 win. It was the last play of the game and had that play been called correctly, had instant replay been in place, we would have won and made the playoffs. Dennis Erickson would have kept his job, Mike Holmgren would have never been hired, and we would have continued to spit out .500ish teams for at least another year. Vinnie Testaverde's helmet touchdown was truly a blessing in disguise.

But I have to trust the logical side of my brain, which tells me that it's never OK to lose games no matter what the circumstances are.

We have injuries on the OL with Lewis and Jones out along with Brown having a nagging injury.
We are also down to 2 RBs with only DJ Dallas and Alex Collins healthy although we picked up BJ Emmons but he probably won't remember the playbook from his time in TC.
We aren't a deep enough team to absorb injuries to starters, but sometimes things just click and we get a good performance from the group so there is hope.

I think the writing is on the wall for Wilson to leave because Pete said the other day that he will be "simplifying the Offense" for future games. I would suspect it will be
just like last year that pissed Wilson off, so in my mind it increases the possibility he will want out.

Russ has put up 13 points last game after being shut out . He hasn’t personally thrown a TD pass in over 2 months . He’s completing 50% of his throws except 3rd down which is closer to a league worst by far 32 % which is why we can’t possess the ball and move the chains and this trend has gone on the better part of a calendar year .


Obviously we need to change and if it pisses Russ off fine. We’ve won one WC game in the last 5 years . It’s been over a while . He can go be someone else’s erratic head case prima Donna.

My only gripe about Wilson being upset about a simplified offense is that he’s not playing like someone who can handle anymore than that. He won’t take check downs. He won’t utilize his tight ends and slot receivers in the middle. He needs to sack up and play like the blue chip quarterback he’s paid like and thinks he is. There’s QBs out there less accomplished than him with less talent doing more for their teams. He has said it himself: “Excuses are for people that make them.” All he has is excuses right now. Time for him to ditch that noise and start playing ball again.

SI came out with an article that makes a case for shutting down Russell for the rest of the season:

From the Seahawks' perspective, it begins with facing facts: they have a six percent chance of making the postseason, per FiveThirtyEight.com. It's not happening, and the sooner they recognize that, the better. Everything they do from this point forward has to be with the future in mind, and that starts with Wilson.

At this point in the year, a re-aggravation of his healing finger or another serious injury could very well linger into the 2022 campaign. Whether he plays in Seattle or not next season, keeping him as healthy as possible has to be in the organization's best interests, either for the sake of trade value or the offense's potential.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/an ... uxbndlbing

We'll see what happens tonight, but if Russell doesn't play any better than he has in his last two outings since his return, I'm for shutting him down for the rest of the season whether he wants to or not.

Brutal

Unabashed suckage.....

Nice drive then oh we need a short yard let’s run Dee Jay East and West . I hate Waldrons calls . He could suck start a Harley Davidson

Damn. Getting our asses beat by Washington. Pathetic.

The OL is garbage so the RB doesn't even matter and Wilson can't get the ball to any playmakers. Sure, maybe Waldron could call a better game, but when I see this team I don't think they can playcall their way to a successful offense. Outside of DK and Lockett (and maybe Disley or Lewis), I'd be okay with complete turnover on the offense.

Oly wrote:The OL is garbage so the RB doesn't even matter and Wilson can't get the ball to any playmakers. Sure, maybe Waldron could call a better game, but when I see this team I don't think they can playcall their way to a successful offense. Outside of DK and Lockett (and maybe Disley or Lewis), I'd be okay with complete turnover on the offense.

I would add Everett to that list. I can’t understand why they don’t use him more.

Knox would have benched Russ score notwithstanding . Somethings wrong . So many bad passes in critical moments . I give him credit for making it close but he threw the 2 point into triple coverage to Freddie Swain with open receivers elsewhere . I feel bad for our defense .

The offense looked just awful last night. There was one stretch where we had 5 straight 3 and outs, and this against a team ranked last on 3rd down. We now rank dead last on 3rd down conversions at 32%.

The only reason we were in that game is because their PK was hurt. Washington would have kicked a chip shot FG to make it a 2 score game with 3 minutes left. Plus we got a gift 3 point swing on the most freakish PAT I've ever witnessed in my 60+ years of watching football. I once saw what amounted to a pick 6 on a 2 point attempt, but never have I seen a blocked kick returned for 2 points. And you can't even call it a block, as the trajectory was so low.

Metcalf wasn't getting open. He had zero targets until the 4th quarter, throws a sideline tantrum, then of course, Russell immediately passes up a wide open receiver across the middle in an attempt to throw to a covered Metcalf.

Russ had some nice throws, but he sailed a number of passes, too. Whether or not his finger is hindering his performance...and at this point, I hope that is the case as if it's not, he has an even bigger problem,,,,I'm for shutting him down.

We need more than just a tweak here or a tweak there. The entire team needs to be blown up. Yeah, there's a few that we could justify holding onto, but we need a roster turnover like Pete did in his first year. Trade Metcalf. If Russell wants out, which if he gets benched like he should he's likely going to want out, then trade his ass, too.

We need a complete overhaul. It was a fun ride while it lasted, but Pete and JS both need to go.

NorthHawk wrote:I would add Everett to that list. I can’t understand why they don’t use him more.

Even when I posted that I was thinking about him, but for some reason I was thinking he was quite a bit older than he was. But he has 5 years experience and is 27, so I'd definitely add him to that list.

It really boils down to not dominating along the Lines of Scrimmage.
Without controlling that, no game plan or scheme will consistently be effective and other players at skill positions won't be able to produce.
It's a pretty simple philosophy, but it's true.

NorthHawk wrote:It really boils down to not dominating along the Lines of Scrimmage.
Without controlling that, no game plan or scheme will consistently be effective and other players at skill positions won't be able to produce.
It's a pretty simple philosophy, but it's true.

Agreed. This is Pete's chickens coming home to roost. He's ignored the lines, particularly the OL, for years.

Line schmein. Our D line actually got pressure a few times and Heineken made some amazing escapes to throw passes accurately kind of like Russ used to do.They were missing their top 2 pass rushers and finished the game on their 4th center of the year.

And on offense our stretch of 5 consecutive 3 and outs was the worst since SEAHAWKS WEEK FOUR when a presumably healthy Russ did the same thing vs the 9ers in the first half. Then he went off in the 4th quarter of that game to win it 28-21 with the same line. The finger isn't right and unlike you RD, Russ and we better hope it still IS injured ( I think he is)or he's throwing the ball like Cam Newton the rest of his short career. He's losing his grip on the ball on the wild misses, obviously. The rest of the time its spinning fine. He was standing up just fine when he overthrew Everett by a yard on a play that may not have picked up the first anyway. Missed him again 6 feet wide right. Threw it to nobody. DK chucked his defender, knocked him on his butt and was standing all alone in the slot and Russ goes out of bounds the other way, doesn't even look at his bad ass wideout at all after the snap . Then he throws it 2 yards out of bounds to DK with another receiver open. He's not reading the field which has nothing to do with the finger and that started long before the finger . The end of game drive that was only possible due to the WTF having no kicker was nice but the critical 2 point???? Straight drop with no run option and Russ sails a no chance ball into triple coverage with 2 far more open options.

His game reminds me kind of like Hass at the end lately. Very poor play early in games then a flurry of yards and points late vs prevent to make the score appear closer than it was. Hasses last ever start as a Hawk vs Chicago in the divisional in 2010 comes to mind. But it was a loser strategy and this is now. We will rue not granting Russell his wishes and making a mega deal before the season. His value is dropping like a stone.

Hawktawk wrote:Line schmein. Our D line actually got pressure a few times and Heineken made some amazing escapes to throw passes accurately kind of like Russ used to do.They were missing their top 2 pass rushers and finished the game on their 4th center of the year.

And on offense our stretch of 5 consecutive 3 and outs was the worst since SEAHAWKS WEEK FOUR when a presumably healthy Russ did the same thing vs the 9ers in the first half. Then he went off in the 4th quarter of that game to win it 28-21 with the same line. The finger isn't right and unlike you RD, Russ and we better hope it still IS injured ( I think he is)or he's throwing the ball like Cam Newton the rest of his short career. He's losing his grip on the ball on the wild misses, obviously. The rest of the time its spinning fine. He was standing up just fine when he overthrew Everett by a yard on a play that may not have picked up the first anyway. Missed him again 6 feet wide right. Threw it to nobody. DK chucked his defender, knocked him on his butt and was standing all alone in the slot and Russ goes out of bounds the other way, doesn't even look at his bad ass wideout at all after the snap . Then he throws it 2 yards out of bounds to DK with another receiver open. He's not reading the field which has nothing to do with the finger and that started long before the finger . The end of game drive that was only possible due to the WTF having no kicker was nice but the critical 2 point???? Straight drop with no run option and Russ sails a no chance ball into triple coverage with 2 far more open options.

His game reminds me kind of like Hass at the end lately. Very poor play early in games then a flurry of yards and points late vs prevent to make the score appear closer than it was. Hasses last ever start as a Hawk vs Chicago in the divisional in 2010 comes to mind. But it was a loser strategy and this is now. We will rue not granting Russell his wishes and making a mega deal before the season. His value is dropping like a stone.

Pete's Defense depends on a pass rush and run stuffing from the front 4 along with good LB and Secondary play. It's a simple concept that works well if you have all of the pieces.
Our Defense has done pretty well lately, but being on the field for 40+ minutes/game will never get you wins on a consistent basis. We also have trouble taking away other teams
ability to run or the ability to pass consistently. That's what other teams are doing to us - making us only a passing team and we aren't good enough along the line to force our will on them.
Russell hasn't been playing well, for certain but not many QBs do play well when they can't do the things that make their Offense work.

Hawktawk wrote:Knox would have benched Russ score notwithstanding . Somethings wrong . So many bad passes in critical moments . I give him credit for making it close but he threw the 2 point into triple coverage to Freddie Swain with open receivers elsewhere . I feel bad for our defense .

RW hasn't played well since mid-point last year. Why, I don't know. However, he has a ton of outside interests and his hiring Jake Heaps (who was pushing the "let Russ cook" line) as his "personal QB coach" may not have been the best move...he's playing like Heaps. He's dead last in 3rd down conversion this year and was 27th last year. He overlooks a lot of shorter open routes. Not winning football.

Hawktawk wrote:The finger isn't right and unlike you RD, Russ and we better hope it still IS injured.

Where did you get that? Or did you make a mistake and said unlike as opposed to like?

Here's what I said: "Russ had some nice throws, but he sailed a number of passes, too. Whether or not his finger is hindering his performance...and at this point, I hope that is the case as if it's not, he has an even bigger problem,,,,I'm for shutting him down..

Sounds like we said the same thing . So I agree . If it’s not the finger he’s like a pitcher that’s lost the ability to throw strikes. If it’s the finger he should be sitting for everyone’s best interests including his own . I know I’ll catch crap but why not see what 2021 Geno Smith looks like over 6 games? if he’s worth keeping around as a gap guy with a chance to earn the job . Or wheter the flawless performance vs Jax in our only win of the last 7 was a mirage, bad competition , luck etc . TOP was also even in that game along with 24 points .As TCS points out Russ was 27th in 3rd down % last year . Really hollow stats with all the yards and chunk plays but not able to move the chains in crunch time .
It won’t happen . PC will never bench Russ this year no matter how bad it gets

The TOP is what stands out for me. It's week after week. Going into this game they were dead last in the league with a TOP of 25:18. The next worse is Jacksonville and they are a full 2 minutes above the Seahawks mark (27:22). The best in the league is the Ravens at 32:52.

Today the Seahawk's TOP was 19:38. That is just gross. For how good I felt about a new OC coming in this year and really turning this offense around, I feel equally as horrible about it now. The offseason drama took its toll on this team, RW3 isn't the same, the O-line appears to be the same as always, there is no run game to speak of (averaging about 95 yards a game but on a steady decline the last 4 games), and the offense once again seems predicated on RW3 breaking the pocket and hitting an off script play downfield. Same old, same old.

So to follow up on this from last week, the Seahawks TOP vs The Football Team last night was 18:20. Are you kidding me?? They obviously remain 32nd in the league for that category (24:09), with Jacksonville in 31st at 27:00, almost a full 3 minutes away from the next team. Ravens still in 1st at 33:47.

Their average in the last 3 games is 19:36, dead last. The next worst is the Rams at 24:32. The WFT is 1st at 38:53.

I feel bad for anyone playing on their D right now. They are spending so much time on the field watching their offense go 3 and out on a regular basis, and really not converting many 3rd downs even when they get a 1st down or two on a drive. It is just mind boggling how bad this offense is right now. DK didn't get a target until late 3rd quarter I think? And first catch with less than 3 minutes left in the game? Non existent run game, Russ is looking as bad as I ever remember, Pete looks lost and stunned on the sidelines. It is crumbling down fast.

Their average in the last 3 games is 19:36, dead last. The next worst is the Rams at 24:32. The WFT is 1st at 38:53.

I'm surprised the Rams are also so low in TOP. I'm just as surprised WFT is 1st in TOP. You'd think their records would be reversed.

Rams are 0-3 last 3. WTF is 3-0 last 3. We have lost 6 of 7 and our only win was with a guy named Geno at QB with almost 28 min TOP along with 24 points. Top can be overcome by a great SCORING offense and usually high flying offenses tend to be short on TOP because they are so explosive they score quickly. Like Seattle first half of last year. It can also be overcome by a filthy defense that refuses to lose no matter how many 3 and outs their QB pitches. LOB could do that. These guys did damn good monday considering we have probably the worst QB in the league right now but they are worn out and haven't got a damn thing to show for it.

https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/n ... 17637.html

Tough read by Gregg Bell. A few high points Carroll when asked if he'd consider benching Russ "yeah" he's got to make the plays. He did add he can't imagine he wouldnt blah blah blah. Pete he hasn't!!!!!! He isn't!!!!!!! Our offense last 3 games is averaging worse PPG than the 92 offense with the likes of Jon Friesz, Jeff Kemp etc etc at QB and zero offensive talent. Knox would have yanked him already.
Russ on his play " I could have been a little cleaner".You think? Followed up 5 3 and outs with a 5 and out? He blamed the line for not being able to hit DK for maybe a TD after targeting him 4 times with mostly uncatchable out of bounds throw's.We have to figure out how to get him the ball, MOVE HIM AROUND MAYBE. Shot at Waldron?The last guy not named Wilson force fed DK the ball all night for multiple catches and 2 TDs.

The end of the statement from the podium is such self aggrandizing narcissistic happy speak . Its always been goofy but its really hard to listen to now. Just say "I suck right now".
This is so over.

Hawktawk wrote: The end of the statement from the podium is such self aggrandizing narcissistic happy speak . Its always been goofy but its really hard to listen to now. Just say "I suck right now". This is so over.

Yeah, I'm getting a little tired of listening to Russell using nothing but a bunch of metaphors and cliches to describe the game and the state of the team. I used to have to listen to my managers talk like that, and I couldn't look at them as I had to hide my face to keep them from seeing my eyeballs rolling.

But we have to keep in mind how difficult it must be to stand up there in front of a live microphone and for him or Pete to give a completely honest assessment of what's wrong with the team. Remember how we all reacted when Jim Mora threw his kicker under the bus after a tough loss? Mora made the mistake of speaking his mind in front of a public microphone and it likely was one of the reasons why he lost the locker room and became part of the justification for getting rid of him.

It's easy to give post game pressers when you win, and incredibly difficult when you lose as evidenced by Pete's uncharacteristically walking away from the podium during the last one.