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Rather unlike Pete. Seems to be fishing for excuses now. I wonder how much they'll fine him.

"As they're explaining it to me, they already started the shot clock, so I don't even know what the distance is on the play until I'm looking around. It's fourth down. Oh, heck, we've got to kick the football and kick them deep. That's what I'm thinking. I didn't have a chance to even figure that out in enough time to go ahead and decide to go for it."

Why is Pete's default to punt every single time on 4th down? Other teams routinely go for - and convert - 4th downs. That's on him.

I-5 wrote:Why is Pete's default to punt every single time on 4th down? Other teams routinely go for - and convert - 4th downs. That's on him.

Perhaps part of it is because we are horrible on 4th down.

Our 4th down conversion rate is 20%, ranked 32nd, worst in the league BY FAR (the Bears are 31st at 27%). Russell Wilson is one of the smallest quarterbacks in the league and rarely runs QB sneaks. Specific to this game, we were without our best short yardage running back.

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That's one of the problems I have with analytics. They only calculate odds based on all 32 teams. They are not specific to the individual team.

trents wrote:https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32638605/pete-carroll-officials-played-huge-part-seattle-seahawks-loss-green-bay-packers

Rather unlike Pete. Seems to be fishing for excuses now. I wonder how much they'll fine him.

Saying that officiating played a huge part of the result isn't the same as blaming them for the loss.

I happen to agree with Pete, and IMO that officiating crew needs to be reprimanded.

Officiating across the league needs improvement, but that's not why we lost.
We lost because the GB Offense was able to grind our Defense down to the point they could impose their will on us and their Defense was better than our Offense
which doesn't have a ground game to grind out a series of 1st downs - or give us a chance to succeed on 4th and short.

I agree. The officiating was brutal. But Im not blaming them for Russ hitting the guy in the chest with a ball thrown 4 seconds after the snap. I blame Carrol for defending what Russ did there. I saw it coming before he released it. But yeah Lewis getting trucked, the fumble by Rodgers, I agree. But we lost because we couldn't score. penalties are part of every game. I dont like the pass PC seems to be giving Russ on this game.

Hawktawk wrote:I agree. The officiating was brutal. But Im not blaming them for Russ hitting the guy in the chest with a ball thrown 4 seconds after the snap. I blame Carrol for defending what Russ did there. I saw it coming before he released it. But yeah Lewis getting trucked, the fumble by Rodgers, I agree. But we lost because we couldn't score. penalties are part of every game. I dont like the pass PC seems to be giving Russ on this game.

He's always forgiven Russ. It's nothing new.

Compare it to Arians treatment of the greatest man ever to put on the pads after his 2 picks sunday. "Nothing wrong with the receivers, it was him". This is a 6-3 team leading its division coming off a Super bowl victory.

Maybe that's why they where they are, why they woundf up where they were last year . Meanwhile we haven't won a divisional or even been particularly competitive in one since our last Super bowl team 7 years ago. and weve accepted that mediocre ceiling all this time and now its slipped below that. And to paraphrase Bob Irsay "star wars numbers and very little hardware to show for it". Weve not been particularly relevant for a while.

Arians later backtracked on what he said, but it's different styles of coaching, that's all.

RiverDog wrote:Saying that officiating played a huge part of the result isn't the same as blaming them for the loss.

I disagree since Pete seemed to be unwilling to accept responsibility for some bad coaching and bad player execution. And by "shifting blame to the refs" I did not mean he placed the entire burden of the loss on the refs but rather he moved some or much of it from his plate to theirs. My point was this is a departure from Pete's normal mode of operation. I have never heard him criticize the officiating before and I wonder if it reflects an attitude of desperation.

I’ve heard PC be critical of officials before but it seems he and Russ are kind of delusional about why we lost the game . Our 2013 champions were one of it not the most penalized teams in the league and I think the same is true of the 2012 ravens champs . When you lose a nail biter a couple bad calls can be the difference but when you don’t score despite excellent field position and your blaming the refs for not calling an interception a drop( maybe it was ) but the ball should never have been thrown . I have not heard Pete really criticize that , almost try to justify it , also sort of excusing the brutal throw it up for grabs “He just made kind of a desperation throw there trying to get us back in the game “. Really ? I remember hearing Holmgren reaming both Favre and Hass for stuff like that . It’s just a curious protective relationship between Pete and RW and tension boiled under the surface for years but we were in the playoffs every year . Let’s see what happens . The team needs a win bad . If they lose to go 3-7 and Russ struggles again it might get ugly in the locker room and the stands for whoever still shows up.