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Posted: **Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:19 am**

Any of you guys been keeping up with this breaking scandal?

Monday morning. Jacksonville Jaguars coach Urban Meyer apologized over photos and a video that went viral over the weekend showing him at a bar cavorting with a young woman who was decidedly not his wife.

There’s been a lot of speculation about Meyer’s future in the National Football League. That speculation has only ramped up since the viral videos.

A former NFL GM (Michael Lombardi) is hearing that things could get “ugly” in Jacksonville: "According to two Jacksonville sources, there are many closed-door meetings happening over the last two days in the football offices and none of them have anything to do with the Titans. Stay tuned. This might get ugly."

Two employment contract terms might become tied to this development with the Jacksonville Jaguars — ‘morals clause’ and ‘for cause,'” sports law expert Michael McCann tweeted.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ne ... d=msedgntp

https://twitter.com/freak_leader/status ... 3425539073

Sort of reminds me of former WSU HC Mike Price and his short stint as Alabama's HC.

Posted: **Tue Oct 05, 2021 2:00 pm**

Typically dramatically overblown situation, but stupid, stupid of (almost no longer) Coach Meyer to go to a bar after his 4th loss in his former home in Ohio and allow unkown guests at the bar to cajole him into taking selfies and dancing. He deserves what he gets from the attack at all costs media and 'fans'.

I'll bet he travels with the team from this point on. Let the grandkids Skype him.

Posted: **Tue Oct 05, 2021 3:30 pm**

jshawaii22 wrote:Typically dramatically overblown situation, but stupid, stupid of (almost no longer) Coach Meyer to go to a bar after his 4th loss in his former home in Ohio and allow unkown guests at the bar to cajole him into taking selfies and dancing. He deserves what he gets from the attack at all costs media and 'fans'.

I'll bet he travels with the team from this point on. Let the grandkids Skype him.

I completely agree that it's way overblown and stupid of Meyer to have been behaving that way in public. He's been living in the fish bowl for decades and should know better. As a matter of fact, I see it in a humorous light and can't wait for all the jokes and memes to start coming out (as they did with Mike Price).

But this isn't going over well with the Jags management, and who can blame them. It must be a nightmare for them. There's rumors that Meyer has already lost the team, and since all players have clauses in their contracts about this very type of behavior, it's going to be really difficult for him to regain credibility especially given that the team is 0-4. I think he's toast.

Posted: **Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:02 pm**

Not sure if I agree with overblown. Your the high dollar face of the franchise. And at 0-4 I might want my coach watching either film from the last loss or on the next opponent.

Posted: **Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:11 pm**

TriCitySam wrote:Not sure if I agree with overblown. Your the high dollar face of the franchise. And at 0-4 I might want my coach watching either film from the last loss or on the next opponent.

It's overblown when you consider how harmless it is. The female in the video was obviously a very willing participant in the activity. There's been lots more disgusting behavior in this league, such as what Dan Snyder's WFT has done in the past.

That doesn't mean that I don't think that it shouldn't cost Meyer his job. It's pretty hard to get a 25 year old adult to accept a "do as I say, not as I do" rationalization. Management should be holding themselves to a higher standard than they do their players.

Posted: **Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:16 pm**

Harmless to who?. YOU? It’s not harmless to his wife, kids or the team. So if you think it’s acceptable behavior, then I’m wasting my time answering this. You can’t teach stupid.

Posted: **Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:20 pm**

TriCitySam wrote:Harmless to who?. YOU? It’s not harmless to his wife, kids or the team. So if you think it’s acceptable behavior, then I’m wasting my time answering this. You can’t teach stupid.

Yeah I completely agree with you TCS. This is a man making many millions a year to coach in the show. He goes to 0-4 and instead of getting on the plane with his dejected troops he goes out partying ? Then this story of the women just happening to stumble upon him and request a dance . It’s terrible for any married man unless his wife is present and does not object . Really the bottom line is his players consider him a complete fraud as many unnamed players are voicing . One player revealed Meyer had cancelled the Monday team meeting and described him as “ too scared “ to face his team .owner Chad Khan issued a blistering public takedown of Meyer today calling his actions inexcusable .

The more I’ve learned about Meyer the less I like him . He coddled the late Aaron Hernandez and may well have overlooked evidence he was involved in a drive by shooting while at Florida . A bad season and he’s burned out , needs to retire to spend time with his family . Oh wait it’s Ohio state on the phone . While there he continued to employ and defend a coach who had beaten his wife . The fallout led to his resignation eventually . Frankly Khan has to look at his GM, at himself for bringing in a guy with all this dirt on him. And I’ve been watching the train wreck for months . Meyer brought in a coach who had been fired for making racist comments at Missouri . Meyer defended the hire , said the guy had changed blah blah blah. He had to release him eventually. This locker room is gone . They think he’s a joke.

Posted: **Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:27 pm**

Isn’t Schottie the Qb coach there ? If I was Khan I know what I would do

Posted: **Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:27 pm**

There are actually two parts to this story. There was the initial report of some young woman bodying up to Meyer and him trying to (according to his testimony) fend her off and decline her attempts to get him on the dance floor. But later on at the same party someone snapped a photo of him groping the same woman's bottom. So, that makes his explanation of part one not so credible. Got a feeling this is not going to end well for him. 0-4 and then this lapse in judgement is going to give him a very short leash and might give him an abbreviated marriage as well.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:33 am**

TriCitySam wrote:Harmless to who?. YOU? It’s not harmless to his wife, kids or the team. So if you think it’s acceptable behavior, then I’m wasting my time answering this. You can’t teach stupid.

It was harmless to the participants in the video. Meyer didn't break any laws. That type of behavior goes on all the time in dance clubs around the country. When compared to other transgressions like harassment and assault, this behavior barely moves the needle.

As far as having caused any harm to his wife and kids, I'll leave that judgement to Meyer. How the hell do any of us know what harm, if any, it has caused his family?

I get the feeling that I'm wasting my time replying to someone that insists on putting words into my mouth that I didn't say. I did not say, nor did I suggest, that I regarded what Meyer did as acceptable behavior. Here's exactly what I said from comments directly above your response:

It's pretty hard to get a 25 year old adult to accept a "do as I say, not as I do" rationalization. Management should be holding themselves to a higher standard than they do their players.

Does that sound to you that I think that what Meyer did was acceptable? I wouldn't blame the Jags players for being upset, nor would I blame Jags management if they decide to terminate him based on this incident.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:02 am**

trents wrote:There are actually two parts to this story. There was the initial report of some young woman bodying up to Meyer and him trying to (according to his testimony) fend her off and decline her attempts to get him on the dance floor. But later on at the same party someone snapped a photo of him groping the same woman's bottom. So, that makes his explanation of part one not so credible. Got a feeling this is not going to end well for him. 0-4 and then this lapse in judgement is going to give him a very short leash and might give him an abbreviated marriage as well.

Yep, I saw that photo, too, and yes, it's making him appear even worse. Earlier in the year, Meyer counseled his rookie QB Trevor Lawrence about making good decisions after Lawrence announced that was going to Las Vegas for a bachelor party. This is the same Urban Meyer that claims to have led a bible study and was hired by Ohio State to teach a class in "Character and Leadership".

Even before this incident, Meyer's had some self inflicted controversy. He was roasted for giving his old buddy 34 year old Tim Tebow an opportunity to make the team as a tight end, a position Tebow had never played before. In February, he hired a controversial coach named Chris Doyle even though Meyer knew that Doyle had been accused by a number of players of making racially insensitive comments, initially defended him by saying that they had fully vetted Doyle, then abruptly fired him the next day.

So far, ownership is standing behind him and Meyer claims that all is well and good with the team, so we'll see.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:08 am**

Rd you indeed said it was harmless behavior . Your caveat came last . Reading what you wrote it’s easy to infer you really saw nothing wrong with it when it’s clear you did . No reason for a fight . I really wonder how a tool like Meyer ever got this chance anyway . He may know his Xs and Os but when you’re erupting after preseason losses you’re clearly too thin skinned for the league . As for the owner standing behind him I think it’s the dreaded vote of confidence . Khan was furious . I’m guessing a few more losses or meltdowns he’s gone .

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:34 am**

Hawktawk wrote:Rd you indeed said it was harmless behavior . Your caveat came last . Reading what you wrote it’s easy to infer you really saw nothing wrong with it when it’s clear you did . No reason for a fight.

And it's no reason for you to stick your nose into it. I expect my comments to be read in their entirety, not cherry picked. It's pretty clear from reading the rest of that paragraph where I said "There's been lots more disgusting behavior in this league, such as what Dan Snyder's WFT has done in the past" that I was speaking in a certain context, ie compared to Dan Snyder and WFT's scandal. It required no caveat.

Hawktawk wrote:I really wonder how a tool like Meyer ever got this chance anyway . He may know his Xs and Os but when you’re erupting after preseason losses you’re clearly too thin skinned for the league . As for the owner standing behind him I think it’s the dreaded vote of confidence . Khan was furious . I’m guessing a few more losses or meltdowns he’s gone .

I agree on both counts. I'm sure that the fact that Meyer had huge success at nearby U of Florida figured large into his hiring. Jacksonville is a small market team in an area that's dominated by college football and NASCAR. PR obviously figured into the hiring as much as X's and O's.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:34 am**

Rd it’s a forum . It’s a topic you shared although I was prepared to . When you post a confusing post that is tone deaf to the significance of this despite acknowledging it was wrong at the very end and I respond that’s not “ sticking my nose in it “ you need a chill pill my friend . Your probably my most kindred spirit on the forum but you’re getting a bit cranky at a minimum .

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:00 am**

Hawktawk wrote:Rd it’s a forum . It’s a topic you shared although I was prepared to . When you post a confusing post that is tone deaf to the significance of this despite acknowledging it was wrong at the very end and I respond that’s not “ sticking my nose in it “ you need a chill pill my friend . Your probably my most kindred spirit on the forum but you’re getting a bit cranky at a minimum .

Yeah, I apologize about my being a little cranky. But tone deaf? Gimme a break! There was nothing in my remarks, when looked at in their entirety, that would even remotely suggest that I was tone deaf to anything.

Let's set the personal crapola aside. Meyer isn't making things any better for himself. When asked yesterday about getting his team ready to play this weekend, here's what he had to say:

“I don’t believe that’s in my court. … The leaders on the team are going to make that decision. It depends on how much trust you have built up with them, how we structure everything this week and focus on winning that game. ... after he had said this: "I’m going to be extremely clear as I can; our staff is working their tails off. But you know as well as I do that the ownership of this team is with the players.”

https://twitter.com/APMarkLong/status/1 ... urce%3DRSS

So getting the Jags ready to play isn't the head coaches' job? The ownership of the team is with the players and not the coaches? Comments like those are confusing at best and at worst, could be interpreted as throwing his team under the bus.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:26 am**

I think the only way Meyer is going to survive all this is if the Jaguars start winning consistently and very soon. In the NFL, there is nothing like winning to create transgression amnesia in the ownership and fanbase.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:24 pm**

trents wrote:I think the only way Meyer is going to survive all this is if the Jaguars start winning consistently and very soon. In the NFL, there is nothing like winning to create transgression amnesia in the ownership and fanbase.

That's true, however, when you consider that the Jags have lost 17 games in a row, a winning streak seems pretty unlikely.

It sounds like Meyer has had some problems controlling his temper. From an article published a few weeks ago:

Meyer already has had “repeated issues” with his assistant coaches and has “rubbed the coaching staff and players the wrong way,” CBS Sports reported Sunday morning, citing sources.

“[Meyer] has everyone looking over their shoulders already,” one source told CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora. “He becomes unhinged way too easily, and he doesn’t know how to handle losing, even in the preseason. He loses it and wants to take over the drills himself. It’s not good.”

Another source told La Canfora that Meyer has “lashed out” at members of his coaching staff and “called some of their job security into question” after preseason losses.

“You can’t freak out about preseason games and belittle your coaches — on a staff you handpicked — every time things don’t go your way,” the second source said. “It’s not going to work here.”

https://nypost.com/2021/09/12/urban-mey ... uars-loss/

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:53 pm**

trents wrote:There are actually two parts to this story. There was the initial report of some young woman bodying up to Meyer and him trying to (according to his testimony) fend her off and decline her attempts to get him on the dance floor. But later on at the same party someone snapped a photo of him groping the same woman's bottom. So, that makes his explanation of part one not so credible. Got a feeling this is not going to end well for him. 0-4 and then this lapse in judgement is going to give him a very short leash and might give him an abbreviated marriage as well.

How stupid is the man in the age of everyone’s got a cell phone ? I’m amazed how often this happens to famous athletes , coaches etc .

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:57 pm**

trents wrote:I think the only way Meyer is going to survive all this is if the Jaguars start winning consistently and very soon. In the NFL, there is nothing like winning to create transgression amnesia in the ownership and fanbase.

I agree completely . My guess is this ass clown is just going to keep saying and doing dumb stuff . If he doesn’t start winning he’s gone

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:06 pm**

RD what I meant by tone deaf is suggesting this is harmless behavior on any level . Even in a generic husband wife scenario grabbing some co Ed booty while wife is not around is extremely bad behavior . Add all that Urban Meyer is responsible for , his record so far to be in this situation is very damaging , not harmless . It doesn’t need to be illegal to be very wrong and harmful .

Aside from that you document all the issues with the guy . Did you catch his presser a couple weeks ago when asked about the USC opening ?. He looked for all the world like a guy undergoing a colonoscopy while he tried to reassure the Jags he was here to “ build a culture “ horrible body language from an accomplished liar . I really don’t know what Khan is waiting for at this point . Give Schottie a shot!

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:39 pm**

Hawktawk wrote:RD what I meant by tone deaf is suggesting this is harmless behavior on any level . Even in a generic husband wife scenario grabbing some co Ed booty while wife is not around is extremely bad behavior . Add all that Urban Meyer is responsible for , his record so far to be in this situation is very damaging , not harmless . It doesn’t need to be illegal to be very wrong and harmful.

That's your definition, not mine. I was speaking strictly in relative terms. I was comparing Meyer's behavior with other well documented behaviors across the league and specifically mentioned Dan Snyder. The reason why I called it harmless is because outside of his private family, of which we know nothing about, there is no victim and no laws were broken. Hell, I've seen lots worse behavior in dance clubs for decades.

Hawktawk wrote:Aside from that you document all the issues with the guy . Did you catch his presser a couple weeks ago when asked about the USC opening ?. He looked for all the world like a guy undergoing a colonoscopy while he tried to reassure the Jags he was here to “ build a culture “ horrible body language from an accomplished liar . I really don’t know what Khan is waiting for at this point . Give Schottie a shot!

I was hoping that Cbob would weigh in on this incident as he has followed Meyer a lot closer than I have and would be in a better position to give an opinion on his character. I haven't paid much attention to the guy until just recently. All I can say is that he looks like the typical college coach who's out of place in the pro game. That was the main reason why I was against the Pete Carroll hire way back when. Boy, was I wrong on that one!

Posted: **Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:00 am**

Carroll had NFL experience as a HC so he knew for the most part what was coming his way.
Meyer, to me seemed like he wanted the position but doesn't want to do all of the work the NFL requires to keep the respect of the veterans.
What works for kids doesn't usually work for mature people trying to make a living or set themselves up for life.

Posted: **Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:11 am**

NorthHawk wrote:Carroll had NFL experience as a HC so he knew for the most part what was coming his way.
Meyer, to me seemed like he wanted the position but doesn't want to do all of the work the NFL requires to keep the respect of the veterans.
What works for kids doesn't usually work for mature people trying to make a living or set themselves up for life.

In retrospect, I think that you're exactly right. Pete had two NFL HC gigs before coaching at USC, and although he was unsuccessful at both, it gave him the experience of running an NFL team.

I'm not sure if an NFL head coach is more work than its college counterpart or if it's that the work is different. Both jobs are very time consuming. NFL coaches don't have to worry about recruiting and booster clubs.

The list of highly successful college coaches that were complete flops in the NFL is long. Just from my memory and without doing a Google, I can think of Steve Spurrier, Dennis Erickson, Chip Kelly, Bobby Petrio, Nick Saban, Barry Switzer, and Lou Holtz. Pete's one of the very few, with Jimmy Johnson being the other notable exception, that were able to successfully make the transition, and as you noted, we can probably put an asterisk next to his name due to his extensive NFL experience prior to taking the Hawks job.

Posted: **Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:01 am**

Apparently Meyer isn't out of the woods yet:

First, the Jaguars continue to explore Meyer’s failure to return to Jacksonville after the loss to the Bengals in Cincinnati. Last Monday, he said certain things when questioned about the situation. If those things, based on further investigation, end up being untrue in a sufficiently material way, Meyer could be fired — as soon as this week, but it would more likely happen after next Sunday’s game in London against the Dolphins.

In his first year in Jacksonville, he’s already hired and then fired assistant Chris Doyle, was fined heavily for comments that a player’s vaccination status was a factor in the team’s final roster decisions and now did not return with the team after a difficult loss in Cincinnati.

https://thespun.com/nfl/afc-south/jacks ... -from-over

Posted: **Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:24 am**

It isn’t just Doyle either . He repeatedly covered for a coach who had beaten his wife and defended the guy as some reformed saint when he was exposed . Same as Doyle . It’s in hindsight we learned he covered for Aaron Hernandez drug use and according to some people he was aware he was involved in a drive by shooting . How history might have changed if he hadn’t kicked the can down the road . Even his departure citing burnout and a wish to spend time with his family seemed more like a guy who lost Tebow , Hernandez , Harvin etc and didn’t replace them and wanted out of a fading program. Seeing his career trajectory since it’s obvious that’s what it was . Now hes saying he just happened to be at dinner and seeing the grandkids and blah blah blah which don’t explain that hand on the young girls

behind . For that matter I can it imagine another HC who would stay behind his 0-4 team.

I’m tellin ya. I don’t know what Khan is waiting for . Brian Schottenheimer interim head coach . Meyer will sign with USC immediately anyway .

Posted: **Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:34 am**

Hawktawk wrote:It isn’t just Doyle either . He repeatedly covered for a coach who had beaten his wife and defended the guy as some reformed saint when he was exposed . Same as Doyle . It’s in hindsight we learned he covered for Aaron Hernandez drug use and according to some people he was aware he was involved in a drive by shooting . How history might have changed if he hadn’t kicked the can down the road . Even his departure citing burnout and a wish to spend time with his family seemed more like a guy who lost Tebow , Hernandez , Harvin etc and didn’t replace them and wanted out of a fading program. Seeing his career trajectory since it’s obvious that’s what it was . Now hes saying he just happened to be at dinner and seeing the grandkids and blah blah blah which don’t explain that hand on the young girls behind . For that matter I can it imagine another HC who would stay behind his 0-4 team.

I’m tellin ya. I don’t know what Khan is waiting for . Brian Schottenheimer interim head coach . Meyer will sign with USC immediately anyway .

But that stuff all happened BEFORE Meyer was hired in Jacksonville. Kahn and the rest of the Jax FO must have known about that stuff and decided it wasn't bad enough to disqualify him.

I'm not defending Meyer. He sounds like a real scumbag. But if Khan is looking for a way out of the contract, he's not going to be able to do it by citing incidents prior to this year unless Meyer lied in his interviews or on his resume.

Posted: **Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:32 pm**

My point in running through the various incidents in meyers career is to demonstrate the lack of character of the man . It’s pretty easy to assume he’s told lies about this latest episode . When there’s a question if he even had permission to miss the flight one can only image the rest of the story . Last I saw they were on their way to 0-5. The locker room has been gone from day one . Time for Khan to cut his losses .

Posted: **Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:39 pm**

Hawktawk wrote:My point in running through the various incidents in meyers career is to demonstrate the lack of character of the man . It’s pretty easy to assume he’s told lies about this latest episode . When there’s a question if he even had permission to miss the flight one can only image the rest of the story . Last I saw they were on their way to 0-5. The locker room has been gone from day one . Time for Khan to cut his losses .

Oh, I agree that he sounds like a dirt bag, but I really haven't followed his career that closely, which is why I was hoping that Cbob would weigh in as I know he has.

From my understanding, it's pretty rare that a HC doesn't fly home with the team unless there is a pressing personal matter, something other than wanting to spend some time with family, and gives the appearance of him being indifferent to their plight, especially when he's seen out in a party situation w/o his wife. That alone should be reason enough to terminate him.

As far as the locker room being gone, it's quite likely true, but I don't see a lot of evidence of it. I watched parts of their game with the Titans today...I'm on my 2nd week of NFL Red Zone and I'm loving it...and they didn't have the look of a team that has mailed it in. But 0-5 and 20 straight losses isn't going to make things better.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:36 am**

The Urban Meyer story isn't going away. Tony Dungy recently weighed in:

“I played football for probably 16 years, total,” Dungy said, via ProFootballTalk. “I coached for 28 years. I never went to a game where the head coach didn’t come back with my team, me and myself for 13 years as a head coach, 15 years as an assistant, 15 years playing when the head coach went to a game, when we returned the head coach came back with us. So that to me, I just don’t know how you do that and say, ‘Hey, I’m going to stay in Ohio.’

That was the mistake to me. What happened in the bar or whatever, that’s secondary. You go back with your team. We finished by getting home and getting everybody — that’s your responsibility as the head coach to make sure everybody lands on that plane, safe, everybody gets back to the facility, then you do what you have to do.”

“You are responsible for those guys until the trip is over,” Dungy added. “Someone could get sick on the plane. The plane might get rerouted and you have to land somewhere else. We had that happen where we had a snowstorm and we had to turn around and land back in the city we just left and spend the night. You never know.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/to ... d=msedgntp

And now there's a controversy between him and his first overall pick Trevor Lawrence:

Urban Meyer and Trevor Lawrence didn’t appear to be on the same page following Sunday afternoon’s loss to the Tennessee Titans.

Jacksonville had a chance to make it close on Sunday, but the Jaguars were stuffed on a 4th and 1 attempt. The Jaguars chose to run the ball with tailback Carlos Hyde, rather than going for a quarterback sneak.

Meyer admitted following the game that Lawrence isn’t quite ready for the sneak. “He’s not quite comfortable with that yet. I know that might sound silly, but if you’ve never done it, it’s something that we need to keep [working on] so that we can make that call in that situation,” Meyer told reporters.

That’s fair enough. However, Lawrence disagreed. “No. I feel comfortable. Obviously I haven’t run it in a game, but I feel comfortable … no, QB sneak is something we can always get to and I feel comfortable with,” the rookie quarterback said.

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/tr ... after-game

Next to a kneel down, the quarterback sneak is the simplest play in football and requires almost no preparation. Meyer's response was very strange, like he's making up an excuse to avoid criticism.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:56 am**

NFL players are proud men . It’s called a work ethic . Many will play their rear off for no coach . The cowboys won a damn Lombardi with Barry Switzer. I’ve read enough accounts from players and coaches to know they think Meyer is a complete tool.a joke at the NFL level . It’s leaking wirse than the trump wh. Now Lawrence comes out publicly , the golden child , the future , the generational talent ….it’s about over .

Posted: **Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:03 am**

And here we go again! Watching the Jax-Miami game, Meyer went for it on 4th and 2 in the red zone in the 4th quarter instead of taking the points and making it a 7 point lead. Now the Fins are threatening to take the lead. He deserves to be fired.

Posted: **Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:58 am**

Jags win . Meyer wins coaching matchup as dolphins fail on 4th down and jags hit a 9 yard pass with 1 second left to hit a long fg. Did it save Meyer ? It was speculated they would make the move after this game were they to do so. Lawrence is gonna be special.

Posted: **Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:25 am**

Hawktawk wrote:Jags win . Meyer wins coaching matchup as dolphins fail on 4th down and jags hit a 9 yard pass with 1 second left to hit a long fg. Did it save Meyer ? It was speculated they would make the move after this game were they to do so. Lawrence is gonna be special.

I wasn't that impressed with Lawrence. He turned the ball over again today on a strip sack that shouldn't have happened, was off target on a lot of his throws, didn't make real good run/pass decisions. The jury is still out on him.

If they were going to pull the plug on Meyer, they would have done it by now. I don't think it will happen before Thanksgiving unless something else off field happens.

Posted: **Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:30 pm**

No they have too much money into Meyer, hes not going anywhere.

Posted: **Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:17 am**

obiken wrote:No they have too much money into Meyer, hes not going anywhere.

Money's not normally an issue when it comes to retaining or dismissing a head coach, but I do think you're right. Jacksonville doesn't have a 3 or 4 win look to them. Remaining schedule doesn't look half bad, a lot of winnable games left. Not many coaches are let go after one season.

Posted: **Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:45 am**

Wasn't he Khan's hand picked HC? The guy he wanted the most?
If so, I think he gets a longer leash than others might, but inevitably Meyer will be canned as his record isn't great and he's embarrassed the franchise.
As well, there are stories that veteran players were laughing when he talked to them after staying in Ohio after the loss. If he's lost the team then
removal isn't far behind.

Posted: **Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:54 am**

NorthHawk wrote:Wasn't he Khan's hand picked HC? The guy he wanted the most?
If so, I think he gets a longer leash than others might, but inevitably Meyer will be canned as his record isn't great and he's embarrassed the franchise.
As well, there are stories that veteran players were laughing when he talked to them after staying in Ohio after the loss. If he's lost the team then
removal isn't far behind.

I'm pretty sure that Khan was looking at the PR aspect of Meyer's hiring and not X's and O's.

Call me nuts, but the Jags don't have that loser look to them that a lot of teams in their predicament have (ie Mora's Seahawks). I honestly don't think that Meyer has lost the team, at least not yet. We'll get a good chance to see them close up as we play them on Halloween.

Posted: **Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:58 am**

They looked pretty together after they finally won, that's true but winning masks over a lot of problems.

Posted: **Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:05 pm**

Apparently there was a huge blowup recently when Meyer called out his assistant
coaches and said something like ‘What have you ever won in your career?’
Things seem to be spinning out of control again.

Posted: **Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:21 pm**

NorthHawk wrote:Apparently there was a huge blowup recently when Meyer called out his assistant
coaches and said something like ‘What have you ever won in your career?’
Things seem to be spinning out of control again.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/urban-me ... ell-report

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