HawkShack.com

Here's a really good article by Gregg Bell of the TNT on how we're using Jamal Adams vs. last season. In support of my last comment in the Titan's game thread about his preoccupation with QB sacks, I'm going to quote a couple of excerpts:

But as Henry’s touchdown run past Adams showed, he needs some tempered control to his blitzing. Adams must resist his urge to do more with the fewer opportunities he’s getting to make hits and sacks this season.

“He has to figure out how to manage that to fit in with his assignments,” Carroll said.

Sunday in the Seahawks’ 33-30 overtime loss to Tennessee, Titans offensive linemen plus 247-pound running back Derrick Henry met Adams near the line of scrimmage and stopped his blitzes. The one time Adams got into the backfield, he careened recklessly off the edge past Henry, all the way to the area of the Titans’ center. That cleared a gaping, cut-back lane. Henry took one step to his left, past overmatched cornerback Tre Flowers, and rumbled 60 yards to the end zone.

https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/n ... 24203.html

They're still figuring out how to use him and he's still figuring out what the team wants him to do.
Last year he had to blitz early in the year because we had no pass rush. This year his role is a little more traditional but there are going to be some new responsibilities for Adams as well.
When he was first traded for, Adams asked Pete what he wanted him to do and Pete said just let you be you (paraphrase). That could mean a lot of things to different people, but I thought
it gave Adams a lot of freedom. Now, according to the article, we should see a more defined role for Adams.

Some quotes from the article:
Carroll acknowledges he is still learning how to best use Adams in his schemes. And the coach says Adams is still learning how to best fit what Seattle wants to do defensively.
We’re both learning. He’s learning, too, Carroll said. He’s learning how we’re using him and how to take advantage of the opportunities that he’s getting.

He’s really an aggressive player, so he really goes for it, Carroll said.

Adams must resist his urge to do more with the fewer opportunities he’s getting to make hits and sacks this season.
He has to figure out how to manage that to fit in with his assignments, Carroll said.
Then the coach hinted of more to come from Adams.
There’s more stuff to do with him, Carroll said.
We haven’t called everything that we have, but he’s going to continue to be a massive part of it and continue to be moved around.

It seems the challenge will be to channel Adams aggression into something positive and maybe unique, but it seems to me the key as always is the pass rush and whether
it's successful or not.

Yeah, most of that is typical Pete Speak, talking in generalities and clichés. How long does a player have to be in the system before they learn how to use him? A year and a half? Two years? If he wasn't sure how he was going to use him, what in the hell was he doing forking out the draft choices and greenbacks? I'm not impressed.

It hasn't been a good start to the season for Adams. He was a non factor in the Colts game and a liability in the Titan's game. We paid a heavy price for him, both in terms of draft choices and salary. For what we've invested, I'm expecting a Pro Bowl caliber year out of him. Simply holding down a starting position isn't good enough.

We'll see how the rest of the season goes, but I'm really having my doubts about him.

Adams was almost one dimensional for a lot of last year, so I think they are still evolving with his roles and responsibilities.
That said, if his play doesn't change much in the future, then we can probably assume this is how they intend to use him.

A pretty steep price for what so far looks like a minor upgrade at Safety. At this point it looks like
we were really taken to the cleaners and even worse, it really impacted our Cap space for the future.

We’re putting him on IR. Labrum tear and other significant damage . Shoulder injury 2 years in a row now . Totally damaged goods now just when he was starting to play well .

Hawktawk wrote:We’re putting him on IR. Labrum tear and other significant damage . Shoulder injury 2 years in a row now . Totally damaged goods now just when he was starting to play well .

Even when he was playing well, he still wasn't an impact player that would justify the draft capital we gave up and giving him a contract that made him the highest paid safety in the game.

I said when Pete made this trade and later when he resigned him that Adams had better be damn good, that I was trusting his judgement. Well, the jury is in, and the Adams trade/signing is a miserable failure.

RiverDog wrote:Even when he was playing well, he still wasn't an impact player that would justify the draft capital we gave up and giving him a contract that made him the highest paid safety in the game.

I said when Pete made this trade and later when he resigned him that Adams had better be damn good, that I was trusting his judgement. Well, the jury is in, and the Adams trade/signing is a miserable failure.

I cant deny being a fan of his all out approach to the game except when hes out of control getting PFs. Obviously a horrible trade. I was a bit surprised the lack of concern after he had had both shoulder worked on in the offseason. As a guy who unfortualy has 2 bad ones shoulder issues would make it very difficult to play the position he does. Adams is a guy who is so intense flying around hitting people he hurts himself as bad as the ball carrier. This is a disaster now. If Jodi is counting up the plusses and minuses this one cant help.

Sports news services are reporting that Adams is definitely out for the year and will be or has already had surgery to repair the torn labrum.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/as ... ar-AARC90M

trents wrote:Sports news services are reporting that Adams is definitely out for the year and will be or has already had surgery to repair the torn labrum.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/as ... ar-AARC90M

Plus it's the same shoulder he had surgery on last year. Like Hawktalk said, he's damaged goods now.

Hes a bust.

obiken wrote:Hes a bust.

Yep. One of the many bad trades by Pete and John that have this team where they are now. Pete and John have forgotten how to manage a roster.

obiken wrote:Hes a bust.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Yep. One of the many bad trades by Pete and John that have this team where they are now. Pete and John have forgotten how to manage a roster.

I didn't like the Harvin trade because of the person. He was head case, and nearly destroyed our team. I didn't like the Graham trade because he was not the type of tight end that fits into a run first offense as he was too soft, not a good inline blocker, plus we traded away an all pro center without a viable replacement.

Now we have the Adams trade. I withheld comment because I had always deferred to Pete's judgement on defensive players. He knows, or at least I though he knew, his defense and the types of players that will excel in it. That's the most disappointing aspect of the Adams trade, that it's an indictment of Pete himself. He's clearly either lost his way or his way is no longer the way to build championship teams.

I didn't like the Harvin trade because of the person. He was head case, and nearly destroyed our team. I didn't like the Graham trade because he was not the type of tight end that fits into a run first offense as he was too soft, not a good inline blocker, plus we traded away an all pro center without a viable replacement.

I liked the JG trade, I just didnt like giving up Max Unger for him, our Oline was thin enough. I liked the JA trade, just not the haul that the Jets got for him.

Asked about the Adams trade yesterday following the diagnosis Carroll said “ it was a great trade for us “. Yeah . He did . He addressed the actual injury in Pete happy speak about getting it “ fixed up”. Not much more needs to be said here . This man should not be picking kids for a grid kids team much less stocking an NFL roster .

Hawktawk wrote:Asked about the Adams trade yesterday following the diagnosis Carroll said “ it was a great trade for us “. Yeah . He did . He addressed the actual injury in Pete happy speak about getting it “ fixed up”. Not much more needs to be said here . This man should not be picking kids for a grid kids team much less stocking an NFL roster .

Did Pete actually say that? LOL!

I swear, someone could be pi$$ing on my head and Pete would tell me that it's only rain.

That's the proverbial Used Car Salesman aspect of him that we talked about when he was first hired.
I can understand why some veterans tune him out and then have to leave or go on their own.

NorthHawk wrote:That's the proverbial Used Car Salesman aspect of him that we talked about when he was first hired.
I can understand why some veterans tune him out and then have to leave or go on their own.

More like snake oil salesman. I can't image a used car salesman being able to claim that a broken down jalopy he paid $20,000 for was as a fantastic buy.

It’s kind of like saying of washed up AP “ we finally got him “ it is laughable . It’s like Pete is not really dealing with reality .

Hawktawk wrote:It’s kind of like saying of washed up AP “ we finally got him “ it is laughable . It’s like Pete is not really dealing with reality .

Yeah, that's another weird reaction.

IMO these strange statements and reactions are examples of the stress that Pete finds himself under. His urge is to paint a smiley face on everything, but when you're 4-8 with rumors about your future and that of your franchise quarterback being bandied about, he starts grasping for straws in an effort to keep a positive outlook. In a way, I can understand and maybe even identify with what he must be going through. Pretty sad when you think about it.

Not giving much thought to the possibility he is the eternal optimist who keeps his team from folding it up when one of your stars goes down. Why focus on a trade you are dissatisfied with because the all-pro you got has been hurt to the same repaired injury? Is there any glee that Marquise Blair has hurt the same area that was surgically repaired. If you all hate Pete Carrol so much why focus on things he and J.S. can't control...and that's the rate at which modern athletes in Football get hurt to the point that it sends promising careers down in flames.

In the NFL you accept the losses as well as the victories in games as well as seasons...this is not fantasy football but players who entertain us at the risk of attaining life changing interests for a game they love to play. Winning is an addiction all of it's own and shows up often from a fan base...I guess fan base is short for fantasy base?

Don't play fantasy football, so I don't fall into that category.
We're simply looking at reality and the reality is we have a bad team that has been barely treading water for the last few years and without Wilson's heroics
we would be talking about successive losing seasons. The facts are Wilson wants to go elsewhere and Pete doesn't have many answers. Even if we roll the
table for the rest of the year, we're still a bad team with no hope of progressing in the playoffs. The Adams trade is simply the worst in franchise history.
Multiple 1st round picks, a 3rd and a starting Safety for Adams and a 4th round pick to a team who didn't consider Adams to be in their future. That it
took Pete the better part of a year to figure out how to use Adams says a whole lot about how the team is constructed.
Pete and John did wonders and got us a SB win. That can never be taken away, but they've lost their way in how to build a team and since Pete has final
say on personnel, he should get most of the blame for how poorly we have played and how nobody expects us to compete for a championship.

Hawktawk wrote:It’s kind of like saying of washed up AP “ we finally got him “ it is laughable . It’s like Pete is not really dealing with reality .

Not dealing with reality? His comment only referred to the time spent since his first pursuit of recruiting him to play at USC...it reflects a sense of humor not a reality check of thinking you "captured AP thinking he could still perform at his peak". Pete never referred to him as a rescue of Seattle's running game...but as a chance for our young RB room to see how a Pro with strong character prepares for a game against imposing odds of winning. Success rarely shows up for a team thinking its hopeless to compete. Adrian Peterson was good for professional character as well as another strong locker presence for a team struggling with adversity and failed seasonal expectations. Life is more enjoyable from a positive viewpoint when put into its proper perspective given the relevance of the current world's situation.

It's simply sad that after passing on some great RB's in the draft we are again looking to the street to find someone
who can contribute at RB to get us through the season.

tarlhawk wrote:Not giving much thought to the possibility he is the eternal optimist who keeps his team from folding it up when one of your stars goes down. Why focus on a trade you are dissatisfied with because the all-pro you got has been hurt to the same repaired injury? Is there any glee that Marquise Blair has hurt the same area that was surgically repaired. If you all hate Pete Carrol so much why focus on things he and J.S. can't control...and that's the rate at which modern athletes in Football get hurt to the point that it sends promising careers down in flames.

In the NFL you accept the losses as well as the victories in games as well as seasons...this is not fantasy football but players who entertain us at the risk of attaining life changing interests for a game they love to play. Winning is an addiction all of it's own and shows up often from a fan base...I guess fan base is short for fantasy base?

No one's focusing on the things Pete and JS can't control. We were all on record as being thoroughly underwhelmed by the Adams trade well before his injury. We're not the ones that asked Pete about the trade, what we're doing is reacting to how he handled the question. He could have said something like the jury is still out, time will tell, or something like that, but instead, he paints this big smiley face on it. That's what has us rolling our eyes and shaking our heads.

And please, let's quit throwing the term 'hate' around in the context of players and coaches on our team. It's a pet peeve of mine how mis used the term has become.

NorthHawk wrote:We're simply looking at reality and the reality is we have a bad team that has been barely treading water for the last few years and without Wilson's heroics
we would be talking about successive losing seasons. The facts are Wilson wants to go elsewhere and Pete doesn't have many answers. Even if we roll the
table for the rest of the year, we're still a bad team with no hope of progressing in the playoffs. The Adams trade is simply the worst in franchise history.
Multiple 1st round picks, a 3rd and a starting Safety for Adams and a 4th round pick to a team who didn't consider Adams to be in their future. That it
took Pete the better part of a year to figure out how to use Adams says a whole lot about how the team is constructed.
Pete and John did wonders and got us a SB win. That can never be taken away, but they've lost their way in how to build a team and since Pete has final
say on personnel, he should get most of the blame for how poorly we have played and how nobody expects us to compete for a championship.

Bad team barely treading water the last few years? 2018( 10-6 2nd in division...lost close wildcard game to Dallas 22-24 ) 2019( 11-5 2nd in division...won wildcard game over Eagles 17-9. Lost close division round game to Green Bay 23-28 ) and last year 2020( 12-4 winning the NFC West...losing to a revenge motivated LA Rams team 20-30 ). Yipes! ...is success only how deep you get into the playoffs? To have successive losing seasons...you have to start with one losing season. As an elite QB Russell carries the "heroics" label and the "burden" when not performing heroics...the NFL is a team sport and RW gives us a definite advantage but his true heroics is when he elevates the whole team behind him!

As a perennial losing team with bad leadership, the NY Jets didn't trade a player they were disenchanted with...they had no hope of securing him for their future...we paid "fair market" value for a top 10 draft pick in his prime (0ne First round pick)...a demonstrated all-pro in his youth (2nd First round pick) ...and a strong motivational high energy force for on-field and in the locker room( 3rd round and our starting SS safety for a NYJ 4th round)...hardly worthy of our worst trade ever moniker. Even All-Pros traded cross-conference don't excel if season already in progress. Without training camp and good understanding of our defensive schemes/playbook...he was highly utilized to BOOST our anemic pass-rush!! One strong pass rush disruptor can funnel a lot of sacks to other Def Linemates. PC wasn't saying our team was clueless on how to utilize JA...but how to maximize such a young talent! These injuries to Jamal Adams and Marquise Blair are poorly timed but not indicative of worst trade in club history. (to be continued)

So you think this team has been getting better every year?
If you do, you're delusional. We have not improved, we have simply stayed the same - treading water if you will.
Again, without Wilson's heroics we would have had losing seasons before this one.

Success is not repeating the same results year in and year out like we have. Sure we won more games than lost, but
we were embarrassingly thumped by the Rams in the playoff game last year and really had no business winning the Division.
Success is improving and we haven't improved for the last 7 years.

I'm with North Hawk on this one. This team has been on a level plane for the past 7 years. We're the definition of mediocre. I've lost my patience.

tarlhawk wrote:
Not dealing with reality? His comment only referred to the time spent since his first pursuit of recruiting him to play at USC...it reflects a sense of humor not a reality check of thinking you "captured AP thinking he could still perform at his peak". Pete never referred to him as a rescue of Seattle's running game...but as a chance for our young RB room to see how a Pro with strong character prepares for a game against imposing odds of winning. Success rarely shows up for a team thinking its hopeless to compete. Adrian Peterson was good for professional character as well as another strong locker presence for a team struggling with adversity and failed seasonal expectations. Life is more enjoyable from a positive viewpoint when put into its proper perspective given the relevance of the current world's situation.

It was a silly comment and an extension of the whistling in the graveyard mantra. They guys in his 7nth jersey and has been cut 2 times this season already. If anything his presence on the roster is a testament to the disastrous roster moves and draft misses at the position. Plus the guy was suspended for hurting his kid and admits he still spanks him with a belt, Can someone explain why hes got visitation much less a job? What happened to the "character matters" Seahawks?

He didn't look too bad and Ill grant that. He helped us win. He may be a mentor to these young guys who really aren't bad backs. None of them are getting enough touches to get a rhythm.

Our best backs Sunday were Homer and surprise surprise Penney. That's an interesting factor because he looked quick, hes a big dude and for once he finished the game without some nagging thing. He had those 2 games, actually 1.5 where he showed electrifying talent and speed and a couple house calls then he blew the knee bad and its been about 3 years. He may be a bust here but maybe he can go out on a high note.

When were bashing FOs for injured players we should consider how the athlete is feeling. As Penney said a while back "I try not to get hurt, I really do". I was listening to brock and Salk and they were talking about Penney and Chubb. Huard mentioned than Penney not only housed it 7 times on returns his senior year including a couple of power 5 schools but never had an injury his entire college career.
Sometimes its better to be lucky than good. Ill say right now based on film Ive seen of him in college and the brief snapshot when he was taking carries away from a healthy Carson had he stayed healthy PC and JS might look like geniuses now...

tarlhawk wrote:Not giving much thought to the possibility he is the eternal optimist who keeps his team from folding it up when one of your stars goes down. Why focus on a trade you are dissatisfied with because the all-pro you got has been hurt to the same repaired injury? Is there any glee that Marquise Blair has hurt the same area that was surgically repaired. If you all hate Pete Carrol so much why focus on things he and J.S. can't control...and that's the rate at which modern athletes in Football get hurt to the point that it sends promising careers down in flames.

In the NFL you accept the losses as well as the victories in games as well as seasons...this is not fantasy football but players who entertain us at the risk of attaining life changing interests for a game they love to play. Winning is an addiction all of it's own and shows up often from a fan base...I guess fan base is short for fantasy base?

He said it was a "great trade for us" after the shoulder diagnosis that guarantees 8 missed games in 2 years on a 4-8 team in which he misses many opportunities to alter outcomes when Russ was struggling and then Geno starting, dropped interceptions, blown coverages, personal fouls. I love his intensity but his a bigger bob sanders that hits so hard he blows himself up eventually. Pete Carroll should be the man and say "clearly it hasn't gone as we hoped". That's honesty. He is simply lying to say hes pleased. And we can deviate from the point, ruminate on the perils of being a pro athlete prone to injury but making millions a year.
This aint about any of that.
Every team has injuries. We have been beaten by 2 backup QBs with our 30 million dollar man this year just to prove it. We have 1 playoff win since the 2016 season. I see where you were quoting scores from our storied playoff history since 49 .
Ice bowl vs Minny 10-9 a certain loss till Blair witch blocked it from 24 yards out. In our infinite wisdom we signed him a couple years later and he probably cost us the postseason 2017.
Carolina mud bowl. They came out in the wrong cleats for one leading to a pick. Then Marshawn who had refused to travel to Minnesota after 8 weeks rehabbing in California was allowed to start ahead of Christine Micheal who had outplayed AP in minny in the ice bowl while Lynch deserted his team for the 9th straight week. Another sign of how weak PC is with his stars. No was beast or any back would do that for me after what he did the week before. Love me some beast but I was angry pre game and sure enough He and Russ got crossed up and Russ threw a pick 6 to Keuchly. 31-0 at halftime so the frantic comeback against prevent defense may have helped Russes stats but not competitive.

Squeaker vs Detroit had to convert a 4th down TD pass to PRich.

Then blown away by Atlanta while the post Ciara Russ listened to jeers from her ex future and his gang bang buddies on their sidelines. After the loss Russ began talking about outside interests in arenas et from the post game presser, just didnt seem too down about losing.
Cowboys was not close. Like most of our playoff games fall behind early then try to come back. In the end after a desperation last second drive we were forced to have our punter attempt a drop kick onsides with our 55 year old kicker seabass hurt. Not really close

converted a late first down high pointing it to seal a 1 score win over Philly with Josh McCown in his 100th season filling in for Wendz. Pack jumped on them early and held them off late, another slow start. We elected to punt on 4th and 11 near midfield and Rodgers never gave it back.
The Rams debacle was when the wheels came off and I think gave us an indicator of how bad this team might be this year. Russ 11-29 with a pick 6 . He threw a late TD to make it a 10 point game. He took 5 sacks with Donald out half the game and our improved defense got beat by a QB in Goff playing with a broken thumb on his throwing hand and weeks from being traded. Our 17 million dollar man Adams dropped a pick and blew a coverage leading to a Rams TD.
3-5 since the dynasty killer pass, 0-3 in the divisional and not really close in any of the games we lost if you watch the game. We easily could be 1-7
Good old days were gone a while ago. I was a fan in 1977 and Im a fan of the team, not individual coaches and players whose time may have come. This formula will not win again IMO and it really doesn't matter what we think. Its what Jodi and her advisers think.

I don't necessarily subscribe to my friend Hawktalk's POV, but you'll have to admit that Pete's comments about signing Peterson and the Adams trade were very odd to say the least. I don't think that any other coach under similar circumstances would have answered them the way Pete did. He's talking like a cheerleader, not the head coach.

I'm not sure how long people want us to wait before we jump off the bandwagon. I actually felt like my threshold was pretty high, that I waited longer than several friends of mine, one in particular that I have a very high regard for.

Yes, but you can't expect Pete to give an answer like, "Those were two terrible acquisitions. I wish we hadn't done it." It wouldn't be appropriate for him to dis a player still on the team. That would destroy team moral. Put yourself in his place. What would you have said?

And concerning AP, would do you have to lose by bringing him onboard? Nothing to lose by doing so. He was on waivers wasn't he? And can we really make a judgement yet about his ability to contribute on the field? How many snaps has he taken? It's a very small sample.

trents wrote:Yes, but you can't expect Pete to give an answer like, "Those were two terrible acquisitions. I wish we hadn't done it." It wouldn't be appropriate for him to dis a player still on the team. That would destroy team moral. Put yourself in his place. What would you have said?

On the Adams question: "The jury's still out" or "we like what we've seen from Jamal so far", or "I'll let others engage in editorial reviews"...there's scores of ways Pete could have answered that question rather than giving such a laughable response.

As far as the AP comment goes, he could have said something like "We're happy to have him here", "he's a sure fire HOF'er that can teach our younger players a lot" or "we think he has plenty of rubber left on his tires". Saying that we were "always disappointed we didn’t get him back in the day" ignores Peterson's past personal issues and suggests that he wanted him "back in the day" regardless of his well-documented child abuse. It was a strange response, one of those that you would say "oh, really?!"

trents wrote:And concerning AP, would do you have to lose by bringing him onboard? Nothing to lose by doing so. He was on waivers wasn't he? And can we really make a judgement yet about his ability to contribute on the field? How many snaps has he taken? It's a very small sample.

I don't have a problem bringing him in except at this point, it's a bit like closing the corral gate after the horses got out. I would have rather seen him give some young prospect on the practice squad a shot. Snaps and carries in an NFL regular season games are a precious commodity. AP is 100% not part of our future.

RiverDog wrote:[

I don't have a problem bringing him in except at this point, it's a bit like closing the corral gate after the horses got out. I would have rather seen him give some young prospect on the practice squad a shot. Snaps and carries in an NFL regular season games are a precious commodity. AP is 100% not part of our future.

Bingo. All the young backs have shown flashes, even Penney last week. I get it everyone was dinged up but the seasons over, see what you have in the backfield stable before the offseason.
My guess is AP starts again vs Texans. I dont think its right. He got some yards but everyone that's had a chance has gotten yards, just not carries and they will get less so he can pad his stats in his 7th uniform.

AP has some back issue and has been ruled out by Pete for Sunday.
We have to draft good RB's to end this cycle of injuries and picking up RB's off the street to help fill a roster.
Homer and Dallas are good situational RB's but they aren't the stud RB we need (along with interior OL) to
help with the run game.

Collins has shown the most consistent ability to produce but has had injury issues . Homer is sneaky quick and versatile . Dee Jay has shown flashes . The real wild card is Penney . Not sure if he got a start but if not he might get his first ever if he’s healthy . He showed he’s still got the speed . So let’s see. He will probably tear something on his first carry but if not he might be a factor Sunday . PC and JS really need a win on personell because Adams is a debacle .

Hawktawk wrote:He said it was a "great trade for us" after the shoulder diagnosis that guarantees 8 missed games in 2 years on a 4-8 team in which he misses many opportunities to alter outcomes when Russ was struggling and then Geno starting, dropped interceptions, blown coverages, personal fouls. I love his intensity but his a bigger bob sanders that hits so hard he blows himself up eventually. Pete Carroll should be the man and say "clearly it hasn't gone as we hoped". That's honesty. He is simply lying to say hes pleased.

We are swamped with a losing season for a variety of reasons...sure every NFL team suffers injuries but ours have come to key pieces of the puzzle...even our "iron man RW"...but you want Pete to share your self-diagnosis of the ultimate "failure" and with brutal honesty bring morale down by saying "yeah that trade sucked and now our whole team sucks...poor Russ...poor Gino...trusting our leadership when JA is clearly a bust".

Perhaps when Earl Thomas got hurt...or even our hard hitting SS Kam Chancellor when he was hurt...Pete should have denied both of these players as two of our best draft picks? His view point is not so narrow but based on what JA has delivered...he sees value/potential from a broader base of experience than a fan who delights in pointing out where is the All-Pro stud our team "thought" we needed? Are you in the locker room/practice facility/sidelines/film study room/upper management discussions?...perhaps you can share some insight from his own team mates?

Life offers plenty of its own disappointments on a far greater scale than the fortunes/misfortunes of an endeared sports team...your energy and anger paint you as an angry man but you come across having experiences that are very interesting...and your viewpoints insightful to where your anger betrays the many things you offer. I feel bad when I think some of my responses seem to reflect a disrespect...I apologize ahead of time if that is what comes across.

NorthHawk wrote:So you think this team has been getting better every year?
If you do, you're delusional. We have not improved, we have simply stayed the same - treading water if you will.
Again, without Wilson's heroics we would have had losing seasons before this one.

Success is not repeating the same results year in and year out like we have. Sure we won more games than lost, but
we were embarrassingly thumped by the Rams in the playoff game last year and really had no business winning the Division.
Success is improving and we haven't improved for the last 7 years.

I never said I thought our team was "improving every year"...I acknowledge the fact the NFL is a business first (entertainment/tv revenues) organization. The NFL imposes rules to suppress building any dynasty ...or perennial loser. Poor management/leadership can create a perennial loser. Many things have to "fall in place" to overcome the NFL's imposed winner/loser cycling. An elite QB gives a competitive edge in winning close games.

As a fan base we have taken for granted year after year of winning...not always seeing the cost of selecting very low in draft after draft...or having to wait in line for waiver nuggets to fall to our waiver position...the real reality is the financial cost of keeping fan heroes around (RW and Bobby Wagner) gives John Schneider slimmer room to maneuver...his draft choices/free agent acquisitions have to be "on the mark". A fair equivalent would be stretching fewer depleted resources to keep an ever growing population "comfortable/competitive.

I saw an interesting tidbit in an article from my local newspaper.

As a Seahawk, Jamal Adams has had more surgeries (3) than he has interceptions (2).

I never said I thought our team was "improving every year"...I acknowledge the fact the NFL is a business first (entertainment/tv revenues) organization. The NFL imposes rules to suppress building any dynasty ...or perennial loser. Poor management/leadership can create a perennial loser. Many things have to "fall in place" to overcome the NFL's imposed winner/loser cycling. An elite QB gives a competitive edge in winning close games.

As a fan base we have taken for granted year after year of winning...not always seeing the cost of selecting very low in draft after draft...or having to wait in line for waiver nuggets to fall to our waiver position...the real reality is the financial cost of keeping fan heroes around (RW and Bobby Wagner) gives John Schneider slimmer room to maneuver...his draft choices/free agent acquisitions have to be "on the mark". A fair equivalent would be stretching fewer depleted resources to keep an ever growing population "comfortable/competitive.

Your posts sound like you are content with how our team has done. I'm not.
I think that we should see a team that is improving every year and building toward really challenging for a championship. We have not. We've made it to the playoffs the last 5 years and only won
a single game. That's not good enough for any team or fan base.
You talk about drafting lower as an excuse for not getting better. Most teams build in the middle rounds. That's where the value is and if drafting high was the way to success, the Jets would be
perennial champions but most years they only get 1 early round pick. So it's who you draft, not where you draft and we've passed by good players on both sides of the ball and in positions of need
in favor of others that have consistently underperformed. Just look at our draft record the last 7 years. It's really not that great and especially bad if you look at players that could have helped us
in a big way that were passed by. Many of us in the fan base were really hoping they would have drafted one of the good RB's or IOL especially Center, but were disappointed. For a couple of years
Pete said we needed to upgrade our pass rush but didn't address it in the draft until they took Taylor who couldn't play for a year because of injury. Darrell Taylor may turn out to be a good pick,
but it was a big gamble that could very well have backfired as there was some concern after drafting him that he might never play. In the mean time our Run Game floundered as usual with the starting
RB's again injured. And again we see this year picking up RB's off the street after multiple years of seeing starters getting injured for long stretches of games.