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I’m never one who wants to make a move because a team has to do something, but we have to do something about our pass rush. I’m not advocating for us to just get anybody so PC and JS can say they tried I’m looking for us to get somebody who can make us better and if ever there was a year this is it. We are in position to get the #1 seed but have 1 glaring weakness, pass rush. So do you guys see us making a BIG move? There SHOULD be guys out there who could have a big impact for us. I’m thinking maybe Ngakoue, Griffen, Kerrigan, or Fowler could be available. All 4 could be long shots but are on teams either hurting for cap space next year (a number of teams are way over next years projected cap) or are underachieving. What do you think? Do we end up actually making a move?

All I can say is I hope so.

Dang, just heard that the Ravens traded for Ngakoue. They gave up a 3rd this year and conditional 6th next year. Great pickup for them, 6 sacks so far this year... I understand it would have been tough for us to pull the trigger on this one due to the fact that we only have a 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 2 7th next year. He is the guy we needed and we couldn't pull the trigger. Now we can debate what we should have done? The only way we could have beat the Ravens in a trade would probably be by trading our 2nd for him (we probably could have picked up something like a 6th in return with him though). dang...

c_hawkbob wrote:All I can say is I hope so.

Me too, and that Ngakoue trade was the one I wanted us to make...

c_hawkbob wrote:All I can say is I hope so.

mykc14 wrote:Me too, and that Ngakoue trade was the one I wanted us to make...

Let me echo your "Me too"...

Seahawks don’t really have many options for an impact edge rusher, at this point. Draft picks are very few, and cap space, so realistically only a couple options I think would work and help out at the same time, with the limited resources they have are Kerrigan, and Dunlap... not hearing much else that’s out there, that’s doable...
And I suppose the hawks could trade a player or two where they are flush in certain positions, and gain a couple draft picks back as well... what are your thoughts?

We seem to have an abundance of Line Backers and Tight Ends right now. We're converting one of our TE's to a DE as we speak. Is cable back with us?
I thought about that during the draft this year that we seem to go for the same position players every year, no matter what we seem to have needs for.
I know our #1 pick is somewhat of a dud so far... I don't know if we knew our 2nd round pick was injured to the point it could be a year off, but that's like 4 years in a row of at least one wasted top picks, DK excluded.

if we were to make a trade, a player and a draft pick below round 3 would seem to be another combo.

On Dunlop, he might be too expensive as they are usually way overpaid to stay with a club like Cincy for a career. He would need to be released and signed by us to make it work. No waivers as he has lots of years. But there's no guarantee he signs once he's released. Not too many options right now for a good price.

And to throw this in -- many of you wanted us to spend 15 million on one Clowney. Here are his Titan stats so far:
2020 Tennessee Titans 5 8 5 3 0
That's 5 games, 8 total tackles, 5 solo + 3 assisted and ZERO sacks. Again ZERO sacks. Maybe we should be happy we're not the GM.
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jshawaii22 wrote:And to throw this in -- many of you wanted us to spend 15 million on one Clowney. Here are his Titan stats so far:
2020 Tennessee Titans 5 8 5 3 0
That's 5 games, 8 total tackles, 5 solo + 3 assisted and ZERO sacks. Again ZERO sacks. Maybe we should be happy we're not the GM.
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Your point is well taken, but keep in mind that Clowney wasn't even signed by the Titans until Sept. 7th, a week before the season started, so it makes complete sense that he'd be off to a slow start. Let's wait and see how he performs during the 2nd half of the season before we fire all of us armchair GM's.

There's rumors floating around the Michael Thomas might be on the trading block:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/mi ... d=msedgntp

It wouldn't make a lot of sense for us but it could provide an opportunity for some type of 3 way deal.

On Clowney, my point was the same about spending huge $$$ being unwise, and it wouldn't of mattered who he signed with coming off surgery and no pre-season, the $$$ would be a waste, like it is so far for the Titans. Maybe he gets much better down the line. I somehow doubt it.

jshawaii22 wrote:On Clowney, my point was the same about spending huge $$$ being unwise, and it wouldn't of mattered who he signed with coming off surgery and no pre-season, the $$$ would be a waste, like it is so far for the Titans. Maybe he gets much better down the line. I somehow doubt it.

Not that it changes the narrative much, but I think you're stat line on Clowney is off just a bit. Here's what I found:

5 games, 10 combined tackles (7 solo, 3 assisted, 3 TFL), 0 sacks, 5 QB hits.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... owJa00.htm

Let's compare that with Clowney's replacement, LJ Collier:

5 games, 6 combined tackles (4 solo, 2 assisted, 2 TFL), 1 sack, 3 QB hits.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... llLJ00.htm

So whose step sister is the ugliest?

If your sole yardstick is money, then yes, it would have been unwise to sign Clowney as his paycheck hasn't yet and likely won't match his production. But we're ranked dead last in the league in total defense, so even with his dismal stat line, there's no way we would have been any worse as a team with him in the lineup. Even employing 20/20 hindsight in the form of his production with another team in another conference and with such little preparation, I would have rather signed Clowney...or Everson Griffen...and had them fail to produce, than not do anything at all to try to improve our pass rush, as was the case this offseason.

My stats came from the Titans website, via NFL.com, but either way, if Clowney is just a step ahead of Collier, it was and would of been a waste of money.

jshawaii22 wrote:My stats came from the Titans website, via NFL.com, but either way, if Clowney is just a step ahead of Collier, it was and would of been a waste of money.

Another thing to consider is how often Clowney is double teamed. He was amongst the most double teamed guys in the NFL last year and he was one of the be a defeating those double teams. No team is worried enough about Collier to double team him on a consistent basis.

Clowney was double teamed last year when he moved inside, as more of a DT, I'll give you that and he does pretty good with it. But when he's coming off the edge, he wasn't and it seems he just doesn't have the moves to get around tackles. I watched a lot of todays game, before he got hurt, no sacks but a nice forced fumble. Typical game, nothing really special. Hard to find those top level DE's right now. Certainly it would cost us more then we have in draft capital to obtain one via trade and we don't have a lot of cap space to pay for one. Via: Over the top: Team Cap Space: $3,326,019

No team is worried enough about Collier to double team him on a consistent basis.

That's the truth!

With only 5 picks in the ‘21 draft, I don’t see Schneider doing anything. We get all our players available, we’ll improve.

jshawaii22 wrote:My stats came from the Titans website, via NFL.com, but either way, if Clowney is just a step ahead of Collier, it was and would of been a waste of money.

But that's not my point. My point (1) is that we would have been a better team had we signed Clowney and (2) losing money on a player doesn't bother near as much as not at least trying to improve our pass rush whether it be Clowney or someone else.

RiverDog wrote:But that's not my point. My point (1) is that we would have been a better team had we signed Clowney and (2) losing money on a player doesn't bother near as much as not at least trying to improve our pass rush whether it be Clowney or someone else.

This^

Regarding Carlos Dunlap, something is going down soon. I was looking at the bengals stat lines and noticed Dunlap didn’t have anything, he wasn’t inactive but also not sure he played any snaps... so putting that with his recent tweet and the team is shopping him... I think a change of scenery and getting on a good team will surely give him some motivation to play well

If money is no issue, JJ Watt will be a Seahawk by Wednesday. I heard he wants out (fake news?) Texans team is 1-6...

Dunlop, he's listed as 3rd string and he let the coach/team know his feelings after today's game and the other good players didn't take to kindly of his comments. Not sure he could really help. Another old DE who's best days are probably behind him, hence the 3rd string for a couple of weeks.

jshawaii22 wrote:If money is no issue, JJ Watt will be a Seahawk by Wednesday.

I never said that money was no issue. What I said was that it's not the only issue, or to be completely accurate, it isn't the only yardstick. We would have been well within our budget to sign Clowney or Griffen, yet we spend our FA money on redundant players like Greg Olsen.

No, their not going to make a move, we dont have the picks. We suck, big donkey dicks!

Future picks and perhaps players at positions we are deep.
TE and LB for players to start and some players that might be available might come from teams
that will be hard pressed next year with the salary cap so they might go cheaper than they otherwise might.

Not sure what the solution is on D but overall stinks, seems to me Bobby Wagner isn’t near the player he was , the Hawks have to have the softest Middle of the field D in the league it’s always open, but besides the problems on D, Russ made some very bad throws/ interceptions, which kept putting pressure on the D where the Seahawks should have beat Cards by 2 scores, very frustrating

Klanky wrote:Not sure what the solution is on D but overall stinks, seems to me Bobby Wagner isn’t near the player he was , the Hawks have to have the softest Middle of the field D in the league it’s always open, but besides the problems on D, Russ made some very bad throws/ interceptions, which kept putting pressure on the D where the Seahawks should have beat Cards by 2 scores, very frustrating

The first pick that Budda Baker nearly took back to the house was on Russ. Baker read his eyes and made a great break on the ball. The pick in OT looked to me that one or more receiver weren't on the same page with Russ. Not making any excuses for Russ, just stating an observation.

RiverDog wrote:The first pick that Budda Baker nearly took back to the house was on Russ. Baker read his eyes and made a great break on the ball. The pick in OT looked to me that one or more receiver weren't on the same page with Russ. Not making any excuses for Russ, just stating an observation.

Yeah, Russ lobbed that first one, he though he had a Carson wide open for an easy TD Russ knows better than to do that in this league. The second was a miscommunication between him and DK on the scramble drill. The last one Russ was totally fooled on. The Hawks didn't have an answer for that 7 man D Front that the Cards were using in OT. They couldn't tell who was blitzing and who was staying. It seems like Russ thought they were sending the house and threw a hot route to Lockette who was just running his normal route. Simmons made a really athletic play to pick it, but it is definitely on Russ. Also, how do you only target DK 5 times? There were plenty of plays where Peterson was 10 yards off the ball and quick hitch to him and even if Peterson makes the tackle, a big if with DK and it is a 3 yard gain and gives DK a better chance to beat him over the top later.

You and River need to stop! We put up 34 points, beating Russ up over his mistakes is not a solution. We are one RW press conference melt down from a train wreck. What if Russell told the truth! My Offensive line sucks and always has! I have never had as good an OL as Aaron Rogers. Our Defense is mutt food! We put up 4 over td's and our defense cant do the job? What the hell? OMGosh wouldnt that be novel!

Apparently the cowboys are looking at trading Everson Griffin do you all think he’s worth get in here, I think he’d be an improvement from anyone they currently have, and he’s just one I think they need to trade for 2 decent pass rushers....

And why are the Seahawks dragging their feet on shaking things on the D and making some move, be creative.... they have a tough stretch coming, I realize trade deadline a week away but sooner they get moving on bringing much needed help in and hopefully but not likely shake up the way the defense runs, cause it ain’t working

obiken wrote:You and River need to stop! We put up 34 points, beating Russ up over his mistakes is not a solution. We are one RW press conference melt down from a train wreck. What if Russell told the truth! My Offensive line sucks and always has! I have never had as good an OL as Aaron . Our Defense is mutt food! We put up 4 over td's and our defense cant do the job? What the hell? OMGosh wouldnt that be novel!

RW can’t have 3 INT games. 2 of those were on plays that shouldn’t happen to a guy like RW. With that being said I created this thread with the sole purpose to discuss how bad our D is and how important it is to get some help on D. With how bad our D is RW can only afford one mistake a game and he made two bad ones last night and we lost. It’s not his fault we lost but he does deserve some blame. Are you OK with him throwing 3TDs and 3 INTs every game?

Klanky wrote:And why are the Seahawks dragging their feet on shaking things on the D and making some move, be creative.... they have a tough stretch coming, I realize trade deadline a week away but sooner they get moving on bringing much needed help in and hopefully but not likely shake up the way the defense runs, cause it ain’t working

The reality is they had a chance to add a dynamic pass rusher last week and they passed. It probably would have cost us a second rounder but we are close enough to take that risk.

With all the possibilities out there, what do you guys think the Hawks can do? Is there any possibilities for edge rusher no one is talking about that comes out of no where, where everyone would say holy crap?? If they really wanted to there is always a way....

Klanky wrote:With all the possibilities out there, what do you guys think the Hawks can do? Is there any possibilities for edge rusher no one is talking about that comes out of no where, where everyone would say holy crap?? If they really wanted to there is always a way....

Yeah it’s hard to say. There probably is somebody like that out there, but not that I can see. The list is probably pretty short and anybody left probably has issues like age or they are under performing. Finding somebody else like Ngakoue right now isn’t going to happen.

ya, probably not I’m guessing either Kerrigan and or Dunlap

RW can’t have 3 INT games. 2 of those were on plays that shouldn’t happen to a guy like RW. With that being said I created this thread with the sole purpose to discuss how bad our D is and how important it is to get some help on D. With how bad our D is RW can only afford one mistake a game and he made two bad ones last night and we lost. It’s not his fault we lost but he does deserve some blame. Are you OK with him throwing 3TDs and 3 INTs every game?

IF he puts up 34 points a game sure. Come on, RW hasnt had a 3 pick game in 3 years, its an aberration not the norm.

RW can’t have 3 INT games. 2 of those were on plays that shouldn’t happen to a guy like RW. With that being said I created this thread with the sole purpose to discuss how bad our D is and how important it is to get some help on D. With how bad our D is RW can only afford one mistake a game and he made two bad ones last night and we lost. It’s not his fault we lost but he does deserve some blame. Are you OK with him throwing 3TDs and 3 INTs every game?

obiken wrote:IF he puts up 34 points a game sure. Come on, RW hasnt had a 3 pick game in 3 years, its an aberration not the norm.

Obi, you're sounding a lot like Anthony. You're right, last Sunday was an aberration and not the norm. No one suggested that it wasn't. The discussion is about the last game, not the previous 5 of this season or the previous 100 of Russell's career.

As much if not more than any player or coach on our team, Russell is directly to blame for that loss. He made several huge mistakes, any one of which would have likely put a W in the column for us had they gone the other way. He might still win the MVP, but not by the way he played Sunday.

Up to this point, Russell had carried this team. There's no way that a team goes 5-0 with a 32nd ranked defense and a middle of the road rushing attack unless you have a quarterback that's been playing at an MVP caliber, and Russell has been doing exactly that. But sometimes success can be your own worst enemy as it can make you complacent, less concerned about an interception. You start looking through defenders and only see your own receiver. The red zone pick is a classic example. Baker was just a few yards away from the target area of that pass and in Russell's field of vision, but I'll bet that he didn't even see him until he let go of the ball. It's the exact opposite reaction of the gun shy quarterback that has been burned multiple times and has developed an aversion to any kind of risk to the point where they start seeing ghosts. Sam Darnold said as much during a horribly played game last season.

Klanky wrote:With all the possibilities out there, what do you guys think the Hawks can do? Is there any possibilities for edge rusher no one is talking about that comes out of no where, where everyone would say holy crap?? If they really wanted to there is always a way....

There's talk that Dallas is trying to unload Everson Griffen:

At this point, Griffen probably wouldn't net much in a trade; CBS Sports' Patrik Walker, who confirmed NFL Network's report of Griffen's availability, forecasts little more than a conditional sixth- or seventh-round draft pick in return.

Perhaps losing Jadeveon Clowney hurt them, after all. It's no secret the Seahawks sorely lack defensive play-makers, and the biggest weakness of all is up front, where they've trailed the rest of the league in pressure. Would Griffen solve that? Not by himself. But he'd be one heck of a start, especially for a small price. Throw in the fact Seattle was reportedly a finalist for Griffen before the vet signed with the Cowboys, and you've got yourself a match too good to be true.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cowb ... ss-rusher/

Perhaps losing Jadeveon Clowney hurt them, after all

Gee, who could have seen that coming?

Your next 4 games look grim for you....

SF 38, Sea 17
Buf 34, Sea 21
RAMS 42, Sea 13
Arz 33, Sea 27

Better make a move for sure

I'm beginning to think this mgmt team's early years of success was a result of good luck over good mgmt.
Considering the mid to late round picks that panned out in the early years and the drought thereafter, I think there's some evidence
to support that theory. Either that or they've lost so much good talent in the scouting dept. that they aren't finding the players that
can make the team and exceed draft position. As well, having not really addressed a glaring need on the DL there might be and
argument of incompetence (maybe neglect is a better term) the last couple of years. We know they can't build a better than average
OL, but after some good success in early years along the DL, we've been floundering for a few years now. This is our Achilles heal and
will prevent us from legitimately challenging for a championship.

Carlos Dunlap and Everson Griffin are two that might be had for later draft picks. But teams know we need an infusion of talent and
might drive a hard enough bargain that we can't make a trade. Unless a team needs a young LB or TE which might help that team.