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Postby NorthHawk » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:59 pm

R1 #27

It appears JS couldn’t trade down so he selected Jordyn Brooks, LB.
A bit of a surprise to me, but they must have seen something they like.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby Hawk Sista » Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:05 pm

Not on my radar, means he has a great chance. :D :shock:
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby Aseahawkfan » Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:14 pm

Just another "We're going to do things our way" pick. Maybe Bobby or KJs replacement. He's a good run defender and we had a huge run defense weakness last year. I can see the reasoning behind the pick. He seems like a guy who will read and hammer the RB rarely missing. If he greatly improves our run defense, then this will be a good pick.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby TriCitySam » Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:58 pm

Well, as you saw, my first pick was called "Edge/LB", and since no one else had a LB in their 1st pick 3, that is worth at least 1/4 point. I'm sure no one disagrees.

And: "Texas Tech head coach Matt Wells called Jordyn Brooks the "next Bobby Wagner" which he would know since he coaches Wagner at Utah State."

Kiper: "“There’s a wide range of opinions on Brooks across the NFL, but I love his film,” Kiper wrote for ESPN.com. “He’s a tackling machine (367 in his career) and sideline-to-sideline linebacker who showed good speed at the combine, running a 4.54-second 40-yard dash at 240 pounds. He was far and away the best defender on the Red Raiders’ roster. He could be a 10-year starter at middle linebacker in the NFL, and he has the athleticism to stay on the field on third down.”

Or, PFF calls him the best run defender: "Brooks takes on blocks with a recklessness you can’t coach. The physical aspect of the game comes easily to the Texas Tech linebacker. He also has good length for a 6-foot linebacker with 32 ⅞-inch arms that make taking on blocks easier. Brooks finished 2019 with a ridiculous 91.5 run-defense grade."

So, if true, I got no complaints.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby jshawaii22 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:43 pm

seems as though his 'grade' fell to the 2nd round, as he's not good at dropping back and defending passes. His film shows he's got a nose for the ball, too.
I never heard of him, but TTech wasn't a big player on TV. Maybe he is the 'next BW' but right now, this year, we needed edge rushers and a strong safety more then a replacement at LB.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby obiken » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:00 pm

Hawk Sista wrote:Not on my radar, means he has a great chance. :D :shock:


I am too old to flip out HS, remember those days?!! We needed help on the OL so once again this pick makes no sense. I guess we are going to ride the RW is mobile wave, till he is 35 or gets carried out. I guess we just keep doing what we are doing, and I maintain an even strain!! :D
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby NorthHawk » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:06 pm

I’ve been thinking about it for a little while and come to the conclusion that his
speed and good tackling is something we need against the offenses we face who
run a lot of horizontal plays. He’s still a surprise pick to me, but we should
expect that from our FO by now, I find it interesting that he was the highest
rated LB on their board at 27. I guess they aren’t satisfied with the LBs they
drafted last year.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby Agent 86 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:10 pm

Some links for your viewing pleasure about Jordyn Brooks:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jordan-brooks?id=32194252-4f13-1962-2c2e-fdb174b58eaf

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/jordyn-brooks/tqvRaMrS46

https://www.rotoworld.com/college-football/nfl-draft/player/39593/jordyn-brooks

Also this from a writer on PFF. Brooks was the 7th highest rated LB on their board. Interesting comment at the end as the Seahawks don't seem to blitz alot.

7. JORDYN BROOKS, TEXAS TECH
Draft Board Rank: 64th
Brooks is a shredded 245-pound linebacker who brings the pain snap after snap. He is very much a downhill type of player and taking on blocks in the run game won’t be an issue for him. Turning and running downfield though is a bit of a different question. Brooks’ 60 stops last season ranked 10th among all linebackers in college football, in large part because he’s an exceptionally good tackler. Brooks has missed only 34 tackles on 390 career attempts. Teams that blitz heavy will covet Brooks’ services as he got home 44 times on 117 pass-rushes this past season.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby obiken » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:15 pm

Loser: Seahawks

Linebacker wasn't considered a major need for the Seahawks heading into draft weekend, but even if they really wanted to add to the position, the one they chose with the 27th pick -- Texas Tech's Jordyn Brooks -- is a head-scratcher. Instead of taking LSU's Patrick Queen (the highest-ranked inside linebacker in the draft), the Seahawks instead went with Brooks, the 11th best linebacker and the 139th-best prospect in CBS Sports' pre-draft rankings, though to be fair buzz had built for Brooks as a possible Round 1 pick over the last week.

While he was a solid tackler during his time at Texas Tech, Brooks leaves something to be desire as it relates to pass defense. His size (6-foot-4, 240 pounds) and speed (his recorded time in the 40-yard-dash is 4.54 seconds) would suggest that he fits best as a weak side linebacker, a position that is currently occupied by K.J. Wright. That being said, Wright, 31, is entering the final year of his contract, which helps somewhat justify the Seahawks' decision to take Brooks with this pick.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby Aseahawkfan » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:38 pm

I figure he is there to support Wright who is hurting lately. K.J. has been great for us, but we definitely need a guy to back him up. And a good run defending LB is also good to have. We got trucked this year on the run quite often.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby RiverDog » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:21 am

If one thing has been a trend over the years, it's that when it comes to the draft, that the Seahawks are one of if they most unpredictable teams in the league, but we're always picking in the mid to late 20's like we were this year. It also marks the first time since 2011 that we've used our original first rounder on selecting a player, so you gotta think that this was a Plan B for JS, that he couldn't move out of the first round.

With their apparent liking of the LB's they drafted last season, I wouldn't have even put OLB on the Hawks short list of needs let alone guess that they'd go with a player like Brooks. But when you think of it, they haven't resigned Kendricks, who blew out his knee last season, and FA Bruce Irvin is a situational player that likely won't be around long.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby c_hawkbob » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:03 am

Whisky Tango Foxtrot?!
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby RiverDog » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:30 am

c_hawkbob wrote:Whisky Tango Foxtrot?!


LOL! But what's new about that? :D

I'm not sure if anyone's picked up on it, but Ohio State arguably had the three top picks in the draft this season as #1 pick Joe Burrow was originally a Buckeye but transferred to LSU. Has that ever happened before?

I'm curious how ego centric Lord Rodgers will react to the Packers trading up to get Jordan Love. I guess now he knows how Bret Favre must have felt when Rodgers was that guy taken in the 1st to replace a consensus HOF'er.

Only 2 DE/Edge players taken in the 1st, which includes a no brainer in Chase Young. You gotta think that one of the players the Hawks ranked at the top of their board at that position is still there.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:59 am

For me the Brooks pick makes more and more sense all the time.
We need more speed and better tackling at LB, our Defense needs better run support, he can also rush the passer if
they decide to blitz. It's almost like he's a 3 way hedge pick - replacing Kendricks this year, Wright next year,
and maybe spelling Wagner at MLB at some point to give him a rest. He ran a 4.54 40 at the combine after only
training for a couple of weeks so he might be much faster. His film suggests he sifts through the trash very well
and he's a sideline to sideline LB. He has the potential to be a very good pick.

We trade down in one of either 59 or 64. I would think 64 might be the pick as teams have time to look at who has
fallen like Metcalf did last year. But who knows - if a team sees a player they have to have at 59 and know we want
to trade down they might want to be sure they get him.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby c_hawkbob » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:01 am

Nothing new about it at all, that was just my reaction when I saw this morning who we picked. I don't mind the player, or that he's (as usual) a graded 2nd rounder we take in the 1st, what I mind is that we completely ignored other, very real and urgent needs. Again, as usual. There were some good linemen, on both sides of the ball, still available.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby govandals » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:10 am

I was stunned at this pick last night. I understand it more now. This says a lot about Cody Barton and I think Kendricks won't be back. Brooks probably starts out at WILL, moves to SAM in '21 replacing KJ, then to MIKE in '22 replacing Bobby.

In PCJS we trust, right??
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby Rambo2014 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:58 am

SQUANDERED A #1 PICK

LOL

GO RAMS
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:32 am

govandals wrote:I was stunned at this pick last night. I understand it more now. This says a lot about Cody Barton and I think Kendricks won't be back. Brooks probably starts out at WILL, moves to SAM in '21 replacing KJ, then to MIKE in '22 replacing Bobby.

In PCJS we trust, right??


I'm not so sure about we trust!!!
In my limited evaluation of team needs and fits, I thought we could have added a better pick, but the draft is a crapshoot so he may turn out
to be a value pick and in 3 years an All Pro. I've said for years that the draft is about accumulating potential as nobody is a sure thing. The one
worry I have is he's had 2 shoulder surgeries already.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby mykc14 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:47 am

I have no doubt the Hawks think he can start this year, probably at SAM or WILL for them. I know we still have KJ and Barton, but remember Barton didn’t look like a sure thing last year and we can save 8 mil on cap if we cut KJ- I know that wouldn’t be popular, but if it helps us deal the deal with Clowney it might be worth it.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby RiverDog » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:41 am

mykc14 wrote:I have no doubt the Hawks think he can start this year, probably at SAM or WILL for them. I know we still have KJ and Barton, but remember Barton didn’t look like a sure thing last year and we can save 8 mil on cap if we cut KJ- I know that wouldn’t be popular, but if it helps us deal the deal with Clowney it might be worth it.


I hadn't thought of that possibility, but it does make sense.

I don't think it would be a hugely unpopular move to cut KJ, at least no more than it was to cut Sherman and part ways with Earl.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby TriCitySam » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:16 am

I read several unkind reviews on the top edge guys. The media was all over Epenesa (some in the top 10), Gross-Matos and some on Blacklock and Braun. Guess what? They're still their, and as valuable edge guys are, what does that tell you? Pete Prisco knows more than 32 GM's?
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby RiverDog » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:50 am

TriCitySam wrote:I read several unkind reviews on the top edge guys. The media was all over Epenesa (some in the top 10), Gross-Matos and some on Blacklock and Braun. Guess what? They're still their, and as valuable edge guys are, what does that tell you? Pete Prisco knows more than 32 GM's?


I don't know about Prisco, but the consensus was that this draft class wasn't rich in edge rushers, so it shouldn't be a huge surprise that there were so few taken.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby HawkDawg » Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:18 pm

As Gee Scott from KIRO radio said this morning, "Whenever the Hawks get and A grade for a pick, I get nervous".
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby jshawaii22 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:15 pm

mykc14 wrote:I have no doubt the Hawks think he can start this year, probably at SAM or WILL for them. I know we still have KJ and Barton, but remember Barton didn’t look like a sure thing last year and we can save 8 mil on cap if we cut KJ- I know that wouldn’t be popular, but if it helps us deal the deal with Clowney it might be worth it.


I had the same thought once I had the chance to really review the pick, but I figured maybe trade KJ to move up in the draft today. Maybe with N.E. who seems to be a trading partner with us the last couple years.


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Re: Draft Thread

Postby Aseahawkfan » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:12 pm

The more I look at it, the more I like the pick. Mychal Kendricks likely gone. KJ feeling his years of football more than usual. You need good LBs for a great defense. Run defense has been trash. Kid seems like a good pick up to shore up the run defense and aging LB corps. Now let's see how we do the next few days.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:36 pm

R2 pick is Darrell Taylor DE, Tennessee.
He’s been injured somewhat but could be a good pass rusher.
They moved up 11 spots. I don’t know what they gave up
to move up.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby jshawaii22 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:38 pm

We gave up our first 2nd round pick and the pick in the 3rd round.

We have the last pick in this round 2 and we're done until tomorrow.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby Aseahawkfan » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:41 pm

They must like something the guy brings to the table. More D-line talent. Seems they want to rebuild the defense for sure now.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:16 pm

jshawaii22 wrote:We gave up our first 2nd round pick and the pick in the 3rd round.

We have the last pick in this round 2 and we're done until tomorrow.


To move up 11 spots?
We was robbed! Terrible trade imo.

Definitely moving down from our next pick.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby Hawk Sista » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:37 pm

What did we get to trade out???

I like the Taylor pick myself.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby jshawaii22 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:47 pm

looks like the 5th pick in round 3 and then the 2nd in round 5. That's all I could see on the tracker.

Both our first pics have injuries in their last year that affected the draft position. On Taylor, some talking heads like the pick as it "fits" our scheme of a wide edge rusher, ala Bruce Irvin... (what i remember about Bruce is how often he ended up 20 yards behind the QB, but that's just me)
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby obiken » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:50 pm

Hawk Sista wrote:What did we get to trade out???

I like the Taylor pick myself.


Yeah he is rated higher than our first round pick.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby c_hawkbob » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:52 pm

Damn, I really wanted Davis.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby Hawk Sista » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:03 pm

Yeah, Bob. Me too.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby c_hawkbob » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:14 pm

At least we're drafting linemen eh Sis? Got us a pass rusher in the second and a road grader of a guard after losing out on Davis (I choose to tell myself we were about to pounce on him).
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby obiken » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:23 pm

This pick my be the most valuable of all. We need to stop pressure up the middle.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby Stream Hawk » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:24 pm

Can anybody update me what’s happening tonight since the Taylor pick? My wife would rather watch crazy pandemic news. And I’m relegated to barbecuing
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby mykc14 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:36 pm

NorthHawk wrote:R2 pick is Darrell Taylor DE, Tennessee.
He’s been injured somewhat but could be a good pass rusher.
They moved up 11 spots. I don’t know what they gave up
to move up.


Taylor fits exactly what we need- he is a prototypical LEO for us... I’m not saying he’s going to be a stud sack guy- I hope he is, but he ticks off all of the boxes for a Leo...
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby TriCitySam » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:17 pm

to move up 11 spots?
We was robbed! Terrible trade imo.


As I read it, we gave up #101 and #59 to move to 48. Using the draft pick trade value chart, 48 is worth 420, so we gave up 59 (worth 310) and 101 (worth 96). So no robbery occured, it was a fair deal for us.

For me there's a lot to like about the first two picks. More speed and more physical has got to be good.
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Re: Draft Thread

Postby idhawkman » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:29 pm

Aseahawkfan wrote:The more I look at it, the more I like the pick. Mychal Kendricks likely gone. KJ feeling his years of football more than usual. You need good LBs for a great defense. Run defense has been trash. Kid seems like a good pick up to shore up the run defense and aging LB corps. Now let's see how we do the next few days.

I've been thinking that the Defense that got us to the big game twice had become a step slow. Maybe this is the first move toward bringing back some of that speed. I like that Bwags is older and wiser along with KJ but they seem to be getting beat a little when it comes to longer coverage routes.
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