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by **mykc14** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:02 pm

Looks like the niners resigned Arik Armstead to about 17-18 mil/year. Also, Hopkins traded to the Cards!!!! What a crazy trade. The Cards get one of the best receivers in the game, get rid of a terrible contract, and only have to give up a 2nd rounder.

by **mykc14** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:09 pm

Austin Hooper signed by the Browns: 4 years 44 million- highest paid TE in the league!

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:17 pm

9ers sent Buckner to the Colts for their 1st round pick #13.
They now have 2 firsts.

by **mykc14** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:56 pm

NorthHawk wrote:9ers sent Buckner to the Colts for their 1st round pick #13.
They now have 2 firsts.

And the Colts signed him to an extension worth 21 mil/year! Crazy. Big loss for the niners, but to get a first rounder for him is impressive.

by **jshawaii22** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:12 pm

hmmm.... 21m /yr -- so where does that leave Clowney?

by **mykc14** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:36 pm

jshawaii22 wrote:hmmm.... 21m /yr -- so where does that leave Clowney?

Good question, but above that. I'm still hoping he falls in at around 22.5 and we can still sign him... It's hard to say if this changes much for him, although it certainly doesn't help.

by **obiken** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:22 pm

Buckner to the Colts? I dont get that one. I think Buckner was a better player than Army.

by **obiken** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:24 pm

Damn Hopkins to the Cards! geez the hardest division in FB just got a whole lot tougher.

by **jshawaii22** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:03 pm

Vikings just extended their QB -- and Cousins (again) is the highest paid QB in the NFL, just ahead of Russell at 32m a year.

and we just re-signed Jarran Reed for 2 years at a real good deal for the team -- around 10m a year. I guess that's the penalty for getting suspended and having a mediocre year, compared with the year before.

by **obiken** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:08 am

10 Million a year for a guy like Reed? Geez, Jacob Green and Cortez Kennedy must be puking, Perpetually puking, wherever they are!

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:52 am

That's about right for Defensive Tackles these days and maybe a little underpaid by the end
of his contract.
Get used to it. The $$ being paid out is going pretty high very quickly for all positions.
Look how much the QB market has changed in the last 2 years. The other positions are
just following along albeit at a slower pace.

by **Agent 86** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:15 am

'Hawks extended tenders to the following players before the deadline:

David Moore- WR - Original Round Tender (7th round)
Jacob Hollister - TE - 2nd Round Tender
Joey Hunt - C - Original Round Tender (6th round)
Branden Jacksion - DL - Original Round Tender (Undrafted)

Reed signed a 2 year, $23 million deal. Also, sounds like they signed Luke Willson to a deal this morning, most likely as a backup plan in case Dissly isn't ready to go for the season opener as it is expected Ed Dickson will be cut and they already have Olsen and now Hollister in the mix.

And then of course they lost George Fant to the Jets yesterday as well.

That's it for now, but definitely more to come today and this week.

by **mykc14** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:34 am

Diggs traded to the Bills... Cooper becomes the first 20 mil/year WR staying with the Cowboys... and Brady says goodbye to NE via social media.

by **mykc14** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:37 am

obiken wrote:10 Million a year for a guy like Reed? Geez, Jacob Green and Cortez Kennedy must be puking, Perpetually puking, wherever they are!

I personally don’t love the Reed signing, just because all of his hype is surrounded by a three month dominant stretch two years ago, but if he can play at close to that level again this is a good deal for the Hawks. The top DT’s in the league are making over 20 mil/year now. A two-year contract is smart for him- he can cash in in a big way if he plays the way the Hawks think he can!

by **RiverDog** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:37 am

NorthHawk wrote:Get used to it. The $$ being paid out is going pretty high very quickly for all positions. Look how much the QB market has changed in the last 2 years. The other positions are just following along albeit at a slower pace.

This isn't very good for the league's PR image. Here we are in the middle of the biggest crisis since 9/11 and these guys are signing inflated contracts for mega millions. Everyone else is seeing their 401K's get hammered, many will be out of work, while these guys are sitting there fat, dumb, and happy. It's only going to widen the gulf between super star players and their fans.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:05 am

But on the other side of the coin it's an escape from the depressing reality of limited social interaction.
From my perspective a little bit of normalcy and something to look forward to is welcomed as they are
always going to make far more than I ever will, good times or bad.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:07 am

We re-signed Luke Willson as well.
I think that speaks volumes about this years TE draft class even if I
think they might take one of them anyway.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:40 am

NorthHawk wrote:From my perspective a little bit of normalcy and something to look forward to is welcomed as they are
always going to make far more than I ever will, good times or bad.

You and I might think of it that way, but there's going to be a certain segment of the population that will be looking at it from a different POV.

The players need to do something, particularly those like Russell and JJ Watt that complained about the CBA proposal because it might have cost them a couple million, start some sort of fund to help those impacted by the virus.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:43 am

Tom Brady made it official as he just announced that he's not returning to the Patriots:

https://sports.yahoo.com/tom-brady-make ... 07376.html

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:45 am

You and I might think of it that way, but there's going to be a certain segment of the population that will be looking at it from a different POV.

There's always a segment of the population that's butt hurt about something it seems.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:59 am

You and I might think of it that way, but there's going to be a certain segment of the population that will be looking at it from a different POV.

NorthHawk wrote:There's always a segment of the population that's butt hurt about something it seems.

Except that this "something" is the biggest crisis to hit the world for quite some time.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:32 am

I was talking about players getting highly paid. It's going to happen at some point, so why get
upset now?

by **RiverDog** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:08 pm

NorthHawk wrote:I was talking about players getting highly paid. It's going to happen at some point, so why get
upset now?

Because of the circumstances. The timing couldn't be worse. No one's going to see a banner with Mike Trout's almost 1/2 BILLION dollar contract running under images of first responders dressed like they're handling nuclear waste, stores with blocks long lines and empty shelves, and of the stock market crashing. But they will see all of those ugly images on top of a banner running with news of Kirk Cousin's $33 million contract.

by **jshawaii22** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:53 pm

This isn't very good for the league's PR image. Here we are in the middle of the biggest crisis since 9/11 and these guys are signing inflated contracts for mega millions. Everyone else is seeing their 401K's get hammered, many will be out of work, while these guys are sitting there fat, dumb, and happy. It's only going to widen the gulf between super star players and their fans.

Yet, here we all are, now with a lot more time on our hands and we're.... discussing football. I'm ok with it. Better then watching the stock market right now.

We closed our business doors yesterday and don't intend to reopen for a few weeks, at the earliest. Had to let all except one of my employees go to make sure we have a business to come back to. Sad world. Haven't seen this since the Gulf War stopped all the show biz world years ago.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:04 pm

Because of the circumstances. The timing couldn't be worse. No one's going to see a banner with Mike Trout's almost 1/2 BILLION dollar contract running under images of first responders dressed like they're handling nuclear waste, stores with blocks long lines and empty shelves, and of the stock market crashing. But they will see all of those ugly images on top of a banner running with news of Kirk Cousin's $33 million contract.

When do they do this, then?
There is going to be economic carnage the next 6 months to a year. Do they put everything on hold until the economy returns to where it was in January?
For us to get back to normal (whatever that may be) things have to be in place and one of the big ones is entertainment like sports. The NFL in this
case would be months behind if it suspended the league year and started again in let's say August. It would probably turn into a scat show and the season
would end up with an asterisk. This way, the pieces will be in place and when the virus has run its course and stadiums can again be filled, the NFL can
then proceed in an orderly fashion with its ducks already in a row.
Some people may not like it today, but they will have forgotten it tomorrow. That's the lesson from sports and entertainment.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:38 pm

NorthHawk wrote:When do they do this, then?
There is going to be economic carnage the next 6 months to a year. Do they put everything on hold until the economy returns to where it was in January?
For us to get back to normal (whatever that may be) things have to be in place and one of the big ones is entertainment like sports. The NFL in this
case would be months behind if it suspended the league year and started again in let's say August. It would probably turn into a scat show and the season
would end up with an asterisk. This way, the pieces will be in place and when the virus has run its course and stadiums can again be filled, the NFL can
then proceed in an orderly fashion with its ducks already in a row.
Some people may not like it today, but they will have forgotten it tomorrow. That's the lesson from sports and entertainment.

All I'm saying is that their PR image sucks. While every other league was voluntarily suspending games and seasons, the NFL made a conscious decision to do business as usual, which is fine as there wasn't much about their business at this time of year that puts the public at risk, but the visuals look really bad. They need to do something.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:51 pm

jshawaii22 wrote:We closed our business doors yesterday and don't intend to reopen for a few weeks, at the earliest. Had to let all except one of my employees go to make sure we have a business to come back to. Sad world. Haven't seen this since the Gulf War stopped all the show biz world years ago.

Man, that sucks, especially for your employees. Hopefully you're only closed for a few weeks. My wife and I are damn lucky that we're both retired. My wife in particular is counting her lucky stars as she worked as a nurse in a nursing home for 40 years and knows exactly what kind of chaos is happening in that sector.

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:03 pm

I don't guess people are going to stop needing electricity so my industry is fairly safe.

As for there being a PR issue with the timing of free agency, I come down on the "damn glad to have something newsworthy besides corona virus madness to talk about" side of it.

*My company BTW has, as of yesterday suspended all collections actions and disconnects for commercial and residential customers until situations normalize. I like these folks.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:39 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:I don't guess people are going to stop needing electricity so my industry is fairly safe.

As for there being a PR issue with the timing of free agency, I come down on the "damn glad to have something newsworthy besides corona virus madness to talk about" side of it.

*My company BTW has, as of yesterday suspended all collections actions and disconnects for commercial and residential customers until situations normalize. I like these folks.

That is good. Hopefully most companies provides some kind of relief. People are going to need it.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:05 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:As for there being a PR issue with the timing of free agency, I come down on the "damn glad to have something newsworthy besides corona virus madness to talk about" side of it.

I'm damn glad for the distraction, too. But that wasn't my point.

c_hawkbob wrote:*My company BTW has, as of yesterday suspended all collections actions and disconnects for commercial and residential customers until situations normalize. I like these folks.

It's refreshing to hear about stuff like that. These are extraordinary times.

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:43 pm

Brady to the Bucs huh? (reporting it now on ESPN) I guess we get to see now whether the Pats dynasty was more Tom Terrific or Bill B.

by **mykc14** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:51 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:Brady to the Bucs huh? (reporting it now on ESPN) I guess we get to see now whether the Pats dynasty was more Tom Terrific or Bill B.

Looks like 30 mil on a one year deal. This is just another example of The Patriot Way. They are not going to overpay for anybody and at age 42 30 mil for Tom Brady is an overpay. It is going to be really weird seeing Tom Brady in that ugly Bucs Uni!!

by **mykc14** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:55 pm

Looks like our sack leader from last year is off to the Bills. Jefferson signed a 2-year contract. I haven't seen details yet, but he was a very DT for us last year and I was hoping we could get him back cheap.

by **jshawaii22** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:05 pm

Looks like 30 mil on a one year deal. This is just another example of The Patriot Way. They are not going to overpay for anybody and at age 42 30 mil for Tom Brady is an overpay. It is going to be really weird seeing Tom Brady in that ugly Bucs Uni!!

Maybe that's true he was 'overpaid' in strictly football sense. But, the NFL is big, big business. Tampa's 'season ticket' hot-line had to be shut down today as it overloaded with people wanting to buy for the coming year. How much more TV exposure will TB get vs this year? How many more people will travel to Tampa to see him? In a business sense, it's a great move for a dying city team, like Tampa. If Brady puts Tampa into the playoffs, then it also becomes a big "football" deal, too.

by **mykc14** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:03 pm

jshawaii22 wrote:
Maybe that's true he was 'overpaid' in strictly football sense. But, the NFL is big, big business. Tampa's 'season ticket' hot-line had to be shut down today as it overloaded with people wanting to buy for the coming year. How much more TV exposure will TB get vs this year? How many more people will travel to Tampa to see him? In a business sense, it's a great move for a dying city team, like Tampa. If Brady puts Tampa into the playoffs, then it also becomes a big "football" deal, too.

No doubt it’s going to make money for the team, but I’m talking salary cap hit wise. I agree it’s going to build excitement in that fan base that hasn’t been there in along time, but they aren’t a great football team, but maybe he makes the difference and gets them in the playoffs- who knows!

by **RiverDog** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:17 am

Looks like 30 mil on a one year deal. This is just another example of The Patriot Way. They are not going to overpay for anybody and at age 42 30 mil for Tom Brady is an overpay. It is going to be really weird seeing Tom Brady in that ugly Bucs Uni!!

jshawaii22 wrote:Maybe that's true he was 'overpaid' in strictly football sense. But, the NFL is big, big business. Tampa's 'season ticket' hot-line had to be shut down today as it overloaded with people wanting to buy for the coming year. How much more TV exposure will TB get vs this year? How many more people will travel to Tampa to see him? In a business sense, it's a great move for a dying city team, like Tampa. If Brady puts Tampa into the playoffs, then it also becomes a big "football" deal, too.

This is a bit off topic, but I wonder how big a percentage of total revenue season tickets make up for an NFL team and if there's really that big of a difference between selling maybe 20k extra season tickets at an average price of $300 by signing Brady is really that much money when total revenue for the league is $1 billion per season.

As far as Brady goes, this is a bad decision IMO. He should have just retired and taken his GOAT status and called it a career. He's in no danger of losing that status even if he has 3 butt fumbles per game for the next 3 seasons, but it's how a lot of us are going to remember him if things go badly.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:00 am

Brady will be another lesson for the younger players: money or greatness?

Tom took less money over the years to have an amazing team around him and win championships. He is the greatest QB of all time. Now he's taking a one year deal for the money to a team that will likely not be very competitive.

Greatness or money? Hard to have both and win the championships. Not impossible, but much, much harder to sustain a dynasty. It seems most players go for the money than the greatness of championships.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:13 am

Most players don't have a wife worth $100 Million, either to fall back on.
It's a lot easier to take less when the finances are not an issue.

by **jshawaii22** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:51 am

RD, it's actually a lot of $$$.

How about this - Last year there were 20,000 empty seats a game at Raymond James stadium. Given 10 games (8 + 2 preseason) at $100/tix, that seat is worth $1000.00 on a season ticket, 20,000 x $1000 = $20million, before you add income from parking, concessions, souvenir sales (like Brady jerseys) so if you look at it though ONLY that, he's coming pretty much free vs resigning Jameis at say $18-20m a year, but having 20,000 empty seats.

This is why I can't believe the Chargers didn't go 'all-in' unless the reports that Tom decided he really didn't want to move to LA, even though that was the rumor earlier this year. The Chargers would benefit by double or triple what Tampa would get, based on 'only' having 20,000 of their own fans a game last year at the Carson soccer stadium vs a shinny new 80,000 seat stadium in Inglewood and Tom Brady at QB. San Diego's starter is Tyrod Taylor... he'll sell a lot of tickets... Maybe they will move up and draft Tua, now that most of the teams have settled on their QB merry-go-round, but knowing their ownership is shaky at best, they'll probably stay put and draft Justin Hebert or other second tier QB and hope for the best (see: "Minchew" mania)

by **Aseahawkfan** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:57 am

NorthHawk wrote:Most players don't have a wife worth $100 Million, either to fall back on.
It's a lot easier to take less when the finances are not an issue.

I doubt that's it. Not like Brady was making no money at 15 million a year with a ton of endorsements. You can still have a great life on 15 million a year and he's going to make more money post-NFL being the greatest QB of all time. Then again it is also his position that affords him this. If he were nearly any other position, he wouldn't get the accolades he gets.

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