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Here’s the Hawks 2019 Schedule

http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2019/REG/Seahawks

5 Prime-Time games (4 in a row with a bye stuck in there). 4 10 AM starts (hasn’t been as big of a deal under PC). Last 2 at home vs niners and Cards.

mykc14 wrote:Here’s the Hawks 2019 Schedule

http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2019/REG/Seahawks

5 Prime-Time games (4 in a row with a bye stuck in there). 4 10 AM starts (hasn’t been as big of a deal under PC). Last 2 at home vs niners and Cards.

Wow 8-8, 9-7 at best.

I can see 3 losses of the 4 10am games, maybe all 4.
I'm not sure about the Falcons, but the other 3 can be
real tough at home, including Cleveland if last year is
any indication.

obiken wrote:Wow 8-8, 9-7 at best.

Obi, if you're not careful, you're going to take my crown of being the forum's biggest Debbie Downer.

It's way too early to start handicapping schedules. The NFL is a dynamic league, and except for New England, teams rise and fall like the changing of the seasons. If I recall, lots of people were talking about the Packers as NFC champs last season. For us, we still have the Frank Clark drama to sort out.

Four straight Prime Time games seems unprecedented, but personally I could care less except as it relates to my ability to attend in person.

The bye week falls pretty late this season, in Week 11, mini bye between Weeks 5 and 6. On paper, that sounds like an advantage. No large stretches of home/away games like there was last season. Final 2 games are at home vs. divisional opponents. Five trips to the ETZ, 4 of which are 10:00am starts.

Unless we're still hung up on the 10:00 am starts, of which our coaching staff has never complained about, the schedule looks pretty fair.

Great schedule. 19-0 here we come....

Obi, if you're not careful, you're going to take my crown of being the forum's biggest Debbie Downer.

Sorry Riv, that's always been Obi.

RiverDog wrote:Obi, if you're not careful, you're going to take my crown of being the forum's biggest Debbie Downer.

It's way too early to start handicapping schedules. The NFL is a dynamic league, and except for New England, teams rise and fall like the changing of the seasons. If I recall, lots of people were talking about the Packers as NFC champs last season. For us, we still have the Frank Clark drama to sort out.

Four straight Prime Time games seems unprecedented, but personally I could care less except as it relates to my ability to attend in person.

The bye week falls pretty late this season, in Week 11, mini bye between Weeks 5 and 6. On paper, that sounds like an advantage. No large stretches of home/away games like there was last season. Final 2 games are at home vs. divisional opponents. Five trips to the ETZ, 4 of which are 10:00am starts.

Unless we're still hung up on the 10:00 am starts, of which our coaching staff has never complained about, the schedule looks pretty fair.

What are you talking about? Obi had you beat for years. You two aren't even in the same ballpark. Obi is the sky is falling almost every year. Last year it was the Cardinals drafted some no name QB and we're done. He said we weren't going to do anything last year and we went to the playoffs. No one on the forum is more Debbie Downer reactionary than obiken. I think of him as the neurotic Woody Allen of the forum. Always coming up with reasons why we will fail, many that make no sense.

Aseahawkfan wrote:What are you talking about? Obi had you beat for years. You two aren't even in the same ballpark. Obi is the sky is falling almost every year. Last year it was the Cardinals drafted some no name QB and we're done. He said we weren't going to do anything last year and we went to the playoffs. No one on the forum is more Debbie Downer reactionary than obiken. I think of him as the neurotic Woody Allen of the forum. Always coming up with reasons why we will fail, many that make no sense.

I'm not sure if it fits Obi or not, but I'm generally more pessimistic than others for several reasons. First, I got sucked into the company line by reading the beat reporters rosy scenario stories back in the Holmgren era. I now have a "show me the money" attitude towards optimistic appraisals no matter who they come from. Secondly, partly because of the first reason, I have been let down so many times that I now intentionally lower my expectations. That way, I am not so bummed out when we lose because I halfway expected it, and if we win, I'm a lot happier because it's something I didn't expect.

So don't come down on Obi too hard. He's not a nonsensical person. Although he probably does express them as a "the sky is falling" mantra, his concerns are legitimate and shared by many, just not to the same degree.

So don't come down on Obi too hard. He's not a nonsensical person. Although he probably does express them as a "the sky is falling" mantra, his concerns are legitimate and shared by many, just not to the same degree.

Thanks Riv!
ASHF, 1. I never bought into Rosen, or Sam Darnold, they were turnover machines out here in the P-12, where the defenses are not that good. 2. I said that the 9ers were going to be a lot better with Jimmy G, but he went down, he will be back. NO the Cards are out for a long time. 3. We were headed into doom when we finally got back to the Running game, and turned the season around. 3.I do not think saying that 9-7 or 8-8 is Debbie downer. With Wilson we will games, but remember 12 teams "make" the playoffs, but only 3 from each side have a legit shot at winning the SB. WE are not going to win the SB as a Wild Card, period. We have never ever been a great road team. IF just making the playoffs is now the new standard OK, cool, we might. 4. Lining up against Seattle is not that hard, with a good defense, you cover Doug Baldwin, stop the run, and they are home, and teams know it.
Our "New" OL is better but come on, the best OLineman is average at best, and we might as well admit German E, is a bust. We do not have a great TE and most of all, no major WR to threaten teams except Doug and when was out, how did that work out for us? I think Doug is done, its shocking how fast it came. Sure PC is great at reloading the defense with a bunch of Kids who buy into the his "Tony Robbins lite" mentality, but after 3-4 years the slogans get old. We did nothing in FA, and we only have 4 draft picks. Moreover, PC is not very good at drafting Offensive talent, and that is being kind. So IF I am missing something that you think we have that could lead to a deep playoff run, please, let us all know! We went from a team that was simple, give the ball to Lynch, and Play Action. Now our offense, up to last year, was let RW run around for his life till someone gets open. How is that a winning formula? The Niners, IF JG is healthy, will vault over us; the Rams without a decent Todd Gurley, will be slip back but still win the division. Our schedule sucks, so all that together, spells 8-8 and 9-7. Where am I wrong? PS IF RW goes down, god forbid, start playing Taps, as our fight song.

obiken wrote:We have never ever been a great road team.

Most teams play better at home than they do on the road including us, but we have had some pretty good road warrior teams, specifically in 2005 and 2013 when we had league best records.

obiken wrote:Our "New" OL is better but come on, the best OLineman is average at best, and we might as well admit German E, is a bust.

I'm not sure which of our OL's you are considering our best, but as a unit, ours was rated amongst the highest performing OL's in the league, and there's to reason to believe that they can't equal that success this season. As far as Ifedi being a bust goes, it depends on your definition of a bust. If your definition for a first round bust is failing to make the Pro Bowl, they yea, he's a bust. But part of my definition is the number of games they've started, and Ifedi's started in just about all games he's suited up for.

obiken wrote:Moreover, PC is not very good at drafting Offensive talent, and that is being kind.

True, but a lot of his boners were as a result of Bevell and Cable's influence. Those two are gone.

obiken wrote:So IF I am missing something that you think we have that could lead to a deep playoff run, please, let us all know! We went from a team that was simple, give the ball to Lynch, and Play Action. Now our offense, up to last year, was let RW run around for his life till someone gets open. How is that a winning formula? The Niners, IF JG is healthy, will vault over us; the Rams without a decent Todd Gurley, will be slip back but still win the division. Our schedule sucks, so all that together, spells 8-8 and 9-7. Where am I wrong? PS IF RW goes down, god forbid, start playing Taps, as our fight song.

What you're missing is that you have a tendency of looking at our team in a vacuum, in other words, not relative to the other teams around us. They have their own problems. Take the Rams, for example. If you're a Rams fan, are you comfortable with how Todd Gurley and Jared Goff played down the stretch? How comfortable are you with their free agency losses, including 2 on their starting OL, two starters on an already leaky D (and that's not counting Suh, who is unlikely to return), and CJ Anderson, the RB that picked up the slack for Gurley? Their biggest FA signings are a couple of over-the-hill 30-something year olds, plus they're picking from the 31st spot in the draft and don't have a 2nd round pick, so their top 2 picks are #31 and #94. Or how about the Cards and Niners? Can you give me a reason why you think that they're going to go from being the 31st and 32nd worst teams in the league to winning our division? Heck, looking at our division rivals from that POV, I can see a very good argument for predicting that we'll win the NFC West.

Anyhow, just chill out for a bit. What was the name of that 80's song, don't worry, be happy?

River, I am fine! I still don't think that predicting 8-8 or 9-7 is being a Chicken Little. There are so many teams that we can beat at home, but not on the road. Dallas, Gb, and the Panthers, just to name a few. SD, has our number anywhere on the planet.
9ers beat us without Jimmy G, if he comes back, and with the draftees they can pick up, doesn't that put them over the top? The Cards as I said are done, they have very few pieces. Better argument against me would have been to say that in the new NFL, really only 4 teams have a good OL. PC to be kind, is horrible at getting anyone on the offensive side of the Football. However, Billcheat, PC, and ever Walsh, all got lucky with their qb picks. We will see!

Did you see how the Bucs got totally hosed on the schedule?

obiken wrote:Did you see how the Bucs got totally hosed on the schedule?

Bucs and the Raiders, both have a 6 week stretch where they are not in their home stadiums due to being the host of a London game. The NFL has already admitted that they screwed up, but there's not much they can do about it now.

RiverDog wrote:I'm not sure if it fits Obi or not, but I'm generally more pessimistic than others for several reasons. First, I got sucked into the company line by reading the beat reporters rosy scenario stories back in the Holmgren era. I now have a "show me the money" attitude towards optimistic appraisals no matter who they come from. Secondly, partly because of the first reason, I have been let down so many times that I now intentionally lower my expectations. That way, I am not so bummed out when we lose because I halfway expected it, and if we win, I'm a lot happier because it's something I didn't expect.

So don't come down on Obi too hard. He's not a nonsensical person. Although he probably does express them as a "the sky is falling" mantra, his concerns are legitimate and shared by many, just not to the same degree.

Why do people view stating the truth as coming down on someone? Obi been doing the same thing for years. It's part of his personality. Then he watches the season like he does every year because he's a fan.

I have absolutely zero dislike of [b[Obiken[/b] or anyone else on the forum. I like some Woody Allen movies. I always have an image in my mind of Obi going on a Seahawk-related neurotic Woody Allen like rant about how we're going to fail and everything bad is going to happen using reason after reason to fuel his worry. The movie in my mind is amusing.

It's not a big deal. Just know you're pretty far from the biggest Debbie Downer on the forum. For the most part you're pretty reasonable. You're more likely to get a certain theory in your head and hang on to it like a pitbull even if it's been clearly refuted or doesn't fit the evidence. Though as we all know you can find evidence to fit any scenario you choose to believe.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Why do people view stating the truth as coming down on someone? Obi been doing the same thing for years. It's part of his personality. Then he watches the season like he does every year because he's a fan.

I have absolutely zero dislike of [b[Obiken[/b] or anyone else on the forum. I like some Woody Allen movies. I always have an image in my mind of Obi going on a Seahawk-related neurotic Woody Allen like rant about how we're going to fail and everything bad is going to happen using reason after reason to fuel his worry. The movie in my mind is amusing.

It's not a big deal. Just know you're pretty far from the biggest Debbie Downer on the forum. For the most part you're pretty reasonable. You're more likely to get a certain theory in your head and hang on to it like a pitbull even if it's been clearly refuted or doesn't fit the evidence. Though as we all know you can find evidence to fit any scenario you choose to believe.

I appreciate your comments.

I wasn't necessarily responding to any specific comment or poster. I was just making a general statement in anticipation of Obi getting his usual guff over his glass half empty POV.

You never know year to year who will be up or down. I know since Wilson came to Seattle 9-7 is the worst the team has done. I like to think they will be 11-5, nfc west champs and lose in the divisional .

Hawktawk wrote:You never know year to year who will be up or down. I know since Wilson came to Seattle 9-7 is the worst the team has done. I like to think they will be 11-5, nfc west champs and lose in the divisional .

I really think that the Rams are set up for a big fall, perhaps as far as 3rd in the division and a losing record. They looked lots less intimidating in the 2nd half of their season than they did in the first. Even though their defense isn't all that great, New England completely shut them down in the SB, a game that the Rams didn't even deserve to be in. Todd Gurley remains a mystery. They lost a bunch of key players on both sides of the ball and picking from the 31st slot with no 2nd round pick, the odds that they'll get an immediate impact type player through the draft seems unlikely, and they'll be playing a first place schedule. They pushed all their chips to the center of the table last season, and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

The more I look at our schedule, the more reasons I can see for being optimistic. 3 of the 4 games vs. divisional champs are at home. Both our byes are positioned just before east coast road trips. Our last two games are at home. The potential for bad weather games (of which RW doesn't play well) is as low as it can be.

Gurley has an arthritic knee. Goff and even boy wonder mcveigh were seriously exposed in the super bowl. You have mentioned the defensive departures and that of the back who really carried the load late in the season. And let’s remember Seattle should have beaten them once , could have beaten them both games and moved the ball at will on them. I still see it the same as last year preseason . Hawks 1, rams 2, niners a dangerous 3 and zona still
In the cellar.

Hawktawk wrote:Gurley has an arthritic knee. Goff and even boy wonder mcveigh were seriously exposed in the super bowl. You have mentioned the defensive departures and that of the back who really carried the load late in the season. And let’s remember Seattle should have beaten them once , could have beaten them both games and moved the ball at will on them. I still see it the same as last year preseason . Hawks 1, rams 2, niners a dangerous 3 and zona still
In the cellar.

I'd sure like to see what's going to become of Frank Clark before I go out on a limb with my predictions for our prospects this season, but assuming he's going to be in our lineup, I, too, feel that we should be the favorites to win the division. I really liked what I saw out of our team last season after the first couple of weeks.

Clark's status will affect the draft one way or another, and if he shows up just before
the start of the year he will probably be behind physically. If that does happen, I hope
he doesn't get injured early in the year.
If he's signed just before or at the start of TC, he should be good to go when the
season starts.

You make very good points NorthHawk. The worst thing that could happen to Clark is:

Don't show up until the season starts. Not be in shape and perform poorly or even worse, get hurt early be put on IR before he can shine. Next year his stock will have dropped considerably.

The worst thing that could happen to the Hawks:

Draft a DE that doesn't work out.

Bottom line, Clark HAS TO perform this year on his tag in order to get paid next year. Going about his business stupidly is the greatest threat to him doing just that.

Well, a lot of players have been stupid about that in the past, or got bad advice from
their agent, so let's hope he comes to camp early and is physically ready for the start
of the season. There are very few players that can walk in the last week of TC and
play at a high level so the odds are against him. Big Walt did that a few years in a
row (was it 3?) but he was just a freak of nature.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall and hear how they discussed Clark and the contract
situation. I wonder if they think that Jacob Martin and Rasheem Green progressed
enough to be able to make up for Clark if they let him go. We know a draft pick
will take a few games or maybe a couple of years to get to the level of Clark if they
have that much talent, but I've always said the draft is about finding potential and
you never really know how or if they can play at the NFL level.

It's a tough decision for our FO.

Edit:
Here's a recent article about who the teams are that might be interested in
trading for Clark:

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/ ... rank-clark

I agree that Walt was a freak of nature but he was also a Seahawk which might give Clark more "justification" to be like Walt and think the fans are going to be okay with it. I think the fans will be fine with it as long as he hits the season strong from the gate and carries it all the way through but anything short of that and I think they'll hold it against him even more.

Another thought, the team could be just as nasty to him if he doesn't show up and cut him after the draft and after FA is over. Teams will have addressed their edge rush needs by then leaving him in the cold.

idhawkman wrote:Another thought, the team could be just as nasty to him if he doesn't show up and cut him after the draft and after FA is over. Teams will have addressed their edge rush needs by then leaving him in the cold.

I don't think cutting him is on the table, but trading him might be.
We've already budgeted his Tag salary $ into this years Cap, so it shouldn't be much of
an issue this year, and he's only 26 years old so his best days are ahead of him. That
gives the team a lot to think about before making any decisions.

NorthHawk wrote:I don't think cutting him is on the table, but trading him might be.
We've already budgeted his Tag salary $ into this years Cap, so it shouldn't be much of
an issue this year, and he's only 26 years old so his best days are ahead of him. That
gives the team a lot to think about before making any decisions.

Yeah, You are rigth but "IF" they did that it would screw him pretty bad (as well as screwing the team though).

Apparently the Jets are no longer interested.
So the rumor is the Chiefs and Colts.
The Jets have a real high pick, so they should be able to get a player with
the potential to be as good as Clark for a lot less money for the first few
years at least. But it is a gamble with draft picks.

NorthHawk wrote:Apparently the Jets are no longer interested.
So the rumor is the Chiefs and Colts.
The Jets have a real high pick, so they should be able to get a player with
the potential to be as good as Clark for a lot less money for the first few
years at least. But it is a gamble with draft picks.

Wasn't the Clemson edge rushers pretty good? Are they in this draft class? I don't know but it seems to ring a bell. (could've been last year though)

NorthHawk wrote:Apparently the Jets are no longer interested.
So the rumor is the Chiefs and Colts.
The Jets have a real high pick, so they should be able to get a player with
the potential to be as good as Clark for a lot less money for the first few
years at least. But it is a gamble with draft picks.

Yea, my old buddy from the PI forum is predicting a draft day trade of Clark with the Colts, and for a boat load of picks. But I don't see us getting more than a first rounder, and if it's Indy, it'll be a late first round pick. The Jets dropping out of the sweepstakes doesn't help our cause.

I saw a tidbit that noted we've traded our original first round pick for either a player or more picks for the last 7 straight years.

With so few selections at this point, I'm pretty sure it will be 8 consecutive years of trading down.
Maybe twice into the 2nd round if JS thinks the talent is reasonably similar.

NorthHawk wrote:With so few selections at this point, I'm pretty sure it will be 8 consecutive years of trading down.
Maybe twice into the 2nd round if JS thinks the talent is reasonably similar.

If there isn't a draft day trade with Clark, trading down in the first is a foregone conclusion so long as we find a dance partner.

Picking at 21 might be a sweet spot where players that last a little longer than expected become good value or a point where the first RB or WR comes off the board. Teams with a particular WR in mind might want to move up in front of
the Ravens who are said to want to find more weapons for their QB. As well, KC might want to get their RB to replace Hunt.

There are lots of different scenarios where a trade might come about.

NorthHawk wrote:Picking at 21 might be a sweet spot where players that last a little longer than expected become good value or a point where the first RB or WR comes off the board. Teams with a particular WR in mind might want to move up in front of
the Ravens who are said to want to find more weapons for their QB. As well, KC might want to get their RB to replace Hunt.

There are lots of different scenarios where a trade might come about.

Yea, it's interesting. One player drops unexpectedly and it throws off everyone's board. I sometimes wish that I could be in the war room on draft day more than I wish I could see a Super Bowl.

I'd definitely want to be in a War Room over a Super Bowl.
The experience of being at a SB would be awesome, but being
in the room when discussing the players and seeing how a
board is set up would give you a much greater insight into how
the business of the draft is done.

Then again, being at a SB would mean we were in it again.