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Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:45 am**

Doesn't want to miss the half million dollar game checks, i guess.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... wks-today/

The FO also turned down a 2nd round pick from the Cowboys:

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2018/ ... ed-it-down

Edit:
Cowboys don't plan to offer more:

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2018/ ... l-thomas-3

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:53 am**

Another useless holdout that didn't work. Earl would have been better off showing up, getting shape, showing he can play, and having his agent lobby for a trade or new contract.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:54 am**

Not a surprise. I think he saw that he is being planned out with our recent cut downs and the Luani move. Now we have an out of shape, disgruntled safety reporting and wanting to play. I sit him until he is in game shape.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:00 pm**

It's just a vet with an excuse to skip TC. Walter used to do it all the time. No big deal.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:01 pm**

There'd been rumors circulating for the past week or so that ET was on the verge of ending his holdout.

Glad to have him back, but I wish he hadn't have pulled this stunt in the first place and I'm glad that the FO didn't cave in.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:02 pm**

idhawkman wrote:Not a surprise. I think he saw that he is being planned out with our recent cut downs and the Luani move. Now we have an out of shape, disgruntled safety reporting and wanting to play. I sit him until he is in game shape.

I bet he's in fine shape. As for disgruntled ... maybe, but he's a pro, he'll handle his business just fine. I'm more than happy to welcome him back.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:20 pm**

c_hawkbob wrote:
I bet he's in fine shape. As for disgruntled ... maybe, but he's a pro, he'll handle his business just fine. I'm more than happy to welcome him back.

I was more commenting on the tweet he sent out about not forgetting the disrespect he has been shown this year.

Regarding in shape, I'm sure his cardio and physical shape is good but its a bit different when you are actually playing and getting hit.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:45 pm**

c_hawkbob wrote:It's just a vet with an excuse to skip TC. Walter used to do it all the time. No big deal.

I don't recall Walter telling other teams to come get him and pushing to force a trade. For this to go in our favor, I think Earl needs a good year on the field to up his trade value or a long-term extension. I guess we'll see how this goes now that he has shown up.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:57 pm**

Aseahawkfan wrote:
I don't recall Walter telling other teams to come get him and pushing to force a trade. For this to go in our favor, I think Earl needs a good year on the field to up his trade value or a long-term extension. I guess we'll see how this goes now that he has shown up.

I think he is a free agent next year isn't he? So he needs to have a great year to maximize his negotiating position with whichever team he goes to next year. He also better stay healthy.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:14 pm**

Unless the Hawks Tag him.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:27 pm**

NorthHawk wrote:Unless the Hawks Tag him.

That would be interesting. When you meet a crazed dog, do you taunt him?

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:52 pm**

Tag and trade maybe or keep him for about $13 million, but he will be a year older which lessens his trade value.
The Cap space next year should be pretty big, so maybe for 1 year.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:53 pm**

If he has another All Pro season I think we absolutely tag him.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:38 pm**

c_hawkbob wrote:If he has another All Pro season I think we absolutely tag him.

If he has a decent season with no big injury I think we tag him... the long-term solution can’t be to have him play out this season at a high level and then let him walk for nothing. I also don’t think the long-term solution is to sign him to the amount he wants. I see the most likely scenario with him being an F-Tag and trade or a long-term contract that is less than Berry got overall.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:53 pm**

Earl's statement, that ""the disrespect is well noted and will not be forgotten." doesn't sound like a player that wants to remain with the team under any circumstances. I have to think that Pete and John don't want this distraction to continue any longer than it has to while they're embarking on this rebuild. IMO we exeute a trade by the end of October.

Keep an eye on the Cowboys, how they start the season, their injury situation, how their secondary performs, etc. Jerry Jones is one of the biggest suckers in the league. I can't believe that he'd sit on his hands if he thinks Earl can get his team over the hump.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:57 pm**

Anything to get back to the glory hole days. ;-)

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:59 pm**

RiverDog wrote:Earl's statement, that ""the disrespect is well noted and will not be forgotten." doesn't sound like a player that wants to remain with the team under any circumstances. I have to think that Pete and John don't want this distraction to continue any longer than it has to while they're embarking on this rebuild. IMO we exeute a trade by the end of October.

Keep an eye on the Cowboys, how they start the season, their injury situation, how their secondary performs, etc. Jerry Jones is one of the biggest suckers in the league. I can't believe that he'd sit on his hands if he thinks Earl can get his team over the hump.

That's what I don't want. He will be looked up to by the younger players and "IF" (BIG IF) he wants to be a distraction he could derail what John and Pete are trying to do with this rebuild.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:29 pm**

Hawk Sista wrote:Anything to get back to the glory hole days.

I see what you did there

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:02 pm**

Earl would be stupid to not perform at a high level or become a major distraction. His future contract depends on what he does this year. I think he is mentally done as a Hawk. In his mind he beed dissed. Dumbass can’t even see where he screwed up after the Dallas game. Maybe John and Pete think they can salvage this or get more in the future for him. Hopefully Jerrah will up the ante a little more and his glory hole dreams will be fulfilled in his mind. Got news for him, the boys are farther away from the SB than anything earl will provide. Time for earl to go, damm I really liked him before he decided he wanted to be Jerrahs glory hole surprise.

The Pope

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:24 pm**

If we don't sign him, we have to tag him. Otherwise we lose him for nothing. That would be foolish.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:54 pm**

Aseahawkfan wrote:If we don't sign him, we have to tag him. Otherwise we lose him for nothing. That would be foolish.

Tagging him doesn't insure that we'll get something for him, especially if he subsequently gets injured. It's still going to take a dance partner that will meet our demands for a trade to happen.

If we're going to move him, we need to do so this season before the trading deadline. All along, Earl's been telling us that his holdout was all about business. Now he's talking about being disrespected, which doesn't sound very business-like to me. It's beginning to sound that whether fault lies with Earl or with our FO, that the bridges have been burned and reconciliation next to impossible...unless we want to reward him with an obscene, Eric Berry plus-type contract, which IMO isn't in the best interest of a rebuilding franchise that's a year or two away from competing for a Lombardi.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:13 pm**

Hawk Sista wrote:Anything to get back to the glory hole days.

That's one of the things that astounds me. It's one thing to want to go back to your childhood favorite team, but who on this Earth, with 31 teams at his feet, would want to go work for Pee Wee Herman?

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:54 pm**

The 'bosses' will know if their 'employee' will stay with the team and I expect the trade by Tuesday, after we play the 'boys in week #3 and before we fly out to London unless he steps in ready to play and becomes a leader instead of the team grouch. We had enough of those last year.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:40 am**

RiverDog wrote:Tagging him doesn't insure that we'll get something for him, especially if he subsequently gets injured. It's still going to take a dance partner that will meet our demands for a trade to happen.

If we're going to move him, we need to do so this season before the trading deadline. All along, Earl's been telling us that his holdout was all about business. Now he's talking about being disrespected, which doesn't sound very business-like to me. It's beginning to sound that whether fault lies with Earl or with our FO, that the bridges have been burned and reconciliation next to impossible...unless we want to reward him with an obscene, Eric Berry plus-type contract, which IMO isn't in the best interest of a rebuilding franchise that's a year or two away from competing for a Lombardi.

If Earl has a great year, tag and trade will work just fine. What is it? A first round pick to sign away a franchise tagged player? We don't need to trade him this year unless we get the price we want. If we can't sign him, tag and trade will work just fine.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:48 am**

c_hawkbob wrote:It's just a vet with an excuse to skip TC. Walter used to do it all the time. No big deal.

Bob, I saw Walter Jones pushing his SUV up the hill all the way from the Ferry Terminal up to St. James Cathedral, in spandex. Dude, I dont know if you have ever been to Seattle, but when I was in good shape, in my prime, no way I could walk past 5th or 6th on that hill. So Jones did not need training camp. It was a way to avoid contact and injury. ET, I have no idea.
I think we should have grabbed the 2 rounder from Dallas and moved on, but that's just me. I like ET more than Sherm, he is instant Ring of Honor and a HOFamer, but its time to give up on him.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:20 am**

Aseahawkfan wrote:If Earl has a great year, tag and trade will work just fine. What is it? A first round pick to sign away a franchise tagged player? We don't need to trade him this year unless we get the price we want. If we can't sign him, tag and trade will work just fine.

There's too much uncertainty in tagging him. You mentioned one yourself, that 'if' he has a great year. So what if he doesn't? What happens if he gets injured? Besides, having a great year isn't going to increase his value beyond what it is today. Teams already know what he can do, that he's almost unquestionably the best safety in the league. Earl's quality of play in the coming months isn't the primary factor in his trade-ability, it's the needs of the teams that might be willing to swing a trade. Every day we wait, we're rolling the dice, hoping that something doesn't cause his trade value to diminish.

So I say work a deal ASAP, and no later than the trading deadline (Oct. 30th). If a 2nd rounder is the best we can get for him, then cut our losses and pull the trigger. We're not going to get a deal like the Raiders got for Khalil Mack.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:00 am**

I am one of few in here, or anywhere, to say that I think the Mack deal was bad for the Bears. 2 1st rounders? Sorry, he is 27, it will take at least 2 years to build the Bears into winner, then he is 29. Raiders win in the long, haul but that's just me. Golic, Wingo, Cowherd, Wilbon, all the "experts" think the Raiders got took. As the Zen would say, we'll see.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:44 am**

obiken wrote:I am one of few in here, or anywhere, to say that I think the Mack deal was bad for the Bears. 2 1st rounders? Sorry, he is 27, it will take at least 2 years to build the Bears into winner, then he is 29. Raiders win in the long, haul but that's just me. Golic, Wingo, Cowherd, Wilbon, all the "experts" think the Raiders got took. As the Zen would say, we'll see.

You're not the only one. That's the kind of trade a team that's on the cusp of a Super Bowl makes, not one that's a couple years away. Considering the division that the Bears play in with both Minnesota and Green Bay being heralded as SB contenders, there's a good chance that at least one of those first round picks will be a top 10 pick or higher. Ironically, the Rams were rumored to have offered a package deal similar to what the Bears served up but that the Raiders were worried that the picks they'd receive would be low ones.

The Raiders are angling towards the 2021 season when their new stadium in Las Vegas is ready, and the last thing they wanted to do was to hem themselves in on a monster deal equivalent to that of a franchise QB.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:58 am**

The Raiders also need a Safety, so maybe they are one of the "other" teams interested in ET.
It would be easy for them to recoup a 2nd and the gamble is their 2nd round pick would be higher than Dallas.

As far as the trade of Mack goes, the old saying holds true that the team that wins the trade is the one that gets the better player.
Right now we don't know who the Raiders will get, but one of them has to be a perennial Pro Bowl or serious candidate for All pro for them to have the better of the trade.
If the other player even turns out to be just a long term starter then the Raiders win.
Maybe they have a plan to package both picks for the 1st overall and want Bosa? We'll know in April or before.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:02 am**

NorthHawk wrote:The Raiders also need a Safety, so maybe they are one of the "other" teams interested in ET.
It would be easy for them to recoup a 2nd and the gamble is their 2nd round pick would be higher than Dallas.

As far as the trade of Mack goes, the old saying holds true that the team that wins the trade is the one that gets the better player.
Right now we don't know who the Raiders will get, but one of them has to be a perennial Pro Bowl or serious candidate for All pro for them to have the better of the trade.
If the other player even turns out to be just a long term starter then the Raiders win.
Maybe they have a plan to package both picks for the 1st overall and want Bosa? We'll know in April or before.

It's not just player-for-player. You have to factor in what the Raiders would have had to pay Mack in order to land him to a multi year deal. His deal with the Bears was for 6 years and $141M with $90M guaranteed. #1 draft picks will be one heck of a lot cheaper.

IMO the Mack trade makes it extremely unlikely that the Raiders would be interested in Earl. The Raiders are obviously not behaving like a team that's a player or two away or else they wouldn't have traded their best player for draft choices. Like I said earlier, they're angling towards their 2021 move to Vegas. If an Earl trade happens, it will be with a contender, or at least a team that views themselves as such.

What the Raiders did with Mack was exactly the type of scenerio I was eluding to that the Hawks could be facing at the end of this season when it comes time to re-negotiate Russell's contract.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:17 am**

It's not as bad as you make it out to be.
The Cap will go up and the % of Cap space used by Mack will go down.
As well, they are heading to Las Vegas. Is it really a good idea to dump one of the best players in the league before moving to a new city?
I don't think McKenzie was the decider on this, but I wouldn't doubt that Gruden influenced the decision.
After all, McKenzie drafted him and watched him develop into one of the top 2 or 3 pass rushers in the league. I doubt he would want to
let him go without making a big time offer that Mack wouldn't have seen because of the trade. They might have been able to sign him for less than the Bears offer.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:21 am**

Not sure I even care about ET reporting anymore.

Another disgruntled millionaire in my team's uniform does nothing for me.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:14 pm**

River, I agree, it would have made more sense for the Packers to trade for Mack than the Bears.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:47 pm**

RiverDog wrote:There's too much uncertainty in tagging him. You mentioned one yourself, that 'if' he has a great year. So what if he doesn't? What happens if he gets injured? Besides, having a great year isn't going to increase his value beyond what it is today. Teams already know what he can do, that he's almost unquestionably the best safety in the league. Earl's quality of play in the coming months isn't the primary factor in his trade-ability, it's the needs of the teams that might be willing to swing a trade. Every day we wait, we're rolling the dice, hoping that something doesn't cause his trade value to diminish.

So I say work a deal ASAP, and no later than the trading deadline (Oct. 30th). If a 2nd rounder is the best we can get for him, then cut our losses and pull the trigger. We're not going to get a deal like the Raiders got for Khalil Mack.

You can't make decisions based on injury. That can happen to any player at any time. I don't see it as smart to make decisions based on possible negative outcomes. If we get a good price, make the trade. If not, hold on. But you don't let Earl walk next year without compensation. If you have to, you tag and trade. Protect your investment. Compensatory picks max at 3rd round and are at the end of the round. You don't want to end up with a compensatory pick for Earl. The cost of the franchise tag for a safety is 10 million, very reasonable.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:09 pm**

Ken Norton Jr: “Oh my goodness, really good to see Earl back. I became a better coach today

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:21 pm**

Ken Norton Jr: “Oh my goodness, really good to see Earl back. I became a better coach today

Exactly they should sign him. Let at least one member of the LoB retire a Seahawk due to reasons other than health. We lost Kam to a bad health likely due to his size and hitting style. We lost Sherm because of money and a tendon injury. Browner due to a quick decline. Earl's still got the juice and is worth the money. I hope they work a deal.

Posted: **Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:11 am**

Aseahawkfan wrote:Exactly they should sign him. Let at least one member of the LoB retire a Seahawk due to reasons other than health. We lost Kam to a bad health likely due to his size and hitting style. We lost Sherm because of money and a tendon injury. Browner due to a quick decline. Earl's still got the juice and is worth the money. I hope they work a deal.

Worth how much money? Eric Berry money? Khalil Mack money?

I'd be more than happy to sign Earl up to an extension, but my sense is that it's not going to happen. I don't see the Hawks offering more than what Berry got out of the Chiefs and it sure sounds like Earl wants 'respect', ie the top paid at his position, which I don't think any of us would argue that he hasn't earned that degree of 'respect.'

Posted: **Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:48 am**

I don't know if egos on both sides have pushed this past the point of any deal being possible, but how about the following scenario:

Pay him $40 million/4 years fully guaranteed except for voluntary retirement ($10 million/year).
The money would be paid every March 1st.

This would accomplish a couple of things:
Financial security for ET
First non QB with a guaranteed contract to satisfy his ego which might be enough of a trade off for not being paid the most
Team commitment to him and respect he desires

The team would get a great player and financial certainty without a distraction and the Cap hit % would decrease over time.

Posted: **Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:27 am**

NorthHawk wrote:I don't know if egos on both sides have pushed this past the point of any deal being possible, but how about the following scenario:

Pay him $40 million/4 years fully guaranteed except for voluntary retirement ($10 million/year).
The money would be paid every March 1st.

This would accomplish a couple of things:
Financial security for ET
First non QB with a guaranteed contract to satisfy his ego which might be enough of a trade off for not being paid the most
Team commitment to him and respect he desires

The team would get a great player and financial certainty without a distraction and the Cap hit % would decrease over time.

Yes, I believe that egos have pushed this beyond reconciliation. I think that Earl wants out, and that his contract issues are a pretense in order for him to get where he's stated that he wants to go, ie the Cowboys.

I like your proposal, but I doubt that Earl would bite on such an offer. It's quite a bit less than Eric Berry's deal, which is $78M/6 years, or $13M/year, with $40M guaranteed. It's hard for me to believe that Earl would think of himself as being worth 70% (per year) of what Berry is.

Posted: **Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:14 am**

RiverDog wrote:
Yes, I believe that egos have pushed this beyond reconciliation. I think that Earl wants out, and that his contract issues are a pretense in order for him to get where he's stated that he wants to go, ie the Cowboys.

After reading the article in IG's thread, I think you are correct. Probably also why ET asked Dallas to come get him. I think he may have checked out the same game that Sherm and Kam did down in Arizona.

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