Chip Kelly to the Niners

[monkey]

Too bad... I was hoping we could revive the rivalry, but in my opinion, this move is just doomed to fail horribly.
I was right about him failing in Philadelphia, dont doubt that I will be again about this.

[Hawkstar]

Just read the article. He could provide a spark for Kaep and build effectively around his athleticism. The article doesn't mention any personal decision making authority.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... hip-kelly/

[wait_a_sec]

Will see how it goes, but either way, it is going to take some time. I doubt 9ers magically become contenders in this division quickly.

[c_hawkbob]

Just read the article. He could provide a spark for Kaep and build effectively around his athleticism. The article doesn't mention any personal decision making authority.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... hip-kelly/

Yes it does:

In San Francisco, G.M. Trent Baalke will pick the players, and Kelly will coach them. Coaching is what Kelly does best.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Chip Kelley returns to the west coast, good for him. I am sure he is going to rev up the Whiners to a team we will again love to hate. I mean, I STILL hate him for what he did with the Quacks.

[RiverDog]

With Kelly getting fired at Philly, it took away a possible outlet from which to get rid of Kaepernick, which was the absolute best spot he could have gone, so from that perspective, this hire makes a lot of sense.

It will be interesting to see of Kelly clings to his up tempo offense, if he changes his practice routines, if he's learned anything from his failure in Philly.

[Hawkstar]

Oops - Thanks Bob. That's what I get for reading and sitting on con call at the same time...

[Zorn76]

I doubt very much that Kaep wants to stay in SF, regardless. His current contract certainly isn't gonna fly as it is if he does remain.

As for the hire...meh, lol.

I think they should've gone all in with Coughlin. At a minimum, he would've done a good job of ridding that roster of any remaining dead wood, and would bring some much needed discipline and credibility to the job.

[Hawktawk]

Only in San Fran. The guy is a controlling douche who alienated his locker room in 3 short years.His players trashed him on the way out of town.
At least he doesn't control personnel but his track meet style offense isn't going to fly in the NFC west. The division abused him when he was in Philly.
Nice to know the 9ers will remain a doormat.

[The POPE]

Regardless of whose picking the roster it looks like the 9'ers will remain in the NFC west dungeon for a while. Neither Kelly or Balke have exactly a sterling record at assembling a NFL roster. Balke had some success, but that was mostly due to Hairball. If Chip couldn't compete in the NFC east with his system, he more than likely will have a harder time in the west. I'm glad I'm not a 9'er fan, it would be like reliving the 90's as a Seahawks fan.

[RiverDog]

I doubt very much that Kaep wants to stay in SF, regardless. His current contract certainly isn't gonna fly as it is if he does remain.

As for the hire...meh, lol.

I think they should've gone all in with Coughlin. At a minimum, he would've done a good job of ridding that roster of any remaining dead wood, and would bring some much needed discipline and credibility to the job.

That's an interesting take, Zorny.

But I'm sticking with my hunch. IMO Kelly was brought in because there was very little likelihood that they could get any kind of value out of a Kaepernick trade, that they are not convinced that Gabbert was their long term answer, and that there wasn't a QB in the current draft class that they liked. Bringing in Kelly makes all the sense in the world, and the fact that they already had Kaepernick on the roster is probably the reason that Kelly lobbied hard to get the job.

[Zorn76]

I'm not sure how many options Kelly had at the NFL level to be a HC this year.

He's also a candidate that has virtually no credibility at the moment, primarily due to his own ineptitude in handling the Eagles this season.

Other candidates like Coughlin and Shanahan have SB rings to their credit, tipping the scales in their favor when compared to York and his sinking 49er vessel.

The fact that each side is struggling has a lot to do with this arrangement as much as anything else. We'll see if Kaepernick even wants to stay. Again, the 49ers are not going to pay him 15 mil or so this season to do so. He isn't worth it, and he's also entering the off season as one of his team's main scapegoats for their lousy year.

[RiverDog]

I'm not sure how many options Kelly had at the NFL level to be a HC this year.

He's also a candidate that has virtually no credibility at the moment, primarily due to his own ineptitude in handling the Eagles this season.

Other candidates like Coughlin and Shanahan have SB rings to their credit, tipping the scales in their favor when compared to York and his sinking 49er vessel.

The fact that each side is struggling has a lot to do with this arrangement as much as anything else. We'll see if Kaepernick even wants to stay. Again, the 49ers are not going to pay him 15 mil or so this season to do so. He isn't worth it, and he's also entering the off season as one of his team's main scapegoats for their lousy year.

I would be surprised if he had any other options as an HC in the NFL, and I think he knew it, thus his lobbying the Niners, which had to be one of the worst jobs of those that were open.

I would be delighted to see Kaepernick leave the division. I know that we've gotten into his head big time and that he has a horrible record against us, but he's still one of the scariest quarterbacks in the game that can singlehandedly beat a team. I would be a lot more comfortable going up against someone like Blaine Gabbert than I would Kaepernick.

[obiken]

With Kelly getting fired at Philly, it took away a possible outlet from which to get rid of Kaepernick, which was the absolute best spot he could have gone, so from that perspective, this hire makes a lot of sense.

It will be interesting to see of Kelly clings to his up tempo offense, if he changes his practice routines, if he's learned anything from his failure in Philly.

The problem is River, was with players on 2nd and 3rd contracts. These guys are men, they are not going to let some coach tell them when to go to the bathroom. Put out the new routines, trainers, equipment, ect make it all available to use on their own time, then if they don't show up in shape cut them, just like PC. You cannot micro manage their lives. Even Lombardi had to adjust to the players when he went to the Giants. That's why he went to Frank Gifford and other vets for advice.
Unlike Monkey, I am not ready to write off Chip yet. I just felt that the Titans would have been a better fit. However, without the Gm hat and a few adjustments, Chippy could still be a good coach.

[Hawktawk]

Jeffrey Lurie who seems to be a very classy deliberate thinking man abruptly dropped Chip Kelley on a Monday in week 16. Among his numerous comments were that he was looking for a coach with "emotional maturity".
Kelley is a fraud at the pro level right now. He might be poison almost with the way his players of every race ragged on him after he was fired. I'm stunned by this hiring but then again it is the 9ers.
Kelley could of course come to Jesus and mellow as Coughlin did and do great things but my sense of the man is that he is too arrogant to do it.Kaepernic isn't half as intelligent as Marcus Mariota and would be a disaster in Kelley's scheme. His rushing numbers have declined every year of his career. Honestly I think hes tired of contact and maybe even playing.

I see this Kelley Kaepernic experiment as a one or two hit wonder touring the cellar of the hard nosed NFC west.

[Zorn76]

"I would be delighted to see Kaepernick leave the division. I know that we've gotten into his head big time and that he has a horrible record against us, but he's still one of the scariest quarterbacks in the game that can singlehandedly beat a team. I would be a lot more comfortable going up against someone like Blaine Gabbert than I would Kaepernick."

See, now there, I'd actually like him to remain.
I don't think he'll end up running Any offense very well, no matter how simple.

[obiken]

Jeffrey Lurie who seems to be a very classy deliberate thinking man abruptly dropped Chip Kelley on a Monday in week 16. Among his numerous comments were that he was looking for a coach with "emotional maturity".
Kelley is a fraud at the pro level right now. He might be poison almost with the way his players of every race ragged on him after he was fired. I'm stunned by this hiring but then again it is the 9ers.
Kelley could of course come to Jesus and mellow as Coughlin did and do great things but my sense of the man is that he is too arrogant to do it.Kaepernic isn't half as intelligent as Marcus Mariota and would be a disaster in Kelley's scheme. His rushing numbers have declined every year of his career. Honestly I think hes tired of contact and maybe even playing.

I see this Kelley Kaepernic experiment as a one or two hit wonder touring the cellar of the hard nosed NFC west.

That's way to harsh to say that unless he just flops at SF.

[monkey]

My opinion:
I don't think calling him a fraud at the NFL level is too harsh at all to be honest. That's exactly what he is. He's a college coach, who gets all kinds of media hype that he absolutely doesn't deserve. Chip Kelly's system is anything but the "genius, innovative" system the east coast media billed it as. There's absolutely NOTHING new about a hurry up offense, or an offense that tries to squeeze in as many plays as possible. It's been tried and retired MANY times over the years, and has ALWAYS ultimately failed, after making an immediate but short lived flashy splash. The reason?
All it takes to beat an offense like Chip runs, is a ball control offense similar to what the Seahawks run to beat it every time.

Even putting all that aside though, this hire is quite possibly the stupidest thing the Niners have done since letting Harbaugh go, for an even more glaringly obvious reason0.
Pairing up a coach who wants total personnel control, with a GM who wants total personnel control, and an owner who sides with a GM who has been a COMPLETE BUST over a head coach who was nothing short of terrific, is so stupid that only the Niners could even think it would ever have a chance of success!
There is simply no way that Baalke and Kelly can co-exist together for long.

Niners fans can say goodbye to the playoffs for the next five years AT LEAST. It will likely be much longer than that, as it will probably take several years to rebuild from the train wreck that we've all witnessed the last few years, and which has now been compounded by this train wreck of a hire.
Idiot owner of the decade award EASILY goes to York, who took a team that went to back to back NFC championship games, and turned them into one of the games worst teams, through his incompetence as an owner.
It's hard not to point and laugh at the debacle, but at the same time, as much as I loathe the Niners and would love to revel in this whole Titanic redux, I miss the rivalry more. Games between the Niners and Seahawks were SO much fun when they were both great. The Cardinals and Rams just don't provide the same level of animosity, though I seriously dislike the Rams, as there are too many dirty, cheap shot artists on that team for my liking.

[Hawktown]

Hey, where has that Futureite guy been with all his great insight to all things 9er's???

[obiken]

My opinion:
I don't think calling him a fraud at the NFL level is too harsh at all to be honest. That's exactly what he is. He's a college coach, who gets all kinds of media hype that he absolutely doesn't deserve. Chip Kelly's system is anything but the "genius, innovative" system the east coast media billed it as. There's absolutely NOTHING new about a hurry up offense, or an offense that tries to squeeze in as many plays as possible. It's been tried and retired MANY times over the years, and has ALWAYS ultimately failed, after making an immediate but short lived flashy splash. The reason?
All it takes to beat an offense like Chip runs, is a ball control offense similar to what the Seahawks run to beat it every time.

Even putting all that aside though, this hire is quite possibly the stupidest thing the Niners have done since letting Harbaugh go, for an even more glaringly obvious reason0.
Pairing up a coach who wants total personnel control, with a GM who wants total personnel control, and an owner who sides with a GM who has been a COMPLETE BUST over a head coach who was nothing short of terrific, is so stupid that only the Niners could even think it would ever have a chance of success!
There is simply no way that Baalke and Kelly can co-exist together for long.

Niners fans can say goodbye to the playoffs for the next five years AT LEAST. It will likely be much longer than that, as it will probably take several years to rebuild from the train wreck that we've all witnessed the last few years, and which has now been compounded by this train wreck of a hire.
Idiot owner of the decade award EASILY goes to York, who took a team that went to back to back NFC championship games, and turned them into one of the games worst teams, through his incompetence as an owner.
It's hard not to point and laugh at the debacle, but at the same time, as much as I loathe the Niners and would love to revel in this whole Titanic redux, I miss the rivalry more. Games between the Niners and Seahawks were SO much fun when they were both great. The Cardinals and Rams just don't provide the same level of animosity, though I seriously dislike the Rams, as there are too many dirty, cheap shot artists on that team for my liking.

Monkey one of the best articles you have ever written man, really. I just disagree. Skip Bayless echoes your sentiments as well. Chip is like Hillary Clinton to me, I neither love her or hate her, I just know she is good. We'll see.

[monkey]

Holy crap...I agree with Skip Bayless?
Well...I suppose there's a first time for everything right? I mean even Skip has to be correct about something, sometime right?
EDIT:
Double holy crap...the Packers are actually beating the Cardinals.

If the Packers win, I'll have been completely wrong about that game, (I mean COMPLETELY, it's the one game I felt absolutely sure of), AND will have agreed with Skip Bayless all within a short time span.
I think I need to lie down.

[obiken]

Most people in the NFL respect Chip Kelly. Bill Billichek, Uban Meyer, all call him. How many have copied him? The Hurry up is old no doubt. His form of combing pressure offense is not. I think your way off base Monk, but your answer was so detailed I had to respect it. We'll see in a couple of years.