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by **Uppercut** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 5:42 pm

Really didn't see it coming quite so soon! http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14462075/chip-kelly-released-philadelphia-eagles

by **obiken** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 5:49 pm

He is gold, he can have any college job he wants and the Eagles have to pay him. It shows how a franchise QB is THE most important component on an NFL team.
Indy, Titans, SD, Miami, or the Jets??

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:08 pm

[quote="obiken"]He is gold, he can have any college job he wants and the Eagles have to pay him. It shows how a franchise QB is THE most important component on an NFL team.
Indy, Titans, SD, Miami, or the Jets??[/quote
Chip had a lot more problems than QB. His decisions on personnel were a disaster in general and his players disliked him. His scheme was dinky dink on offense and went backwards every year not to mention stressing out the defense . He's not cut out out for the Pros. Colleges will be calling. I wouldn't be shocked if one already has which led to this move.

by **obiken** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:54 pm

I dont think they were a disaster some of the players were young and still not developed. I think QB was his major hurdle. He won with Vick, Sanchez, Foles, and Bradford, who could have a winning record with that group it was a miracle he won with those guys.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:12 pm

PFT reports that Kelly wants to stay in the NFL and doesn't want full personnel control now.
They suggest that he might end up in Tennessee with Mariota.

by **Uppercut** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:16 pm

And also I see Holmgren wants to coach the Niners. Will be an interesting off-season.http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25429750/report-mike-holmgren-is-interested-in-coaching-the-49ers

by **obiken** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:28 pm

Holmy is too old, there is no way you can set out for years and come back with the same fire it just doesn't happen.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:41 pm

obiken wrote:Holmy is too old, there is no way you can set out for years and come back with the same fire it just doesn't happen.

Holmgren is a weird deal. Hes lobbied for jobs that were still filled a couple of times the last few years. He publicly commented that he should have coached the Browns personally.He must still have the itch to coach. But there's no juice for him as a candidate apparently. The age thing has to be a factor. Starting a new gig and a rebuild at that at 67? I dont see it.

As for Kelley he just wasn't cut out for the NFL. Obi he shopped for the groceries the last couple of years, ran Deshaun Jackson out of town accompanied by gang allegations he leaked out to justify it. Last season was his roster entirely .Bye Bye Slim Shady, Evan Mathis, Jeremy Maclin, etc. Hello De Marco Murray,Ryan Mathews Kiko Alonzo.Hes the guy who traded for Bradford!!!! Nobody forced that on him. Result 6-10 dumpster fire and lots of players around the league that dont like or trust him

Dead Duck as the Philly headline goes. Tennessee might be dumb enough to take a flyer on him due to Mariota but it would be foolish. Hes a college guy who was in over his head

by **Zorn76** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:52 pm

Wouldn't go with Kelley if I was looking for a new HC.

Would love to see Holmgren get back into it, but he would be better off with a team that's a whole lot closer to turning it around than SF. He also (like many others) would have a Huge problem working with 35 yr old Jed York. He's a smart guy and I guess answered that question by throwing it out there that he's interested, but I don't see that relationship working at all.

Dr. John and wifey Denise need to take the team toy away from the kid. He clearly has no idea what he's doing.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:35 pm

Zorn76 wrote:Wouldn't go with Kelley if I was looking for a new HC.

Would love to see Holmgren get back into it, but he would be better off with a team that's a whole lot closer to turning it around than SF. He also (like many others) would have a Huge problem working with 35 yr old Jed York. He's a smart guy and I guess answered that question by throwing it out there that he's interested, but I don't see that relationship working at all.

Dr. John and wifey Denise need to take the team toy away from the kid. He clearly has no idea what he's doing.

You are right about the 9ers dysfunction. The unilaterally disarmed. It was awesome :lol:

They will stick with Ron Jeremy another year anyway, too stubborn to admit they are idiots yet. I'm shocked Lurie had the stones to do it in Philly.

Holmgren can coach, he always could. I'm just not sure the scenario you describe about a playoff ready team applies. Heck maybe Philly? wouldn't that be interesting?Its a relatively weak division.Dallas seat is smoking hot too and Romo is legit when healthy. Good O line, serviceable defense. That was a whisper a couple years back about that hookup and Jerruh stood pat with Garrett. Maybe the Chargers? Rivers has some gas in the tank still, I think that would be a better situation than SF.

Fun stuff to debate for sure.

by **obiken** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 12:32 am

No question HT, it make for fun debating. As a Duck alum I have a love-hate relationship with Chippy. No doubt he took our program to a higher level, but if I was Oregon media I would have torn out my hair. His no injury report policy is/was just crap. His Eastern staccato gangster speaking style, wore a little thin. Moreover, he made some B A D decisions in game. The Title game down at the goal line lets give it Barner instead Le Michael James who brung you there?? We lost the title in 2012 when we had no field goal kicker in our loss to Stanford. Sorry, we would have beaten Notre Dame no doubt.
I had no doubt going into the SB that we would beat the Broncos. Teams that run the ball and can stop the run win the title. Its named after a guy that did it as good or better than anyone. I just have serious doubts that the spread works, period. I could be wrong. Chip was never that great on the defensive side of the football. I think that Kelly believes if his offense works well no defense can stop him. I don't agree. Our losses were to teams that were hogs on the Offensive and Defensive line.
I think the days of giving a coach GM and coach ended with him. Dilfer's right, you cant do 2 jobs.

by **Hawktawk** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:29 am

Yeah OBI I agree the days of the GM/HC in the NFL should come to an end. I hear Kelley was offered the option to stay as head coach and drop the GM title an he refused. Rewind to Seahawks 2004 post season and 3 losses in 1 year to the Rams(Fn Rams) and Holmgren got the come to Jesus meeting. He dropped the ball and chain, focused on the Xs and Os and went to the SB the following year with some good draft picks at inside linebacker as well as a couple of other key Fa's in what was Ruskells first and best year as a GM. Long story long its generally a bad idea combining the responsibilities and I have no idea why teams do it.Particularly in the case of the Eagles handing over personnel control to a guy who had limited experience coaching at an elite college level much less the pros. Especially after 2 years and no playoff wins. And the guy did major damage to that roster thereafter.

I thought we could beat the Donkeys in 48 but like we did....no. Don't undersell that achievement. We really didn't run the ball very consistently throughout the game, relying more on trickery with the jet sweeps,Russ's wheels, and Turbo in garbage time making the stats look better. Beast was held under 40 yards but Russ was smoking it and that D.....We were able to bust the pick plays up and stuff the run with our front 7 and the DBs were free to hunt.The rush was bothering Peyton all night.

If we hadn't gone to that SB last year with half the defense banged up or out and then lost our nickel corner immediately after an interception it would have been a rerun. The loss of Avril was the last straw that really opened the floodgates in that 4th quarter.

I'm telling all of you...Its a tall mountain to climb to get 3 on the road in a very competitive conference but IF we do and NE does its going to be a massacre...Book it............. we will bludgeon them and make Brady look like Manning did in 2013 which was like the worst player on the field.

by **obiken** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:14 am

NO question guy, I was in Boston in March and I told Pats fans that we weren't just bunged up we were wounded. Its amazing we made the game as close as we did.

by **Hawktawk** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:18 am

obiken wrote:NO question guy, I was in Boston in March and I told Pats fans that we weren't just bunged up we were wounded. Its amazing we made the game as close as we did.

Yeah Obi Ive watched it a couple of times since. Its sad but it makes me very proud too. I can watch that game with pride. Those guys gave it all they had.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:44 am

NorthHawk wrote:PFT reports that Kelly wants to stay in the NFL and doesn't want full personnel control now.
They suggest that he might end up in Tennessee with Mariota.

The Kelly-to-the-Titans rumor has been swirling ever since their HC job opened up, but it was always framed in some sort of trade.

I really don't think Kelly gets a second NFL job and will wind up going back to the colleges, perhaps even USC. He really did some unconventional things while in Philly besides his up tempo offense, including practicing on Tuesdays. He made a number of horrendous personnel moves, including trading Shady McCoy and signing FA DeMarco Murray, releasing Pro Bowlers DeSean Jackson and Evan Mathis, trading a 2nd round pick for Bradford, etc. Some coaches, like Steve Spurrier and Lou Holtz, were born to coach in the colleges, and I think Kelly is one of those coaches.

by **Hawktawk** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:16 am

I agree RD I dont think Kelley will be a hot property as an NFL head man. The man can coach college ball for sure.Isn't the USC job filled?
Saban and Petrino were really good to great college guys who flamed out badly as well.College guys who jump with no previous NFL coaching experience are a crap shoot.
Saban rumors always swirl but teams might want to throw on some Dolphins tape before opening the checkbook.

The musical chairs are going to really crank up after next weekend.Should be entertaining.

by **Mo the Toe** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:03 am

Peter Carroll had the same problem his first time as an nfl head coach. Struggled at N.E. and went back to college and dominated and then made his Triumphant Return. Pete has admitted that he had to reevaluate himself after his first foray into the nfl. Chip might want to think about going the same route. His 5 day practice week with a full Saturday practice didn't sit well with the players. They felt their legs were tired on Sundays.

by **Hawkstar** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:14 am

Mo the Toe wrote:Peter Carroll had the same problem his first time as an nfl head coach. Struggled at N.E. and went back to college and dominated and then made his Triumphant Return. Pete has admitted that he had to reevaluate himself after his first foray into the nfl. Chip might want to think about going the same route. His 5 day practice week with a full Saturday practice didn't sit well with the players. They felt their legs were tired on Sundays.

I didnt realize he ran a full practice on Saturdays. I can't imagine that sat well with any of the players. As stated by a few others, complete control is a recipe for disaster in the NFL. Chip set the Eagles back a few seasons.

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 12:16 pm

On the radio this morning (CBS Sports) they were saying he had a meeting with ownership and came away fired because he didn't want to give up GM duties. Then after he does get fired he releases a statement saying he wants to stay in the NFL and doesn't want GM duties anymore ... I think getting sh!tcanned was an awakening.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:06 pm

Hawkstar wrote:I didnt realize he ran a full practice on Saturdays. I can't imagine that sat well with any of the players. As stated by a few others, complete control is a recipe for disaster in the NFL. Chip set the Eagles back a few seasons.

I didn't realize that, either, but it does add up. Kelly worked the tails off his players at Oregon. He wanted them in the best possible shape as he was running that up tempo offense of which one of the goals was to physically out last his opponent.

It's interesting how much dirt comes out after a head coach gets fired. The word now is that Kelly was a horrible people person. I thought he might be one of those that got axed, but Lurie didn't even wait until Black Monday.

by **obiken** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:32 pm

That is not good strategy; that means they get only Monday off.

by **obiken** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:35 pm

The Nightmare scenario is him going to USC, IF you are Fan of anyone of the other 11 Pac-12 schools.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:06 pm

obiken wrote:The Nightmare scenario is him going to USC, IF you are Fan of anyone of the other 11 Pac-12 schools.

I'm not sure how USC is going to like all the dirt that has come out about Kelly, especially since some of the dirt involves race issues. I really don't think he ends up in Troy. I don't think he gets a HC job with a top 10 program. There were rumors about him going to USC after Sark got fired, but that was before they started airing Kelly's dirty laundry.

by **Hawktawk** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:05 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:On the radio this morning (CBS Sports) they were saying he had a meeting with ownership and came away fired because he didn't want to give up GM duties. Then after he does get fired he releases a statement saying he wants to stay in the NFL and doesn't want GM duties anymore ... I think getting sh!tcanned was an awakening.

Yes Bob I'm going to guess Lure went in a little agitated and Kelley bowed his back and BOOM!!!! Thats why the players didn't get a heads up. It was a pack your stuff dont let the door hit you in the arse. Kelley really didn't have a leg to stand on. Holmgren was not a very effective GM but he was light years better than Kelley and got it yanked away.

by **depaashaas** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:43 pm

Uppercut wrote:And also I see Holmgren wants to coach the Niners. Will be an interesting off-season.http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25429750/report-mike-holmgren-is-interested-in-coaching-the-49ers

I think that quote was from last year and they shot him down or never called back and I heard him say on 950 kjr that he was fine with it and realized that this is it for him, radio and tv, this was 9 months ago or so. If he changed his stance I have not heard of it, does not mean it has not happened. The only thing that really works against him is that back at the end of the seasons of 06 and 07 he had to sit down and talk to Kathy to see if he really wanted to come back to coach one more season bla, bla, bla, etc,even while he was still under contract, not really your ideal setup for long term deal and my guess is that it is not going to be any easier at the age of 68 (next year) than what it was at the age of 59

by **obiken** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:59 pm

I'm not sure how USC is going to like all the dirt that has come out about Kelly, especially since some of the dirt involves race issues. I really don't think he ends up in Troy. I don't think he gets a HC job with a top 10 program. There were rumors about him going to USC after Sark got fired, but that was before they started airing Kelly's dirty laundry.

River I don't buy it. You remember how we went at over Blount, he saved Blount's career. He only crushed Masoli after he lied to him. Look how far down the road he went with Cliff Harris, on the whole weed issue. Not the MO of a racist.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:02 pm

I don't think he could be a racist and be a successful coach of a major college program.
The pieces just don't fit.

by **savvyman** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:45 am

Chip definitely made the NFL more interesting and I imagine there will be other NFL teams interested in his services. As far as some of the comments about his "Blunders" - - Bradford is performing significantly better than Foles (who is riding the Bench in Arizona) - - Mathis has been a disappointment for Denver - He was only in on 6 plays for Denver in their most recent must win game against Cincinnati. - Nice move by Pete & John in Not signing Mathis earlier (when I thought it was a good idea for them to do so.....)

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:10 am

I dunno Savvy. More and more players on the Eagles team are saying "about time". Of course Bradford loves him but that guy had absolutely lost the overwhelming majority of the locker room.
If he lands anywhere it will be Tennessee that makes some sense strictly because of the QB. Beyond that who will take a flyer on a guy who got fired on the spot with 1 playoff loss, 2 seasons without playoffs and a team tanking it down the stretch?
And as Lurie said the trajectory of the team was the most discouraging in his 20 plus years owning the team.

Some pundits aren't even sure Chip is going to get a top tier college gig. We shall see

by **obiken** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:43 am

Oh I don't buy that one HT, he is gold in college. IF he went to Texas, USC, or even UCLA, he would win a Natty, no doubt in my mind.

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:09 pm

obiken wrote:Oh I don't buy that one HT, he is gold in college. IF he went to Texas, USC, or even UCLA, he would win a Natty, no doubt in my mind.

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Why didn't he win a Natty at Oregon? Its been a top ten program for well over a decade? As an Oregon fan I understand you know more about him than I do and are more fond of him than most.

I dunno for sure about the Texas situation but I think USC is filled and Jim Mora is actually doing a hell of a job at UCLA turning around a doormat like he did. I dont think hes going anywhere unless the NFL comes calling for him.

My perception of Kelley is that he is a bit arrogant, not much of a magnetic personality and several players have said he was "a tyrant". That worked with college kids but doesn't cut it in the NFL.
He sounds like a younger version of Tom Coughlin who learned from his mistakes, learned to accept input from his players, and mellowed out enough to win two titles.

With Mariota in Tennessee is a super hot rumor right now. No way Mularkey stays so they will be hiring someone. It should be interesting.

by **obiken** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:21 pm

Why didn't he win a Natty at Oregon? Its been a top ten program for well over a decade? As an Oregon fan I understand you know more about him than I do and are more fond of him than most.

I dunno for sure about the Texas situation but I think USC is filled and Jim Mora is actually doing a hell of a job at UCLA turning around a doormat like he did. I dont think hes going anywhere unless the NFL comes calling for him.

My perception of Kelley is that he is a bit arrogant, not much of a magnetic personality and several players have said he was "a tyrant". That worked with college kids but doesn't cut it in the NFL.
He sounds like a younger version of Tom Coughlin who learned from his mistakes, learned to accept input from his players, and mellowed out enough to win two titles.

With Mariota in Tennessee is a super hot rumor right now. No way Mularkey stays so they will be hiring someone. It should be interesting.

Uhh Not really HT, as I said earlier that he improved us but he wore thin on me. Our Problems at Oregon are now on Defense not Offense. You can't beat the kind of recruits that they have at USC, Texas, or UCLA. He was going with 3 and 4 star linemen at Oregon. What was Brandon Bair, a converted TE. We Have never had the kind of Lineman on either side of ball that SEC schools have. Can you imagine IF we had the kind of blocking with Mariota that Alabama has every year? IF he fails at the NFL UCLA would be perfect, Mora's coaching rating has gone in the toilet with the kind of talent that he has there.

by **RiverDog** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:10 am

No one said that Kelly was a racist, even his most vocal critics and certainly not me. The dirt is that he doesn't connect well with blacks, doesn't feel comfortable around them.

FYI I understand that USC has given their HC job to the guy that was the interim coach. I'm not sure how many other HC jobs in the Pac 12 are open.

There really hasn't been a lot of college coaches that were successful in the NFL. Pete is one of the few, along with Hairball.

by **c_hawkbob** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:24 am

No one here may have said it but it has certainly been said.

by **NorthHawk** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:47 am

RiverDog wrote:No one said that Kelly was a racist, even his most vocal critics and certainly not me. The dirt is that he doesn't connect well with blacks, doesn't feel comfortable around them.

FYI I understand that USC has given their HC job to the guy that was the interim coach. I'm not sure how many other HC jobs in the Pac 12 are open.

There really hasn't been a lot of college coaches that were successful in the NFL. Pete is one of the few, along with Hairball.

Don't a lot of coaches have coaching roots in the College game?
Carroll, two Harbaughs, and Coughlin immediately come to mind.

by **Hawktawk** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:50 am

Kelley isn't a racist, hes a goody two shoes, Mr clean cut. He was uncomfortable around the more edgy inner city rebel players.Unfortunately for him they are some of the best players in the league.
He wouldn't have lasted a week with Beast Mode. I wonder how he would do with a loquacious guy like Sherman, honestly, because Sherm speaks his mind as we know.

by **NorthHawk** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:01 pm

Hawktawk wrote:Kelley isn't a racist, hes a goody two shoes, Mr clean cut. He was uncomfortable around the more edgy inner city rebel players.Unfortunately for him they are some of the best players in the league.
He wouldn't have lasted a week with Beast Mode. I wonder how he would do with a loquacious guy like Sherman, honestly, because Sherm speaks his mind as we know.

I don't think he'd have a problem with Sherman.
Sherman is exceedingly intelligent, works his butt off, understands his and others roles within the Defense, understands what opposing Offenses are trying to do and does everything he can to win. When was the last time he made any negative or inflammatory comments about the team? Any problems he might have are kept in house, and with his ability to talk intelligently, I think he would get his point across and have a good relationship with most coaches.

by **obiken** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:11 pm

HT very few successful College Head coaches transition to the NFL very well. Johnson, and PC are the only two I can think of.

by **NorthHawk** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:48 pm

Coughlin with 2 SB wins and The Harbaughs. Not sure if Jim can be included with the goings on in SF, but he did make an impact and might still be coaching with more supportive management.

by **obiken** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:10 pm

Ok, that's too more.

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