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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby obiken » Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:46 pm

NorthHawk wrote:A year younger and has played in a pro offense with similar QB responsibilities to what he’ll see in the NFL.


What I saw with Hooker is a good kid, mature, who made plays. Levis I saw a 2 bit egomaniac with big muscles and a gun an arm, ala Jeff George. And these people get paid for this crap??
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:06 pm

The only thing I would worry about with levis working out is if it affects his ability to rotate his torso when throwing.
He's a workout fiend, and is in the weight room with his Offensive Linemen and DL as well. Older players will respect his work ethic and appreciate he's trying his best to help them succeed.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby Aseahawkfan » Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:10 pm

RiverDog wrote:I wanted a fat boy in the 2nd.


I wanted a fat boy in the 1st. But Pete and John running the show. We see how it works out.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby govandals » Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:14 pm

obiken wrote:
Can someone please tell me why Levis was a better prospect than Hooker??


Hooker is not a pro style qb at all. At least not right now. Josh Heupel's pace and space offense (scheming WR's open, half field reads, getting reads from the sideline pre-snap) does a good job of helping Hooker put up crazy numbers but none of it translates to what NFL offenses do. Go watch some Tennessee games and watch Hooker stare down his targets. That won't work in the NFL. He is a project right now. His age and the ACL injury don't help either.

Levis, on the other hand, played in a pro style offense for 2 years. He was not spoonfed like Hooker was. He has all the physical tools, he is a plus athlete. He is ready to start right now.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby govandals » Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:18 pm

obiken wrote: Levis I saw a 2 bit egomaniac


Just curious, what makes you say that? I see a confident fellow in Levis but certainly not an egomaniac.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby govandals » Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:24 pm

Yup, I agree on Fat guys. Hopefully we get a 2 or 3 tomorrow.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:37 pm

Here’s a link to most of the remaining players. Thy are ranked according to the authors opinion.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb ... r-AA1av5QL
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby obiken » Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:34 pm

govandals wrote:Just curious, what makes you say that? I see a confident fellow in Levis but certainly not an egomaniac.


The bared muscle shirt, some of the comments. This why he dropped, I see bust all over this guy.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby obiken » Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:39 pm

govandals wrote:Yup, I agree on Fat guys. Hopefully we get a 2 or 3 tomorrow.


The problem Govey is that their is only one potential starter left on the board, the kid from Miss. The rest are projects. Anyone scored below a 6 even Cbob's guy from WK, are projected as good backups at best. Yeah I know, John Randle was an undrafted FA, but PC cant find a DT if it was in front of his nose, no way he gets one on day 3 that is a starter.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby obiken » Fri Apr 28, 2023 11:24 pm

govandals wrote:Just curious, what makes you say that? I see a confident fellow in Levis but certainly not an egomaniac.


The surprising thing on this guy G, is going to the Titans. BTW Bucky Brooks, Kiper, Cowherd, all agree with you. I dont wish the kid any ill will, I hope they all make it. However, suppose you and everyone else is right, I thought this kid had Raider written all over him. Why didnt they make this move???
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby Aseahawkfan » Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:23 am

Hard to find good fat boys in the 4th round or later. 4th round or later are mostly projects. They would have had a better chance finding a decent RB in the 4th round or later since there are so many.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby govandals » Sat Apr 29, 2023 3:11 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:Hard to find good fat boys in the 4th round or later. 4th round or later are mostly projects. They would have had a better chance finding a decent RB in the 4th round or later since there are so many.


Yeah, I'm a little surprised they took a RB so high with the needs on both interior lines, they are many RB's later on that would have fit the bill IMO.

Still some good depth at G left, Bradford, McFadden, Ekiyor off the top of my head.

On D line, Jacqulin Roy is still there. I like him a lot, I wanted to put him in my mock but didn't because of his short arms, but we took a CB with 31" arms so who knows. Coburn and Clark still available too
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby govandals » Sat Apr 29, 2023 3:14 am

obiken wrote:
The bared muscle shirt, some of the comments. This why he dropped, I see bust all over this guy.


Eh, all the young kids take pics of themselves like that nowadays. I wouldn't be too concerned.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby RiverDog » Sat Apr 29, 2023 4:41 am

govandals wrote:Just curious, what makes you say that? I see a confident fellow in Levis but certainly not an egomaniac.


obiken wrote:The bared muscle shirt, some of the comments. This why he dropped, I see bust all over this guy.


Yeah, it's a different day and age, Obi. Most likely, it was the concern about his toe injury. He's in a good spot, though, as he won't have to play in his first season.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby RiverDog » Sat Apr 29, 2023 5:04 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:Hard to find good fat boys in the 4th round or later. 4th round or later are mostly projects. They would have had a better chance finding a decent RB in the 4th round or later since there are so many.


govandals wrote:Yeah, I'm a little surprised they took a RB so high with the needs on both interior lines, they are many RB's later on that would have fit the bill IMO.

Still some good depth at G left, Bradford, McFadden, Ekiyor off the top of my head.

On D line, Jacqulin Roy is still there. I like him a lot, I wanted to put him in my mock but didn't because of his short arms, but we took a CB with 31" arms so who knows. Coburn and Clark still available too


But there's not many centers, and we don't pick again until #21 in the 4th. We missed a big opportunity by not taking Schmitz, very similar to what we did when we bypassed Creed Humphrey to take Dee Eskridge a couple years ago.

Currently, we have just one center on the roster, Evan Brown, a journeyman UDFA who has bounced around with 4 teams in 5 seasons and has never won a starting position outright. I guess the plan must be for Pete to step to the center of the practice field and yell "Next man up!"

This team is very weak up the middle of both lines. All we're doing is addressing the fringes, ie CB, WR, OLB, and RB. I'm pretty disappointed.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby Aseahawkfan » Sat Apr 29, 2023 5:50 am

Devon Witherspoon is a crazy player. That dude is super aggressive. He challenges everything. He wants to mix it up. I really like that pick. His highlights look like a Legion player mentality.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby RiverDog » Sat Apr 29, 2023 5:55 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:Devon Witherspoon is a crazy player. That dude is super aggressive. He challenges everything. He wants to mix it up. I really like that pick. His highlights look like a Legion player mentality.


I liked that pick, too, and I could be talked into liking our 2nd and 3rd picks. But we still have huge holes in the center of both lines, not to mention the lack of a QBOTF.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby NorthHawk » Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:41 am

Some possible picks for the LoS

Adetomiwa Adebawore, DL, Northwestern
Dawand Jones, OL, Ohio State
Jaelyn Duncan, OL, Maryland
Blake Freeland, OL, BYU
Luke Wypler, OL, Ohio State (Played Center at Ohio St.)
Karl Brooks, DT, Bowling Green
Chandler Zavala, G, North Carolina State
Keondre Coburn, DT, Texas
Nick Saldiveri, OL, Old Dominion
Warren McClendon, OL, Georgia
Carter Warren, OL, Pittsburgh
Olusegun Oluwatimi, C, Michigan
Jalen Redmond, DL, Oklahoma
Jaquelin Roy, DT, LSU
Jarrett Patterson, OL, Notre Dame (Played Center)
Isaiah McGuire, DL, Missouri
Cory Durden, DT, North Carolina State
Braeden Daniels, OL, Utah
Emil Ekiyor, OL, Alabama

Of these, I like the following:
Adetomiwa Adebawore, DL, Northwestern
Luke Wypler, OL, Ohio State (Played Center at Ohio St.) He might be the best fit for our Offense of all of the Centers in the draft.
Chandler Zavala, G, North Carolina State
Keondre Coburn, DT, Texas He was very tough up the middle against the run and has some push in the pass rush.
Olusegun Oluwatimi, C, Michigan He got an award for being the best Center and he's shorter like Pete said he wanted
Jaquelin Roy, DT, LSU Another guy like Coburn
Jarrett Patterson, OL, Notre Dame (Played Center) He's projected to be a Guard in the NFL, but he has Center experience
Emil Ekiyor, OL, Alabama Really powerful Guard

If we can come out of the draft with 2 or 3 of these I would be happy.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby RiverDog » Sat Apr 29, 2023 7:56 am

I like the center out of Michigan, Olusegun Oluwatimi (try saying that name 3 times as fast as you can). He started out at the Air Force academy but didn't play, transferred to Virginia where he started in 32 consecutive games before transferring to Michigan for his senior season where he won both the Outland and Rimington trophies. In total, he has 45 career starts at FBS schools. He graduated from Virginia in 4 years with a degree in economics, and along with the fact that they don't enroll dummies at the AF academy, we know that he has some smarts, a necessary ingredient for a successful center.

He's not the best prospect out there but at this point, he's probably the best we can do.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby NorthHawk » Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:23 am

RiverDog wrote:I like the center out of Michigan, Olusegun Oluwatimi (try saying that name 3 times as fast as you can). He started out at the Air Force academy but didn't play, transferred to Virginia where he started in 32 consecutive games before transferring to Michigan for his senior season where he won both the Outland and Rimington trophies. In total, he has 45 career starts at FBS schools. He graduated from Virginia in 4 years with a degree in economics, and along with the fact that they don't enroll dummies at the AF academy, we know that he has some smarts, a necessary ingredient for a successful center.

He's not the best prospect out there but at this point, he's probably the best we can do.


Him and Wypler. Wypler is a former wrestler and is very quick which is something that Pete talked about in a Center, but for me, either one would do.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:27 am

Finally!! Bradford's a good one too guys! He's a monster (6'5, 332) that runs a 5.08 40, absolutely explodes off the line!
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby obiken » Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:40 am

Those Panther heads gotta go! Lol
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby obiken » Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:42 am

c_hawkbob wrote:Finally!! Bradford's a good one too guys! He's a monster (6'5, 332) that runs a 5.08 40, absolutely explodes off the line!


He can play multiple positions.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby govandals » Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:44 am

Regarding Evan Brown, both Pete and John have said "he's a center". I'm sure they penciled him into a starting role, as they are certainly not forcing anything at the position. There are a few centers I sure would have liked in this draft but can't say I'm too surprised after the way Pete and John talked about him. A lot of Lions fans were disappointed he left, said he is a good player. Looks like we are going to find out just how good he is this year.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:57 am

c_hawkbob wrote:Finally!! Bradford's a good one too guys! He's a monster (6'5, 332) that runs a 5.08 40, absolutely explodes off the line!

obiken wrote:He can play multiple positions.

Guard and tackle (left Tackle at that) but I'm pretty sure he's a guard for us.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:59 am

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Love the Anthony Bradford pick for the #Seahawks. Gave him a high third round grade and well above players like O'Cyrus Torrence. Explosive tester, fantastic 5.08 forty for 332lbs. Great athlete. Tape very good. Has a chance to be a long-term starter.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:08 am

And then we go run stopper in the middle of the D-line!

NFL Draft Prospect Breakdown: Cameron Young
Draft Scouting Report:

Rating: 68.60 (Role player)

Pro Comparison: Kawann Short

Summary:

Cameron Young is at his best vs. the run. He consistently plays with leverage, uses his hands well, and has a knack for plugging up the interior. He doesn't add much against the pass -- he's essentially a two-down player -- and that will factor into where NFL teams have him on their boards.

Strengths:

Surprisingly long frame -- thick but not fat -- looks athletic on eye test
Can collapse pocket with power
Can shed run blocks and contribute in run support
Has knack for stunting to ball and making wrap-up tackles
Uses hands well when he needs to disengage; can do it quickly to get into backfield

Weaknesses:

Doesn't add much in the pass game
Almost plays a read-and-react interior DL; he'll stand up iOL with eyes in backfield looking to shed one way or another. Would like to see him play more proactively

Combine Results:

40-Yard Dash: 5.1 seconds


I'm feeling a whole lot better about this draft!
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby HawkSis » Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:14 am

While it took until day 3 to draft fat, I like the two Hoss’s they took today. I LOVE THIS DRAFT!
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby NorthHawk » Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:23 am

govandals wrote:Regarding Evan Brown, both Pete and John have said "he's a center". I'm sure they penciled him into a starting role, as they are certainly not forcing anything at the position. There are a few centers I sure would have liked in this draft but can't say I'm too surprised after the way Pete and John talked about him. A lot of Lions fans were disappointed he left, said he is a good player. Looks like we are going to find out just how good he is this year.


I just hope he’s not BJ Finney part deux. If he is, we’re in trouble.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:40 am

I hope not either, but I read where Finney had something related contract wise where he was advised to not workout. I need to run down that article.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:46 am

https://www.fieldgulls.com/platform/amp ... als-dunlap

He opted not to workout outside of team facilities as it would constant a non football injury if injured himself away from the team. Kind of lame; he probably should have, but he didn’t. He only lasted one more season in the NFL.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:47 am

To the draft; they came back swinging this round. To fat boys from each side of the LOS. Power run blocker and a legit nose tackle and both played in the SEC. I’m happy.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby RiverDog » Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:56 am

govandals wrote:Regarding Evan Brown, both Pete and John have said "he's a center". I'm sure they penciled him into a starting role, as they are certainly not forcing anything at the position. There are a few centers I sure would have liked in this draft but can't say I'm too surprised after the way Pete and John talked about him. A lot of Lions fans were disappointed he left, said he is a good player. Looks like we are going to find out just how good he is this year.


Brown has bounced around, went undrafted in 2018 then signed by the Giants, cut then signed to their practice squad, signed by the Dolphins then released a year later, signed by the Browns and plays 17 special teams snaps then released mid-season, then signs with the Lions but never plays well enough to win a starting job and gets 12 starts due to injuries. That's not a track record that would justify anyone penciling him in as a starter.

But who knows. Maybe they've found a diamond in the rough.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby NorthHawk » Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:20 am

How many good decisions at Center have they made during their tenure?
They inherited Unger and it’s been a scat show ever since they traded him away.
I have very little confidence they can find a solid starter who will last more than 1 contract.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby NorthHawk » Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:23 am

MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:To the draft; they came back swinging this round. To fat boys from each side of the LOS. Power run blocker and a legit nose tackle and both played in the SEC. I’m happy.


Cameron Young at Miss. State played in a lot of 3-3-5 defenses at NT. We did that more than a few times last year so he should know how it works.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:33 am

Mike Morris
Draft Scouting Report:

Rating: 72.90 (Chance to start)

Pro Comparison: Dean Lowry

Summary:

Mike Morris is an oversized edge rusher with a defensive lineman body. His bulky frame and natural power make him a sturdy edge-setting option. There's deceptive initial juice to his game. He has a swim move, but hands must get more effective. He doesn't have quite enough overall speed or bend to get to the quarterback in a hurry, and he's not quite low/compact enough to routinely win inside. He's a unique, legit tweener prospect who could make his living as an inside nickel rusher in the NFL.

Strengths:

Imposing size and power at the point of attack, will move blockers
Has some first-step quickness to threaten offensive tackles and many guards
Flashed a nice swim move
Legitimate versatility

Weaknesses:

Pass-rush-move arsenal needs diversifying
Tweener without a true position
May not have enough burst and closing speed to win fast enough in the NFL

Combine Results:

40-Yard Dash: 4.95 seconds
Vertical: 28.5 inches
Broad Jump: 9 feet, 2 inches
Bench Press: 22 reps


Another solid D-lineman, for an End he's better setting the edge against the run than rushing the pass, but with his size and speed there is a TON for the coaches to work with!
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:40 am

NorthHawk wrote:Cameron Young at Miss. State played in a lot of 3-3-5 defenses at NT. We did that more than a few times last year so he should know how it works.


Oh I know. That’s my alma mater. Arnett is the DC and he ran a 3-3-5 at NMSt and runs it at MSSt.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:41 am

Aaaand there's our Center!

Day 3 is making me a whole lot happier with our days 1 & 2!
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:44 am

c_hawkbob wrote:Aaaand there's our Center!

Day 3 is making me a whole lot happier with our days 1 & 2!


Crazy we got a center who played center his whole college career and he was finalist and then an award winner for nations top center in the 5th round
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:46 am

c_hawkbob wrote:Aaaand there's our Center!

Day 3 is making me a whole lot happier with our days 1 & 2!

MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:Crazy we got a center who played center his whole college career and he was finalist and then an award winner for nations top center in the 5th round


Seriously!

Olusegun Oluwatimi IOL, MICH
Height: 6-3, Weight: 309

Draft crush of mine. Doesn't blow you away athletically but is incredibly strong and possesses an unshakable equilibrium. Immovable. Angle/leverage blocker. Good length. Extensive experience. Instant starter. (Chris Trapasso)
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