Free Agency/Trades

[I-5]

I honestly don’t understand why Seahawks would let Penny walk if the offer from Philly is that low. Even if he didn’t play the whole year, the production he showed when healthy is well worth the minimal cost.

[Aseahawkfan]

I honestly don’t understand why Seahawks would let Penny walk if the offer from Philly is that low. Even if he didn’t play the whole year, the production he showed when healthy is well worth the minimal cost.

No, it wasn't. Getting hurt when you're needed in the playoffs is seriously problematic. Seahawks no longer want that risk or that problem. They gave him 5 years. That was plenty. Not sure why you think otherwise.

[govandals]

I'm really bummed about losing Homer, really nice 3rd down back, great on special teams and it felt like Pete really liked him. 4.5 million for 2 years is a little steep though. I'd bet we draft 2 RBs now. (Although I would not mind Jamal Williams from the Lions, I think he is still unsigned, but I doubt Pete goes that direction)

[Hawktawk]

I honestly don’t understand why Seahawks would let Penny walk if the offer from Philly is that low. Even if he didn’t play the whole year, the production he showed when healthy is well worth the minimal cost.

My guess was it’s Pennys call. Nothing but bad luck , people calling him a lazy zero talent bum for being hurt . Then he’s all world for 11 games straight and 3 guys land on his leg and it’s “ see I told you so! Beyond that he’s made clear he’s a feature back that can’t get going on a carry here and there in his presser after 21. He sees Walker is the guy . Last but not least he goes to a team a few plays and a flag from a Lombardi with an extremely dynamic running QB, great line. He may surprise some people who are saying good riddance . In his 11 starts he was over 1k yards with 8 or 9 TDs.

Injuries are a concern for Walker too as he missed critical stretches and even disappeared in the second half of the WC. We will miss Homer on ST. He was light to run the ball consistently , injury prone . Dee Jay is a good not great back , not dynamic enough . We need help at the position. .

[NorthHawk]

Injuries are always a concern and it's why we should draft another top RB. Splitting the reps can keep both healthy and with the season now 17 games with an Offense where the run game is critical to its success, it's really important to have someone to share the load in a meaningful way.

[Hawktawk]

Injuries are always a concern and it's why we should draft another top RB. Splitting the reps can keep both healthy and with the season now 17 games with an Offense where the run game is critical to its success, it's really important to have someone to share the load in a meaningful way.

Had Penny stayed healthy we could have had a frightening run game . After Pennys game vs Detroit I read an analysis calling him the most dangerous back in the NFL. His north south style would have been the perfect compliment and change up. Oh well it’s and buts . But I agree you need at least 2, maybe 3 guys that can put up yards . After penny got hurt we had 1 then he was hurt along with Dee Jay so we’re starting Homer . We need help.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Making we want to trade down even more. Maybe pickup Bijan Robinson middle of the first.

I still would rather have had Penny, but I tend to want to hold on to everybody. Still have to trust our FO will get the players we need.

[Hawktawk]

Making we want to trade down even more. Maybe pickup Bijan Robinson middle of the first.

I still would rather have had Penny, but I tend to want to hold on to everybody. Still have to trust our FO will get the players we need.

There was something worth wanting to hang on to . If he was a 4ypc guy he’d have been done long ago . But he averaged 7.1 his last 5 games of 21. His last complete game as a Seahawk was a thing of beauty vs the lions housing it on an audible on 3rd and 18.

Mike Salk is bummed . He things Penny could lead the league in rushing in Philly .

[Hawktawk]

Just heard rumors Rogers to jets is a done deal . Also Lamar Jackson may be 9ers bound and not sure how to feel about that . Scared a little .

[TriCitySam]

I think its a great pickup Riv, but 51 million is a little steep.

As we know, those first numbers can be deceiving. I think I read his cap hit is just over $10MM for '23, which makes this a pretty friendly deal. You get Geno and Jones for a $20MM cap hit, I think we would have flipped cart wheels a month ago if we thought that could happen.

[NorthHawk]

The $51M includes all bonuses and such. It's not as large as it appears like Genos contract isn't $105M either.

[NorthHawk]

Just heard rumors Rogers to jets is a done deal . Also Lamar Jackson may be 9ers bound and not sure how to feel about that . Scared a little .

I heard the Jackson to SF rumor yesterday and just dismissed it. I don't see how they could pay him about $50M per year and keep the players they currently have especially on Defense not to mention Deebo and others.

[TriCitySam]

There was something worth wanting to hang on to . If he was a 4ypc guy he’d have been done long ago . But he averaged 7.1 his last 5 games of 21. His last complete game as a Seahawk was a thing of beauty vs the lions housing it on an audible on 3rd and 18.

Mike Salk is bummed . He things Penny could lead the league in rushing in Philly .

If Salk is bummed, then his leaving must be OK. We saw Penny's talent, but over his career he missed 1/2 his starts due to injuries. Unlikely that changes. Even at a cheap number, you want a back that can finish a game. There is some talent in the lower rounds - Chase Brown will be down the line a ways, but is 5'10 and 215 with a 4.43. Charbonnet is big 6' 210 and ran a 4.54 likely late 2nd or 3rd.

[Stream Hawk]

Just heard rumors Rogers to jets is a done deal . Also Lamar Jackson may be 9ers bound and not sure how to feel about that . Scared a little .

I would be done if Lamar goes to SF. There would be something extremely unfair or illegal about that.

[NorthHawk]

It would probably be like the Rams and be a one and rebuild philosophy because there's too much salary to push down the road with all of the real good players on that team.

[I-5]

No, it wasn't. Getting hurt when you're needed in the playoffs is seriously problematic. Seahawks no longer want that risk or that problem. They gave him 5 years. That was plenty. Not sure why you think otherwise.

There simply is no way to know how a player will be in terms of injuries. CMC is always hurt, yet he contributed greatly to SF's run. You never know. At that price, he would be well worth the risk to me. But maybe HT is right, it was Penny's choice.

[Aseahawkfan]

There simply is no way to know how a player will be in terms of injuries. CMC is always hurt, yet he contributed greatly to SF's run. You never know. At that price, he would be well worth the risk to me. But maybe HT is right, it was Penny's choice.

That's why they gave Penney 5 years. Every chance to get healthy and produce. You reached a point where you've given a player every opportunity to get going and then you let him move on, see if he can salvage something somewhere else.

[RiverDog]

There simply is no way to know how a player will be in terms of injuries. CMC is always hurt, yet he contributed greatly to SF's run. You never know. At that price, he would be well worth the risk to me. But maybe HT is right, it was Penny's choice.

That's why they gave Penney 5 years. Every chance to get healthy and produce. You reached a point where you've given a player every opportunity to get going and then you let him move on, see if he can salvage something somewhere else.

Keep in mind that it wasn't just fluke, freakish injuries that haunted Penny or that he was simply the victim of bad luck. He also had some instances of muscle strains, which many times can be attributed to a lack of conditioning. Heck, he couldn't even participate in OTA's one season due to a muscle pull. Those types of injuries, while not predictable, are preventable.

I'm not sure why we didn't put more effort into retaining Penny. He might have had better offers from us and/or other teams and decided to go with the Eagles so he could have a shot at playing in a Super Bowl. Heck, Homer landed a far more lucrative contract than Penny signed with the Eagles.

And BTW, it's good to see you back, I-5!

[I-5]

I think it's fair to call out conditioning when it comes to injuries like strains or pulls that Penny has suffered. But when you're on the bottom of a pile and monsters are falling on top of your leg, I don't know how much conditioning can save you. I'd say it's fair to say Penny has been a mix of both. In 5 years, he didn't play nearly enough, but when he did play, he was quite effective, and more recently a game breaker type of back. I'll be happy for him if he puts it together for Philly, if at our expense.

Thanks Riv! I'm kind of sporadic on here, I know.

[NorthHawk]

The bottle line is Penny failed tha availability question on his job evaluation.
Sometimes players move on and never have problems again. I hope he gets that chance to show his ability for a whole year.

[RiverDog]

I think it's fair to call out conditioning when it comes to injuries like strains or pulls that Penny has suffered. But when you're on the bottom of a pile and monsters are falling on top of your leg, I don't know how much conditioning can save you. I'd say it's fair to say Penny has been a mix of both. In 5 years, he didn't play nearly enough, but when he did play, he was quite effective, and more recently a game breaker type of back. I'll be happy for him if he puts it together for Philly, if at our expense.

Thanks Riv! I'm kind of sporadic on here, I know.

There's no doubt that conditioning can't save you from the pile of monsters piling on your leg. That's a risk inherent with the position, and one of the primary reasons why I don't like seeing us burn a high draft pick on a running back. But when you combine that risk with the preventable injuries, the result is a player participating in barely half of those games that were available to him as was the case with Penny.

[Aseahawkfan]

We gave Penny 5 years and millions of dollars. We took our shot on Penny due to his immense talent when on the field. Now the Eagles can take their shot. Good for them if he works out. We put our time, money, and effort in letting Penny show his talent.

[NorthHawk]

The Seahawks are supposed to be hosting LB Devin Bush and S Julian Love.
Some of the Steeler fans think Bush is horrible calling him Devin Bust and saying things like he's worse than Cody Barton. But we do need ILB's with Brooks recovering from his ACL tear and Barton gone along with Muse being released.
It's interesting that they are hosting a S considering the money we have on the table at the moment. Maybe Adams isn't recovering well from his injury?

[Hawktawk]

The Seahawks are supposed to be hosting LB Devin Bush and S Julian Love.
Some of the Steeler fans think Bush is horrible calling him Devin Bust and saying things like he's worse than Cody Barton. But we do need ILB's with Brooks recovering from his ACL tear and Barton gone along with Muse being released.
It's interesting that they are hosting a S considering the money we have on the table at the moment. Maybe Adams isn't recovering well from his injury?

Jamal Adams was filmed walking with a distinct limp recently. As horrific as the injury was he may be *recovered* at some point but maybe never the same. For all his detractors it was Adams speed and explosiveness that made him special. I see no way hes ready for the season and in fact Pete had said he would need all this off season at least . Neal's decent but not top shelf by any means. Pete's defense is based on outstanding safety play which is why they reached for Adams to begin with,

[NorthHawk]

It's not Pete's defense any more. He ran a 4-3 Under and we are now using a 3-4. Different responsibilities for DBs and Safeties.
Adams was an OK tackler but has average coverage and ball skills which are more in demand in a 3-4. He is more hype than production.
But I hope he fully heals so he can have a very good life after football whenever that may be.

[RiverDog]

It's not Pete's defense any more. He ran a 4-3 Under and we are now using a 3-4. Different responsibilities for DBs and Safeties.
Adams was an OK tackler but has average coverage and ball skills which are more in demand in a 3-4. He is more hype than production.
But I hope he fully heals so he can have a very good life after football whenever that may be.

That's a good point about the fact that our defense isn't the same as the one when Adams was traded for.

It's too bad that Adams's recovery might be behind schedule, and I certainly don't want to wish him anything less than a full and speedy rebound from his injury. From all accounts, he's a very good teammate and one of the players that others look up to. But it could be a blessing in disguise as it could force Pete's hand. Adams is extremely expensive and wasn't contributing as expected even when he was healthy, and our defense might be better without him.

[Stream Hawk]

We signed C/G Evan Brown from Detroit. Don't know much about him, and heard mixed reactions so far. He started most games as G last year, and C the year before. Hoping he's a road grader, but PC/JS have been pretty bad at prioritizing the C/G position.

[c_hawkbob]

He's at least another big body for our interior line. He's young (26) and has worked his way from going undrafted to starting more games than not the last couple years. I like the signing, even if he winds up a camp body.

[NorthHawk]

It gives them flexibility in the draft such that should they be planning to take a C at 20, but a player unexpectedly falls, the can go for that player and hope that he’s still available with their 2nd round pick and maybe take their 2nd choice then if he’s gone.

Waldron comes from the McVay tree and they have smaller G’s at around 300Lbs so it might be that Waldron is forging his own variant of that Offense considering Lewis is also 325Lbs.

[c_hawkbob]

Bringing Drew Lock back at up to $7.5M. Evidently Pete really did like our QB room.

[c_hawkbob]

Hmmm, haven't had a double post in quite some time.

[NorthHawk]

One year @ $7.5M?
Why so much? He only made $7M or thereabouts in the first 4 years.
Probably another instance of overpaying for our own players to be a backup.
I suppose the terms might show something different.

[c_hawkbob]

"Up to", I think it's likely half incentives.

[Agent 86]

Bringing Drew Lock back at up to $7.5M. Evidently Pete really did like our QB room.

Excellent news! I liked what I saw out of Lock last year in pre season in terms of raw talent. If Geno goes down, he at least seems like he could take over for a few games and be serviceable. Nice he knows the offense too. He just made some real bonehead throws ending up in INT's that looked awful.

Read it is a $4 million dollar deal for 1 year, and he could earn up to $7.5 million in incentives.

[RiverDog]

He just made some real bonehead throws ending up in INT's that looked awful.

The problem is that it's those real bonehead throws that cost him his job in Denver and the reason why the Broncos tossed him in on the Russell trade.

[Hawktawk]

He just made some real bonehead throws ending up in INT's that looked awful.[/
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The problem is that it's those real bonehead throws that cost him his job in Denver and the reason why the Broncos tossed him in on the Russell trade.

Geno once threw 4 picks in 8 passes . He was at best a pick per TD guy in NY.

Drew had something like 4 offenses in Denver , 2 head coaches . He won 4 of 5 to end his rookie campaign and the coach was fired .

He had an uphill climb in Seattle . According to Schneider Pete and staff had a bead on Geno from the first day as a guy who could start . Schneider discussed the 13 quarters he and I and Pete were the only ones paying attention that was further confirmation . Then Drew had no luck with covid . Anyone who thinks his performance a week later was not influenced by that hasn’t had the crap.

Long point longer Pete praised Drew all season “ nipping at Genos heels “ swag moments in practice “
I’m glad he’s back in this system . Beyond the chance Geno morphs into Blake Bortles he could God forbid get hurt too . Glad Drew is back . Maybe he can be the next Geno .

[NorthHawk]

They clearly don't think either QB on the roster is the long term answer with the signings being for only a few years for Geno and 1 year for Lock. QB at 5 is still a strong possibility.
I still don't get why they would add $3M to Lock's salary ($1M to $4M or more) without expecting him to play.

We signed a LB in Devin Bush. He looked good coming out of college but after his ACL he wasn't the same player. In reading comments from some Steeler fans they seem to think that he now avoids contact. Perhaps a change of scenery will give him a fresh start. So we are currently short 2 ILBs at the moment after losing Barton and Muse and Brooks might not be ready for the year. Maybe someone in the draft will be there, but it does fill some of the void.

[c_hawkbob]

Signed Devin Bush last night. Steelers former first round draft pick on whom they declined the 5th year option. Had ACL surgery a couple years ago.

[obiken]

The problem is that it's those real bonehead throws that cost him his job in Denver and the reason why the Broncos tossed him in on the Russell trade.

Thats it I am NOT a Drew Lock fan at all.

[obiken]

Jamal Adams was filmed walking with a distinct limp recently. As horrific as the injury was he may be *recovered* at some point but maybe never the same. For all his detractors it was Adams speed and explosiveness that made him special. I see no way hes ready for the season and in fact Pete had said he would need all this off season at least . Neal's decent but not top shelf by any means. Pete's defense is based on outstanding safety play which is why they reached for Adams to begin with,

JA is a bust, we got took by the Jets, they saw Pete coming and that is not Jamal's fault, but we need to move on.