Gruden

[jshawaii22]

Interesting point is that IF (it probably won't) the case get to court, the fact that he 'resigned' on National TV, without accusing the team or NFL of any wrongdoing might come back to bite him down the road. If he was forced out, he should of let the team fire him for 'cause'.

I'd love to be one of the dozens of lawyers that will lining up to depose (at least) the Commish and the Raiders' boy owner and probably Grudens buddy GM Mayock about any conversations during the weeks preceding the leak and the day in court when Gruden's lawyers ask for the 650,000 emails and access to all the current NFL's and team servers for the emails/texts to do with discussions about Gruden as part of 'Discovery' --

And in a commentary that is OT: this may become as interesting as Trump's loyal team vs the 1 vote Democratic controlled House and their 'subcommittee'. Will they all go to jail for him? Will the Supreme Court get involved -- This is so similar in many ways to Nixon back in the day.

[RiverDog]

Interesting point is that IF (it probably won't) the case get to court, the fact that he 'resigned' on National TV, without accusing the team or NFL of any wrongdoing might come back to bite him down the road. If he was forced out, he should of let the team fire him for 'cause'.

I'd love to be one of the dozens of lawyers that will lining up to depose (at least) the Commish and the Raiders' boy owner and probably Grudens buddy GM Mayock about any conversations during the weeks preceding the leak and the day in court when Gruden's lawyers ask for the 650,000 emails and access to all the current NFL's and team servers for the emails/texts to do with discussions about Gruden as part of 'Discovery' --

And in a commentary that is OT: this may become as interesting as Trump's loyal team vs the 1 vote Democratic controlled House and their 'subcommittee'. Will they all go to jail for him? Will the Supreme Court get involved -- This is so similar in many ways to Nixon back in the day.

I can see the relevance of a request for the 650k emails from the WFT as they are central to the Gruden case, but how could anyone justify going into the other 31 team's emails when they weren't part of the investigation that led to Gruden's departure?

IMO the court has the right to see everything that was presented to the league during the WFT investigation of which ensnared Gruden in order to determine if he was treated fairly or not. But what relevance does a conversation between Mark Davis and Jerry Jones have to do with Gruden if it wasn't anything that the league knew about?

[jshawaii22]

RD, If there's no relevance there would be nothing to depose. But certainly if there were emails/texts between the NFL and the Raider ownership and/or others (like Jeff Pash) that disclosed or discussed specific emails or the leaking of said emails, that would be relevant to JG's potential case. What exactly that smoking gun is, I don't know, but that's what discovery is for. Some judges don't allow 'fishing expeditions' so I would assume JG would need a spy or other person on the inside to help him. He had a lot of friends in the NFL. It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't already have that in his possession and hence the decision to sue.

[RiverDog]

RD, If there's no relevance there would be nothing to depose. But certainly if there were emails/texts between the NFL and the Raider ownership and/or others (like Jeff Pash) that disclosed or discussed specific emails or the leaking of said emails, that would be relevant to JG's potential case. What exactly that smoking gun is, I don't know, but that's what discovery is for. Some judges don't allow 'fishing expeditions' so I would assume JG would need a spy or other person on the inside to help him. He had a lot of friends in the NFL. It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't already have that in his possession and hence the decision to sue.

The defendants in this case are the NFL and Roger Goodell, not the Raiders. What ever information was presented to the NFL through their sanctioned investigation into the WFT organization by which they made the decision to bring in Davis and the Raiders is what, in my opinion, is relevant.

Neither one of us are attorneys, so it will be interesting to see how this case develops. But I'm pretty sure that given the sensitive nature of one-on-one communications that were assumed to be private and going back 10 years, I'm pretty sure that the court is going to be very reluctant to allow the plaintiffs to go on a fishing expedition through tens of millions of emails (take the 650k WFT emails times 32) looking for other inappropriate language/behavior.

My guess is that Gruden's attorneys will subpoena Beth Wilkinson, the investigator that the league hired to investigate WFT, and have her testify to exactly what information it was that she presented to the league. If you will recall, the league has kept that report confidential, so one has to assume that there's information in there that's pretty embarrassing. They've made public other investigations, such as the Deflate Gate scandal, but not this one.

The league should have never allowed their hired investigator to go through the WFT emails. Doing so let the genie out of the bottle.

[obiken]

Ahh, my apologies to Obi. My bad.

However, I think it's pretty easy to prove that he was forced out.

No problem! My issue is this: IF the Raiders didn't do a proper background check on Chucky for stuff said or done prior to his being given the Raider job, its on the Raiders.

[NorthHawk]

It was supposed to be a private conversation between Gruden and Allen, so normally that wouldn’t be
disclosed in background checks. It would be almost impossible to go over every candidates emails from the
past decade and be timely in the hiring process or be thorough.

[RiverDog]

No problem! My issue is this: IF the Raiders didn't do a proper background check on Chucky for stuff said or done prior to his being given the Raider job, its on the Raiders.

It was supposed to be a private conversation between Gruden and Allen, so normally that wouldn’t be disclosed in background checks. It would be almost impossible to go over every candidates emails from the past decade and be timely in the hiring process or be thorough.

Not to mention that Gruden wasn't even an employee of the league at the time he was hired. He could have been in conversations with hundreds of different people from scores of teams.