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by **Hawktawk** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:31 pm

A lot of experts wrote off the Hawks this year, they finally got it done against a lot of B class opponents. I am happy about that.

The B class thing just makes me laugh. Carolina got beat by a team they shut out 3 weeks ago. Pittsburgh got beat by the Ravens who Seattle destroyed. Johnny football rushed for 108 yards and was a boneheaded brain freeze on a spike play from having a throw into the end zone to beat the hottest team in the league next to AZ, the Chiefs.The Vikings who Seattle destroyed on their own field hung 49 points on the Giants last night. Any given Sunday in the NFL. Theres no such thing as a B opponent as we learned the hard way yesterday.

I have no problem giving my team credit for hanging in and fighting to get enough wins to get in the tournament for the 4th time in 5 seasons.The glass is at least half full OBi buddy. Its OK to be happy......

by **HumanCockroach** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:23 pm

I'm not "attacking" you. You claimed to have "faith" which hasn't ever been the case. You make an argument in this very thread why your "analysis" has merit, and then blow your own argument up in the next post. You have NEVER to the best of my knowledge been positive in any way shape our form even when Seattle was going to back to back SuperBowls. Are you kidding me? There's a huge difference there. To bad you can't see it. Keep professing your doom and gloom is just "keeping it real". I'm fine either way.

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:45 pm

Rivera said recently that winning masks deficiencies.
We won the last two years with an OL that had been deteriorating largely because of personnel leaving and not having suitable replacements.
This year we are paying the price and it is casting doubts about our ability to win against teams with strong Defenses and/or prolific Offenses
Still, the OL has improved, but they might not yet be good enough and they are the key to us progressing.

by **obiken** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:48 pm

Hawktawk wrote:A lot of experts wrote off the Hawks this year, they finally got it done against a lot of B class opponents. I am happy about that.

The B class thing just makes me laugh. Carolina got beat by a team they shut out 3 weeks ago. Pittsburgh got beat by the Ravens who Seattle destroyed. Johnny football rushed for 108 yards and was a boneheaded brain freeze on a spike play from having a throw into the end zone to beat the hottest team in the league next to AZ, the Chiefs.The Vikings who Seattle destroyed on their own field hung 49 points on the Giants last night. Any given Sunday in the NFL. Theres no such thing as a B opponent as we learned the hard way yesterday.

I have no problem giving my team credit for hanging in and fighting to get enough wins to get in the tournament for the 4th time in 5 seasons.The glass is at least half full OBi buddy. Its OK to be happy......

IF We were to ask every Hawks fan at the beginning of the year would 9-7 be their prediction, I would venture to say that none of us would have had us that low. IF after a 4-5 start would we be happy to have gone 5-2 yes, the glass is half full. (BTW No doubt I am calling next week a loss)

by **Vegaseahawk** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:19 pm

Boy, that was hard to watch. We need momentum going into the playoffs regardless of seeding, & this game took the wind out of our sails. The O-line played like a sieve, & the turnovers killed us. Hopefully we can get some momentum back at AZ. Lawd knows we need it. Okung needs to get healthy, as well as Lynch. Our TE's are banged up too. Heflet aint cutting it. That was one of the worst performances our offense put up this year. I can't think of a worse showing. On a brighter note, I scored a couple of nice jerseys for Christmas, a #12 Fan jersey, & a #31 Chancellor blue home jersey with the SB XLVIII patch. Awesome. I would never buy an official game jersey because they're too expensive, but I sure am glad I got one as a gift. The only jersey I owned before that was a #10 Zorn game jersey from the early 80's that I always get comments on when I wear it. Go Hawks.

by **burrrton** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:07 pm

That was one of the worst performances our offense put up this year. I can't think of a worse showing.

I can- Arizona.

The offense wasn't good, and certain units looked worrisome to say the least, but two key fumbles (RW's late and deep in their territory iirc, and Tuku's returned for a TD), and the fluke nature of us not recovering either of their gift-wrapped late fumbles (that led to their go-ahead TD), are mostly what did us in.

That's not excuse making- we have to overcome hurdles like those if we expect to go deep in the postseason- but it does mean this loss wasn't completely baked into the cake of who we are as a team.

When we have a few more key pieces back, and the law of averages kicks in a bit, we have the potential to get back on track.

by **Hawktawk** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:20 pm

AZ this weekend is going to determine how we go in to the playoffs. It sounds like it may be a donnybrook with starters going full speed. Russ is 2-1 in the Roaster (vs AZ) and had a very good chance to win there in his first career start. Ive wavered back and forth about resting people. Today my mindset is lets go down there and try to knock the crap out of them. The line is 6 or more right now so were finally an underdog. We have become the hunter.
KILL THE TARDINALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

by **obiken** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:35 pm

Vegaseahawk wrote:Boy, that was hard to watch. We need momentum going into the playoffs regardless of seeding, & this game took the wind out of our sails. The O-line played like a sieve, & the turnovers killed us. Hopefully we can get some momentum back at AZ. Lawd knows we need it. Okung needs to get healthy, as well as Lynch. Our TE's are banged up too. Heflet aint cutting it. That was one of the worst performances our offense put up this year. I can't think of a worse showing. On a brighter note, I scored a couple of nice jerseys for Christmas, a #12 Fan jersey, & a #31 Chancellor blue home jersey with the SB XLVIII patch. Awesome. I would never buy an official game jersey because they're too expensive, but I sure am glad I got one as a gift. The only jersey I owned before that was a #10 Zorn game jersey from the early 80's that I always get comments on when I wear it. Go Hawks.

How much are they??

by **burrrton** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:25 pm

The line is 6 or more right now so were finally an underdog. We have become the hunter.

Holy s***. Cards -6.5.

I can't wait to see how we react.

by **jshawaii22** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:32 am

So how many of you still want us to dump Okung at the end of the year? Not as many as a few games ago, I'll bet. He may not be a HOF'er and shouldn't be compared to one, but he is a lot better then many of you think and seeing Bailey's play cemented it for me. He will need to be paid close to 10m a year.

by **obiken** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:52 am

No one wants to dump R.O. the problem is the cap. After paying RW, RS, ET, and KC, we don't have enough dough.
IF if was me, I would pay an All Pro Guard, Center, Tackle, and QB the most. The problem is its hard to argue with PC's strategy because they were already here.

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:40 am

jshawaii22 wrote:So how many of you still want us to dump Okung at the end of the year? Not as many as a few games ago, I'll bet. He may not be a HOF'er and shouldn't be compared to one, but he is a lot better then many of you think and seeing Bailey's play cemented it for me. He will need to be paid close to 10m a year.

Seeing Baileys play signified to me that he had one of his worse days ever. He started for quite a while in 13 I believe, maybe 6 games and was far better. Lots of people have trouble with the Rams front 7.

All that being said it sickens me to see the Jets roll out an offense featuring Carp at LG and Breno at RT.With Mangold in the middle and a good defense thats how you get to the playoffs without a feature back and an 11 year vet who supposedly couldn't cut it. And for all the criticism those two got the line has regressed horribly.

Russ got battered, hit 14 times,rag dolled a couple of times Sunday and you could see that he was hurting, maybe the worst Ive seen. If this gets much worse we will be seeing Tavaris under center while Russ rehabs.
I vote we at least make a serious run at Okung. He actually can be quite dominant when completely healthy which isn't often but he is still one of the better LTs in the game.
Lot's of teams have line issues and he will be a hot commodity after this season.

by **burrrton** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:56 am

So how many of you still want us to dump Okung at the end of the year? Not as many as a few games ago, I'll bet.

I'll have to admit I'm one of those who thought he would (and should) be gone next season and now feel a bit differently about him.

He's always been decent (occasionally even good), but I think my criticism still holds- he's a false start machine and it seems like he's constantly doing one of the following two things:

1. Working his way back from an injury
2. A game or two from going down with another injury

I know I should be careful what I wish for, but is it too much to ask for a legit NFL LT that plays full seasons?

I don't know- maybe that's harder to come by than I think, or maybe it's the Big Walt Effect talking...

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:23 am

Bailey made some comments that shed a little more light on last weeks performance. His quote "we thought we were just going to roll over them".
Letdown,overlooked them. I think if there is such a thing as a good loss that was one.

by **obiken** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:40 am

Ok I am going to flip out but, HOW IN FLOCK DO YOU OVERLOOK THE RAMS! They have the best front 4 in fball, they beat us in ST. Louis, I am mean that kinda says it all. It should have been a revenge game but no, we thought they would roll over?? Really??

by **mykc14** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:44 am

obiken wrote:Ok I am going to flip out but, HOW IN FLOCK DO YOU OVERLOOK THE RAMS! They have the best front 4 in fball, they beat us in ST. Louis, I am mean that kinda says it all. It should have been a revenge game but no, we thought they would roll over?? Really??

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me either. The Rams have played you as tough as any other team in the league and that is your mindset. If they really were somehow overlooking them, especially along the OL, they got exactly what they deserved, although I still doubt they all had that mindset.

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:00 am

Thats what Bailey said. Maybe it was his mindset, he sure played like it. He said that the hawks had just been rolling along and thought they would roll over the Rams too. I'm sure not everyone shared that mindset but the team was flat as a pancake. When Keenum to Britt smokes Sherman 1 on 1 Id say there might have been a little overconfidence there as well.

by **obiken** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:45 am

I dont know I dont wanna be gloom and doom so I wont say anything!

by **NorthHawk** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:55 am

There really aren't many good to very good LT's out there and every team that doesn't have one, or wants to upgrade that position will be a bidder to some degree.
I really have my doubts that we can keep him, but you never know.
With Kam and Bennett wanting more money, and Irvin as well as Mebane on the last year of their contracts, there are a lot of competing priorities.
Lynch probably won't be back - at least not at the current 2016 contract commitment of $11,000,000 so that might mean we can keep some of the guys, but I doubt the big contracts will be available for all.
History with this team shows that our FO is more willing to let OL go than pay, but again maybe they consider that position to be a very high priority.
We'll see how it plays out after the season.

by **obiken** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:00 pm

There is no way we can keep a quasi All Pro like RO, I think he is All Pro caliber, but thats just me. The bidding war on him with salary and bonuses is going to be way too much, period. Oh some more bad news from Dr. Doom here, Tom Cable might be gone, according to ESPN he maybe a head coaching candidate when the season is over.

by **mykc14** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:06 pm

obiken wrote:There is no way we can keep a quasi All Pro like RO, I think he is All Pro caliber, but thats just me. The bidding war on him with salary and bonuses is going to be way too much, period. Oh some more bad news from Dr. Doom here, Tom Cable might be gone, according to ESPN he maybe a head coaching candidate when the season is over.

I agree it is going to take a lot to keep him. It will be tough as he probably will get 9.5-11 mil/yr from somebody. With that being said it's not impossible basically that is what we are paying beast mode. It might come down to keeping beast mode, Irvin & a some other 2-3 mill guy, or okung. It will be interesting to see where they go with it. They also need to resign some other key guys, like sweezy. As far as cable goes, that's what happens when you win. He deserves another shot somewhere.

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:28 pm

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I agree it is going to take a lot to keep him. It will be tough as he probably will get 9.5-11 mil/yr from somebody. With that being said it's not impossible basically that is what we are paying beast mode. It might come down to keeping beast mode, Irvin & a some other 2-3 mill guy, or okung. It will be interesting to see where they go with it. They also need to resign some other key guys, like sweezy. As far as cable goes, that's what happens when you win. He deserves another shot somewhere.

No way you keep beast at 10 mil or whatever. The guy missed over half the season and had his worst YPC when he was on the field. I'm hoping to see him rested and refreshed in the first round and hopefully 3 more but hes a goner next year. Irvin has developed into a pretty good player but you cant keep everyone. Hes expendable. We have Clark and Bennett and Avril.As for Bennett he has been nursing a toe all year and Carroll said he had a "procedure" on it this week so we will see if he even plays this weekend. If this is a chronic condition do we pony up more money on what is a pretty nice contract already for a guy who might start unraveling Ala Beast? And the offside penalties..Jeez!!
Same with Chancellor. Hes been banged up quite a bit not to mention possibly costing us 2 games with his hold out, one for sure. I love all these guys but its a hard business. NE has the mold, dump them or trade them before you are stuck paying a shell of what you signed to a contract extension.

IMO our line play has been the biggest reason we lost the division and next year it has to be addressed one way or another, particularly if Cable and possibly Bevell are leaving.

by **mykc14** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:40 pm

Hawktawk wrote:
No way you keep beast at 10 mil or whatever. The guy missed over half the season and had his worst YPC when he was on the field. I'm hoping to see him rested and refreshed in the first round and hopefully 3 more but hes a goner next year. Irvin has developed into a pretty good player but you cant keep everyone. Hes expendable. We have Clark and Bennett and Avril.As for Bennett he has been nursing a toe all year and Carroll said he had a "procedure" on it this week so we will see if he even plays this weekend. If this is a chronic condition do we pony up more money on what is a pretty nice contract already for a guy who might start unraveling Ala Beast? And the offside penalties..Jeez!!
Same with Chancellor. Hes been banged up quite a bit not to mention possibly costing us 2 games with his hold out, one for sure. I love all these guys but its a hard business. NE has the mold, dump them or trade them before you are stuck paying a shell of what you signed to a contract extension.

IMO our line play has been the biggest reason we lost the division and next year it has to be addressed one way or another, particularly if Cable and possibly Bevell are leaving.

I don't disagree Okung is quickly becoming one of those must resign guys. I could also see us moving on from beast (gives is like a 6 mil cap savings), but he is a very important guy in the locker room and the decision might not be a popular one. It would be nice to be able to keep Irvin but he probably has played his way out of Seattle. Somebody is going to pay him more than we can.

by **obiken** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:38 pm

IMO our line play has been the biggest reason we lost the division and next year it has to be addressed one way or another, particularly if Cable and possibly Bevell are leaving.

HT, I don't think the problems on the OL are Cables fault. Its the fault of PC and Schneider, trying to build the OL on the cheap. Time will tell.

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:35 pm

obiken wrote:
HT, I don't think the problems on the OL are Cables fault. Its the fault of PC and Schneider, trying to build the OL on the cheap. Time will tell.

I love Cable. I have ever since he broke some lippy assistants jaw in Oakland.He deserves another shot. I think he may have been the last HC of the raiders to get them to a 500 season, not certain. I think hes been a miracle worker with the line being in constant flux the entire time hes been here.This years version was light years better second half of the season than the start of the season until last Sunday.

My point is if you are losing a very powerful O line coach and maybe an O coordinator who has risen in the eyes of potential suitors you better spend some dough and some draft picks on the line this season or they will literally shorten Russ's career.

by **jshawaii22** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:51 pm

HT, I don't think the problems on the OL are Cables fault. Its the fault of PC and Schneider, trying to build the OL on the cheap. Time will tell.

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I'm pretty sure that Cable, who is the Assistant Head Coach and OLIne Coach, had a lot to do with the drafting / rating of the OLine and the decisions to try position switching with the players. Not holding him accountable doesn't seem right to me. It's his department.

by **obiken** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:20 pm

I don't think Cable had impute on not drafting lineman of any major quality for 2 years. Moreover, the Unger deal is still up in the air. Sorry this is Pete's team. If anything Tom has over performed as a coach. We got our current starting Center off the Browns practice squad!

by **Seahawks4Ever** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:23 pm

Did anyone besides me read former Husky QB Hugh Millen give his weekly Monday morning break down to what worked and/or what didn't work in the Seattle Times?? If not, I will try to see if I can cut & paste it for everyone and post it here.

Hugh did a really good job of examining our O-Line play and what they didn't do and what they should have done. To those for whom the Seattle Times is not available try to get it online. I respect Hugh's "Monday morning" quarterbacking because he was actually a quarterback and knows the plays and how they are supposed to work.

I don't remember everything Hugh said but I do remember it was basically the whole line that broke down and made mental mistakes. That was what was so alarming and yet hope full. According to Hugh it wasn't so much that our guys were out played and man handled but beat themselves. Mental mistakes can be corrected.

Like someone once said, "we got them right where we want them" LOL.

Sorry, the Seattle Times archive of articles by Hugh Millen only went to December 24 and the article I mentioned was on December 28, 2015. It was in the 'Seahawk Special" sports section they insert in to the regular sports section after each game. They started it a few years ago for the play offs and now they print and publish one after every game, warts and all.

by **obiken** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:58 pm

Seahawks could be down two OL starters against Cardinals - Dec. 31, 2015

Read more: http://www.sportsradiokjr.com/articles/ ... z3vxwMPZ4R

KJR Seattle more bad news.

by **burrrton** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:38 am

Jeezus- Okung out *another* week...

I think I deleted my multi-paragraph rant in another thread, but I'm sorry- Okung is too brittle to be valuable IMO.

I just can't buy that it's that hard to find a decent-to-good LT who can play a full season without having to sit out a month here and there...

by **Hawktawk** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:26 am

Okung misses a lot of time without a doubt. That said I think for all the tough talk from Pete about how he is approaching this weekend anyone like Okung who is questionable will not play...Thats just smart.Whatever happens next year Okung gives us the best chance next weekend.

by **NorthHawk** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:41 am

burrrton wrote:Jeezus- Okung out *another* week...

I think I deleted my multi-paragraph rant in another thread, but I'm sorry- Okung is too brittle to be valuable IMO.

I just can't buy that it's that hard to find a decent-to-good LT who can play a full season without having to sit out a month here and there...

Can you name any that might be available? There will probably be a few FA's, but they come with a fairly steep price, too and draftees won't hit their stride until a few years down the road.
We might just see this Sunday what it will be like at the beginning of next year if we lose both Okung and Sweezy as they are both in doubt to play.

by **obiken** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:34 pm

You can pay your money and take your chance lets face it we FINALLY will have a 1st rounder this year we need to expend for OL!

by **NorthHawk** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:56 pm

Schneider likes to trade down, but we will probably have a lot of positions to upgrade besides OL.
For example if Ezekial Elliot is there, do they think he's the successor to Lynch and a good one two punch at RB?
How about a DT because both Rubin and Mebane are FA's, and what if Irvin signs elsewhere?
We also need a TE that can block better than the guys we have.

I hope they have OL weighted as a high priority, but a lot will also depend on how the draft falls.

by **obiken** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:09 pm

That's a drunken Fantasy HT, no way Elliot will be there. Sorry that came off too mean, but really, no way. What about Christian (Sp) Macafferty?? Moreover, we have Rawls IF he can stay healthy. You can never have too many RB or LB!

by **jshawaii22** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:00 am

That white kid from Stanford is a Sophomore, so he ain't gong anywhere for at least one year and probably two. You just don't go to Stanford and not complete your degree. Look at Sherman. He returned for his final year of eligibility in order to begin a master's degree.

by **RiverDog** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:51 am

jshawaii22 wrote:That white kid from Stanford is a Sophomore, so he ain't gong anywhere for at least one year and probably two. You just don't go to Stanford and not complete your degree. Look at Sherman. He returned for his final year of eligibility in order to begin a master's degree.

Christian McCaffrey. Good bloodlines, his dad was a solid WR in the NFL.

He can make enough money in 5 years in the NFL that it would equal 20 years of the average earnings of your typical college graduate, even those that graduate from Stanford, and that's before he signs any marketing deals, which you know will be coming by the dozen. Especially as a running back, he's running a significant risk of a career ending injury. Plus he can always go back and finish his degree if things don't work out in the NFL. I would advise him to go as soon as he's eligible.

But as great as he is in college, I don't think he'll do very well in the NFL, at least not as a running back. He's not going to be a featured running back, might even have to convert to WR. If he can run patterns and catch as well has he can run, he'd be a helluva receiver/returner, Tyler Lockett style.

by **Hawktawk** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:35 am

Post game it didn't sound like McCaffrey's going anywhere. His dad obviously played in the league so he will get the best possible advice. When he comes out he will be a star no matter where he is lined up. It isn't racial stereotyping but subliminally it seems white guys are perceived to not be as good in certain skill positions like WR and particularly at tailback. This kid is one of the most instinctive, athletic players I have ever seen. He wont sit on the board long when he enters the draft.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:41 am

In my opinion, he would fit perfectly in New England and what they like to do.
He's kind of like the guy who is (or was) on the Chiefs squad - McCasker (I think that's his name) or a bit like Austin of the Rams.
He's one of those types who could excel almost anywhere, but might never settle in one position to really learn that trade and thus not be the game changer at a single position we would think. He sure is fun to watch, though.

by **burrrton** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:05 am

It isn't racial stereotyping but subliminally it seems white guys are perceived to not be as good in certain skill positions like WR and particularly at tailback.

You think it's just perception keeping caucasians out of those skill positions??

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