Watson/QB's

[RiverDog]

Backups are that for a reason.
Usually, if they are good in a few games, it doesn't continue.
Sure they look good in a short stint, but they usually don't continue on that streak.
Look at Nick Foles - backup QB who won a SB and looked great doing so. Then what?
And he's just one example.
Simply put most backups are good stopgaps for a few games only then the clock strikes midnight and it's all over.

I tend to agree, but there are exceptions, the most notable being Tom Brady. Kurt Cousins was not only a backup, but he was drafted in the same class as RG3. Jimmy G was a backup to Brady, and say what you like about him, but he did lead the Niners to a SB and a conference championship game.

[NorthHawk]

Brady was learning the role, Cousins wasn't given a chance because he's not getting the playing time a 2nd overall pick would get and Jimmy G. was largely in the same spot as Cousins in that
he wasn't going to get much of a chance if Brady wasn't hurt. I think thats much different from Geno who was a starting QB for a few years then was relegated to being a backup because he
couldn't win a starting role outright.

[RiverDog]

Brady was learning the role, Cousins wasn't given a chance because he's not getting the playing time a 2nd overall pick would get and Jimmy G. was largely in the same spot as Cousins in that he wasn't going to get much of a chance if Brady wasn't hurt. I think thats much different from Geno who was a starting QB for a few years then was relegated to being a backup because he couldn't win a starting role outright.

Agreed.

[Aseahawkfan]

Also having the number one overall pick or a high number one pick usually means you were bad for years and had been drafting high for years. If you draft well like that, you usually start to have some great players on the team around your number one overall QB...unless you're Jacksonville.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yeah, and if you'll thumb down even further, there's a comment about Bobby Wagner, that the Seahawks released him because we're "in a rebuild mode." I hope someone tells Pete that.

My prediction is Pete and John are all done. They had their time in the sun. They've lost their way. It's just going to be a few more years of non-competitive Seahawks maybe reaching the playoffs and one and done, then two to three years down the line they'll be fired.

I don't much care what Pete says at this point. Not like his view has ever been a realistic one. He can say we're not rebuilding just like he can say he thinks the current team can win, he's been wrong.

I'm not some guy who goes by what people say. I go by what is smart for a team to do after 30 plus years of watching football. I know what it takes to win. I've watched it on many teams again and again. And Seattle doesn't have the horses to win due to bad roster management and drafting. I don't need people to agree with me when it is not based on my opinion, but what I see on the field. I look at the people we're fielding and the various parts of a football team and we're bad to average at best in way too many areas that are difficult to turn around fast. It's way too expensive in free agency to shore all these position groups up with game changers. Given how bad their drafting is at this point, I don't have much faith Pete and John will draft enough game changers to make much of a difference.

Just as you watched the end of the Legion of Boom and our defensive line and our LBs, you'll be watching the end of Pete and John soon for lack of ability to maintain a contender and continuing to manage the roster badly in a desperate attempt to maintain relevance probably trading more draft capital for some desperate move that won't work.

[RiverDog]

Yeah, and if you'll thumb down even further, there's a comment about Bobby Wagner, that the Seahawks released him because we're "in a rebuild mode." I hope someone tells Pete that.

My prediction is Pete and John are all done. They had their time in the sun. They've lost their way. It's just going to be a few more years of non-competitive Seahawks maybe reaching the playoffs and one and done, then two to three years down the line they'll be fired.

I don't much care what Pete says at this point. Not like his view has ever been a realistic one. He can say we're not rebuilding just like he can say he thinks the current team can win, he's been wrong.

I'm not some guy who goes by what people say. I go by what is smart for a team to do after 30 plus years of watching football. I know what it takes to win. I've watched it on many teams again and again. And Seattle doesn't have the horses to win due to bad roster management and drafting. I don't need people to agree with me when it is not based on my opinion, but what I see on the field. I look at the people we're fielding and the various parts of a football team and we're bad to average at best in way too many areas that are difficult to turn around fast. It's way too expensive in free agency to shore all these position groups up with game changers. Given how bad their drafting is at this point, I don't have much faith Pete and John will draft enough game changers to make much of a difference.

Just as you watched the end of the Legion of Boom and our defensive line and our LBs, you'll be watching the end of Pete and John soon for lack of ability to maintain a contender and continuing to manage the roster badly in a desperate attempt to maintain relevance probably trading more draft capital for some desperate move that won't work.

Sadly, I agree with this.

At least the draft is going to be interesting this season, providing Pete and John don't trade down for a bunch of 3rd day picks or spend them on Watson.

[TriCitySam]

Here's an article that discusses some of the QB options available to us, broken down to free agency, the draft, and in house. Hawktalk, better brace yourself: Geno isn't on the list.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/seah ... r-seattle/

He lost me when he started out with Trubisky......I liked watching Mariota in college, but here is why I favor Minshew over Mariota: while Minshew has a slightly lower career QB rating (89.6 to 95), his INT % is about 1/2 what Marcus has had (Pete is ALL about turnovers, correctly so), and he played for a hapless Jacksonville team where Marcus had a decent Titans team around him.

Given the fact it really isn't in our benefit to win in '22, not sure why I even care......let's bring back Stan Gelbaugh!

[TriCitySam]

My prediction is Pete and John are all done. They had their time in the sun. They've lost their way. It's just going to be a few more years of non-competitive Seahawks maybe reaching the playoffs and one and done, then two to three years down the line they'll be fired.

I don't much care what Pete says at this point. Not like his view has ever been a realistic one. He can say we're not rebuilding just like he can say he thinks the current team can win, he's been wrong.

I'm not some guy who goes by what people say. I go by what is smart for a team to do after 30 plus years of watching football. I know what it takes to win. I've watched it on many teams again and again. And Seattle doesn't have the horses to win due to bad roster management and drafting. I don't need people to agree with me when it is not based on my opinion, but what I see on the field. I look at the people we're fielding and the various parts of a football team and we're bad to average at best in way too many areas that are difficult to turn around fast. It's way too expensive in free agency to shore all these position groups up with game changers. Given how bad their drafting is at this point, I don't have much faith Pete and John will draft enough game changers to make much of a difference.

Just as you watched the end of the Legion of Boom and our defensive line and our LBs, you'll be watching the end of Pete and John soon for lack of ability to maintain a contender and continuing to manage the roster badly in a desperate attempt to maintain relevance probably trading more draft capital for some desperate move that won't work.

Sorry, I'll have to disagree. Being an armchair QB qualifies no one to be an expert. Only Belichick has one more games over the past decade than Pete - you don't like him. That's fine, but PC does know how to win football games - better than you, me or anyone else on any forum anywhere.

[RiverDog]

Sorry, I'll have to disagree. Being an armchair QB qualifies no one to be an expert. Only Belichick has one more games over the past decade than Pete - you don't like him. That's fine, but PC does know how to win football games - better than you, me or anyone else on any forum anywhere.

Certainly Pete knows how to win football games because he's won more than he's lost with us. But that's not the problem. The problem is that he doesn't know how to win BIG football games, or at least he hasn't won any big games in a really long time.

[NorthHawk]

I view the problem with Pete is he’s lost his way in regards to building a team.
He’s taken the Seahawks from being one of the most talented teams to now less than average.
For that alone he should have been replaced, but it has been compounded by some horrible
trades and questionable FA signings.
From a FA PoV, we may have switched places with the Bengals in that top FAs may not choose us
because we lack talent and a chance to go deep into the playoffs.

[obiken]

I view the problem with Pete is he’s lost his way in regards to building a team.
He’s taken the Seahawks from being one of the most talented teams to now less than average.
For that alone he should have been replaced, but it has been compounded by some horrible
trades and questionable FA signings.
From a FA PoV, we may have switched places with the Bengals in that top FAs may not choose us
because we lack talent and a chance to go deep into the playoffs.

Spot on! Giving PC draft picks is like giving a squirrel a football. He just rolls around with them and trades down. IF Pete trades down we are doomed! Either way I think he is gone in 2 years, by hook or by crook. Moreover, IF it wasnt for his legal issues would we have traded DW for RW, in a NY minute!

[RiverDog]

Now there's rumors circulating that the Browns might be interested in moving Baker Mayfield, who has one year left on his contract, and entering the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes:

The Browns are still exploring a trade for Deshaun Watson, and will have to offer multiple first-round picks, Baker Mayfield and maybe other players

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/0 ... ayers.html

As many teams that are rumored to be interested in Watson, it's going to drive the price up and could wind up being a bigger trade than the one we executed with Denver.

[Hawktawk]

I like mayfield . He’s tough , brutally honest and a bit of a dirty gritty blue collar guy . He played great in 2020 but battled injuries all season last year . He will force the ball and get picked but then again Stafford led the league in pick 6s and picks and we saw how that turned out .
And can we clear that air on Geno Smith ? I don’t think anyone on the forum gets my point . It’s about the transformation of the game . This is a guy who threw a pick for every score . Matter of fact he had a game in NY where he threw 4 picks in 8 ATTEMPTED passes on a short day . But then he threw for 374 and 4 TDs vs the dolphins with a perfect QBR. The only other start of his career was with the giants as the first man not named Eli to take the field in over a decade was a disaster . Other than a mop up of a Jets blowout win where he looked sharp .

Then he goes 98 cold as a cucumber after a shocking injury . We were a play from going 4-0 in his stint , in every game till the end . The final game , third start in 5 years he was nearly perfect . He averaged 20 ppg against 2 very good defenses and one in Jax that held Josh Allen to 6 points a week later . Saints was his worst game and still a nice TD pass to Dk in a rainstorm . It’s a win if Meyers makes his kicks . It’s about relativity , recency bias!!!! . If his starting #s were spread out over a season it’s high 20s for TD passes for about 4 k yards and zero picks . That’s math . And it’s possible that he was just getting warmed up when little dictator took the ball back and wrecked the season .

[RiverDog]

I like mayfield . He’s tough , brutally honest and a bit of a dirty gritty blue collar guy . He played great in 2020 but battled injuries all season last year . He will force the ball and get picked but then again Stafford led the league in pick 6s and picks and we saw how that turned out .
And can we clear that air on Geno Smith ? I don’t think anyone on the forum gets my point . It’s about the transformation of the game . This is a guy who threw a pick for every score . Matter of fact he had a game in NY where he threw 4 picks in 8 ATTEMPTED passes on a short day . But then he threw for 374 and 4 TDs vs the dolphins with a perfect QBR. The only other start of his career was with the giants as the first man not named Eli to take the field in over a decade was a disaster . Other than a mop up of a Jets blowout win where he looked sharp .

Then he goes 98 cold as a cucumber after a shocking injury . We were a play from going 4-0 in his stint , in every game till the end . The final game , third start in 5 years he was nearly perfect . He averaged 20 ppg against 2 very good defenses and one in Jax that held Josh Allen to 6 points a week later . Saints was his worst game and still a nice TD pass to Dk in a rainstorm . It’s a win if Meyers makes his kicks . It’s about relativity , recency bias!!!! . If his starting #s were spread out over a season it’s high 20s for TD passes for about 4 k yards and zero picks . That’s math . And it’s possible that he was just getting warmed up when little dictator took the ball back and wrecked the season .

You're talking to yourself regarding Geno. No one else, either in this forum or in the rest of the football world, holds him in such high esteem as you do. And before you say it, there's no evidence that Pete is interested in him as anything more than a backup or insurance policy.

I've never been a big Baker Mayfield fan. Admittedly, some of it is a personal bias as I hate those Progressive commercials he does. But the fact that he has just one year left on his contract means that he's going to be expensive, and one of the positive things the Wilson trade does for us is unload a huge contractual burden. Plus he's going to cost us draft picks, perhaps not as many as a Watson trade will yield, but we'll still have to surrender at least half of our Wilson bounty. I'd rather take a chance on some hotshot rookie coming out of the draft or roll the dice with Lock while using those draft picks to build a solid foundation. I don't view this team as being just a player or two away from a SB, especially now that Russell and Bobby have both departed.

[Hawktawk]

Few hold Geno in as low a regard as you. I see him as a potential bridge here . A training camp arm with a chance to compete for the job . I heard announcers almost every game he played saying he might be a guy with a chance as a late bloomer . Dave Wyman thinks he could start somewhere .

And you’re delusional regarding Carroll who was effusive in his praise and clearly likes him well enough to take a PR hit to bring him back . He repeatedly mentioned Geno being ready , played great while we watched 35 million guy throw it everywhere but to his receivers .

And you just don’t want to respond to DK saying he’s never had a ball like the one Geno threw him after 3 years catching balls from Wilson . Any you probably won’t .

I see Geno as a guy that belongs on a roster and I think he could be an adequate option if nothing better happens ..that’s not an overreach at all.

[RiverDog]

Few hold Geno in as low a regard as you. I see him as a potential bridge here . A training camp arm with a chance to compete for the job . I heard announcers almost every game he played saying he might be a guy with a chance as a late bloomer . Dave Wyman thinks he could start somewhere .

And you’re delusional regarding Carroll who was effusive in his praise and clearly likes him well enough to take a PR hit to bring him back . He repeatedly mentioned Geno being ready , played great while we watched 35 million guy throw it everywhere but to his receivers .

And you just don’t want to respond to DK saying he’s never had a ball like the one Geno threw him after 3 years catching balls from Wilson . Any you probably won’t .

I see Geno as a guy that belongs on a roster and I think he could be an adequate option if nothing better happens ..that’s not an overreach at all.

Few hold Geno in lower regard than I do? Where in the hell have you been? The other forum that I frequent has much more caustic remarks than I've ever said, and I can quote them for you if you like. In this very thread, I quoted you one such opinion from Field Gulls. The worst I said about Geno is that he performed like what you would expect out of a backup quarterback. And I've expressed a willingness to let him compete to be that bridge that you have talked about, but I have my doubts that he's going to get a chance, that Pete will bring in at least one more QB, either through the draft, FA, or trade, to compete for the job. Pete's only expressed interest is in resigning him. You can interpret that however you like, but there is no evidence that he wants him for anything more than a backup or insurance. He certainly hasn't piled on the praise as he's done on so many occasions with other players.

The reason why I didn't respond to your noting what Metcalf said about a pass Geno threw is because it is completely irrelevant to the discussion and is nothing but window dressing that you're using to support your opinion. DK is not the decision maker.

IMO Geno hasn't earned himself a place on the roster, at least not yet. He's earned himself a shot.

[NorthHawk]

For the love of god please don't take what Pete says about a player seriously.
Wasn't Tarvaris Jackson a player we could build around? Didn't they have no intentions of trading Wilson?
Weren't we just a player or 2 away from challenging for a SB?
Pete just says a lot of stuff and much of it is to appease others so he can move on.

[mykc14]

I say no to Watson unless 3 things change. 1) His off the field issues. 22 accusers is just too many for me to look past and believe beyond a reasonable doubt that he didn't in some way shape or form coerce these girls into doing something that they didn't want to do. If it becomes clear that the 22 accusers are simply trying to extort him or at least knew that they were engaging into a mutual massage with a 'happy ending' then I would reconsider. 2) His contract. The Texans have structured it so that even in a trade his cap hits would be 35, 42, 32, and 32 million dollars over the next 4 years. That's not great for the team that trades for him. I believe a trade would probably come with some sort of extension, so you can alleviate some of that hit in the first few years, and years 3 and 4 at 32 million aren't terrible, but it puts you right back in a situation where you are paying a QB over that 13% threshold. So I would only trade for him if the Texans agreed to pay for a chunk of his contract. He has a $17 million roster bonus due after this season, they could turn that into guaranteed money before the trade and eat most of it. In that case if both the off-field stuff changed and the Texans ate some of his salary then I would consider a trade if the compensation weren't too high which brings me to the 3rd thing that would need to change. 3) Trade compensation. Given his current contract and the fact that he hasn't played in almost 2 years I wouldn't be too interested in trading for him, but I would probably part with a 2nd (if there were no off-the field issues). The Texans are certainly going to get at least 1 first for him without anything changing so the compensation is just going to be too high. If the off-the field issues got cleared up and the Texans ate a chunk of his contract then I would be willing to give up a 1st, maybe even 2 to acquire him. At the end of the day none of those 3 things is going to change so I am out.

[mykc14]

If I could hand pick RW's replacement Mariota would be my #1 choice while also looking seriously at a rookie. I actually like Mat Corral, but not at #9. If the Hawks don't like any rookie QB's this year they will have draft ammo next year to move up and grab one. Other QB's that would intrigue me would be MInshew, Trubisky, Tyrod Taylor. If Watson does get traded to a team like the Browns or Vikings I would look into Cousins (although that is unlikely now that he just signed a contract) or Mayfield.

[RiverDog]

For the love of god please don't take what Pete says about a player seriously. Wasn't Tarvaris Jackson a player we could build around? Didn't they have no intentions of trading Wilson? Weren't we just a player or 2 away from challenging for a SB? Pete just says a lot of stuff and much of it is to appease others so he can move on.

Exactly! God, do I remember the "We're going to build around Tarvaris" remark. I about fell out of my chair. When it comes to Pete praising players, he's doing it as a motivational tactic to get as much as he can out of them as he knows that his players read and watch the same interviews that we all do. They're not meant to be taken literally and they're usually not based on any objective evaluation of his.

[RiverDog]

I say no to Watson unless 3 things change. 1) His off the field issues. 22 accusers is just too many for me to look past and believe beyond a reasonable doubt that he didn't in some way shape or form coerce these girls into doing something that they didn't want to do. If it becomes clear that the 22 accusers are simply trying to extort him or at least knew that they were engaging into a mutual massage with a 'happy ending' then I would reconsider.

Yep. Even when you take into consideration the character of some of these witnesses, that many if not most are prostitutes, 22 of them makes it extremely unlikely that all are lying. After all, there are honest hookers, too. Besides, even if they all are lying, what the hell is he doing frequenting those establishments anyway? A professional football player with a multi million dollar contract could get laid by a nun on Good Friday. I have zero sympathy for him.

[RiverDog]

If I could hand pick RW's replacement Mariota would be my #1 choice while also looking seriously at a rookie. I actually like Mat Corral, but not at #9. If the Hawks don't like any rookie QB's this year they will have draft ammo next year to move up and grab one. Other QB's that would intrigue me would be MInshew, Trubisky, Tyrod Taylor. If Watson does get traded to a team like the Browns or Vikings I would look into Cousins (although that is unlikely now that he just signed a contract) or Mayfield.

I agree, except that Minshew is under contract with the Eagles and they reportedly love the guy as their backup to an injury prone Hurts (the name alone implies injuries ) At least Trurbisky and Taylor are free agents. Another name that has been thrown around has been Tyler Huntley, the Ravens' backup, but as with Minshew, he's under contract and given the injury risk to their starter, the Ravens aren't likely to be easily parted with him.

[NorthHawk]

Trubisky signed with the Steelers.

[govandals]

I am fine with Lock being the guy next year. Looks like Pete passed on D. Watson, thankfully. Use this draft to bolster DE, OL, DT and LB. If Pete really believes in a QB at #9, so be it. I don't think he will. If Pickett, Corral or Ridder is there at #40 then by all means. I'm fine with a late round QB too.

Why even bother bringing in another QB to compete? Especially Baker Mayfield? Whats the difference in winning 5-7 games with Lock, Winston or Mariotta or 7-8 games with Mayfield? This team isn't making the playoffs. I'd rather spend on younger players at other positions. "Embrace the suck" this year and hope the 23 draft class at QB is better.

[NorthHawk]

I am fine with Lock being the guy next year. Looks like Pete passed on D. Watson, thankfully. Use this draft to bolster DE, OL, DT and LB. If Pete really believes in a QB at #9, so be it. I don't think he will. If Pickett, Corral or Ridder is there at #40 then by all means. I'm fine with a late round QB too.

Why even bother bringing in another QB to compete? Especially Baker Mayfield? Whats the difference in winning 5-7 games with Lock, Winston or Mariotta or 7-8 games with Mayfield? This team isn't making the playoffs. I'd rather spend on younger players at other positions. "Embrace the suck" this year and hope the 23 draft class at QB is better.

It's made the draft more relevant to me, but in the back of my mind I have this dread that PC/JS will find a way to squander the picks in a trade or make another unconventional pick and
end up passing by top talent in positions we really need help at.

[RiverDog]

I am fine with Lock being the guy next year. Looks like Pete passed on D. Watson, thankfully. Use this draft to bolster DE, OL, DT and LB. If Pete really believes in a QB at #9, so be it. I don't think he will. If Pickett, Corral or Ridder is there at #40 then by all means. I'm fine with a late round QB too.

Why even bother bringing in another QB to compete? Especially Baker Mayfield? Whats the difference in winning 5-7 games with Lock, Winston or Mariotta or 7-8 games with Mayfield? This team isn't making the playoffs. I'd rather spend on younger players at other positions. "Embrace the suck" this year and hope the 23 draft class at QB is better.

You're preaching to the choir, bro.

Another QB that we're supposedly looking at is Malik Willis out of Liberty. There's a lot of talk that the Seahawks really like Willis...I saw somewhere that he was one of two QB's that we met with at the combine...and would likely be available to us at #9 should we decide to go that route.

[mykc14]

[quote="RiverDog"]

I agree, except that Minshew is under contract with the Eagles.

Yeah, we would have to give up draft picks for Minshew or wait until next year when he is a free agent.

[Uppercut]

If QB is in the cards

Three inches taller please

[govandals]

Another QB that we're supposedly looking at is Malik Willis out of Liberty. There's a lot of talk that the Seahawks really like Willis...I saw somewhere that he was one of two QB's that we met with at the combine...and would likely be available to us at #9 should we decide to go that route.

Easy pass on Willis for me. He completed 61% of his passes and 12 picks in 13 games last year. He is being hyped up because he is an athlete. His footwork is terrible and he doesn't throw over the middle much.
Maybe I'm overthinking this, but I see the interest in Willis as a smokescreen so a qb needy team trades up for Willis before Seattle's pick to push other players down the board. Besides, Pete does a good job with silence when it comes to who they are interested in. When is the last time Pete picked a guy in the 1st round and everyone said "That's exactly who we thought they were gonna draft?"

[Hawktawk]

Few hold Geno in lower regard than I do? Where in the hell have you been? The other forum that I frequent has much more caustic remarks than I've ever said, and I can quote them for you if you like. In this very thread, I quoted you one such opinion from Field Gulls. The worst I said about Geno is that he performed like what you would expect out of a backup quarterback. And I've expressed a willingness to let him compete to be that bridge that you have talked about, but I have my doubts that he's going to get a chance, that Pete will bring in at least one more QB, either through the draft, FA, or trade, to compete for the job. Pete's only expressed interest is in resigning him. You can interpret that however you like, but there is no evidence that he wants him for anything more than a backup or insurance. He certainly hasn't piled on the praise as he's done on so many occasions with other players.

The reason why I didn't respond to your noting what Metcalf said about a pass Geno threw is because it is completely irrelevant to the discussion and is nothing but window dressing that you're using to support your opinion. DK is not the decision maker.

IMO Geno hasn't earned himself a place on the roster, at least not yet. He's earned himself a shot.

Not to play word games but you said Geno played poorly, nothing more than a BELOW AVERAGE backup, scoffed at the possibly anyone would be impressed with a 98 yard drive in the dudes first action in a meaningful situation in 5 years. You did, said the Rams had adjusted their defense or something like that . I saw 140 passing yards and 10 points in a quarter. For a game that's 40 points and 560 passing yards. When is the last time Russ did that to the Rams? even 10 points in a quarter? yeah I thought so .

Your comment about DKs remarks is really off the charts. To me it means something when a guy considered one of the most physically gifted receiver in the league says hes never seen a ball like that from the backup when the 35 million guy throws to him every week. Said it on twitter where everyone could read it.

I know what it meant and so did you , It meant the same thing as when Russ finally hooked him up again 7 weeks later and ran up to celebrate and DK turned his back on him. I got that too.

After that Jax game several Hawks teammates were bumping his twitter, Diggs was joking with him about not being as fast as he was in WV, telling him he sucked at video games. There's a comradery between he and his teammates that was gone with other guy.

really don't know whether we see current Geno much different although statistics dont seem to matter to you. 102 QBR and 700 yards passing with 5 TDs and a rushing one in 3 starts is at a minimum good backup IMO. I think hes earned a roster spot and it would be foolish not to have him on the roster as an insurance policy unless you're making some other huge moves at the position. I also think if he were to be able to replicate his game of the few starts he had here and clean up the sacks which was his biggest problem he would be a better option for a few teams than who is starting assuming he gets Uber in his phone. If I get to pick one I pick signing Penney hands down but I think Geno could come in handy the next year or 2. It proved extremely foolish of PC to let little dictator back on the field 3 weeks early or we might have a few more answers to current Geno but we didn't. I wouldnt be surprises if the whole finger drama thing was factor in PC saying OK that's enough.

[Hawktawk]

I am fine with Lock being the guy next year. Looks like Pete passed on D. Watson, thankfully. Use this draft to bolster DE, OL, DT and LB. If Pete really believes in a QB at #9, so be it. I don't think he will. If Pickett, Corral or Ridder is there at #40 then by all means. I'm fine with a late round QB too.

Why even bother bringing in another QB to compete? Especially Baker Mayfield? Whats the difference in winning 5-7 games with Lock, Winston or Mariotta or 7-8 games with Mayfield? This team isn't making the playoffs. I'd rather spend on younger players at other positions. "Embrace the suck" this year and hope the 23 draft class at QB is better.

Reported yesterday the Seahawks are fine with Drew Locke as an option if nothing bigger happens. The kid is a big moose who can "really spin it". Accuracy, confidence and reading the field are his issues. He was in a 1 read offense in college.

I dont buy we aren't making the playoffs. The FO and coach aren't operating like that. Had we stood pat with a declining disgruntled QB and a declining overpaid linebacker we wouldnt have made any playoffs either most likely. hearing how dysfunctional Russell and PCs relationship had become I'm surprised they did as well as they did.
Reload, not rebuild.

[Hawktawk]

Another QB that we're supposedly looking at is Malik Willis out of Liberty. There's a lot of talk that the Seahawks really like Willis...I saw somewhere that he was one of two QB's that we met with at the combine...and would likely be available to us at #9 should we decide to go that route.

Easy pass on Willis for me. He completed 61% of his passes and 12 picks in 13 games last year. He is being hyped up because he is an athlete. His footwork is terrible and he doesn't throw over the middle much.
Maybe I'm overthinking this, but I see the interest in Willis as a smokescreen so a qb needy team trades up for Willis before Seattle's pick to push other players down the board. Besides, Pete does a good job with silence when it comes to who they are interested in. When is the last time Pete picked a guy in the 1st round and everyone said "That's exactly who we thought they were gonna draft?"

The talking heads are all over Willis as a potential successor to Russ. 61% can be coached up. So can footwork. And Pete Ball is easier for a QB who doesn't have to be cooking to be happy. You cant coach measurables like athleticism and strength and arm talent. The dude lit up the scoreboard. And did you really say throw over the middle At the conclusion of the second Rams loss with Seattle having scored 10 points a stat was revealed that as of that game week 15 Russ had ATTEMPTED 29 passes in the middle of the field in between the hash marks in the 10 to 15 yard range ALL SEASON. By comparison Tom Brady Completed about 7 such throws per game. The kid will throw more over the middle than Russ has since SB 49

[RiverDog]

Another QB that we're supposedly looking at is Malik Willis out of Liberty. There's a lot of talk that the Seahawks really like Willis...I saw somewhere that he was one of two QB's that we met with at the combine...and would likely be available to us at #9 should we decide to go that route.

Easy pass on Willis for me. He completed 61% of his passes and 12 picks in 13 games last year. He is being hyped up because he is an athlete. His footwork is terrible and he doesn't throw over the middle much.

Maybe I'm overthinking this, but I see the interest in Willis as a smokescreen so a qb needy team trades up for Willis before Seattle's pick to push other players down the board. Besides, Pete does a good job with silence when it comes to who they are interested in. When is the last time Pete picked a guy in the 1st round and everyone said "That's exactly who we thought they were gonna draft?"

I know next to nothing about Willis other than he transferred from Auburn to a mid major and that there's been a lot of talk about the Seahawks being interested. You're exactly right about the possibility of it being a smoke screen and you're right about the Hawks being unpredictable. Sometimes I think that's worn as a badge of honor for Pete and John, that their system of evaluation is so uniquely superior that no one can figure them out. That's one of the reasons why I haven't participated in Cbob's 3 deep draft contest, because they're so damn unpredictable.

Nevertheless, he's a viable option that merits us keeping an eye on, especially if he drops into the 2nd round where we have two back-to-back picks.

[RiverDog]

Few hold Geno in lower regard than I do? Where in the hell have you been? The other forum that I frequent has much more caustic remarks than I've ever said, and I can quote them for you if you like. In this very thread, I quoted you one such opinion from Field Gulls. The worst I said about Geno is that he performed like what you would expect out of a backup quarterback. And I've expressed a willingness to let him compete to be that bridge that you have talked about, but I have my doubts that he's going to get a chance, that Pete will bring in at least one more QB, either through the draft, FA, or trade, to compete for the job. Pete's only expressed interest is in resigning him. You can interpret that however you like, but there is no evidence that he wants him for anything more than a backup or insurance. He certainly hasn't piled on the praise as he's done on so many occasions with other players.

The reason why I didn't respond to your noting what Metcalf said about a pass Geno threw is because it is completely irrelevant to the discussion and is nothing but window dressing that you're using to support your opinion. DK is not the decision maker.

IMO Geno hasn't earned himself a place on the roster, at least not yet. He's earned himself a shot.

Not to play word games but you said Geno played poorly, nothing more than a BELOW AVERAGE backup, scoffed at the possibly anyone would be impressed with a 98 yard drive in the dudes first action in a meaningful situation in 5 years. You did, said the Rams had adjusted their defense or something like that . I saw 140 passing yards and 10 points in a quarter. For a game that's 40 points and 560 passing yards. When is the last time Russ did that to the Rams? even 10 points in a quarter? yeah I thought so .

Your comment about DKs remarks is really off the charts. To me it means something when a guy considered one of the most physically gifted receiver in the league says hes never seen a ball like that from the backup when the 35 million guy throws to him every week. Said it on twitter where everyone could read it.

I don't know where you got the idea that I said that Geno was nothing more than a below average quarterback. I even went to the trouble to post a link to an article that showed backup quarterbacks win 32% of their starts, which is almost the exact percentage, 33.33%, that Geno had in his 3 starts, to show that he's an average backup. As far as his 98 yard drive vs. the Rams, yes, that was a nicely executed drive, but you failed to note how that game ended, when with 2 minutes to go and down by 6, Geno threw a pick that was a virtual game ender.

But I'm not going to argue with you about what I said and didn't say. What I am telling you now is that IMO Geno is an adequate, average backup quarterback, and although I wouldn't mind seeing him brought in to compete for the starting job, I don't think it's likely. I don't know what Pete has up his sleeve with his quarterback plans, just that it's very possible that all he's looking for from Geno is another year as a backup as the only two QB's he has on the roster don't know our system nearly as well as Geno does.

As far as what Metcalf said, it means nothing in the whole scheme of things. Even if it were someone more qualified than a 2nd year player, someone like Tyler Lockett that's seen a helluva lot more NFL passes, it wouldn't mean much other than he likes catching passes from him. It's not like Pete's going to say to himself "Oh, DK said that Geno throws a perfect ball. Let's forget about going after Watson or drafting a QB. Let's go re-sign Geno!" It's absurd, which is why I didn't comment about until you called me out for ignoring it.

Edit: I see where Tyler Lockett worked out with Colin Kaepernick yesterday and really wants the Hawks to sign him. What a conundrum Pete must find himself in: Who knows quarterbacks better, Metcalf or Lockett?

[NorthHawk]

In looking at the QBs in the draft, I stumbled upon an article about Willis’s production.
They had a graphic which showed that he rarely threw across the middle to the point that
at times he would throw into double coverage and not throwto the middle at wide open
receivers. The percentages were something like in the teens for the middle. As well
they pointed out he had trouble with his progressions. He has a lot of talent, but he’s going to
need a lot of work before he’ll be ready to play, and there’s no guarantee he will ever
develop to the point of being worthy of a high draft pick. Unfortunately there are no blue
chip QBs in this draft like in previous years. Maybe one will blossom and surprise us all like a
Brady or even Russ but at this point it seems the ceiling for QBs in this draft looks like
Drew Lock from a value perspective.

[RiverDog]

In looking at the QBs in the draft, I stumbled upon an article about Willis’s production.
They had a graphic which showed that he rarely threw across the middle to the point that
at times he would throw into double coverage and not throwto the middle at wide open
receivers. The percentages were something like in the teens for the middle. As well
they pointed out he had trouble with his progressions. He has a lot of talent, but he’s going to
need a lot of work before he’ll be ready to play, and there’s no guarantee he will ever
develop to the point of being worthy of a high draft pick. Unfortunately there are no blue
chip QBs in this draft like in previous years. Maybe one will blossom and surprise us all like a
Brady or even Russ but at this point it seems the ceiling for QBs in this draft looks like
Drew Lock from a value perspective.

That's an interesting take, but I would like to read the article you're referring to. I don't know much about Willis except that he's currently the Flavor of the Week when it comes to potential Seahawk QB's. Do you have a link to the story that you referred to?

[obiken]

Watson is out, he is down to NO, Carolina, and the Falcons. So we are doomed. Its like in combat guys, once you realize your dead you might make it. IF you have any hope for this team until Pete leaves, your delusionally dumb.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

No to Watson. Don't trade away draft capital for him. I'm firmly in the camp of none of the quarterbacks in this draft are worth a high pick, so set the table until your guy comes along and pick a serviceable Mr. Right Now. I wouldn't mind seeing Mariota, Minschew, or Taylor.

Perhaps the Seahawks don't see significant success under Pete and John again, but I'd really like them to attempt to build instead of buy a winner.

[Stream Hawk]

Apparently Watson rejected the Seahawks’ trade request. That’s pretty pathetic on so many fronts. Pete can’t even start fresh to load up on some talent; tries to cheat. Again: We are not a quarterback away.

I think the league may have passed him by. I hope I’m wrong

[RiverDog]

The field is apparently narrowing in the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes as he's meeting with the Panthers and Saints. The Colts tried to schedule a meeting with him, but the Texans said no, apparently unwilling to trade him to a team within their division. Supposedly the Hawks don't have any plans to meet with him, which is music to my ears.

One option, Mitch Trubisky, signed with the Steelers.