Niners Game

[Hawktawk]

I saw Burrows. Not sure it was worse . Both could PO a QB. I was shocked by how bad Everett was because he’s been a man among boys . I remember the reverse of Burrows play way back when . We were playing the air coryelle chargers and fouts threw it up long to a receiver covered by Easley. Easley broke up the pass and it fell to the ground but Easleys heel popped it up into the receivers hands and he scored .

[NorthHawk]

I think by the time QBs get to the NFL, they've seen some weird stuff so it probably doesn't surprise them too much because in sports weird things happen.
Yesterday was just a strange day in sports. There was the F1 race with an incident with Hamilton, in golf 2 players went to the wrong Tee box and were penalized
for hitting off the wrong box, the strange INT's in our and the Bengals games. It was just an odd day all around.

[RiverDog]

The Bengals-Chargers game was the weirdest. In addition to the fumbled/intercepted TD bomb, the Bengals fell way behind, rallied to get it within a few points, were driving for the go-ahead score when the Chargers score on a scoop-and-score fumble. And to top it off, their QB ended up with a finger injury on is throwing hand, a dislocated pinky. It would have been a tough day if you were a Bengals fan.

[I-5]

It does look like Russell's finger is healing... pretty much the length of time the doctors first predicted he should be out. And does it really matter to the greater scheme of things if we are 4-8 or 3-9? I think giving the players the psychological bounce of life is the better choice and so was the fake punt... Homer again!

That's an excellent point about the prognosis on Russ' finger, and if his doctors are right, then Russ' improved throws on Sunday make a lot of sense.

[obiken]

That's an excellent point about the prognosis on Russ' finger, and if his doctors are right, then Russ' improved throws on Sunday make a lot of sense.

I was wrong I had to apologize to River, but I think was right it should have been 8 weeks before he comes back.

[RiverDog]

It does look like Russell's finger is healing... pretty much the length of time the doctors first predicted he should be out. And does it really matter to the greater scheme of things if we are 4-8 or 3-9? I think giving the players the psychological bounce of life is the better choice and so was the fake punt... Homer again!

That's an excellent point about the prognosis on Russ' finger, and if his doctors are right, then Russ' improved throws on Sunday make a lot of sense.

Of course, that raises a thorny question: Did Russell's starting against the Packers and Cards give us the best chance of winning? Why wasn't Russell able to be objective about his health and admit that he wasn't able to perform? Did we sacrifice our season just to satisfy our starting quarterback's ego?

Maybe it's true and maybe it's not, but it is a legitimate question.

[c_hawkbob]

It does look like Russell's finger is healing... pretty much the length of time the doctors first predicted he should be out. And does it really matter to the greater scheme of things if we are 4-8 or 3-9? I think giving the players the psychological bounce of life is the better choice and so was the fake punt... Homer again!

That's an excellent point about the prognosis on Russ' finger, and if his doctors are right, then Russ' improved throws on Sunday make a lot of sense.

Of course, that raises a thorny question: Did Russell's starting against the Packers and Cards give us the best chance of winning? Why wasn't Russell able to be objective about his health and admit that he wasn't able to perform? Did we sacrifice our season just to satisfy our starting quarterback's ego?

Maybe it's true and maybe it's not, but it is a legitimate question.

That's not "a" question it's 3 distinct questions.

The answer to the first I'd say is a definite maybe, but I certainly wasn't getting a warm fuzzy about the chances of success our backup was giving us.

As for the second, that's not Russell's job. We have a Head Coach and medical staff responsible for that call. Russ' responsibility is to play when they determine him to be available.

The third is unanswerable except with another definite maybe. First of all we don't know the season to be irretrievably sacrificed and secondly having sat him these last couple games doesn't bring any certainty at all to our chances of having won them. I will say that tending to your franchise QB's ego is a legitimate concern, though more so when he is young, I don't believe it to have been a consideration in this case. Playing the way he did was a worse blow to his ego than having sat a couple more games would have been.

[RiverDog]

Of course, that raises a thorny question: Did Russell's starting against the Packers and Cards give us the best chance of winning? Why wasn't Russell able to be objective about his health and admit that he wasn't able to perform? Did we sacrifice our season just to satisfy our starting quarterback's ego?

Maybe it's true and maybe it's not, but it is a legitimate question.

That's not "a" question it's 3 distinct questions.

The answer to the first I'd say is a definite maybe, but I certainly wasn't getting a warm fuzzy about the chances of success our backup was giving us.

As for the second, that's not Russell's job. We have a Head Coach and medical staff responsible for that call. Russ' responsibility is to play when they determine him to be available.

The third is unanswerable except with another definite maybe. First of all we don't know the season to be irretrievably sacrificed and secondly having sat him these last couple games doesn't bring any certainty at all to our chances of having won them. I will say that tending to your franchise QB's ego is a legitimate concern, though more so when he is young, I don't believe it to have been a consideration in this case. Playing the way he did was a worse blow to his ego than having sat a couple more games would have been.

I mostly agree, except for the underlined.

Both the coach and the medical staff will rely on the player to give them an honest assessment before making a decision on an injury. Hell, all doctors will ask you to describe your pain level for them as it's not something that they can easily detect. Pete and the medical staff may not have been able to tell if Russell's finger was bothering him as it may not have revealed itself in practice, that Russell could tell it was affecting his accuracy/velocity but lied to the coaches about it. It's not like a sprained ankle where a coach can see a player limping or not able to run as fast.

And as far as it 'not being his job', Russell has set himself up as a pseudo coach, so IMO it is part of his job. Heck, he's been lobbying for the more input in the direction of the franchise for the past couple years and even you said that he should have his input on the hiring of a new coach if Pete gets fired. As we all like to say from time to time, it's Russell's team.

As touchy as the relationship between Russell and Pete reportedly is, it is plausible to think that Pete, or for that matter a number of other coaches with an ego driven franchise quarterback...like Matt LeFleur in Green Bay, for example... that he may have chosen the path of least resistance so as not to piss off Russell and cause an even deeper rift. IMO that's why LeFleur didn't confront Rodgers when he was violating the Covid protocols. It's quite possible that Pete is afraid of upsetting Russell even to the point of making a decision that he knows it will hurt our chances of winning.

Like I said, I'm not claiming to know the answers to those questions, but if Russell truly wasn't able to perform to where his playing gave us the best chance of winning, one or both of them should have known about it and not carried out the sham for two weeks until he was healthy.

[NorthHawk]

I still think it was mostly rust. Without a good grip the ball will look like Joe Kapp threw it, but he had a tight spiral on his throws
If you look at his misses there was a lot of missed timing passes and his feet weren't in the right position on some of the throws.
Like I said in another post it's the first time Russ had ever missed any game all the way back to High School so to me that means
he didn't really know how to handle it and it took a few games to get back into the rhythm of the game.

[Hawktawk]

Well I guess if C Hawk Bob wasn’t feeling the “ warm and fuzzy “ about the backup he must have felt great about the goose egg the little emperor put up after forcing his way back on the field a month early .

Geno didn’t have success in the win column but he gave us a chance every game and was our only chance in the critical Rams game Russ had produced 7 points in 3 quarters along with 15 total yards in the third quarter before being hurt .

Russ had played one complete game all year, Indy after sh#++ing the bed in the playoffs so I didn’t feel warm and fuzzy about him healthy . Russ forced his way on the field and his inaccuracy and indecision doomed the season most likely .


It’s not a coincidence his accuracy is improving now but re watching the game he still had obvious misses where the ball came out of his hand funny .

The last time we saw Geno he was flawless and if you think his play was lousy you weren’t paying attention. He gave a lousy team a chance . Yeah it was the jags . Blah blah blah . Russ should have stayed on IR through GB then been available to back up if Geno struggled at least the next week . But PC is a wimp
He will not stand up to Russ . It’s why I’m ready to ship them both off . Should a new coach be saddled with a petulant diva who decides on his own status, whines about getting hit ?

[c_hawkbob]

You know you can talk to me instead of about me Hawktawk.

Your Geno worship still blows me away. He's an average at best NFL backup.

[RiverDog]

Your Geno worship still blows me away. He's an average at best NFL backup.

I'm afraid I'm with Cbob, Hawktalk. You have an obvious obsession about Geno. Backups win a little over 30% of the games they start, which is exactly what Geno did in his 3 starts. He's no more than an average backup.

No offense and don't take this the wrong way, but you do this every now and then where a QB strikes your fantasy zone where you are blinded and don't see things that the rest of us do. You did it with Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel.

[Hawktawk]

You know you can talk to me instead of about me Hawktawk.

Your Geno worship still blows me away. He's an average at best NFL backup.

I was on my phone very clueless how to cut and paste and delete and make it work. I get it. I hate people talking about me second hands.

Pointing out Geno played well and had earned the trust of the coach to start another game for Russ in his only real action in 5 years isn't worship. How average was taking over on the 2 versus a team in the Rams that OWNS RUSS EVERY TIME it seems and driving them for a TD including a perfect 20 yard dime to DK for a score? I heard announcers call the drive "surgical" He threw 4 of DKs 8 TD passes in 3 starts and the 4th quarter Rams where he had taken over a game that was DOA and Geno came in and put up 10 points and 140 passing yards in the 4th and had the ball for a chance to win till Lockette slipped.

2 turnovers total during his playing time including that fluke pick in relief and a strip by Watt to end the Steelers game in overtime in Heinz field. He was sacked 5 times by Watt in the game.. had a couple of other passes tipped by watt in a 72% completion 99.6 QBR performance, knocked to the ground, laid out throwing passes. Still Carroll passed up mid 50 FG attempts twice and punted both times including our first possession.

Still, Geno completed passes to a remarkable TEN players in the game despite being hit and sacked all night and threw a TD pass which he did in every appearance. Saints was an ugly game in a monsoon and his worst game but he still drove them into field goal range twice with a chance to win the game and the kicker failed.

And yep its the Jags and Ill puke if I hear it again but It was a spotless razor sharp performance by Geno, force feeding DK and Lockette, putting up 2 passing TDs to DK and one more on the ground. 128 passer rating , 209 yards 80% completion For his stint he threw for 700 yards, 5 TDs and a Rush TD, 1 fluke pick and a strip sack by TJ Watt after the guy had hit him 10 times. Passer rating of 102, 20 PPG

The guys calling the Jags game referred to him as a "starter grade backup" I'm not sure about that, Id have had to see more and we should have Bob based on the obvious inability of Russ to hand off right handed or go under center or throw the ball.
I was a fan of Geno starting 2 more games at least yes. I want to win. Hes clearly not the immature turnover machine he was in NY and just his performance against the Rams alone tells me Geno has been doing his job studying film every day on a team the starter never went down on before. If you big Seahawks fans dont want to give a shout out to a guy who came in and did his job actually pretty well Ill do it for you. He can be on my roster. If Russ is gone Id give him a shot to compete in an open competition with whoever is in camp.

Bob your the one worshiping a QB. Its admirable and how you've always been that guy in my memory. You hung on to SA, Hass.

I look at Russ and see amazing memories but the reality he is, to modify what Steinbrenner used to say about Winfield. "Hes mister August". Russ is (usually) September through Dec but when the new year hits the clock strikes midnight every year since 2014. Now we are far worse than that. How much is it worth to try to salvage that same result or is it better to start over? I knew Russ wasn't ready when he said he was one day after Pete had said it would be "real close" like the Tuesday before the game. I know from my own orthopedic surgeon the pin was pulled 3 weeks early. It hacks me off frankly as a fan. Ill say it one more time . Russ didn't want to see another game of Geno..... but would have been the smarter move for the FO and PC to make but they blundered like they do these days. Like Geno tweeted after the game "id like to vent but its not safe". It was quickly removed but I had no problems venting. Russ is selfish now.