Rodgers out with the Rona

[c_hawkbob]

I guess I'm just less tolerant of vaccine hesitancy than you are. I don't feel the need to hold anybody's hand and walk them through the reasons and the science of a community (even a global community) needing to cowboy up and do their part to help protect everyone rather than crying about their own individual insecurities. There have always been anti vaxxers, but until the notion became a political football they weren't the danger to society as a whole that they have become now.

[Hawktawk]

A good portion of those refusing vaccines are purely politically motivated . I’d bet a solid majority supported Trump and feel the pandemic cost him the election . They refuse to do anything Inslee , Biden , Fauci tell them to . One only need look at police who are resistant at around 30% depending on the location even though far more cops have died from the virus than on the job . As aside note my employee Paul who sat by me is retired MLPD. I’ve listened to him describe this as a flu since it started . He was my source for my breakthrough infection . I learned today he’s been hospitalized for 3 days with low oxygen on a respirator . He’s been symptomatic for 11 days now and is still very ill obviously. I have numerous co morbidities and had almost zero symptoms . He’s in great shape , my age , doesn’t drink or smoke .
There is no excuse but stupidity not to protect yourself and do the only proactive thing you can to fight this menace.

[I-5]

Rodgers said today that he is taking Ivermectin, which he learned about through Joe Rogan's podcasts....Seriously?!

And here I thought he was one of the smarter players in the league.

[Aseahawkfan]

epending on the vaccine they give a higher initial degree of protection than the normal flu shot. Studies prove the efficacy wanes sharply by 6 months as far as preventing infection but is effective at preventing severe disease much longer. around 90% of serious illnesses and deaths in this current wave are unvaxxed. This is hundreds of thousands of preventable american deaths and millions workldwide.An infected person can expect around 6 months of improved immunized response as well. But clearly there is no 100% magic bullet to stop infection. There is clearly a great medical benefit to the shot and everyone should be taking it along with whatever boosters are necessary and I'm all for whatever mandates, social shunning etc is necessary to bring people into compliance. Because you can talk all you want about this being over but until it stops disrupting economies and washing though the populations its not over and won't ever be normal.

I will also say IMO had I not been seated for 2 hours directly next to an unvaccinated coronavirus positive man who I later learned had left his wife home from the employee party hacking up a storm because she had "bronchitis" because they dont believe in coronavirus as a serious disease I wouldnt have had a breakthrough. I did get a call form the health district enquiring where I might have gotten this infection and I said Chicos. The lady told me she had ordered out for chico's for halloween and the kids had been disappointed not to be able to go to the restaurant and play the video games etc and she told me NO WAY SHE IS GOING INSIDE ANYWHERE SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO AND CERTAINLY NOT A RESTAURANT. That's the real time opinion of someone who's dealing with this disease and monitoring it in grant co on a daily basis.

Going forward if all the anti vax crowd that survives infection refuses to get vaxxed on a regulars basis guess what? Every six months we do it again. For now vaccines and the new oral medication unveiled in the UK are the lifeboat. When a little under half the world population wont get in the boat it will sink us all.

Thanks for telling me something I already know. I've watched hours of videos and read dozens of articles and studies. And I mean actual studies where I get to look at the scientific evidence and how the study was structured and conducted. I'm well aware of what they do and how they work.

They're very effective, just not for total eradication or immunity. Which once you read what they said initially, they did not claim immunity. The vaccine designers pretty much said we don't know if this will prevent you from getting COVID, but we are very sure it will prevent 90 percent plus for the better vaccines from getting seriously sick from COVID. The vaccines are working in line with their statements.

Apparently Pfizer is releasing a pill that will reduce hospitalization by 89% which they have proven in a clinical trial. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-says-antiviral-pill-cuts-risk-severe-covid-19-by-89-2021-11-05/

It should work even to reduce hospitalization whether your vaccinated or unvaccinated.

Pfizer just made 34 billion dollars on vaccines. Their stock is shooting up big. It looks like that number is going to get even bigger with the release of this pill.

[Aseahawkfan]

The end point or goal was never a problem. They were pretty clearly spelled out as "herd immunity" and 85% vaccination rate.

The problem is the direction given to reach those ends. They don't want to have to think anymore about it one directions are given. The problem with science is that the directions change as data is gathered and conditions (like virus variants) change. Especially if you've got half of the government deriding the other half and shouting "which is it? Masks or no masks? Social distancing or not? How come we have to do both if either work?" And "If the vaccination works why do we have to do any of it?" and 'Oh yeah, what about MY rights?!"

That's why we have not been able to defeat this virus.

It was too early to tell if we could eradicate it anyway. Science is a process. Everyone was making way too many predictions way too early given the way science works. That is why I don't hop on the hate Fauci wagon or any of that garbage. Fauci is a scientist. He can't give information that isn't available and that takes time to determine. Humans like simple and absolute answers, but that isn't how science works. So not sure why some of these clowns are expecting hard answers when most of this was an unknown until we had more data. Some clowns like Rand Paul want to make a name in that community by hammering on Fauci who is a scientist doing his job while being the mouthpiece for politicians, a notoriously fickle and idiotic group of people who get votes telling people what they want to hear.

Viruses mutate. A Coronavirus is also associated with colds. We haven't been able to eradicate colds because they mutate too quickly. Same with the flu. So there was no way to know if we could eradicate or not. It's looking more like not, but we'll see as we still have a ways to go determine that for sure. More information and treatments are still being produced worldwide.

At the very least we clearly have this under control enough to operate closer to normal and getting more and more normal as time goes on, at least in America. We are fine at this point and know how to move forward living with the coronavirus.

[RiverDog]

Rodgers said today that he is taking Ivermectin, which he learned about through Joe Rogan's podcasts....Seriously?!

And here I thought he was one of the smarter players in the league.

Not only that, he's making some outlandish claims, including repeating a debunked myth that the vaccines could affect fertility and claiming that he got conflicting advice from NFL doctors, that one of them told him that "it was impossible for a vaccinated person to get COVID or spread COVID." He also claims that he's allergic to the mRNA vaccines and the J&J vaccines yet he doesn't say why he didn't apply for a medical exemption.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/aa ... y-n1283363

Odd that he has concerns about the vaccines creating fertility problems yet he doesn't mind taking a drug that's used to de-worm animals.

Rodgers has lost all credibility and has done permanent damage to his marketability as a spokesman. Here you have an anti vaxxer trying to sell insurance that protects families and whose motto is "like a good neighbor" but he doesn't want to take a vaccine of which the primary objective is protecting others. I suspect that's one of the reasons why he lied about being vaccinated, that if it became known that he's an anti vaxxer, that he'd lose endorsements.

[I-5]

Here you have an anti vaxxer trying to sell insurance that protects families and whose motto is "like a good neighbor" but he doesn't want to take a vaccine of which the primary objective is protecting others. I suspect that's one of the reasons why he lied about being vaccinated, that if it became known that he's an anti vaxxer, that he'd lose endorsements.

Good point. He's nuclear right now, if I was State Farm I would cut ties asap.

[RiverDog]

Good point. He's (Rodgers)nuclear right now, if I was State Farm I would cut ties asap.

Yup. He'd peg a Geiger counter. Reports are that Rodgers is "furious" because his vaccination status was revealed, and the reason why he's so pissed is that he knows that it will kill him as a pitchman.

Rodgers is blaming everybody that comes within shouting distance of him for his predicament, which gives me even more reason to lose whatever respect I had for him. He can't honestly think that once he tested positive that people could easily put 2 and 2 together and figure out that he's not vaccinated. The minute they said that he was out 10 days told us that.

[Hawktawk]

His spiel today was laughable . “Woke mob” I’ll never get a guy who takes blindside hits from defenders to the point of concussion , has suffered numerous injuries won’t take the jab out of fear of what exactly ? He’s a Trumpanzee on steroids . The sub cult of the cult

[RiverDog]

The question now becomes what kind of discipline will be handed down. The Packers obviously knew that Rodgers wasn't vaccinated and if they were following the NFL's protocol, would have known that he had violated the rules by giving multiple news conferences w/o a mask. The Packers made other unvaccinated players give their pressers remotely via Zoom, so it is blatantly obviously that they were treating Rodgers differently, perhaps at his request so as not to reveal his vaccination status. Even though the protocols, negotiated with the player's union, say that they can punish violators by suspending them for as long as 4 weeks, word is that Rodgers will get off the hook by paying a 5 digit fine.

But disciplining the Packers presents a thorny problem for the league. Rodgers applied for an exemption and was denied, so that right there should have raised a flag in the league office. He's arguably the highest profile player in the league so when it became known that he wasn't complying with the protocols for unvaccinated players, it should have prompted a phone call. It's a little of the pot calling the kettle black to penalize the team for not taking action while the league was acting like the piano player in the whorehouse.

The other problem for the league is that the Packers are the only team in the league without a majority owner. They are owned by thousands of stock holding fans, so if you fine the Packers, you are essentially fining the fans. Add to that the fact that the Packers have one of the largest and most dedicated fan bases in the league and it will be a huge PR problem for them if they come down hard on them and do something like make them forfeit draft choices.

My guess is that the league will go easy on both Rodgers and the Packers and try to sweep this under the carpet, but I don't think it's going to go away that easily. IMO the issue will hang over the heads of all involved for the rest of the season.

[RiverDog]

His spiel today was laughable . “Woke mob” I’ll never get a guy who takes blindside hits from defenders to the point of concussion , has suffered numerous injuries won’t take the jab out of fear of what exactly ?

Yeah, I saw that. What an embarrassment! A middle age white guy worth $120 million and playing a game at a position that millions would give up their first born to be in is playing the victim card.

Rodgers admits to taking ivermectin, a pet medicine used to de-worm animals and denounced by multiple health agencies as a Covid treatment with over 1800 cases of poisoning reported this year yet he doesn't want to put a vaccine approved by the FDA and scores of other regulatory agencies from around the world with hundreds of millions of doses administered and that has received more scrutiny than any other in the history of modern medicine into his body. It's simply mind boggling what a supposedly intelligent person like Rodgers can talk themselves into believing.

This was the worst week for an NFL player's reputation since Michael Vick and his dog fighting ring was exposed. Rodgers has revealed himself to the public as a true nut job. I wonder how long it will take State Farm Insurance to drop him as their spokesman.

[Hawktawk]

Yeah he’s a horse dewormer nut case . When they will take horse de wormer but not the vax there’s only so much Biden can do ya know . Total Trumpanzee. This is a substance I’ve read accounts of nurses in north Idaho being threatened with bodily harm if they don’t treat their dying idiot unvaxed loved one with this substance . I’ll tell you what the right can fly around pointing fingers at the lunatic fringe on the left but they need to look in the mirror too.

[NorthHawk]

The problem with Rodgers is he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and now he got caught having done something stupid.
It makes him look like a total ass.

[Hawktawk]

The problem with Rodgers is he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and now he got caught having done something stupid.
It makes him look like a total ass.

Completely

[RiverDog]

The problem with Rodgers is he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and now he got caught having done something stupid.
It makes him look like a total ass.

Yeah, and just like they do with politicians, they're running fact checks on his statements and have discovered 6 claims that he made that are false or misleading. As my dad used to say: It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." I can't think of a better application of that saying than what Aaron Rodgers has been doing to himself this past week.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 301654001/

He's also taken a number of shots at the NFL, not a good idea as they have yet to decide on discipline. The league could view his statements of defiance as requiring a stiffer penalty in order to send him a strong message and let him and others that may feel compelled to challenge their authority know that they mean business.

[Hawktawk]

Those are some whoppers for sure . But I just read an official statement from the NFL regarding Rodgers claim he had discussed his alternative treatment with NFL experts . They said he never contacted them at all regarding this and had he they would have given him far different information than his fantasy conference . So another flat out lie this time about the league . This guy is as remorseless a liar as his favorite politician . I don’t believe he has any allergies to vaccines at this point either. What a self inflicted character assassination . I’ve seen fools like Rolovich at WSU die on a useless hill to the tune of a 3 million paycheck but this one takes the cake .

[RiverDog]

Those are some whoppers for sure . But I just read an official statement from the NFL regarding Rodgers claim he had discussed his alternative treatment with NFL experts . They said he never contacted them at all regarding this and had he they would have given him far different information than his fantasy conference . So another flat out lie this time about the league . This guy is as remorseless a liar as his favorite politician . I don’t believe he has any allergies to vaccines at this point either. What a self inflicted character assassination . I’ve seen fools like Rolovich at WSU die on a useless hill to the tune of a 3 million paycheck but this one takes the cake .

He also claims that an NFL physician told him that vaccinated people can't catch or transmit Covid. There's no way that anyone with just a basic understanding of the vaccines, let alone an MD hired to counsel players, is going to tell him that. Indeed, the league responded by saying that not only was that never told to Rodgers, that the league didn't even talk to him: No doctor from the league or the joint NFL-NFLPA infectious disease consultants communicated with the player.” He's also commented on the dangers of CO2 poisoning while working out with a mask on, claims that there are fertility issues with the vaccines, alleges that he has an allergy to the vaccines yet doesn't identify which component he's allergic to. The man is a lying SOS that has gone completely off the rails.

This is the same Aaron Rodgers that was deemed so heady that someone at NBC felt he was qualified to host "Jeopardy!"

[NorthHawk]

His “Research” included getting advice from that noted medical scholar Joe Rogan before deciding
on taking Ivermectin.

It also seems to me that the NFL is in a small way complicit in this as they knew he wasn’t vaccinated
and therefore it wouldn’t surprise me if the imposed penalty wasn’t as severe as we would think.

[RiverDog]

His “Research” included getting advice from that noted medical scholar Joe Rogan before deciding
on taking Ivermectin.

It also seems to me that the NFL is in a small way complicit in this as they knew he wasn’t vaccinated
and therefore it wouldn’t surprise me if the imposed penalty wasn’t as severe as we would think.

It's not certain that the league knew Rodgers was unvaccinated. They knew that he had applied for an exemption and that it was denied but there's no requirement for the teams to report each individual player's status. Rodgers said that he had been "immunized" and made comments that would lead one to believe that he was vaccinated, so it's reasonable to believe that the league could have taken him for his word and assumed that he had gone ahead and gotten the jab after his exemption was denied.

However, being that Rodgers is one of if not the most recognizable player in the league, when they saw him giving press conferences w/o a mask, it would have been appropriate for someone at the league office to have made a call to the Packers and checked on his status. I'd like to hear the league explain why they didn't ask questions considering the high profile of the player involved.

And I agree with you that for the reason you mentioned, the league is probably going to go light on both Rodgers and the Packers. I don't think that they want the focus to be on this subject in the middle of the football season and would rather sweep it under the carpet, at least for now.

[I-5]

If it turns out the league DIDN’T know about his vax status, then they can really go after him.

As far as the league taking it easy on the team at the risk of alienating their huge fan base, I wouldn’t assume that they’re all behind Rodgers on this. Looks like an even split to me from online comments. Many Packer fans are just as disgusted by it. How did he fool us for so long? Turns out he’s a total whack job.

[RiverDog]

If it turns out the league DIDN’T know about his vax status, then they can really go after him.

As far as the league taking it easy on the team at the risk of alienating their huge fan base, I wouldn’t assume that they’re all behind Rodgers on this. Looks like an even split to me from online comments. Many Packer fans are just as disgusted by it. How did he fool us for so long? Turns out he’s a total whack job.

It's not just that the Packers have a large, dedicated fan base. It's their ownership. They are owned by the fans, so any fine against the team is going to be paid by the fans. If they want to go after those responsible, then dock them a draft choice or chop $25M off their salary cap.

If the league genuinely didn't know about Rodgers' vaccination status, it's almost as bad as if they did and ignored his violations. Rodgers is arguably the most recognizable player in the league, and they knew that he applied for an exemption, had it denied, then seen him maskless in press conferences, an alarm bell should have gone off somewhere in the league office.

Rodgers name is $hit, and your observation with the Cheeseheads is only part of the fallout. Prevea Health in Wisconsin announced that they are ending their partnership with Rodgers:

Prevea Health announced Saturday that it would be no longer continue its partnership with Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

According a statement from the company, Rodgers has been a partner of Prevea Health since 2012 and has acted as a spokesperson and supported the organization's initiatives throughout Wisconsin.

"Prevea Health remains deeply committed to protecting its patients, staff, providers and communities amidst the COVID-19 pandemic. This includes encouraging and helping all eligible populations to become vaccinated against COVID-19 to prevent the virus from further significantly impacting lives and livelihoods," the statement said.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 319228001/

I'll bet anyone a cold beer that we've seen the last of the Discount Double Check commercials.

[NorthHawk]

I thought we saw the last of the discount doublecheck commercials a few years ago.
Now it's the Jake from State Farm commercials that are monotonous.

For some reason I thought the teams had to tell the NFL the players vaccination status.
It's the only way it would work regarding complying with NFL regulations. How else could the NFL monitor and penalize players/personnel on the
sidelines if they didn't know of their vaccination status? For something so seemingly important to the NFL (as shown by their protocols) it would
be strange to rely solely on the teams to self report any violations.
That's why I thought the NFL would have known (along with his exemption request) all about Rodgers vaccination status and would be considered
complicit in allowing him to act as he did on the sidelines and in meetings/interviews.

[Hawktawk]

I’ve read this AM that the league does in fact have records of every single players vaccination status . Rodgers will not be suspended no matter what as it is not allowable for Covid violations per the CBA. Minus symptoms we will see an extremely P1sst off Rodgers . How that affects his performance will be interesting . The coach is furious about the distraction . It will be real interesting how their game goes with KC today

[RiverDog]

For some reason I thought the teams had to tell the NFL the players vaccination status. It's the only way it would work regarding complying with NFL regulations. How else could the NFL monitor and penalize players/personnel on the sidelines if they didn't know of their vaccination status? For something so seemingly important to the NFL (as shown by their protocols) it would be strange to solely on the teams to self report any violations.

That's why I thought the NFL would have known (along with his exemption request) all about Rodgers vaccination status and would be considered
complicit in allowing him to act as he did on the sidelines and in meetings/interviews.

I would have thought they would have, too, but they depended on the teams to self regulate. But that's a pretty lame excuse when it comes to the most recognizable face in the league. Some authority denied Rodger's request, and whom ever that was, had to have known that there was a good chance that Rodgers didn't get the vaccine.

In addition to the press conferences, there's multiple videos of Rodgers boarding the team jet for road trips, and since unvaccinated players are supposed to travel separately, there's even more proof of Rodgers intentionally flaunting the protocols. In my mind, that should elevate the discipline, that it wasn't just a case of making a casual mistake like forgetting to put on a mask. Rodgers clearly knew that he wasn't supposed to travel with the team and should have booked his own flight.

[RiverDog]

I’ve read this AM that the league does in fact have records of every single players vaccination status . Rodgers will not be suspended no matter what as it is not allowable for Covid violations per the CBA. Minus symptoms we will see an extremely P1sst off Rodgers . How that affects his performance will be interesting . The coach is furious about the distraction . It will be real interesting how their game goes with KC today

Suspension IS allowable. From Page 87 paragraph E of the enforcement of protocols section in the 2021 regular season protocols that was agreed on with the NFLPA that speaks to enforcement:

Should a Club employee or other member of the Club’s staff knowingly and materially fail to follow these protocols, they will be subject to discipline for conduct detrimental to the league.

https://static.www.nfl.com/image/upload ... hi377l.pdf

That tosses it to the league's Personal Conduct Policy, of which suspension is most definitely an option.

And in the same agreement, there's this in Appendix A:

Repeat violations of the offenses listed above will subject players to increased discipline, including for conduct detrimental with a maximum fine amount equal to one week’s salary and/or suspension without pay for a period not to exceed four (4) weeks, as set forth in Article 42, Section 1(b)(xvii) of the March 15, 2020 Collective Bargaining Agreement

Since Rodgers has no prior violations that he was disciplined for, they probably wouldn't be able to consider him a repeat offender in Appendix A. But clearly, from the first paragraph I've noted, he "knowingly and materially failed to follow" the protocols, and there's plenty of evidence, both videos and his own public statements.

The league definitely has the authority to issue a suspension and make it stick if they choose to go that route. But they don't have the balls.

[Hawktawk]

Yeah it ain’t gonna happen . Hawks will be in mr Rodgers neibor hood . Let’s see if he’s a cockroach with a flashlight shining on him or the guy he’s always been that is motivated by negative press and controversy .

[RiverDog]

Yeah it ain’t gonna happen . Hawks will be in mr Rodgers neibor hood . Let’s see if he’s a cockroach with a flashlight shining on him or the guy he’s always been that is motivated by negative press and controversy .

Of course, he's not going to get suspended, but that wasn't my point. My point is that (1) Rodgers clearly and intentionally broke NFL protocols and there's plenty of evidence to prove it, including his own statements and (2) the NFL has the written authority via an agreement with the union to issue a suspension.

It's been a rough couple of weeks for the league, first with the Gruden emails and now with Rodgers incident. I have no doubt that they'll just slap him and the Packers on the wrists and hope that it all blows over.

[curmudgeon]

Two-tiered. Remind you of anything?……

[Hawktawk]

Don’t leave out the most horrific black eye for the league which was Ruggs killing that girl driving 156 mph. With all the social media surfacing of him drunk out rodding a 650 horsepower vette it’s hard to believe the team didn’t realize their star receiver was a disaster waiting to happen . Shades of Aaron Hernandez.Also point out it’s the second vehicle accident involving a raider and a Vegas resident , both the fault of the player obviously . Also a social media post by another raider posing with a gun and threatening a media critic . All that bothers me more than Rodgers and that bothers me quite a bit.

[RiverDog]

Don’t leave out the most horrific black eye for the league which was Ruggs killing that girl driving 156 mph. With all the social media surfacing of him drunk out rodding a 650 horsepower vette it’s hard to believe the team didn’t realize their star receiver was a disaster waiting to happen . Shades of Aaron Hernandez.Also point out it’s the second vehicle accident involving a raider and a Vegas resident , both the fault of the player obviously . Also a social media post by another raider posing with a gun and threatening a media critic . All that bothers me more than Rodgers and that bothers me quite a bit.

I haven't heard anything pertaining to the Ruggs accident regarding the Raider's culpability, but if you have something, please share it. Obviously it's a horrible tragedy that didn't have to happen and the loss of life outweighs anything Rodgers or Gruden have done, but I don't see the tie in with the team/league like we have with the two aforementioned subjects.

[Hawktawk]

He’s their employee . He was known to drive at well over 100 mph regularly on city streets and I’ve viewed several videos of him doing it courtesy of his girlfriend he’s now charged with seriously injuring . He drank something like 12 shots at top golf plus other mixed drinks . My thing is this . Most teams have a security detail that keeps tabs on players activities off the field . Were they unaware of Ruggs penchant for drinking and getting behind the wheel of a missile with 650 horsepower ? That’s all I want to know and if not why ? As I say it’s the second auto accident involving a raider in Vegas . The first was a hit and run in front of the team facility . And the guy brandishing a gun on social media . It just seems like the team is not in control of its players .

[Hawktawk]

As for Rodgers not entirely sure if this has been addressed but unvaxed pros are not allowed to travel with teammates to away games . Rodgers has been smiling maskless getting on and off planes all year .

[RiverDog]

He’s their employee . He was known to drive at well over 100 mph regularly on city streets and I’ve viewed several videos of him doing it courtesy of his girlfriend he’s now charged with seriously injuring . He drank something like 12 shots at top golf plus other mixed drinks . My thing is this . Most teams have a security detail that keeps tabs on players activities off the field . Were they unaware of Ruggs penchant for drinking and getting behind the wheel of a missile with 650 horsepower ? That’s all I want to know and if not why ? As I say it’s the second auto accident involving a raider in Vegas . The first was a hit and run in front of the team facility . And the guy brandishing a gun on social media . It just seems like the team is not in control of its players .

So what were the Raiders supposed to do? They're not nannies and they're not law enforcement.

[RiverDog]

As for Rodgers not entirely sure if this has been addressed but unvaxed pros are not allowed to travel with teammates to away games . Rodgers has been smiling maskless getting on and off planes all year .

That's what I was referring to when I said that the league has plenty of evidence that Rodgers was intentionally violating the protocols and have plenty of justification for suspending him.

[Hawktawk]

So what were the Raiders supposed to do? They're not nannies and they're not law enforcement.

They have clauses in most every contract prohibiting players from doing things that endanger themselves or others . Did they know or not ? Did they attempt to counsel their first rounder and leading receiver . It’s not near as bad as Hernandez which is one of the greatest buried NFL scandals of all time . But did the team ever attempt to councel Ruggs ? It’s clearly a black eye for the franchise and the league .

[RiverDog]

So what were the Raiders supposed to do? They're not nannies and they're not law enforcement.

They have clauses in most every contract prohibiting players from doing things that endanger themselves or others . Did they know or not ? Did they attempt to counsel their first rounder and leading receiver . It’s not near as bad as Hernandez which is one of the greatest buried NFL scandals of all time . But did the team ever attempt to councel Ruggs ? It’s clearly a black eye for the franchise and the league .

Well, the Raiders do wear an eye patch, so they must already have a black eye. But seriously, I don't know, and neither do you, whether or not any effort was made by the Raiders to curb his destructive behavior. I would imagine that law enforcement will be investigating to what extent the Raiders might have tried to intervene as there will be a rather lengthy trial.

Certainly since the event was so tragic and preventable that it warrants some inflection to see if there wasn't something that couldn't have been done that might have prevented this accident. However, unless something else arises that indicates some sort of gross negligence on the part of the Raiders other than the information we'e been privy to, all we're doing is engaging in 20/20 hindsight.

[Hawktawk]

I completely agree. But when a young man destroys his life and many others doing something that video evidence shows was very common for him a bit of hindsight is 20-20. Honestly thinking back it’s a damn good thing I didn’t have millions of dollars as a young man because I liked fast cars and beer quite a bit too . It’s a horrible preventable tragedy is what it is .

[RiverDog]

I completely agree. But when a young man destroys his life and many others doing something that video evidence shows was very common for him a bit of hindsight is 20-20. Honestly thinking back it’s a damn good thing I didn’t have millions of dollars as a young man because I liked fast cars and beer quite a bit too . It’s a horrible preventable tragedy is what it is .

Agreed, I just don't see any evidence that the Raiders could have foreseen this accident and where they could have intervened. Perhaps some will surface during the investigation, but as of today, I don't see it.

You're going through the same process that many of us, and perhaps yourself as well, have gone through when a tragedy occurred. I've had two co-workers and close friends that committed suicide. It wasn't until after they were gone that I recognized the warning signs. For years, I had nightmares wondering what might have happened had I saw what should have been blatantly obvious and intervened.

You're doing the same thing with regard to Ruggs and the unfortunate victims of that accident. It's easy to see the warning signs now.

[Hawktawk]

And Rodgers escapes with less a fine than CeeDee Lamb for uniform violations untucking his shirt . I’m kind of mystified even in a league run by an incompetent fart in the wind known as Goody Two Shoes Goodell. Beam me up . Is the league sending a signal to teams they really don’t care anymore ? Bizarre sequence of events .

[obiken]

And Rodgers escapes with less a fine than CeeDee Lamb for uniform violations untucking his shirt . I’m kind of mystified even in a league run by an incompetent fart in the wind known as Goody Two Shoes Goodell. Beam me up . Is the league sending a signal to teams they really don’t care anymore ? Bizarre sequence of events .

Yeah I agree, its a double down on the old double standard. A marginal player would have gotten hammered. Either you have COVID protocols, or you dont. I cannot stand Goodell, some people like him.