Giants

[obiken]

When you can't block you cannot do anything! Our Oline got pushed around for 4 quarters, that is NOT going to go away, period.

[mykc14]

When you can't block you cannot do anything! Our Oline got pushed around for 4 quarters, that is NOT going to go away, period.

I know you keep coming back to that Obi, but RW held onto the ball for a long time. It's not like he was instantly pressured. I would imagine his most devastating sacks came off of situations in which he was holding the ball. I agree we were blown up on some running plays, but overall Carson looked pretty good. He averaged 5 ypc.

[RiverDog]

When you can't block you cannot do anything! Our Oline got pushed around for 4 quarters, that is NOT going to go away, period.

I know you keep coming back to that Obi, but RW held onto the ball for a long time. It's not like he was instantly pressured. I would imagine his most devastating sacks came off of situations in which he was holding the ball. I agree we were blown up on some running plays, but overall Carson looked pretty good. He averaged 5 ypc.

Obi, sometimes I seriously wonder which game you were watching. The OL did not get "pushed around for 4 quarters". If what you are saying was true, Chris Carson would not have averaged 5 yards per carry. They obviously didn't dominate and there were times we had some breakdowns in protection, but they are not the unit that lost us the game, especially when you consider how out of balance our run/pass ratio was and how long Russell was taking to get rid of the ball.

Do you remember how we both used to harp on Ifedi being a penalty machine? Go back and count how many penalties our OL has drawn this season.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/team/seatt ... ew=players

[Hawktawk]

Obi, sometimes I seriously wonder which game you were watching. The OL did not get "pushed around for 4 quarters". If what you are saying was true, Chris Carson would not have averaged 5 yards per carry. They obviously didn't dominate and there were times we had some breakdowns in protection, but they are not the unit that lost us the game, especially when you consider how out of balance our run/pass ratio was and how long Russell was taking to get rid of the ball.

Do you remember how we both used to harp on Ifedi being a penalty machine? Go back and count how many penalties our OL has drawn this season.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/team/seatt ... ew=players

Its far from the worst line and even in our super bowl winning year we had multiple starters out much of the season and went 13-3. I place the games weve lost more on Russ than anyone else.I also mostly credit him for at least 6 of the 8 wins.

Every line breaks down a few times a game and that's when the QB has to be a ninja or throw the GD thing away which Russ has forgotten how to do. I thought he got screwed on their IG call, looked like DK ran the wrong route but there were so many other times he should have lived to play another down instead of taking the dreadfully long sacks. I dont know if he was checking out of a lot of runs like Manning and Marino used to do? why you dont use a weapon like Carson is beyond me unless he was on a pitch count. Him being out and Hyde being in made it no coincidence we stalled on the first drive IMO. Gotta figure it out. Gotta get our swag back starting with #3

[Aseahawkfan]

Just as this isn't a Pete Ball top 10 defense, it's not a Pete Ball offense, either. We are a pass first, quick strike offense that features the best deep ball quarterback in the league pitching to 6'4" WR that has top end speed. We don't need a top 10 defense to win. If we keep our opponents under 20 PPG, we should win 80% of our games.

Having said that, we did get out of balance Sunday. A pass first, quick strike offense doesn't necessarily mean throwing the ball on 3 out of 4 plays in a low scoring contest.

This year a top 10 defense is under 20 points a game. In fact the past 5 years a top 10 defense is under 20 points a game. Rules have changed. Offenses are putting up more points.

We're still a ball control offense. Pete put the handcuffs back on Russ because he started turning the ball over like he was a bank clerk getting robbed at gunpoint.

[RiverDog]

Just as this isn't a Pete Ball top 10 defense, it's not a Pete Ball offense, either. We are a pass first, quick strike offense that features the best deep ball quarterback in the league pitching to 6'4" WR that has top end speed. We don't need a top 10 defense to win. If we keep our opponents under 20 PPG, we should win 80% of our games.

Having said that, we did get out of balance Sunday. A pass first, quick strike offense doesn't necessarily mean throwing the ball on 3 out of 4 plays in a low scoring contest.

This year a top 10 defense is under 20 points a game. In fact the past 5 years a top 10 defense is under 20 points a game. Rules have changed. Offenses are putting up more points.

We're still a ball control offense. Pete put the handcuffs back on Russ because he started turning the ball over like he was a bank clerk getting robbed at gunpoint.

Pete didn't have the cuffs on Russell last Sunday in a low scoring game where we pass the ball twice as often as we run it.

[TriCitySam]

We're 7th in YPC and 13th in total rushing (despite not running much the first 5 games), so I would say our OL as been above average in that regard. We've giving up third most sacks - not good, but part of that is RW holding the ball. So, I think the OL has played OK. Our offense works when you see the ball come out quick, if we're holding it - bad things happen. And holding it happens when RW locks on looking for someone to get open. Yeah, we gotta do that sometimes. But that's a low % deal. Take our shots deep, but maybe should have DK running more intermediate routes. And I have no stats to support this, but it just seems we're looking deep a lot.

[Aseahawkfan]

Pete didn't have the cuffs on Russell last Sunday in a low scoring game where we pass the ball twice as often as we run it.

Then Russ just isn't very good at this point in the season because it sure didn't amount to much.

[RiverDog]

Pete didn't have the cuffs on Russell last Sunday in a low scoring game where we pass the ball twice as often as we run it.

Then Russ just isn't very good at this point in the season because it sure didn't amount to much.

He's playing below his capabilities, that's for sure. But I still think that our scheme was more to blame last Sunday than was Russell. (Oh, crap, I'm sounding more like Anthony all the time!)

[Aseahawkfan]

He's playing below his capabilities, that's for sure. But I still think that our scheme was more to blame last Sunday than was Russell. (Oh, crap, I'm sounding more like Anthony all the time!)

I don't agree. This looks exactly the same as in the past when Russ throws a bunch of interceptions, then Pete puts the handcuffs on him, and Russ ends up being too careful and gun shy. I've seen this many times. Pete's fine and happy when the TDs are coming in droves. Soon as Russ has a bad series of turnover games, Pete gets stressed and wants the turnovers done. Pete is a huge turnover ratio coach. He believes the turnover ratio is one of the most important win-loss metrics. He despises turnovers, which is why he runs a ball control offense with a strong defense. It's what he considers ideal.

But the reality is you gotta take chances to score big even if your QB hits a slump with the turnovers. You have to let him throw. But Pete goes crazy with turnovers.

You can see it these last few games with the conservative game plan and Russ holding the ball again because he's not sure if it's going to be picked or not. The offense seems restrained now and that is usually an edict from Pete of the cut the turnovers.

I've watched this song and dance so many times with Russ that I expect it. Russ will get hot. We start throwing. He has some bad turnover games. Pete puts the clamps down. The offense stalls out. Same old story. Now we're suffering again because we don't have that top 10 defense Pete usually relies on to keep the points down.

[mykc14]

I've watched this song and dance so many times with Russ that I expect it. Russ will get hot. We start throwing. He has some bad turnover games. Pete puts the clamps down. The offense stalls out. Same old story. Now we're suffering again because we don't have that top 10 defense Pete usually relies on to keep the points down.

I do agree with this, but would also add that I think there are some scheme issues as well, but it's really hard to tell without watching the all-22 and knowing exactly what the play set-up is. I also agree with River in that based on the defense we were seeing Sunday we should have run the ball more and we are way too predictable with our tendencies. We run a little, have a quick rhythmic passing game when we are in our own territory and then we get to mid-field and BOOM play action pass, looking for a deep shot. Defenses have caught onto it and are expecting it, but it was especially damaging against the Giants due to how many yards we lost on those sacks, the intentional grounding, and DJ Dallas's -6 yard reception towards the end of the half. Our offense as soon as we got to mid-field was brutal...

[Hawktawk]

I do agree with this, but would also add that I think there are some scheme issues as well, but it's really hard to tell without watching the all-22 and knowing exactly what the play set-up is. I also agree with River in that based on the defense we were seeing Sunday we should have run the ball more and we are way too predictable with our tendencies. We run a little, have a quick rhythmic passing game when we are in our own territory and then we get to mid-field and BOOM play action pass, looking for a deep shot. Defenses have caught onto it and are expecting it, but it was especially damaging against the Giants due to how many yards we lost on those sacks, the intentional grounding, and DJ Dallas's -6 yard reception towards the end of the half. Our offense as soon as we got to mid-field was brutal...

Our backs were hurt. Heard Carson is not 100% so is on a pitch count and Hyde has a toe problem and was questionable going into the game. They better get Deejay some reps in practice. Sometimes a run is the best call even though it gets stuffed. The -6 pass to Dee Jay and all the huge sacks are a good example. Of course we dont want russ fumbling the snap when we do run either.

Guys gotta step up.

[mykc14]

With the Saints loss today the Giants loss really stings. I kw a lot can still happen but if everything falls the way it should we are probably looking at either winning the West and hosting the Bucs... then traveling to the Saints OR the #5 seed and going to the NnFC EAST winners (Washington) and then traveling to the Saints. Either way it looks like we are heading to NO if we win in the first round. Let’s just get hot and win out!!!